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You forgot D3 lives till 200 percent every stock--and grabs everything peach can do. ><
i second marth and its actually working out pretty well for those tricky matchups
Mario is Mario. He's literally your average plumber in just about every aspect of a character in Brawl, except for his feeble recovery. This is why he doesn't compete with higher tiers like Olimar, Wario, and especially King Dedede, with his standing infinite on him. Pikachu is a better secondary than Mario to be honest, because he covers King Dedede and somewhat Olimar, while Mario.... uh I don't want to finish that sentence.
There's no such thing as a second main, you'd call that a secondary...and Olimar sure as hell counters Donkey Kong.
True and then false. D3 does live to high percents, but you can punish his recovery with a Usmash and you can easily force him into UpB at higher percents. Also, wtf, shield-grabbing Peach is a foreign concept. Her floating makes her safe on block against almost everyone, which is one of the reasons she's so good vs. Olimar in the first place. Secondly, her Fair is basically the definition of safe on block. She also has a fairly good projectile.
Olimar definitely counters DK. You can shield camp the hell outta him, and actually have kill moves against him. He also is a huge target for Pikman Toss. Mario does good against Olimar and Wario though, what are you talking about, lol? He loses to D3 because D3's massive grab bullies him pretty bad, and that Bair harasses him as well. Outside the infinite though, he loses to D3 for the same reason that the most of the characters who lose to D3 do. Mario's recovery also isn't that bad at all. I rarely get gimped as Mario in any MU. His high priority UpB has invincibility and he falls slowly with decent mobility. He also has fireballs and cape stalling to protect him, and can turn around to use Bair with fireball or cape. His recovery is fine. His problem is actually landing K.O.s and his lack of range, especially on the grab. He also has a difficult time punishing well.
thank you, someone has some sense of the match up.
He's a second main because I don't know what character I'm best with. To call him a secondary would give people the wrong impression.
DownB is easily able to be reacted to with jump OOS, Pikman Toss, Fair. In a MU where you rely on DownB, you're losing. Cargoing to offstage throws isn't reliable on any character, because they can mash out into a free footstool, and DK is dead. Especially since the "hold up" exploit was discovered. Meanwhile, getting a grab on Olimar with DK isn't the easiest thing, since Olimar can shield and then either grab or Usmash OOS. You have no reliable approaches, which forces you to approach from the air, and he can grab even your most spaced of moves.
lol, if DK does his down B and Olimar shields it, unless Olimar is really near he can't jump and fair, because it pushes him back and has huge range. Pikmin toss also doesn't matter (it will do like 5 % or something), unless it's a violet one (and even then it isn't that strong). DK doesn't rely on down B, because if he's using it too much it obviously will get countered by spamming side B and being in the air. DK has more options than that. It's true that a shielding Olimar is pretty safe against DK, but DK can do an aerial side B, a grounded upB, a giant punch (with SA) (DK should have a charged punch in this matchup, so the Olimar will want to shield if DK appraoches), and he can also land and grab Olimar, if he's expecting the wrong thing.
on paper olimar seems to destroy DK. but in reality, he does not.
Ever talked about that with a Snake main?
This is true. I never really found Mario to be a good secondary. There's always a character better suitable than him to cover someone's bad match-ups, despite the fact he goes even/slight advantage/slight disadvantage with 70% of the cast.
I have yet to feel the wrath of an infinite, so I'll say what I've always been saying: It's not the infinite that makes the matchup so bad, it's DDD's grab range. Mario's approaches just get shut down easily from being grabbed too much. The chaingrab/infinite is just kicking you while you're down.
this + Kirby (and sometimes zelda lol) = my strategy for DK's hard MU's
Olimar is a counter for D3. lol I think.
