Marth, Roy, Ness Deconfirmed?

[AlphaDragoon2002]

I like Ike more than Marth and Roy (even though I like the two of them as well), so I can live with Ike being the FE representative for Brawl, should he turn out to the only one.

 

[Superman3901]

Anyways, 11 days 'till we find out.

 

[C00P]

IMO this game is supposed to evolve the fighting. Take it a step further in every direction. If you want your melee move set version of Marth, YOU CAN PLAY AS HIM RIGHT NOW. Jus pop in your gamecube version.

A million people mained Marth and if this game had that exact charcter then they should have called it
Super Marth Bros. Brawl: And some other Nintendo characters. I want to see a game where no matter who you pick, if you can antisipate, react and think quick you win. Not use your swords length to prevent your opponent from getting close to you, followed by spiking his *** to the ground before he gets a shot in.

EVOLVE THIS GAME...

 

[Oldskool]

What I don't get, is why people all of a sudden go ape **** about axed characters. IT HAPPENS IN FIGHTING GAMES ALL OF THE FREAKING TIME! It's something you have to get over. I am in no way against Marth, Roy, or Ness. Infact, I liked using Roy and Ness. In the end, I'll get over it, as I can just main another character like Pit. And Lucas seems to be a lot more interesting than Ness was, with the rope snake and all. How can we have a NEW game if tons of old crap is kept in? Change is just as important as addition.

 

[Oldskool]

What I don't get, is why people all of a sudden go ape **** about axed characters. IT HAPPENS IN FIGHTING GAMES ALL OF THE FREAKING TIME! It's something you have to get over. I am in no way against Marth, Roy, or Ness. Infact, I liked using Roy and Ness. In the end, I'll get over it, as I can just main another character like Pit. And Lucas seems to be a lot more interesting than Ness was, with the rope snake and all. How can we have a NEW game if tons of old crap is kept in? Change is just as important as addition.

 

[Smashruler]

I hope they are gonna be in Brawl. The LEAST they should do is bring back Ness and Marth or Roy. But i'm hoping for all 3.

 

[Okysho]

The problem with "This game evolves" is that Smash bros is supposed to cast the "All starts of Nintendo" (Don't believe me? pop in SSBM and watch the first 5 seconds of the opening video) Fact of the matter is, Marth is a Nintendo all star! His game created an entire new genre! It's now a huge franchise, it's impossible to scrap that! Some characters are much much MUCH too important to scrap. Marth is one of them... It's a point you can't argue with "So what Marth is like Every other FE lord!" It's not true. All othe FE lords are like Marth. Marth came first! Also you can't say "Marth being the face of Fire Emblem means nothing!" That's not true also! As I stated above, Marth's game created a new gaming genre. Also if it meant nothing. would his game have a sequal and then an amazing remake? No I don't think so. Sakurai knows this. He won't scrap Marth.

 

[The Kirby Kong]

What I don't get, is why people all of a sudden go ape **** about axed characters. IT HAPPENS IN FIGHTING GAMES ALL OF THE FREAKING TIME! It's something you have to get over. I am in no way against Marth, Roy, or Ness. Infact, I liked using Roy and Ness. In the end, I'll get over it, as I can just main another character like Pit. And Lucas seems to be a lot more interesting than Ness was, with the rope snake and all. How can we have a NEW game if tons of old crap is kept in? Change is just as important as addition.

Using that logic, they might as well remove Mario from the game... because well, change is just as important as addition. Hey, I have another good idea, let's change the way the game plays, let's remove the percentage/launching-off-screen mechanism, and replace it with a health bar. OMG COOOOOL!

Subtle changes are fine, but removing important stuff / popular characters is not. Especially when their movesets are entirely thrown away.

I don't know about you, but if I get my hands on the game and notice that neither Marth, nor Roy nor Ness is in, I honestly can't understand how Famitsu could give it a perfect score.

 

[Okysho]

posted on www.brawlcentral.com



Read bold. Looks like Marth and Roy are axed. Also looks like Ness is gone if they're doing these articles on old Melee characters and included Ness. This is not somehting set in stone, but from the looks of it, it seems all three are about 99% gone. Darn, Marth was my alt main in Melee.

