ZHMT
Smash Lord
If your talking about what I think your talking about, yeah thats all you do.
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Marth on the Ledge: Traps Against You and Your Opponent
- Thread starter Steel
- Start date
Pr0phetic
Dodge the bullets!
He read his opponent well who tried to stall.
if you can read their get up just fsmash
_Kadaj_
Smash Hero
What about Boss, Famous, or Monk lol
I think Judge Judy is kinda like a steel2nd
I think Judge Judy is kinda like a steel2nd
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
Ah, I see thanks for the feed back.
Inle~Orichas
Smash Journeyman
Very nice thread.
I never thought that Marth had such a problem getting back onto the stage seeing as he has so many options to stall on the ledge until this thread broke it down to facts.
One thing I'd like to see is a very detailed description of what Marth can do to guard the opponent from getting on the stage. I wonder just how many options Marth has, and which one generally covers most of the methods your opponent will use to make it all the more difficult for you to keep him off the stage.
I can guess that simply shielding at the last moment leaves you able to do a variety of things, but I'd like to see what other people have in mind.
I never thought that Marth had such a problem getting back onto the stage seeing as he has so many options to stall on the ledge until this thread broke it down to facts.
One thing I'd like to see is a very detailed description of what Marth can do to guard the opponent from getting on the stage. I wonder just how many options Marth has, and which one generally covers most of the methods your opponent will use to make it all the more difficult for you to keep him off the stage.
I can guess that simply shielding at the last moment leaves you able to do a variety of things, but I'd like to see what other people have in mind.
Remzi
formerly VaBengal
If you play gay and plank it's not that hard to get on.
Punishment Divine
Smash Champion
_Kadaj_
Smash Hero
lol I said that already NEO I was just thinking that second part to my self rofl
Remzi
formerly VaBengal
what you all said about takes sig o_O
****, one of the cutest asians i've seen
****, one of the cutest asians i've seen
ZHMT
Smash Lord
Genius Viet...genius...
_Kadaj_
Smash Hero
they just make the cutetist little faces when they're tounging your balls lmao 
Punishment Divine
Smash Champion
Not Another Teen Movie references? In MY Marth boards?they just make the cutetist little faces when they're tounging your balls lmao
_Kadaj_
Smash Hero
lmao that's like the funniest thing they say in that movie beside when they're talking about the paint on her overalls and stuff
Edit: it also partially comes from real life experiences
Edit: it also partially comes from real life experiences
ZHMT
Smash Lord
Its all over xD
Punishment Divine
Smash Champion
Im sorry Steel.
Please accept this motivational picture as my apology
Please accept this motivational picture as my apology
Peons...
Keep the spam to video thread
and out of mah threads plz
Keep the spam to video thread
and out of mah threads plz
For on the ledge, I would recommend a DJ nair then roll behind, then begin spacing.
For ledge guarding I find giving falcos a hard time to decide whether to phantasm or roll is the best option. For mostly all characters all Id do is stand just outside ledge attack range and just inside roll range, facing the opposite side of the ledge on a stage with a platform above e.g BF. If your versing someone who finds it hard to grab onto the ledge fsmash and dtilts are best for edgeguarding and I would highly recommend that you dont keep fairing them away from the stage unless at high %, because this will give them a higher oppurtunity to recover.
For ledge guarding I find giving falcos a hard time to decide whether to phantasm or roll is the best option. For mostly all characters all Id do is stand just outside ledge attack range and just inside roll range, facing the opposite side of the ledge on a stage with a platform above e.g BF. If your versing someone who finds it hard to grab onto the ledge fsmash and dtilts are best for edgeguarding and I would highly recommend that you dont keep fairing them away from the stage unless at high %, because this will give them a higher oppurtunity to recover.
SmashLumpy
Smash Rookie
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This is really helpful for someone like me who is worst at the ledge with any character.Thanks!
Dogg/Naoki/Suzaku
Smash Apprentice
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If you want to space at the edge you can release the ledge and fair for a little space. It can get predictable if you use it too often and your opponent can edge-hog you. Just helping out ^^
Remzi
formerly VaBengal
Thats like the 39th time its been mentioned
Orion*
Smash Researcher
or you just cancel the glide attack, and then nair you or w/e after the counter animation is done. i remember i kept doing this to you in a friendly and you was confuzzled v_v
but friendlies are friendlies lmfao. trolling the marth boards is interesting. you guys get more done than allot of others.
BacklashMarth
Smash Lord
Fsmash says moshi moshi.
legion598
Smash Ace
u should have in here that marth can instantly interrupt a ledge jumps with U smash its also great for stopping falcos shenanigans
its bump all my threads day, for refreshers and for the newcomers to the board.
