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Marth, Roy, Ness Deconfirmed?

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mezbomber

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User33 said:
People who say that this is proof they are out, are really grasping at straws. There is no concrete proof that anybody is out, and we should not take this as confirmation.
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yeah, take it as speculation. and anyone can make speculations. There's no wrong answers here. We might even start talking about our feelings.

off topic: I have a feeling that these boards are going to become nothing but a source of humor for the next two weeks.
 
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nah, i doubt its real, because ive seen those pictures, and all in a magazine at a store, and it just said "will they return..." it never really said that they wont, just a magazine asking what you thought.
 
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those guys that wrote this article may not know the roster, so they don't know if Marth and Roy are back...
 
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If this is true, Marth not returning will be a huge disappointment in the roster for Brawl. That is utter bull.

This is coming from someone who does not even main as Marth or use him often in Melee. Marth is, whether people like it or not, a face of the franchise. A memorable one at that; he's the one who began the Fire Emblem series, so he's the one that rightfully deserves to remain amongst the Nintendo All-Stars.

I'm not going to believe the word of some magazine that's cryptic until it's official word, official screenshots, inside scoop that pertains more to Brawl instead of merely looking back on Melee characters.

Marth not returning is a joke, in my opinion.

But if he doesn't come back, I'll live with it. It just wouldn't make sense though.
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I have to completely agree with this post, you idiots who say "Marth being the face of Fire Emblem doesn't mean anything" You guys are dead wrong, it means EVERYTHING! It's like saying "Mario isn't the face of the Mario series" The fact of the matter is, Marth is the only real representative of this series, HIS GAME OPENED AN ENTIRE NEW GAMING GENRE (Turned based tactics RPG) This character is much too important to not include.
Ness I can't say anything about considering there was a lot of preceeding evidence about him not being in.
Roy I also can't say since he is a clone, whether he'll be de-cloned and included or not is based on his popularity, which I know little about
 
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Why must we look so deeply into such cryptic information? :laugh: I've decided not to listen to this stuff, I've persuaded myself that we won't have many characters so I wouldn't be surrpised if they didn't return...
 
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Aww man. I liked Marth! :(

But seriously, I'm not counting anyone out until the official roster is revealed!

Except for Ness...
 
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Wow!

Why isn't this closed yet?

There is nothing to talk about anymore, the same thing is just being argued over and over and over again!

There won't even be an answer to any of these questions for anoother week and a half, so this should be locked...IMHO.
 
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Teeb147 said:
No, Brawl Central is just being stupid. It doesnt even say that they're out. **** Im starting to hate all this propaganda
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IMO, Brawl Central was always stupid...

They try to get popular by getting all the details first, but make noob mistakes cuz of it... and spread rumors that people go nuts over and spread even more and make people overreact...

Yea, I'm not a fan of that site at all...

Sorry if I offend anyway, I'm just stating my true feelings...

Peace...
 
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Okysho said:
I have to completely agree with this post, you idiots who say "Marth being the face of Fire Emblem doesn't mean anything" You guys are dead wrong, it means EVERYTHING! It's like saying "Mario isn't the face of the Mario series" The fact of the matter is, Marth is the only real representative of this series, HIS GAME OPENED AN ENTIRE NEW GAMING GENRE (Turned based tactics RPG) This character is much too important to not include.
Ness I can't say anything about considering there was a lot of preceeding evidence about him not being in.
Roy I also can't say since he is a clone, whether he'll be de-cloned and included or not is based on his popularity, which I know little about
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If your opinion was really true, SSB64 would have had Ninten, not Ness. Fire Emblem is a series with more new characters that come in and are developed as the games come out. I was expecting this even before Ike was announced. Look, if they intended to keep Marth, they wouldn't have given Ike two practically identical moves. (Same applies with the whole Ness-Lucas thing. Why the HELL would they give Lucas all of Ness' moves, and then give Ness a new moveset???).

Anyways, back to Marth. You can't comapre him to Mario because Mario is in EVERY Mario game, hence the name. The last time I checked, it wasn't called Marth Emblem. Predesessor indcates he is out. Epxect a Marth AT.
 
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The "until now" thing never made me think Ness was gone. Lucas using Ness' moveset is what made me believe he's gone. Ike's only similar move is his counter. Roy is probably gone but I still expect to see Ike return.
 
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Rhubarbo said:
Look, if they intended to keep Marth, they wouldn't have given Ike two practically identical moves.
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You can't be serious. One similar move (since Eruption is to Shield Breaker as Charge Shot is to Link's bow) = Marth replaced? ... wow, your logic is astounding. Especially given that Ike plays absolutely nothing like Marth.

(Same applies with the whole Ness-Lucas thing. Why the HELL would they give Lucas all of Ness' moves, and then give Ness a new moveset???).
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Not to argue Ness' chances, but exactly who said that Ness, if he returned, was going to have a new moveset? Sakurai never once said Brawl would be clone-and-semi-clone-free, after all. There's nothing dictating that Lucas can't be a Luigi-style version of Ness.