Why do you keep saying that your post doesn't say "They're not deconfirmed, I jsut want you to discuss it?" or something to that effect. Your post clearly says "They're 99% gone" stop contradicting yourself to attempt to make yourself look un-biased.

 

[The Kirby Kong]

What I don't get, is why people all of a sudden go ape **** about axed characters. IT HAPPENS IN FIGHTING GAMES ALL OF THE FREAKING TIME! It's something you have to get over. I am in no way against Marth, Roy, or Ness. Infact, I liked using Roy and Ness. In the end, I'll get over it, as I can just main another character like Pit. And Lucas seems to be a lot more interesting than Ness was, with the rope snake and all. How can we have a NEW game if tons of old crap is kept in? Change is just as important as addition.

Using that logic, they might as well remove Mario from the game... because well, change is just as important as addition. Hey, I have another good idea, let's change the way the game plays, let's remove the percentage/launching-off-screen mechanism, and replace it with a health bar. OMG COOOOOL!

Subtle changes are fine, but removing important stuff / popular characters is not. Especially when their movesets are entirely thrown away.

I don't know about you, but if I get my hands on the game and notice that neither Marth, nor Roy nor Ness is in, I honestly can't understand how Famitsu could give it a perfect score.

PS. Did you realize that this game is all about the characters that are in it? It's the selling point of the game, bringing joy to people by use of lots and lots of nostalgia. Isn't Smash 64 description something like: 'Nintendo's mascots duke it out...'? Yes, I thought so.
If characters, no wait, MASCOTS are the selling point of a particular game, how does it make any sense to remove them?

That's like removing motion control from Wii Sports.

 

[Rhubarbo]

The problem with "This game evolves" is that Smash bros is supposed to cast the "All starts of Nintendo" (Don't believe me? pop in SSBM and watch the first 5 seconds of the opening video) Fact of the matter is, Marth is a Nintendo all star! His game created an entire new genre! It's now a huge franchise, it's impossible to scrap that! Some characters are much much MUCH too important to scrap. Marth is one of them... It's a point you can't argue with "So what Marth is like Every other FE lord!" It's not true. All othe FE lords are like Marth. Marth came first! Also you can't say "Marth being the face of Fire Emblem means nothing!" That's not true also! As I stated above, Marth's game created a new gaming genre. Also if it meant nothing. would his game have a sequal and then an amazing remake? No I don't think so. Sakurai knows this. He won't scrap Marth.

OMMFG! Alright, Marth owns, blah blah blah blah blah! If they intended to keep him in, they wouldn't have given Ike two of his moves! Anywho, the thing states that Marth and Roy are predecessors of Ike...that means they are out, done, kapeesh, bye-bye! If Marth is confirmed for Brawl, I will post a Youyube video saying I am a douche! Someone mark these words and PM me if he gets in!

 

[Rhubarbo]

Using that logic, they might as well remove Mario from the game... because well, change is just as important as addition. Hey, I have another good idea, let's change the way the game plays, let's remove the percentage/launching-off-screen mechanism, and replace it with a health bar. OMG COOOOOL!

Subtle changes are fine, but removing important stuff / popular characters is not. Especially when their movesets are entirely thrown away.

I don't know about you, but if I get my hands on the game and notice that neither Marth, nor Roy nor Ness is in, I honestly can't understand how Famitsu could give it a perfect score.

PS. Did you realize that this game is all about the characters that are in it? It's the selling point of the game, bringing joy to people by use of lots and lots of nostalgia. Isn't Smash 64 description something like: 'Nintendo's mascots duke it out...'? Yes, I thought so.
If characters, no wait, MASCOTS are the selling point of a particular game, how does it make any sense to remove them?

That's like removing motion control from Wii Sports.

Jesus! Marth is NOT a mascot! Sure, he helped promote Fire Emblem here in the first place, but the more recent games include other characters. If you ty to compare Mario and Marth, you are by far the biggest n00b on the internetz! About your last comment: Are foy effing serious? You think Marth makes this game??? Look, people are obviously terrible in regards to adaptation, but you're going to get used to it no matter what! There will probably be a nother fast swords man in Brawl (who knows, maybe Takamaru)?

P.S. It's a shame that they made Ike horribly slow. In his native games, he is mid-ranged in speed in his game at least. He should have been at least as fast as Link...not slower than Bowser lol.

