Mafia All Stars: In the end, it was Nothing Special

[giraffelasergun]

I want your thoughts on people and pretty much everyone at this point. Who we should lynch if we miraculously do not go for you? Who do you find scummy (more than one if you have)? When you are at L-2/L-1 you need to claim. Bring up any of the Gaston/Rabbit ears or any other form of WIFOM I will disregard it. If you mention BY, do so without mentioning the word "skim" in any form of the word.

I'll go ahead and start off by saying right now I find Nich, LL, OS, and BY as the four most scummy players at this moment.

First of all, Nich began a rather pointless argument about how BY wasn't really reading the thread much. It was fine at first but how Nich's 118 seems insulting and more along the lines of 'I'm trying to make it look like I have someone who I think is scum but I know he isn't' since BY made an honest mistake with the 10 out of 18 bit but Nich just lashed on about it right away. I could understand if Nich gave BY a response before he reacted so strongly but he didn't. Nich also felt it necessary to direct the Doc and call you super ultimate town.

LL doesn't really seem to do much except for post every once in a while responding to direct questions but I don't think he's offer much of an opinion off of anyone.

OS I think has ideas he's hiding from us for one reason or another either because he's too busy to fully develop them or he wants to hide from day 1 and come out on day two using the action of every person to his advantage while all we have on him is that he prod dodged as much as he could except to respond/make remarks about Nich.

BY is mostly on my list because of the way he reacted to the J and Nich votes, since his first reaction was YALL ARE BOTH SCUM! and didn't really seem to have much logic.

Everyone else is either not nearly as scummy as those four and or I just have no read on them.

And now to tackle the BSL Case!

 

[X1-12]

btw people, from what I know about LL from other areas, his posting and lack thereof is not indicative of his alignment. i'd almost rather leave him today and hope he can get vigged. i'll have to think about it though

 

[mentosman8]

looks like a lot to read since Monday, I'll be reading back to the end a while later, need to take a break after catching my other gamesXD Two of the four move extremely fast

 

[#HBC | Mac]

been a bit busy lately

ill read up soon

 

[SwordsRbroken]

GLG, i'm not defending nich at all, but what you said about him seems like a parrot of one of zen's earlier posts.

LL or GLG should be the play, i'm thinking LL. Hopefully the potential vig will nail GLG toNight.

unvote vote: Lionel

 

[giraffelasergun]

Unvote Vote LL I think that puts him at l-2 or so.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

We get no reads off of Teran. I much rather go for GLG.

 

[#HBC | J]

i swear to god, no one lynch LL before I can make a post or I will not be so nice D2 >:[

 

[Blue Yoshi]

I'm gone to a smash fest, then I go to work tomorrow, and finish work an hour before the deadline. So... next time I post will be no sooner than like half an hour before the deadline (I may not even be able to post until after).

Slight chance I might come back after the smash night... depending on how tired I am when I arrive (and how late it is). I'll see what I can do.

 

[#HBC | J]

WTH at this LL wagon? I mean really come one how stupid is it? We got absolutely nothing from his lynch and also why not go after Xastres as well who promised to come in with a post now that he was back but nope he hasn't posted since. Xastres = LL atm in my list. You could even say we should vote for Ryker if we really don't wanna get anything out of a lynch.

GLG, your post is a literal parrot of what has been said, you have shown insight to which leads to nothing at all. You have done exactly what BSL had done and hopped on EVERY availble bandwagon. How the hell can Nich be scummy if you have BY being scummy as well? "Nich is scummy and so is BY" that is redundant. Also I want that post NOW. We have just about 24 hours.

@Town: *huge facepalm* WHY THE HECK are we lynching LL? Really, here is the thing, if he doesn't post anymore he will suffer the consequence of a certain punishment plus we can always lynch him tomorrow if he shows nothing at all. Lynching GLG gives insight to people, plus it would not be wasting the day with lynching an inactive. Plus at the way LL is looking he will be modkilled/replaced. No use in lynching him at all. This wagon is stupid and just randomly brought up.

GLG, toDay, now. No more randomly trying to find someone else. GLG needs to die.

 

[Nicholas1024]

@J
I agree that GLG > LL, but I don't think we could get the necessary votes for a lynch in time.

