Official Mario Enigma Machine [1.1.1] Patch Notes

[Vipermoon]

Luigi up-b 2 (aerial and ground) initial hitbox had this:
size=3.799999952316284
y=6.0
x=6.400000095367432
changed to this:
size=4.0
y=5.5
x=7.0

Luigi down b 3 got the same buffs as doc's.

Luigi D-smash part 1 kbg 80 -> 85
Luigi D-smash part 2 kbg 100 -> 104

Luigi down-b initial hitboxes hitlag 1.0x -> 1.3x
Luigi down-b final hitboxes kbg 130 -> 120, the 90 angle hitbox changed to angle 89.

Luigi d-throw growth 30 -> 83, base 75 -> 55.

Luigi dair spike hitbox size 1.8 -> 2.5

So for a fact Luigi's dash grab isn't laggier? It seemed really laggy when I tried it and it's supposed to be FAF 36.

 

[NimbusSpark]

Boy quit complain'! We all know Lucina's broke as f**k a*s deserved those nerfs. *snicker* :^)

It's not nerf Greninja, it's nerf Lucina!

Please don't let this become a new thing.
First we have people complaining about if their mains had recieved any changes whilst our man Thinkaman here is trying to put in the hard work to give us that data. And now we've got people trying to make jokes just in hope so they become popular.
If you want to do that stuff, please do it somewhere else.
Because this thread is for finding out the information of characters in the recent patch, not for making redundant jokes.
In the immortal words of Professor Oak, 'There is a time and place for everything, but not now!'

Besides, the Better Nerf Greninja joke died ages ago. It's just not funny any more.

 

[Xeze]

So many custom move changes but is Palutena's Leightweight glitch is still there?

 

[GamerGuy09]

Luigi up-b 2 (aerial and ground) initial hitbox had this:
size=3.799999952316284
y=6.0
x=6.400000095367432
changed to this:
size=4.0
y=5.5
x=7.0

Luigi down b 3 got the same buffs as doc's.

Luigi D-smash part 1 kbg 80 -> 85
Luigi D-smash part 2 kbg 100 -> 104

Luigi down-b initial hitboxes hitlag 1.0x -> 1.3x
Luigi down-b final hitboxes kbg 130 -> 120, the 90 angle hitbox changed to angle 89.

Luigi d-throw growth 30 -> 83, base 75 -> 55.

Luigi dair spike hitbox size 1.8 -> 2.5

That dair spike hitbox means a lot, it is now more consistent to hit probably.

 

[Dinoman96]

So many custom move changes but is Palutena's Leightweight glitch is still there?

Tried it, no i don't think so.

 

[thehard]

Thinkaman , when you say "no other changes" for a character does that exclude possible landing lag changes?

 

[DanGR]

Rosalina down-b 3 is 1 frame faster, technically 1.5. Rosalina side b 2 ends significantly faster. Rosalina Rapid jab damage from 2.0 to 1.7 I THINK; not sure, no idea what other repeating frame-1-subroutine Magic 2% hitbox Rosalina had.

Doing side-by-side comparison now.

Confirming that down-b 3 and side-b 2 have lower cooldowns.
And Rosalina's rapid jab indeed does a little bit less damage.

---

That frame shaved off of Guardian Luma enables Rosalina to short hop->guardian luma->perfect lunar-landed aerial.

 

[Pib319]

Dying to hear about the changes made with Link, might just have to wait til tomorrow.

I want to say something was changed with the first hit of his back air but it might just be placebo.

 

[FUEGO!]

Luigi dair spike hitbox size 1.8 -> 2.5

Um, just tested this, and holy **** it feels like Melee Falco's Dair...

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

Nair always combo'd off downthrow

I'm pretty sure he means that both kicks combo off DThrow consistently.

 

[Zionaze]

Um, just tested this, and holy **** it feels like Melee Falco's Dair...

No plz making me jealous. ;.:

 

[uns4fe]

I'm pretty sure he means that both kicks combo off DThrow consistently.