 

[mezbomber]

"do you remember Super Smash Bros. Melee? Up until now, this was the game that we all play. Can Super Smash Bros. Brawl surpass it's predecessor?"

OMG...Melee is confirmed/deconfirmed to be in Brawl.

 

[Okysho]

OMMFG! Alright, Marth owns, blah blah blah blah blah! If they intended to keep him in, they wouldn't have given Ike two of his moves! Anywho, the thing states that Marth and Roy are predecessors of Ike...that means they are out, done, kapeesh, bye-bye! If Marth is confirmed for Brawl, I will post a Youyube video saying I am a douche! Someone mark these words and PM me if he gets in!

First off, Ike only has One of Marth's moves. Second, the word Predecessor means nothing except that they came before him. If it's not on the dojo, it's not official. I will mark these words and I will PM you when you fail! I don't even mind you being a Marth hater, but the fact that you don't recognize his position in Nintendo's history is just pathetic. It's like saying "Master Chief isn't a popular video game character!"
To make silly assumptions like that, who's the real Noob? Fumatsu isn't Masahiro Sakurai. I'm pretty **** sure that Masahiro Sakurai doesn't produce Fumatsu. Having said that, a third party magazine couldn't possibly do anything but speculate and state their opinions about something since Sakurai is much too secretive about this game to reveal anything to a third rate gaming magazine.

I'm sorry but you fail!

 

[Chi's Finest]

Why do you keep saying that your post doesn't say "They're not deconfirmed, I jsut want you to discuss it?" or something to that effect. Your post clearly says "They're 99% gone" stop contradicting yourself to attempt to make yourself look un-biased.

Let's take a look at my post you quoted. Please take note of the bold and underline text:

Chi's Finest]Read bold. Looks like Marth and Roy are axed. Also looks like Ness is gone if they're doing these articles on old Melee characters and included Ness. This is not somehting set in stone, but from the looks of it, it seems all three are about 99% gone. Darn, Marth was my alt main in Melee.

Any you're saying that I'm stating that as a confirmed fact, and not putting my opinion into it at all?

 

[GinRei]

Any you're saying that I'm stating that as a confirmed fact, and not putting my opinion into it at all?

Well, you took something that meant nothing, and turned it into a huge debate because you think it means they're 99% out. Your own translator has said it doesn't mean they're out, yet you keep insisting it means they likely are. I've said this part multiple times, yet you don't seem to want to acknowledge it.

 

[The Kirby Kong]

Jesus! Marth is NOT a mascot! Sure, he helped promote Fire Emblem here in the first place, but the more recent games include other characters. If you ty to compare Mario and Marth, you are by far the biggest n00b on the internetz! About your last comment: Are foy effing serious? You think Marth makes this game??? Look, people are obviously terrible in regards to adaptation, but you're going to get used to it no matter what! There will probably be a nother fast swords man in Brawl (who knows, maybe Takamaru)?

You're just exxagerating my opinion to the point of it being ridiculous.

What I'm saying is just that characters are the selling point of the game, and removing characters that have appeared in the previous two games is a risky decision. It's far easier to include semi-clones and be sure that nobody is disappointed. That way it's only a win/win situation for them.

That's not to say everyone should return, Dr. Mario and Pichu were just plain terribly lame. And although Roy was okey, it seems his playstyle has gone to Ike, as the strong but slow swordfighter.

 

[Chi's Finest]

Well, you took something that meant nothing, and turned it into a huge debate because you think it means they're 99% out. Your own translator has said it doesn't mean they're out, yet you keep insisting it means they likely are. I've said this part multiple times, yet you don't seem to want to acknowledge it.

How am I insisting they are? It was my opinion and it's not like I've spent this whole thread ramming it down everyone's throats. I keep on saying take it as you may. All I did was give the translation that a lot of people wanted to know, so there ya go. Why is my opinion the only one that is attacked, rather than the others who are saying "I think they're out", or "I think they're in."?

 

[EPX2]

What I don't get, is why people all of a sudden go ape **** about axed characters. IT HAPPENS IN FIGHTING GAMES ALL OF THE FREAKING TIME! It's something you have to get over. I am in no way against Marth, Roy, or Ness. Infact, I liked using Roy and Ness. In the end, I'll get over it, as I can just main another character like Pit. And Lucas seems to be a lot more interesting than Ness was, with the rope snake and all. How can we have a NEW game if tons of old crap is kept in? Change is just as important as addition.