@mod
votecount please

 

[Kirby King]

Day 1 Vote Count
Lionel Luthor (6): frozenflame751, Gheb_01, Macman, Nicholas1024, SwordsRbroken, giraffelasergun
Sephiroths Masamune (2): Overswarm, Xatres
giraffelasergun (2): J, Praxis
Overswarm (2): X1-12, Sephiroths Masamune
Nicholas1024 (2): Blue Yoshi, Zεη

Not voting: mentosman8, Lionel Luthor, Ryker

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

The deadline is Thursday, November 4 at 11:59:59 PM.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Unvote,

Vote: giraffelasergun

 

[giraffelasergun]

GLG, your post is a literal parrot of what has been said, you have shown insight to which leads to nothing at all. You have done exactly what BSL had done and hopped on EVERY availble bandwagon. How the hell can Nich be scummy if you have BY being scummy as well? "Nich is scummy and so is BY" that is redundant. Also I want that post NOW. We have just about 24 hours.

I'm sorry that I agree with other people J. Also, I don't understand why I can't find Nich and BY to be scum both. Just because Nich attacked BY doesn't change the way Nich was playing or the way BY was playing at all. I've seen two wolves distance each other before, is that something that isn't done here? I'm not trying to be mean or anything but I guess we've experienced different metagames. P.s. what post?

I'd rather hit Nich if we aren't going for LL.

 

[#HBC | J]

@nich: you agree as to GLG>LL then WHY THE HECK are you voting LL?!

Also to not being able to get enough votes.....like heck we can't.

Nich, switch your vote. X1, please tell me you've changed your mind on an LL lynch. Swords, switch your vote to GLG. Mentos/Macman, hop on the GLG wagon please, I have got cookies :L

Also @Everyone on the LL wagon. Can ANY of you give me a legitamite reason as to why we should lynch GLG<LL? I want the pros/cons and fair reasonings. How do you all feel about GLG's last post? Why only go after LL when there is also Xastres? Does anyone else see how fast GLG put his vote on LL when he realized he was close to a lynch (being near L-2 which HE should be at)? I mean grrr im so flustered as to why the hell LL is gonna be lynched.

I really cannot believe how easy the town was to sway on LL. Serioulsy i can gaurentee at least 1 mafia member is on that voting list!

Hop off that dumb wagon and come over to the sane side of the town please....this is just ridiculous.

 

[Nicholas1024]

@J
Alright, I'll give it a shot.

Two questions...
Do you think the people responsible for starting the LL wagon are scum, or do you think it's probably the later bandwagoners? Also, will you support me tomorrow against BY?

Unvote, Vote: GLG

5 votes are still needed, let's go people.

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm sorry that I agree with other people J. Also, I don't understand why I can't find Nich and BY to be scum both. Just because Nich attacked BY doesn't change the way Nich was playing or the way BY was playing at all. I've seen two wolves distance each other before, is that something that isn't done here? I'm not trying to be mean or anything but I guess we've experienced different metagames. P.s. what post?

I'd rather hit Nich if we aren't going for LL.

No don't be sorry for that. You are just dping what BSL did hence why you are scum. "yuuuip i agree thats why I find them scummy."

Also at Nich/BY scum-team....wth.....if they are both scum i will, pardon the language, **** bricks. That logic holds no substance. Also now your hoping on the Nich wagon BY/Zen have.....grrrr.

what post? I am asking you about attacking the BSL case I made since he never commented on it! You are still accountable for what he did. Were you honestly thinking that post was enough?

 

[#HBC | J]

@J
Alright, I'll give it a shot.

Two questions...
Do you think the people responsible for starting the LL wagon are scum, or do you think it's probably the later bandwagoners? Also, will you support me tomorrow against BY?

Unvote, Vote: GLG

5 votes are still needed, let's go people.

Nich, it all depends on the flip. With me...gotta give me time to think.

Also BY...,maybe i am still not believing him to be scum just blarg to me. IDK about hand-holding atm with that...

 

[Teran]

I like all your pressure voting, but that's really kinda foolhardy.

No actually, it's not kinda foolhardy, it's ****ing stupid.

But whatever, you'll do what you think is best, and realise that the whole hunt the quiet guy move is a pretty shoddy safety net to fall back on.