Both hits connected before too at low percents (which is the time dthrow nair works)

At higher percents is when nair wasnt that good and wouldnt connect

 

[SadRobot]

I have a possible change. I can't confirm or deny this as I lack a second wii u or 3ds setup.

I believe that random input delay may have been in smash 4 from 1.0.0 to 1.1.0 and I think it may have been either entirely removed or altered in 1.11.

Either that or they somehow reduced the delay on button press to -> action time by either increasing the poll rate or some other iffy change.

I doubt that this change would be listed or verifiable but I know this could be tested by somebody with 2 equal setups (1 pre 1.11 the other on 1.11)

I know the community is going to call "placebo", this is why I am saying its a possible change.

I first noticed it when playing dr.mario. He felt so much more responsive I thought they must have buffed his data until I tried other characters.

Every single character feels noticeably more responsive to me, even the heavyweights with bad frame data like Dedede and Bowser, as well as the high tiers with fast frame data.

Anyways, all I ask is that people don't take this is as placebo or troll post. I have been playing this game on the lowest current Ben Q on the market since release.

Controller used was a gamecube.

Thread link: http://smashboards.com/threads/possible-major-unlisted-change-to-sm4sh-engine.419104/

 

[FUEGO!]

That dair spike hitbox means a lot, it is now more consistent to hit probably.

It is very significant, I am landing Dair spikes easier than I ever have before. Another thing to note: all they did was take away Luigi's downthrow that was magic and replace it with Mario's. In other words, so far it's weight dependent, but Down throw to Uptilt works in a repetitive fashion such as Mario's bnb.

 

[Thinkaman]

Link up-b 2 got a bunch of hitbox upgrades: does 16% from 14%, 11/2% from 9%, has some new 14% hitboxes, 8% from 7%, 6% from 5%. No other changes.

Kirby Ice Breath has the hitboxes moved forward slightly. The 6% hitbox angle was changed 40 -> 30, bkb 50 -> 40, size 7 -> 7.5.
Kirby aerial side-b 2 wkb 20 -> 50, 2nd hit hitboxes changed in priority to make the 17% hitbox a targeted sweetspot (similar to the previous sheik fair change)
Ditto on the grounded version of Kirby side-b 2. (sweespot)
Kirby had some frame speed multiplier added to make somethign unknown 5 frames faster. No clue.

Ike counter #3 kbg 100 -> 70, bkb 48 -> 90
Ike Eruption
Ike Eruption #2 uncharged does 5% from 1%, the hitboxes last 2 more frames, and the move ends 4 frames faster.
Ike Eruption #2 charged initial windboxes last 2 frames longer and are adjusted backwards a tiny bit; later ones last 3 frames longer total, move ends 4 frames faster
Ike Eruption #2 max charg initial windboxes last 2 frames longer and are adjusted backwards a tiny bit; later ones last 3 frames longer total, move ends 2 frames faster
Ike Eruption #3 uncharged sweetspot size 7.0-> 8.5, adjusted upwards, first hitbox lasts 10 frames from 12, second hitbox lasts 15 frames from 12
Ike Eruption #3 charged sweetspot size 8.0 -> 10.0, adjsuted upwards, first hitbox lasts 14 frames from 16, second hitbox lasts 19 frames from 16
Ike Eruption #3 max charged sweetspot size 10-> 12.5, adjusted upwards, sourspot size 15 -> 16, adjusted upwards, first hitbox lasts 14 frames from 16, second hitbox lasts 19 frames from 16

Ganon nair remade considerably. Very complex change, lots of hitboxes moved around. Initial hitboxes of hit 2 now do 10% from 9%, and 120 kbg from 100.

DK neutral B 1, 2, and 3 no longer does 2 bonus shield damage.
DK side b 1 and 3 do 25 bonus shield damage from 30.

That's a wrap for moveset files, folks. There may be changes to params, such as FAF numbers, but we need dant's dump for that.

