Marth, Roy, Ness Deconfirmed?

[Teeb147]

Close thread please

 

[CO18]

Could care less about ness and roy.. however i do care about marth

 

[Antinegative]

pred·e·ces·sor - something succeeded or replaced by something else: The new monument in the park is more beautiful than its predecessor.

suc·ceed : 5. to follow or replace another by descent, election, appointment, etc. (often fol. by to).
6. to come next after something else in an order or series.

Therefore Marth/Roy could be succeeded by Ike and not be eliminated or destroyed. It is probably just a reference to the chronological order of their appearance in the SSB series.

 

[Japanese Monk]

How is this deconfirmation? Stop it please. Chi, you've been doing this all day. Geez.

I dont even care for Marth, Roy or Ness but that sentence could be taken about 10 different ways.

 

[Oh Gibdo]

This doesn't mean they're out.
I won't mind at all if they are, but this really doesn't confirm anything.

 

[TheJalapeno]

guffaw. that's all I got to say

 

[Chi's Finest]

How is this deconfirmation? Stop it please. Chi, you've been doing this all day. Geez.

I dont even care for Marth, Roy or Ness but that sentence could be taken about 10 different ways.

wtf... this is the only thread I've made all day.

suc·ceed : 5. to follow or replace another by descent, election, appointment, etc. (often fol. by to).
6. to come next after something else in an order or series.

Therefore Marth/Roy could be succeeded by Ike and not be eliminated or destroyed. It is probably just a reference to the chronological order of their appearance in the SSB series.

You do realize both of those definitions you posted support my point. They talk about replacing, coming next, suceeding, ect.

 

[oxyborb]

deconfirmed is not a word.

 

[webrunner]

There is absolultely no way that I can imagine anyone at Nintendo saying, "We should take Marth out". There's no way to justify it at all, whatsoever.

There is NOTHING in common between Ike and Marth in Brawl, and Marth is not only the first Fire Emblem main character, but one of the few to be featured in more than one game.

It'd be like if they took Pikachu out and replaced him with some other electric pokemon.. it's just not going to happen.

Honestly, we have to realise something: Translation is not a 1:1 art. There's often no word that means EXACTLY the same thing in English and Japanese, and even if the meanings are the same may have different implications. Arguing over what this or that translated word means is completely pointless as it was a word chosen by the TRANSLATOR and not by Nintendo or Famitsu.

 

[rusashi]

way to make the ******* even more ******** Brawl Central.

Your translators need to get their **** together.

 

[Chi's Finest]

way to make the ******* even more ******** Brawl Central.

Your translators need to get their **** together.

What's wrong with them? Are you suggesting the translation is wrong?

 

[JJJ.Brawler]

This thread is kind of pointless. Everyone's just argueing. And nobody will know who's right for a week and a half *shakes head*.

 

[Japanese Monk]

deconfirmed is not a word.

lol. yeah. Its disconfirmed. (I think)

But you know how it is on the internet...Woot wasnt a word either...but its in the dictionary now.

 

[InvincibleAgent]

Do Fire Emblem and Sword of Seals happen before Path of Radiance? If so, they are his predecessors from FE, regardless of their status in Brawl.

 

[webrunner]

The translation may be right without the full implications of the words being right. A lot of concepts will get lost in the translation unless the person is fully fluent in both languages.

 

[rusashi]

What's wrong with them? Are you suggesting the translation is wrong?

Nope, but you guys have been causing panic attacks left and right because of this whole famitsu ordeal.

And yeah, you guys got the Ness translation wrong, because you were too lazy to translate it yourself, and stole it from a post at serebii.

For the "most knowledgeable brawl source on the web" you guys sure do post a lot of speculation, and not fact.

When the DOJO posts Marth, Roy and Ness as ATs or something, then they're out. Until then, don't go around spouting "MARTH AND ROY ARE OUT BECAUSE THEY'RE PREDECESSORS"

 

[OrlanduEX]

Wow. Brawl Central really needs to stop jumping to conclusions.
The word "predecessor" doesn't disconfirm anything.
It could refer to the fact that Marth and Roy are predecessors in the FIRE EMBLEM series. It could also mean that Marth and Roy came before Ike.
Chi, please stop making this absolute claims without irrefutable evidence. And don't say anything about what's logical. Sakurai defies logic.

 

[GinRei]

You do realize both of those definitions you posted support my point. They talk about replacing, coming next, suceeding, ect.

How is following someone replacing them? It merely means that, in addition to those already in the Smash games, we have new comers from the same series.

Please stop taking things out of context just to try and have big exciting news. You did it earlier today with Ness, with a clearly false translation, and now you're misconstruing words to make huge claims.

 

[webrunner]

if Deconfirmed was a word, it wouldn't mean the same thing as Disconfirmed, it would mean "Made unconfirmed" - namely it would mean something that was previously confirmed turned out to be not be confirmed (ie: the source was found out to have made a mistake or lie)

 

[Limey]

I love how most people jump on anything to use to prove the non-appearance of a character in Brawl.

This means nothing. The sections don't say in any way that those three characters aren't in the game. I don't care ho likely or unlikely it is that they will be or won't be in, this is not the game, nor is it a post on the Dojo saying "Marth, Ness and Roy are out."

The only time it is official is when someone gets the game, unlocks absolutely everything and discovers who is or isn't in.

A magazine, regardless or whether it's Famitsu or not, wouldn't reveal things. It'd be like reading a review of a new movie, and it says "And when ____ dies in the finale, it really is heartbreaking."