Anyways, back to Marth. You can't comapre him to Mario because Mario is in EVERY Mario game, hence the name. The last time I checked, it wasn't called Marth Emblem. Predesessor indcates he is out. Epxect a Marth AT.
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You're right, you can't compare Marth to Mario since the Mario series features a constant cast of characters. However, Marth is undeniably the face of Fire Emblem, which is the only reason he needs to come back. Expect Marth to return as a playable character and you to be completely wrong.
 
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This is basically exactly what happened to Ness, so if anyone is arguing Ness's deconfirmation and that this isn't evidence against Roy/Marth, they're stupid.

Moving on, I'm basically taking a neutral status on this, because neither side is particularly convincing enough; It doesn't look too good on Marth from what it says, but seeing him cut is a huge surprise which doesn't make much sense either.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
 
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I read Ike's predecessors to mean that they are in the same grouping as Ike (Fire Emblem) but also having been seen previously. I don't think the article was trying to insinuate that they were out.

Also, why does what this article says mean so much? Is the magazine a 100% definitive source that already knows who's in Brawl? Maybe they don't know whether or not Marth, Roy, or Ness are in Brawl, and they're just giving some history on previous Smash Bros. characters that they are not sure about yet.
 
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Reyairia said:
This is basically exactly what happened to Ness, so if anyone is arguing Ness's deconfirmation and that this isn't evidence against Roy/Marth, they're stupid.

Moving on, I'm basically taking a neutral status on this, because neither side is particularly convincing enough; It doesn't look too good on Marth from what it says, but seeing him cut is a huge surprise which doesn't make much sense either.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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There are 2 things wrong with your statement. First of all when it was said for Ness it was on the Dojo, not a third party magazine. Second, I argue that Lucas deconfirms Ness, but not because "up until now" I don't get how people made such a big deal of that. The fact that his B moves are pretty much cut and paste of Ness' is what makes me thing he replaced Ness. I've played Ike, he's kinda like Marth, but not nearly enough so to be his replacement.

Marth popularuty combined with him being the first FE Lord, one of only 2 lords to star in multiple games and the fact that their remaking his game for the DS (which will likely come stateside which will make him even more popular internationally than he already is) makes me think he will be in.
 
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IWontGetOverTheDam said:
Why is Brawl Central becoming less and less reliable by the day? :ohwell:
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How? Are you saying the translations are incorrect? If these translations are so unreliable, please tell me what you think they are.

Ummm, you totally missed the point. WHobby impressions are fine, but "Ness deconfirmations" and "Marth/Roy deconfirmations" are not reliable in any way.
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People, I'm not officially announcing the deconfirmation of these characters! I specifically say:

"Here is the translations"
"Take them in whatever way you may."
"I personally think this hurts their chances, but that's just my oponion"

It's no different than when Panda presented the starting roster theory. He had evidence of something to support an argument, so he made one. I got the translations for you guys, which would normally count as a good thing to do, and then I put my opinion on it. Saying I'm officially announcing the deconfirmation of these characters or we're unreliable is completely untrue. That's the whole point of putting a QUESTION MARK and saying it's MY OPINION. I got an unknown fact and put my personal theory behind it, nothin more.

They try to get popular by getting all the details first, but make noob mistakes cuz of it... and spread rumors that people go nuts over and spread even more and make people overreact...
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We may not have had a 100% record on everything, but we certainly aren't a rumor site or anyhting. We're popular because we DO have the exclusives on a lot of things. Both CoroCoro issue's scans and info were thanks to us, The Pokemon special moves came from us, trophy translations, famitsu translations, ect.
 
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All I've been seeing latly is brawlcentral said this and brawlcentral said that, they don't have connections to sakurai or nintendo do they?

It would be a good idea for everyone not to go crazy over something if it's not coming from smashbros.com. It's extremly easy for people to say anything like this that might mean squat.
 
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Even if marth and roy wern't to have another game again that's not the point. Since they've been in melee there are alot people who really like them and that's a good enough reason as any to include them in brawl.
 
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blayde_axel said:
At least you aren't a d*** about it. lol.

Yeah, it's a remake. Umm... they might have info about it on 1up.com, but I don't know.

And there's only room for one blue-hair, man!
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yeah i like the fire emblem series its just that the latest fire emblem games were sooo good and i cant imagine marth being cooler than ike. And ikes world seems alot cooler than marths so yeah XD laguz rule.
 
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Flaminglink said:
yeah i like the fire emblem series its just that the latest fire emblem games were sooo good and i cant imagine marth being cooler than ike. And ikes world seems alot cooler than marths so yeah XD laguz rule.
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I was never a fan of the laguz. They always seemed useless to me. Ike was pretty cool, I'll give you that, but he was also overpowered. You should never be able to solo the game with a single character, even on hard mode (FE9).

Anyway, the DS seems to be a remake of FE1 (might be Fe3, but nothing conclusive yet), but bringing it up to current standards (graphics, gameplay, etc). Either way, since they put Roy in Melee to hype FE6, I can't see them not including Marth again to at least hype FE11.
 
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