As for this whole GLG situation, he has shown absolutely no signs of independent thought, although I'd always attributed scum to being a bit wary of being such a blatant parrot. I mean, scum is meant to play the parrot and wagon game with subtlety, and this is just blatant. I guess I've never seen obvious parroting as a scumtell rather than just mindless and bad play, but OH WELL.

You know who I do find interesting?

J

Yeah, he posts with assertiveness and is pretty much controlling this entire game's discussion. I'm always suspicious of those kinds around D1. Honestly if he's town he's just being really helpful and powering discussion on, but if he's scum he's puppeteering like a don and that's why I raise my eyebrow. So you know what? I'm gonna be watching him,

FoS: J

 

[#HBC | J]

LL, would you vote for GLG? Thank you for finally posting maybe some people will get off your back now ~_~

anyone else besides me you find suspicious?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I like all your pressure voting, but that's really kinda foolhardy.

No actually, it's not kinda foolhardy, it's ****ing stupid.

But whatever, you'll do what you think is best, and realise that the whole hunt the quiet guy move is a pretty shoddy safety net to fall back on.

As for this whole GLG situation, he has shown absolutely no signs of independent thought, although I'd always attributed scum to being a bit wary of being such a blatant parrot. I mean, scum is meant to play the parrot and wagon game with subtlety, and this is just blatant. I guess I've never seen obvious parroting as a scumtell rather than just mindless and bad play, but OH WELL.

You know who I do find interesting?

J

Yeah, he posts with assertiveness and is pretty much controlling this entire game's discussion. I'm always suspicious of those kinds around D1. Honestly if he's town he's just being really helpful and powering discussion on, but if he's scum he's puppeteering like a don and that's why I raise my eyebrow. So you know what? I'm gonna be watching him,

FoS: J

Can we lynch this guy yet? Please?

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm sorry but no. =/

Gheb/Macman, neither of you two explained why you voted for LL. Why should he die over LL. Plus if we are going to lynch inactives i'd rather have Xatres.

Gheb, could you explain why it would be better to keep GLG>LL for D2? What would we learn from LL's lynch? Also explain what you don't like about his most recent post.

FF, your the one who started this wagon with a reasoning of "has this guy done anything." and you urged votes from Gheb and OS. Maybe you can explain why we should lynch LL>GLG.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Do you earnestly believe LL to be any help in the future? Stop dreaming.
If glg is really scum - well duh - we'll find out soon enough.

We have 17 players in this game. Xatres isn't here and will be modkilled or replaced. Glg is here playing this game, trying to help.

LL doesn't try to help but he won't be modkilled either.

LYNCH HIM

 

[SwordsRbroken]

Let LL be potentially vigged tonight. I think GLGs flip will be more useful to us, but i'm willing to lynch either.

unvote vote:giraffelasergun

 

[giraffelasergun]

Also at Nich/BY scum-team....wth.....if they are both scum i will, pardon the language, **** bricks. That logic holds no substance. Also now your hoping on the Nich wagon BY/Zen have.....grrrr.

Just because I think theres a chance both of them are scum doesn't mean they are both scum. Also, I don't understand why you keep on accusing me of hoping on wagons when thats what you/nich have been doing with each other all day.

what post? I am asking you about attacking the BSL case I made since he never commented on it! You are still accountable for what he did. Were you honestly thinking that post was enough?

Hold on let me find it again and I'll respond.

 

[Overswarm]

*dodges prod matrix style*


I think LL could die because he posts in yellow and it hurts my eyes.

 

[Xatres]

Go ahead and replace me out. I'm still having internet issues, which won't be resolved until I'm settled in at home tomorrow. I don't want to hold up the game. Sorry, guys.

 

[giraffelasergun]

Also why did you think OS needed to be brought into activity? At the time you had completely bypassed Macman/Ryker/Mentos/Zen/Teran who were worse then him. Also just pointing out OS and not X1 who could've been grouped in the same boat is a bit weird. This is the most common way for scum to seem more town is by policing inactives, trust me it is what I did in Villain's Mafia as my scum and he is literally falling suit.

You know you're policing inactives now too, right?

1.) I believe the real reason he had pointed it out towards me is because he believes me to possibly be the town leader (? how the f though haha i'm horrid at this game xD) since I am probably the most active and crap and try and state reasons being why I vote very clearly. Also the "cares" part puts me off because it sounds like "eh I got J's attention so anyone else who would like to read can I really don't care."

