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[A2ZOMG]

Throws dont work on ICs
Also, I too bored/tired of Marth.

Grabbing the ICs is actually stupidly good. You just have to know what you're doing.

Main thing which has G&W and Marth beat Mario is there very good range and disjoints. Marth does better because he is really fast. Pikachu suffers from the same range problem Mario does but has a couple of better options and doesn't have the blind spot Mario has.

G&W also edgeguards significantly better than Marth does.

Mario isn't bad at all vs. ICs btw. All you do is fireball camp and jump around platforms (chances are you will start on BF and I would probably CP them to either Brinstar or Lylat so that I have platforms). ICs will chase you and try and hit you with a Uair through the platform. Dodge, punish, separate, destroy Nana, destroy Popo. Repeat

I never said Mario was bad against the ICs. I said Falco does in fact have very good tools for dealing with the ICs. And especially if you're going against the ICs on stages they prefer (FD obviously, YI and Halberd are also more IC friendly imo), Falco is more adept at this matchup.

 

[Jimmyfosho]

As long as marth outranges the majority of Mario's moves and has the speed to apply those to his advantage marth is a harder character for Mario than gw. Also marth (one that actually knows the mu) ***** pikachu easily pika's worst mu

 

[Boofy!]

Jada Fire. It's for all the balck people that are naturally good with Mario.


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thanks

10char

 

[Calebyte]

For some reason I like fighting Marth, and I don't have a lot of trouble with him either. I think it's because Marth is a very straightforward, basic character. No gimmicks. I hate fighting GaW because dumb stuff happens and I don't know what to do. I'd probably go Marth vs Gaw anyway.

 

[Inferno3044]

As long as marth outranges the majority of Mario's moves and has the speed to apply those to his advantage marth is a harder character for Mario than gw. Also marth (one that actually knows the mu) ***** pikachu easily pika's worst mu

I've heard that Lucario really shuts down Pikachu.

For some reason I like fighting Marth, and I don't have a lot of trouble with him either. I think it's because Marth is a very straightforward, basic character. No gimmicks. I hate fighting GaW because dumb stuff happens and I don't know what to do. I'd probably go Marth vs Gaw anyway.

1. I like fighting Marth as well and it's the MU I have the most experience in. Marth can shut down Mario with ease. As long as the Marth knows what to do, it'll be really easy for him to win. Some of G&W's moves, although long range, long lasting, and low end lag, have a slow start up. I'm mainly talking about his kill moves. You just have to play cautious and patient. It's not too bad.

 

[Jimmyfosho]

I've heard that Lucario really shuts down Pikachu.

Lucario is a bad matchup for Pikachu, but I'm fairly certain Marth is harder for Pikachu than Lucario. I'll ask my friend later on for a clarification.

 

[phi1ny3]

If you ask ESAM/K Prime about that, you'll hear otherwise.

 

[Jimmyfosho]

o dam who brought the lucario in? lol hi

 

[JuxtaposeX]

If you ask ESAM/K Prime about that, you'll hear otherwise.

No, this is true. Lucario beats Pikachu.

Pikachu is a 300 stat pokemon; while Lucario has a total of 525 stats. That's a 225 stat difference!
PIKACHU - LUCARIO
HITPTS: 35 - 70
ATTAK: 55 - 110
DEFENC: 30 - 70
SP.ATK: 50 - 115
SP.DEF: 40 - 70
SPEED : 90 - 90

Their types don't really have any advantages or disadvantages against each other, and regardless of moveset, Lucario clearly ***** Pikachu in every aspect except speed. You can paralyze him, but he'll still **** you in the end.

 

[condemned_soul]

at 0% against fox, is Fthrow>fireball legit? i dont have anyone to play except on wifi for now so im going to ask a lot of questions

 

[A2ZOMG]

Nah, but F-throw -> regrab or reverse F-smash IS legit. Unfortunately F-smash only combos on Fox.

 

[Jimmyfosho]

I thought the fthrow has to be really stale for it to work.

 

[A2ZOMG]

F-throw at 0% does not induce tumble on any character. Fresh F-throw can get one guaranteed regrab on a few characters from 0%, or on Fox, a guaranteed reverse F-smash.

Stale F-throw however can chaingrab a few characters to like 25%. Then against against Fox, you finish the chaingrab with a reverse F-smash to deal over 40% to him.

Dash Shield canceled grabs are required for regrabs, so there is a random chance of a trip ruining your chaingrabs.

 

[SKidd]

Too bad no one uses Fox

 

[Fire!]