Because when there's no good, logical reason to exclude a veteran, it's a stupid thing to do. "Other fighting games have done this!" ... so? How does that make it a *smart* thing to do? This all boils down to that "If all your friends jumped off a bridge, would you too?" adage.

Also, chances are that these fighting games have an actual storyline that, at some point, necessitates that certain characters do not return. For example, if someone dies in game 1... they probably aren't going to return in game 2 (if the game is meant to be as realistic as a fighting game can get). Take Dead or Alive 2, for example. Hayate, who appeared in the first DoA, didn't return because he was suffering from temporary amnesia; he was included as a secret characte named Ein, however. He came back in Dead or Alive 3 because, as per the storyline, there would no longer be an issue with him being in the game as he was supposed to be (since he wasn't under the effects of his amnesia anymore). SSB doesn't have that sort of continuity, making the removal of certain characters far less justifiable, especially in the case of franchise icons like Marth.

I'm not even going to bother addressing Rhubarbo's horrid points because his arguments, quite simply, suck. He doesn't realize he's only continuing to prove everyone else's point that Ike isn't supposed to be a Marth replacement by bringing up the fact that they share a whopping one move in common: Counter. As I said before, Eruption is to Shield Breaker as Charge Shot is to Link's bow.

I will say this right now: I am absolutely positive that Marth will return. I'm not saying anything about Ness or Roy, but I have no doubt that Marth is going to be in Brawl as a playable character. Though this won't happen, if it turns out that I am completely wrong, I have no problem with you ridiculing me for this. Wouldn't be the first time that I was wrong - I also fervently denied the possibility of the most recent delay before it actually happened.

 

[JhMS]

OMMFG! Alright, Marth owns, blah blah blah blah blah! If they intended to keep him in, they wouldn't have given Ike two of his moves! Anywho, the thing states that Marth and Roy are predecessors of Ike...that means they are out, done, kapeesh, bye-bye! If Marth is confirmed for Brawl, I will post a Youyube video saying I am a douche! Someone mark these words and PM me if he gets in!

Im marking your words.
And I think Marth is coming back.Theres no reason to take him out.Hes the omega of Fire Emblem!He is the face of FE and he deserves the spot.

 

[OrlanduEX]

Because when there's no good, logical reason to exclude a veteran, it's a stupid thing to do. "Other fighting games have done this!" ... so? How does that make it a *smart* thing to do? This all boils down to that "If all your friends jumped off a bridge, would you too?" adage.

Also, chances are that these fighting games have an actual storyline that, at some point, necessitates that certain characters do not return. For example, if someone dies in game 1... they probably aren't going to return in game 2 (if the game is meant to be as realistic as a fighting game can get). Take Dead or Alive 2, for example. Hayate, who appeared in the first DoA, didn't return because he was suffering from temporary amnesia; he was included as a secret characte named Ein, however. He came back in Dead or Alive 3 because, as per the storyline, there would no longer be an issue with him being in the game as he was supposed to be (since he wasn't under the effects of his amnesia anymore). SSB doesn't have that sort of continuity, making the removal of certain characters far less justifiable, especially in the case of franchise icons like Marth.

I'm not even going to bother addressing Rhubarbo's horrid points because his arguments, quite simply, suck. He doesn't realize he's only continuing to prove everyone else's point that Ike isn't supposed to be a Marth replacement by bringing up the fact that they share a whopping one move in common: Counter. As I said before, Eruption is to Shield Breaker as Charge Shot is to Link's bow.

I will say this right now: I am absolutely positive that Marth will return. I'm not saying anything about Ness or Roy, but I have no doubt that Marth is going to be in Brawl as a playable character. Though this won't happen, if it turns out that I am completely wrong, I have no problem with you ridiculing me for this. Wouldn't be the first time that I was wrong - I also fervently denied the possibility of the most recent delay before it actually happened.

I agree with this man.
You'd have to be a Marth hater to actually believe that he isn't an iconic character or that it would make sense for him to be removed.