2.) Your town list. The reason you said you did this is because you mistook yourself for Mentos because you are hydraing in another game. Understandable I guess however there is a little flaw. If you look at Mentos's post he has adressed me directly on who he thinks is town (or gave that good answer as to why he will not) while you put it out there to have everyone else look. You wanted other people to see you make that statement when possibly Praxis or Nich flip town you can say "see! I did say they were town at one point"

BSL probably included the anyone else who cares part so he could get some conversation going and make sure people knew he'd be okay with anyone that wasn't you replying to this. Also I don't get why he decided it be good to call Praxis/Nich town like that either.

I only replied to these parts of your case because I felt The rest of it was attacking his inactive johns and the like which I can't really defend for.

@OS You're going to help tomorrow at least, right?

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

FF, your the one who started this wagon with a reasoning of "has this guy done anything." and you urged votes from Gheb and OS. Maybe you can explain why we should lynch LL>GLG.

Refer to the following, especially bolded:

Whatever though, as much as bullheaded OS is being bullheaded and distinctly unhelpful, I can sympathize with his reasoning. This game is just a giant cluster**** what with the rampant inactivity and replacements. It needs to be thinned before we make any significant forward progress. Despite this being a reasonable justification for his behavior though, I can't tell if he actually believes that he has no reason to contribute, or if he's just using the best justification he can think of for just not really contributing at all. That'll require more analysis later though.

Point is, anyone who is hating on OS should be hating on Lionel much more considering OS is just diet Lionel. LL has explicitly stated he has no reason to contribute and refuses to do so. He didn't even explain when he would started playing. He's just like, "lol **** this game". How does that not warrant pressure? Brofist @ Gheb and Mac for being like the only two people who aren't being distracted by all this tunneling nonsense and general chaos and know how to pressure actually genuinely scummy players.

Do you earnestly believe LL to be any help in the future? Stop dreaming.
If glg is really scum - well duh - we'll find out soon enough.

We have 17 players in this game. Xatres isn't here and will be modkilled or replaced. Glg is here playing this game, trying to help.

LL doesn't try to help but he won't be modkilled either.

LYNCH HIM

Hey OS y u so bad at followin' the rules?

Wish I had the time to go through you and find out what you've been hinting at but I don't atm so I'll here's my best stab at it.

Basically you are currently voting for Sephiroth's Masamune, but that's only because you didn't unvote like the rules say you have to when you tried to vote for J. Otherwise, your vote would be there I think.

Right now though, you should be voting for Lionel Luther, as per my advice.

So yeah, Overswarm, your vote should be on Lionel Luther.

*waves hand in Jedi mind trick fashion*

vote lionel luther

=|

Let's try this again.

Hey OS, you should unvote Sephiroths Masamune and vote for Lionel Luther, as per my advice.

 

[Overswarm]

unvote vote lionel luther

riiiiiight

 

[Overswarm]

@OS You're going to help tomorrow at least, right?

Does it even ****ing matter at this point?

(and yes)

 

[SwordsRbroken]

unvote vote: LL

It doesn't seem like GLG is going to get lynched toDay, just let him get vigged.

two more votes to lynch LL, c'mon!

 

[Overswarm]

It doesn't seem like GLG is going to get lynched toDay, just let him get vigged.

Plz claim vig

 

[Nicholas1024]

*marks down rolefishing on list of scumtells OS has commited*

Besides, I see that more as a vig direct.

 

[Overswarm]

*marks down rolefishing on list of scumtells OS has commited*

Besides, I see that more as a vig direct.

You did not get reference.

 

[Nicholas1024]

You did not get reference.

What? Explain yourself.

 

[X1-12]

J is playing very oddly, at least compared to how I normally see him play hm

@J: Do you consider AtE's scumtells on their own?


LL should man up in a post soon or die. only content pretty much involves FoS ing J

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

My = OS

Your = Nich

 

[X1-12]

@Nich: pheonix wright mafia swords was survivor and counterclaimed Pierre dayvig, infamous as the worst play of all time

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Plz claim vig

*marks down rolefishing on list of scumtells OS has commited*

brb, dying