 

[Onett Hiko]

i was playing a 7 hour training session with a friend mostly using ZSS and we both had noticed that her neutral air range was nerfed and that booster kick went from doing 13~% to 16%. this was of course after we patched it, although it could be placebo effect since we're both super tired but would like someone to check it out and confirm if she was changed at all.

 

[Thinkaman]

My nonsense change listed for Bowser Jr. jab was actually 14 frames off of the cooldown of Neutral B 3, sorry about that.

 

[Shaya]

i was playing a 7 hour training session with a friend mostly using ZSS and we both had noticed that her neutral air range was nerfed and that booster kick went from doing 13~% to 16%. this was of course after we patched it, although it could be placebo effect since we're both super tired but would like someone to check it out and confirm if she was changed at all.

We're pretty certain neither of those things would've/could've changed. Personally I saw no damage differences, a fresh boost kick has always done 16% (2x uair -> boostkick is 32% in training mode).

 

[FUEGO!]

So, with the fact that Luigi now has Mario's Down Throw (basically), you can go for Dthrow Up air strings just like Mario, and then condition them to start air dodging them, and get a double jump up B instead. #LuigiNotDeadYet

 

[ZeroJanitor]

I tested Fox's throws:
fthrow: 4.0% first hit, 3.0% second hit
bthrow: 2.0% throw, 2.0% per laser (8.0% total)
uthrow: 2.0% throw, 2.0% per laser (8.0% total)
dthrow: 1.0% throw, 2.0% per laser (7.0% total)

Unchanged from previous versions.

 

[Deleted member]

Toon Link only has a single change to custom up-b 2 on the ground--it has 6 hitboxes instead of 1, they all seem stronger than before, one of them does 11% instead of 10%.

I was looking at this on my updated Wii U and prepatch 3DS, and it seems to me like upb2 also moves farther on the ground, assuming FD is the same (other than obvious things like the blastzones) in both versions. Or would you have found any changes with its distance?

Pictures I took of Toon Link's spot after using two grounded upb2s from the very end of FD:

Spoiler

Pre-patch 3DS:

Post-patch Wii U:

 

[Pib319]

Link up-b 2 got a bunch of hitbox upgrades: does 16% from 14%, 11/2% from 9%, has some new 14% hitboxes, 8% from 7%, 6% from 5%. No other changes.

I was wondering when the electric one would get buffed, ever since the normal one got buffed it did just as much damage as the custom electric. Looks like Sakurai finally got around to making it better. All in all can't say I'm too disappointed with Link, as long as he doesn't get nerfed I'm happy.

 

[Horseketchup]

This is actually awesome that to compensate for the loss of luigi's dthrow cyclone they buffed dair, and I guess up-b has an easier to land hitbox too. This will make for a more interesting playstyle imo, changing up how the character plays without just simply nerfing him. I'll take offstage spikes and shoryu kills over that one overpowered grab setup.

 

[Kienamaru]

Odd. You mentioned that Robin had some fsm changes but never got into that? I hope they sped something up...

 

[shadowlink3]

Someone compile all of the post Thinkaman did and make a quote so we can direct link to it

 

[Jamurai]

Thanks a lot Thinkaman for your hard work.

 

[WRECK-IT MUNDO]

Wario | Wed 01:56 |

• Garlic Breath (U-Special 2) start up increased by 1 frame?

|

I'm pretty sure it's "Garlic Breath N-special 3 start up increased by 1 frame?"

 

[Catana]

I was wondering when the electric one would get buffed, ever since the normal one got buffed it did just as much damage as the custom electric. Looks like Sakurai finally got around to making it better. All in all can't say I'm too disappointed with Link, as long as he doesn't get nerfed I'm happy.

Uthrow knockback is nerfed

 

[Kon]

Comparing the damage from Olimar with Myran's guide http://smashboards.com/threads/pikmin-management-and-more-a-ssb4-guide-to-olimar.374924/

I found out that the dthrow does less damage with each Pikmin color. Means:
Dthrow 6% -> 5% (red)
Dthrow 8% -> 7% (yellow)
Dthrow 12% -> 11% (blue)
Dthrow von 8% auf 7% (white)
Dthrow von 8% auf 7% (purple)

 

[Zionaze]

"Your off your game Shaya"

 

[ReRaze]

For all the shield breaker changes, How is charge affected? Like if I'm not mistaken Max charge is 50 Shield Damage, Is it still 50? or is it 45 or something? What about half charges and such?