 

[Okysho]

OMMFG! Alright, Marth owns, blah blah blah blah blah! If they intended to keep him in, they wouldn't have given Ike two of his moves! Anywho, the thing states that Marth and Roy are predecessors of Ike...that means they are out, done, kapeesh, bye-bye! If Marth is confirmed for Brawl, I will post a Youyube video saying I am a douche! Someone mark these words and PM me if he gets in!

I am marking your words also. I will PM you as soon as I read the final roster after the JP release (if he's not on the dojo before then)

 

[GinRei]

How am I insisting they are? It was my opinion and it's not like I've spent this whole thread ramming it down everyone's throats. I keep on saying take it as you may. All I did was give the translation that a lot of people wanted to know, so there ya go. Why is my opinion the only one that is attacked, rather than the others who are saying "I think they're out", or "I think they're in."?

Maybe not the whole thread, but a good portion of it you were arguing semantics about whether predecessor meant they were included or not. We thank you for the posting the translation, but you were awful quick to jump the gun and proclaim multiple characters out based on semantics.

You seem to not notice other people who say they're out being told they're wrong, but yours is being targetting more because it's the original post.

 

[mezbomber]

very few people here actually try to see things from another's point of view.
there are supporters for every character, and that's probably because every character is pretty sweet.
it's true that with some characters you have to sift through some crap to find the good things, but it's there.

every clone is a clone. there is no real basis for determining which clones are more entitled than others except for personal preferences. I, for one, enjoy playing Doc way more than Mario...and many people enjoy playing Falco way more than Fox. Turns out, they're both clones. If Falco deserves a new moveset, then I don't see any reason why Doc wouldn't, too. If Doc is not worth the space he's programed on, then I'd say neither is Falco. I can see giving Ganon special treatment, due to him being the main antagonist of the entire LoZ series...he probably deserves to not be a clone.

ultimately, if you try hard enough, you can argue anything, but it doesn't mean you're right. seems kind of pointless to me.

 

[Ban Heim]

very few people here actually try to see things from another's point of view.
there are supporters for every character, and that's probably because every character is pretty sweet.
it's true that with some characters you have to sift through some crap to find the good things, but it's there.

every clone is a clone. there is no real basis for determining which clones are more entitled than others except for personal preferences. I, for one, enjoy playing Doc way more than Mario...and many people enjoy playing Falco way more than Fox. Turns out, they're both clones. If Falco deserves a new moveset, then I don't see any reason why Doc wouldn't, too. If Doc is not worth the space he's programed on, then I'd say neither is Falco. I can see giving Ganon special treatment, due to him being the main antagonist of the entire LoZ series...he probably deserves to not be a clone.

ultimately, if you try hard enough, you can argue anything, but it doesn't mean you're right. seems kind of pointless to me.

Not sure what your point is really, but if you're saying Marth is a clone, you may want to rethink that argument.

If I completely missed your point, just ignore this.

 

[OrlanduEX]

very few people here actually try to see things from another's point of view.
there are supporters for every character, and that's probably because every character is pretty sweet.
it's true that with some characters you have to sift through some crap to find the good things, but it's there.

every clone is a clone. there is no real basis for determining which clones are more entitled than others except for personal preferences. I, for one, enjoy playing Doc way more than Mario...and many people enjoy playing Falco way more than Fox. Turns out, they're both clones. If Falco deserves a new moveset, then I don't see any reason why Doc wouldn't, too. If Doc is not worth the space he's programed on, then I'd say neither is Falco. I can see giving Ganon special treatment, due to him being the main antagonist of the entire LoZ series...he probably deserves to not be a clone.

ultimately, if you try hard enough, you can argue anything, but it doesn't mean you're right. seems kind of pointless to me.

A clone is not just a clone. The characters that have been confirmed for Brawl are those that are generally the most popular Nintendo characters and/or the most important characters in their respective games.
Falco and Ganondorf are more entitled to new movesets because they are far more popular and important to their respective franchises than Pichu, Doc and Roy.

 

[Kevin]

I don't mind if there are clones, as long as they are somewhat different, (Falco's lasers compared to fox, shine, etc)

 

[EricShiznit]

As much as I want Marth and Ness back, this looks to me like they're gone.