I mean, wtf, the review just gave away the ending to the movie!?

That just doesn't happen, and a magazine on a game wouldn't do it either. They wouldn't give away hidden characters, nor would they give away info on returning yet unrevealed characters, or even hint.

Sheik doesn't count, because she was revealed by the Dojo on the same day.

The Ness, Roy and Marth section are part of the history sections of characters from their franchise, and shouldn't be taken as "deconfirmation" of their inclusion.

 

[CommanderGrit]

Predecessor doesn't mean they won't be back. It means they came before him. You people aren't very smart.

ahem. . .

pred·e·ces·sor
-noun
"something succeeded or replaced by something else"

 

[JJJ.Brawler]

Your interpretation of the word predecessors is speculation. That Marth and Roy preceded Ike is a fact just like Mario and Luigi preceded Wario. It does not necessarily mean anything in regards to this game. Furthermore, even if Marth or Roy were removed from this game, it would have no bearing on this article.

 

[Black/Light]

Chi is actually right about the word. When used right it means this from what I gather. . .

1: one that precedes; especially : a person who has previously occupied a position or office to which another has succeeded
2archaic : ancestor"

"1. a person who precedes another in an office, position, etc.
2. something succeeded or replaced by something else: The new monument in the park is more beautiful than its predecessor.
3. Archaic. an ancestor; forefather.

One who precedes another in time, especially in holding an office or position.
Something that has been succeeded by another: The new building is more spacious than its predecessor.
Archaic An ancestor; a forebear.

But the way words are used today to just add "more favor" to something may mean that yes, they simply meant that those two came before Ike and not that they where replaced by him. People do this all the time. . . use a word in a very un-common manner to what it is many seen as.

Either way, we all need to chill. Waite to see what else is in this mag before yelling deconfirmed.

 

[Azureclipse]

Does this completely deconfirm them? Not really.

Does this hurt their chances? Probably.

Its just "UP UNTIL NOW" all over again..

 

[Lucas_User]

Well, that kinda sucks for the people who wanted Marth.

 

[CaptainCC]

its only an implicit deconfirmaiton, but this is by no mea ns definitive. By no means whatsoever.

 

[User33]

That's stupid. It never says in the translation that they are gone. Predecessors 100% refers to them being in previous games before Ike, not predecessors as in being in Melee.

Close fail of a topic.

 

[True Fool]

Predecessors of FE makes sense. The word can't be taken as anything right now.

 

[rusashi]

Why are we arguing about the meaning of a word?

Marth and Roy are the predecessors of Ike. But not in Brawl. Until an article specifically says "THESE GUYS WILL NOT BE IN SUPER SMASH BROTHERS BRAWL" then they're not out of the game.

Please, if you're going to be an intelligent news site, don't post speculation.

 

[Chi's Finest]

When did I steal a translation from Serebii? kashikomarima****a, Aeris, and .Yoshi are my translators. They translate the info for me and tell me before I post it. I haven't been to Serebii in forever.


So we shouldn't believe the magazine because it's not on the Dojo. That means we shouldn't have believed Snake's Down B was the C4 because it wasn't on the Dojo when it was printed in the magazine. Smae thing with Wario's Bite and other moves. Did we all doubt a Mario kart stage for 2 years before it was announced?

 

[Wyvern]

I notice that everyone is looking at nothing but the word "predecessor". All the characters are shown with MELEE MODELS, not updated at all, and Marth is given the same consideration as ROY, who has effectively zero chance of returning. If Marth is going to return, why is there no Brawl model for him? If the magazine writers knew he was in the game, why would they be showing him like this, alongside a character who is obviously not going to be in the game, asking us to "remember" him?

 

[Deception]

I'm sorta glad. I don't care if any of the three come back. Marth was the one character I have the most trouble against, and I can't rely on him getting nerfed if he got in. The rapesword is no more.... hopefully.

 

[Adi]

After their little Ness screwup I don't particularly trust brawl central anymore.

 

[GinRei]

When did I steal a translation from Serebii? kashikomarima****a, Aeris, and .Yoshi are my translators. They translate the info for me and tell me before I post it. I haven't been to Serebii in forever.

Predecessor can also mean those that came before him...ie, Marth and Roy appeared in a Smash game before Ike ever did... xD

That was my basis for that translation~

Even your own translator says he doesn't agree with your assessment of the word "predecessor".

 

[Terywj [태리]]

This article has no proof what-so-ever...I refuse to believe that my secondary will not return in Brawl.

 

[BraveDave88]

Eh, even if Marth is gone, I'm sure his moveset will live on in some way, shape, or form.

Sigurd all the way, in my opinion.

 

[KingKraken]

Well, on the bright side, (assuming this is true) this leaves an open door for more FE characters. Hopefully we'll get more than just another sword wielder.

 

[Davidius]

There is absolultely no way that I can imagine anyone at Nintendo saying, "We should take Marth out". There's no way to justify it at all, whatsoever.

More like "Let's not bother our arses putting Marth in."

Just saying. =P

On topic, I wouldn't miss any of them to be honest.

 

[Chi's Finest]

After their little Ness screwup I don't particularly trust brawl central anymore.

What is screwed up about Ness? I posted a translation, it's correct, everyone agrees on it, where is the screw up?

 

[Dry Bones]

meh, you know, im not in denial. i really liked marth and ness, but this is probably true