F-throw at 0% does not induce tumble on any character. Fresh F-throw can get one guaranteed regrab on a few characters from 0%.

Hmm. Which ones?

 

[Inferno3044]

Too bad no one uses Fox

NJ has a really good Fox main.

 

[Coolwhip]

Well, me & my crew is coming out with a combo video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeWdx6K4Fjs&feature=player_embedded

^ That's the trailer. Enjoy. Oh, btw, ya boy kick off the trailer.

<--Da bess

 

[A2ZOMG]

Hmm. Which ones?

Besides Fox, I'm pretty sure you can chaingrab Falco with F-throw. Famous said that you could chaingrab some heavies with F-throw, but I'm not certain about it yet.

 

[JuxtaposeX]

Needs to be staled :/

 

[A2ZOMG]

Doesn't need to be stale if you're only looking to do one regrab at 0%. And trust me, that extra 9% makes a significant difference when doing D-throw combos. Especially against Fox and Falco.

 

[Calebyte]

Fox mains are starting to become more common. Zeton from Kansas is crazy good.

Besides Fox, I'm pretty sure you can chaingrab Falco with F-throw. Famous said that you could chaingrab some heavies with F-throw, but I'm not certain about it yet.

o_O say what? Does this require boost grabbing or any special inputs?

 

[A2ZOMG]

You F-throw, you dash, then you shieldgrab. Dashgrab is too slow. It has to be a dash shieldgrab.

 

[Calebyte]

Interesting. I'll test this tonight. What about other fast fallers? Wolf and Sheik perhaps?

 

[A2ZOMG]

Not really sure, generally speaking the reason why it works on Fox and Falco is because they are both fastfallers and they are lightweight. In Smash, the timing to combo lightweights out of throws at low percents is more lenient since you get out of throw animation faster against lightweights.

 

[SN Viper]

Will you marios watch this vid and tell me if you belive this is stalling or air camping . and what is the line between the 2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ilp5c7ZaTcM

 

[Jimmyfosho]

air camping imo.

 

[Fire!]

Air camping as the Jiggs still actually did take an offensive at times.

 

[Inferno3044]

He didn't make it impossible to hit him. Just really hard. Nothing illegal about it.

 

[JuxtaposeX]

Would have been stalling if he flew as high as he could and did nothing but rising pounds all game. He might have, the entire match was too horrible to watch.

 

[lilchrome850]

you can just run up and jump. right in front of them. theyll sheild or sidestep mostly. you can DI backwards just in case too. or jump forward using back air.

 

[Coolwhip]

We marios need to talk about the "Wavebounce" fireballz tech. Anyone here knows to do it?

 

[BSP]

Is that when you input fire ball, but mash the control stick in the other direction so you change directions?

 

[Coolwhip]

Is that when you input fire ball, but mash the control stick in the other direction so you change directions?

Sounds like it. But i was told that the tech is "very tricky" to pull off.

 

[JuxtaposeX]

Nah, its pretty easy to pull off. It's great for escaping juggles. You don't need to mash the control stick either, you can just tilt it SLIGHTLY in the opposite direction, then fireball and you should wavebounce it. If you tilt it too much though, you'll cape instead. It's pretty well known already. The only tricky part about it is to not tilt it too much during battle, which I still can't do very consistently.

I think the only thing we're missing is Cape Teleport and/or f-tilt slide.

 

[fromundaman]

Oops... I thought that was called a B reverse, and that the wavebounce was what Lucas does during his PKfire which we can do to a certain extent (Run in a direction, then move backwards when you shoot a fireball in said direction.
The latter is trickier, but they both work on the same basic mechanic.

 

[JuxtaposeX]

I'm pretty sure that they're the same things. As for the other fireball thing, you mean like RARing, and then throwing a fireball?

 

[fromundaman]

No, one of them reverses your direction and the direction you face/throw a fireball in, whereas the other makes you reverse your momentum while still facing/shooting the same direction (What lucas players do). Hard to explain, but yeah, I've heard both terms used for both of them so IDK.

 

[JuxtaposeX]

Oh, I get what you mean now. Basically, you mean its like your definition of b-reversal but you're still facing the same direction, but you're still bouncing backwards. I've seen Snakes and Pikachus do it with their DownB moves. I don't know if thats even possible for Mario, I never ever seen it happen. I always thought both those terms meant the same thing. ((and still kinda do.))


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[Calebyte]

Sorry, I made it in the DR.

It's pretty awesome though, you should all get premium and go see it! :D

 

[JuxtaposeX]

:'(

10sadfaces