Obviously Famitsu was given the opportunity to play the game early, right? Why would the developers allow Famitsu to put information on characters that are supposed to be hidden? Sure, Sheik was announced in Famitsu, but I highly doubt that Famitsu was given authority to announce Sheik, Ness, Marth, and Roy. Logically, the arrows are pointing to their exclusion.

I do however like Ness much more than Lucas, and Marth was one of my favorites too, so I'm a little sad to see them go.

 

[mezbomber]

no...I know Marth isn't a clone.

I guess I just think the popularity of some clones could be subjective to one's personal preference. For example, Falco has never been a main character. He's always secondary to Fox. And Roy, has been the main FE lord in the games he appears on. In Dr.Mario, there's only two characters: Doc and viruses. He seems pretty important to his game...however, not to the franchise because it's an offshoot title.

Marth has an original moveset (and it's pretty rad, Marth kills...it's true), but he's broken. In Brawl, we've already heard of broken characters being nerfed, or "fixed", depending on how you look at it...i.e.Fox or Peach. So, there is a precedent for broken characters having a higher chance of being fixed. If Marth comes back, I think it's very probable that he would also be fixed. And I think it's just as probable to believe that Ike could be a "fixed-Marth". Granted, it would also be a more dramatic "fix" than what appears to have happened to Fox or Peach...but still possible.

anything's possible, that's why it seems pointless to consistently discredit people who disagree with you when it's really on the basis of one's bias.

 

[Ban Heim]

no...I know Marth isn't a clone.

I guess I just think the popularity of some clones could be subjective to one's personal preference. For example, Falco has never been a main character. He's always secondary to Fox. And Roy, has been the main FE lord in the games he appears on. In Dr.Mario, there's only two characters: Doc and viruses. He seems pretty important to his game...however, not to the franchise because it's an offshoot title.

Marth has an original moveset (and it's pretty rad, Marth kills...it's true), but he's broken. In Brawl, we've already heard of broken characters being nerfed, or "fixed", depending on how you look at it...i.e.Fox or Peach. So, there is a precedent for broken characters having a higher chance of being fixed. If Marth comes back, I think it's very probable that he would also be fixed. And I think it's just as probable to believe that Ike could be a "fixed-Marth". Granted, it would also be a more dramatic "fix" than what appears to have happened to Fox or Peach...but still possible.

anything's possible, that's why it seems pointless to consistently discredit people who disagree with you when it's really on the basis of one's bias.

God I hope Ike isn't a fix for Marth. I wouldn't even consider it a fix. More like hardcore *** ****.

 

[mezbomber]

and Lucas could very well be a "buffed Ness"

 

[Byron X]

I don't believe this at all for a simple fact that you saying as if Marth is gone and "deconfirmed" isn't a word. It's "disconfirmed"

 

[OrlanduEX]

Why would the developers allow Famitsu to put information on characters that are supposed to be hidden? Sure, Sheik was announced in Famitsu, but I highly doubt that Famitsu was given authority to announce Sheik, Ness, Marth, and Roy. Logically, the arrows are pointing to their exclusion.

Why would Nintendo give Famitsu the ok to DISCONFIRM characters?
The disconfirmation of any character is just as important as the confirmation of the same.
Why would an important character like Marth be disconfirmed so casually in a stray paragraph in a magazine instead of by Sakurai himself on the Dojo?
The article on the old characters does not reveal any info about them that we don't know. They are characters in Melee. That pretty much sums up the paragraph.

If the article said "NEWS FLASH: We are sorry to announce by Sakurai's permission that Marth, Roy, and Ness will not be playable characters in Brawl", that would be something else.

 

[EPX2]

As much as I want Marth and Ness back, this looks to me like they're gone.

Obviously Famitsu was given the opportunity to play the game early, right? Why would the developers allow Famitsu to put information on characters that are supposed to be hidden? Sure, Sheik was announced in Famitsu, but I highly doubt that Famitsu was given authority to announce Sheik, Ness, Marth, and Roy. Logically, the arrows are pointing to their exclusion.

I do however like Ness much more than Lucas, and Marth was one of my favorites too, so I'm a little sad to see them go.

They didn't give any information other than what we know already, which is the fact that those three appeared in Melee. Logically, the arrows aren't pointing anywhere for Ness, Marth, and Roy, unlike with Sheik. Famitsu outright confirmed that Sheik was returning; with those three, they offered a bunch of vague statements that don't really tell us anything that isn't known already. If they know something, I'd expect them to blurb it out as they did with Sheik.