BBoyindo
Smash Ace
Emblem lord style
But i agree it is good for new players and just useful to read again.I didn't notice it being mentioned so I would like to add this tid bit concerning Marth vs MK on the ledge.
if marth gets to the very end of the stage and rolls backwards, it gives him the right spacing to cover 2 of mk's options for getting back on the stage -
one being the "climbing up from the ledge attack" which he will whiff and then you can then hit him tippered fsmash.
the other being the "roll onto the stage climb" which he will do that roll after climbing from the ledge thing and you can then hit him with untipped fsmash/dsmash. (Other options may work as well)
Correct me if im wrong but I believe these work indefinately on mk and on flat stages - not sure about the rest of the cast/stages. Obviously a smart mk player knows they can still either just standard climb up or jump from the ledge - but at least your somewhat limiting them. Plus if you can bait them into trying the climb up attack - they are in for some epic punishment.
(like stand/land/spot dodge at edge -> roll back to avoid climb up from ledge attack -> fsmash tipped -> mk *****)
if marth gets to the very end of the stage and rolls backwards, it gives him the right spacing to cover 2 of mk's options for getting back on the stage -
one being the "climbing up from the ledge attack" which he will whiff and then you can then hit him tippered fsmash.
the other being the "roll onto the stage climb" which he will do that roll after climbing from the ledge thing and you can then hit him with untipped fsmash/dsmash. (Other options may work as well)
Correct me if im wrong but I believe these work indefinately on mk and on flat stages - not sure about the rest of the cast/stages. Obviously a smart mk player knows they can still either just standard climb up or jump from the ledge - but at least your somewhat limiting them. Plus if you can bait them into trying the climb up attack - they are in for some epic punishment.
(like stand/land/spot dodge at edge -> roll back to avoid climb up from ledge attack -> fsmash tipped -> mk *****)
BobSmith006
Smash Cadet
A couple things I like to do from the ledge: pop down, jump, do the first 2 or 3 Dancing Blade attacks (not allowing myself back on stage, but falling straight down), then Dolphin Slash back up to the edge. Or pop down, jump, then use Shieldbreaker. It moves you forward enough that you'll just barely land on stage. I think it'd be kind of a surprise too.
*shrugs* Meh. Maybe they're just stupid options and I'm an idiot. I don't know.
*shrugs* Meh. Maybe they're just stupid options and I'm an idiot. I don't know.
Pr0phetic
Dodge the bullets!
Those really aren't safe, I'm surprised you don't get gimped or stage spiked 0.o
I've found Ledge-hopped counters to be semi-useful, in both edge-guarding and recovering. Randomly when you Ledge-hop them it'll also send them behind you, reversing the situation. Oh, and slightly offtopic, does anyone have the link for the Marth throw %'s to true combos thread? Kefka-Marth needs moar Fsmashes.
PK-ow!
Smash Lord
Please remove or alter the second of these sentences. It's absurdly untrue.
feardragon64
Smash Champion
It is? Please explain. Obviously the explanation for the other side is in the OP. Just curious why you think otherwise?
Because he has Ness bias obviously.
But I prefer only speaking about viable characters.
But I prefer only speaking about viable characters.
Thunder Of Zeus
*Rumble Rumble*
ive found that people will sometimes get really aggressive when I'm on the ledge, so I can:
backtap> Y (jump)> Down+B> DS ledge sweetspot. Mind you: this should never be done on your first time on the ledge against a new opponent. try some of the strats already listed here and notice your opponent's tendancies before doing something so punishable. But if it's successful, you will have space to breathe and recover.
backtap> Y (jump)> Down+B> DS ledge sweetspot. Mind you: this should never be done on your first time on the ledge against a new opponent. try some of the strats already listed here and notice your opponent's tendancies before doing something so punishable. But if it's successful, you will have space to breathe and recover.
KRiMz0N
Smash Journeyman
PK-ow!
Smash Lord
Ness bias is probably the reason I'm here saying anything about it.
It's not the reason I disbelieve the claim.
Let's list characters in a similar or worse position to Marth: Link, Ness, Olimar, and Ivysaur. Not many.
It's when you allow the argument "x has so few options and every option can be punished" that you can call the same for any of Diddy, Charizard, Zelda, Ike, and even Game & Watch. I don't want to speak beyond my ken but I can see that property applying to Snake, Ice Climbers, and I'll bet Yoshi.
Self-identifying as "one of the worst" when you always have (a) ledgestalling with Dolphin slash, and (b) Fair, reflects a.... an expectation that you were somehow supposed to be better off, that just makes Marth boards look like whiners.
You've got some of the nicer things available to you among the characters that don't have a special maneuver (or ranged attack) they can perform from the ledge. Characters that strike me as being strong much in this way are Lucario and Pikachu, but that's it. It happens that many characters can do something special from the ledge (e.g. shoot onstage quickly, fly, float), but not so many that everyone else is each "one of the worst."
Not unless you remove "x has an unpunishable ledge option" from the requirements for being 'one of the better', and accept Marth has a pretty good cut, along with everyone else who has decent tools there.