Apologies if I missed a post explaining it earlier or something.

 

[Pegasus Knight]

Since I suspect more than a few of us may be confused by this... what exactly do 'frame speed multiplier' changes infer, when you tell us a character such as Robin has these? Anything we can manually help test once we know what they are?

EDIT: Clicked the wrong button, wasn't finished talking yet. Ah, thank you for going through all this stuff so fast Thinkaman , it's a big help!

 

[FUEGO!]

Thinkaman Did the angle on Luigi's Downthrow change as a result of the knockback changes? Looking at Mario's frame data, they literally just made Luigi's downthrow match his brothers, but it's tailored to his height. I'm wondering if this changes the trajectory angle because going from 80° to something like 68° (Mario's) or under would be a drastic change.

 

[NEKO']

Don't quote me on this but, i've been testing rosalina's upair on prepatch and after patch.
on Ike starting on 0%.
Dthrow-->uair(sweetspot) -->Uair(sweetspot) 37% total (this is 1.1.1)
Dthrow -->uair(sweetspot) -->Uair(sourspot) 32% total (this is 1.1.0)
is her uair sweetspot easier to hit?
pretty sure this is placebo but would love someone else to test this.

 

[Thinkaman]

Thinkaman Did the angle on Luigi's Downthrow change as a result of the knockback changes? Looking at Mario's frame data, they literally just made Luigi's downthrow match his brothers, but it's tailored to his height. I'm wondering if this changes the trajectory angle because going from 80° to something like 68° (Mario's) or under would be a drastic change.

Nope!

Don't quote me on this but, i've been testing rosalina's upair on prepatch and after patch.
on Ike starting on 0%.
Dthrow-->uair(sweetspot) -->Uair(sweetspot) 37% total (this is 1.1.1)
Dthrow -->uair(sweetspot) -->Uair(sourspot) 32% total (this is 1.1.0)
is her uair sweetspot easier to hit?
pretty sure this is placebo but would love someone else to test this.

Nope!

 

[Yonder]

This is actually awesome that to compensate for the loss of luigi's dthrow cyclone they buffed dair, and I guess up-b has an easier to land hitbox too. This will make for a more interesting playstyle imo, changing up how the character plays without just simply nerfing him. I'll take offstage spikes and shoryu kills over that one overpowered grab setup.

Well...dair spike increase is kind of eh since the d throw increased growth set up for it makes it harder to set up the spike. And the hitbox for up b is only for the custom up b firey ump punch...which still stinks. (People do underestimate how potent jab to up b is though which was unchanged thank Arceus.) what we DID gain for Luigi was d throw to up b grounded on fast fallers only at 0 percent, so that's a free 31% at least. And a slightly stronger d smash but u smash is still superior

 

[NEKO']

Nope!



Nope!

ah alright, thanks.

 

[Ambler]

For all the shield breaker changes, How is charge affected? Like if I'm not mistaken Max charge is 50 Shield Damage, Is it still 50? or is it 45 or something? What about half charges and such?

Apologies if I missed a post explaining it earlier or something.

I'm very curious about this too, the fact that there seem to have been a few attacks changed to be weaker on shield sort of implies that shields might be weaker overall as well? I don't remember reading anything about it so far but it would sorta explain a bit, as a pretty major discussion has been shields lasting too long/being too safe.

 

[Espy Rose]

First time since vanilla that Sonic hasn't been nerfed. Awesome.
Any data on Little Mac? I didn't see him in the dis-confirmed list either.

 

[Thinkaman]

First time since vanilla that Sonic hasn't been nerfed. Awesome.
Any data on Little Mac? I didn't see him in the dis-confirmed list either.

Tiny buff to neutral b 3. *pinkiepieshrug.jpg*