Also, you're making the assumption that those three are supposed to be hidden, when absolutely nothing suggests that possibility (other than their unlockable status in previous entries). In fact, given that Ness was a starter in Melee, logic would dictate that he'd obviously return as such in Brawl. And I think it's pretty likely that Marth will part of the starting roster as he's the face of Fire Emblem and thus is appropriate for a starring position. No comment on Roy, though. If he returns, I'd expect him to remain secret.

 

[GinRei]

Also, you're making the assumption that those three are supposed to be hidden, when absolutely nothing suggests that possibility. In fact, given that Ness was a starter in Melee, logic would dictate that he'd obviously return as such in Brawl. And I think it's pretty likely that Marth will part of the starting roster as he's the face of Fire Emblem and thus is appropriate for a starring position. No comment on Roy, though. If he returns, I'd expect him to remain secret.

I believe it was said at one point that if a character was unlockable in a previous game, they would be unlockable in Brawl. I don't recall where or when this was said, but I seem to remember it being said. (Ness in original, Marth in melee, Roy in melee).

 

[EPX2]

I believe it was said at one point that if a character was unlockable in a previous game, they would be unlockable in Brawl. I don't recall where or when this was said, but I seem to remember it being said. (Ness in original, Marth in melee, Roy in melee).

It was said in the same interview that confirmed that clones weren't returning and that Brawl would have at least 40 characters. Basically, it was never said. If that were the case, we wouldn't even be having this discussion as every character from Melee would've thus been indirectly confirmed.

Edit: Is anyone else having problems with the quick edit feature? The textarea is not showing up for me...

 

[MR333]

ness is returning, plus this isn't sufficient evidence for ness, as for marth and roy, there is already one blue haired swordsman, and roy is jsut a slow clone, to give hima new moveset is highly doubtful same for ness, but hes bacl

i agree that roy and possibly marth wont be coming back, but roy is better than people give him credit for. he just has a different play style than marth, which most people consider worse. however, i am really good w/ roy, but i have never been any good w/ marth.

 

[EricShiznit]

Also, you're making the assumption that those three are supposed to be hidden, when absolutely nothing suggests that possibility (other than their unlockable status in previous entries). In fact, given that Ness was a starter in Melee, logic would dictate that he'd obviously return as such in Brawl. And I think it's pretty likely that Marth will part of the starting roster as he's the face of Fire Emblem and thus is appropriate for a starring position. No comment on Roy, though. If he returns, I'd expect him to remain secret.

By "hidden," I'm referring to the characters being hidden until they are on the dojo, not unlockables.

Also, we ALL know that Sakurai isn't going to give us an update on the dojo saying "Ness isn't coming back." It'd actually suck pretty bad if he did, I don't think anyone would be very happy. The few lines he's given us IMO have been pretty clear, but since we over-analyze everything, the lines have been somewhat blurred.

That said, it does absolutely no harm to the dojo for Famitsu to reference characters that are being taken out. The dojo isn't going to flat out say it, so this will likely be the clearest we'll get before release.
As I already mentioned, it's a little crazy to think Famitsu announced 4 Brawl characters in one booklet, which IS what they did assuming Marth/Roy/Ness are back. If Sakurai is keeping them, they'll be on the dojo tomorrow and the rest of this week, otherwise we're just dreaming.

 

[Masque]

Before anyone else makes up a false translation, here's my basic take on this picture.

Scan from Ike's Move History (from the Famitsu booklet):
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c283/fallingstarlane/ike_hist.jpg

*gasp* Marth in the bottom right?! What does it say?

Japanese Text: 「曉の女神」にもカウンターというスキルが登場しますが、「スマブラDX」のカウンターをお見せしたほうがいいですよね？

Basic Translation: The Counter skill appeared in "Fire Emblem: Goddess of Dawn," but it's good enough to show its usage from SSBM, right?

Again, nothing too conclusive. Seems as if Sakurai's almost taunting the Marth fans.

 

[SinisterLizard]

If Marth does return, I hope they nerfed the crap out of him. I hated people who played certain characters just because they were incredibly overpowered.