[M-1/15/19/24/27/32/33/34] FF7: Mafia Remix | Game over, Mafia Wins!

[Xiivi]

man I don't even though I shouldn't be posting while def-not-sober but I need to prod dodge, whatever I'll follow kevin since he's playing and town[unvote][vote: omni]are you still even voting omni? I hope so cause I havent really read lol

can my awesome wagon team whoever you were follow me was it like chuckie and omni? no not omni, the other 'o' player whatever the censor your name is lol

wow 48 hours deadlines i'm scrwed mn why do I have work tomorrow morning

 

[Xiivi]

unvote
vote: infernoomni

 

[Chaco]

Chaco again, your contradicting yourself. Your saying my case won't work because I'm using my experience as a crutch and you won't allow yourself to meta to fall into a trap.

You have NO case. Your experience isn't your crutch, it's your lack of caring and overall attitude towards this game.

Then say Omni is town because he falls in line with your town omni meta.

Yeah, and whats wrong with that? Can you find something wrong with me saying Omni is town because of my meta on him? Or would that be too much work?

Seriously, I really don't need to deal with your bull**** of telling me I don't care about a game that I obviously do. You're not helping your being abrasive for no purpose. You're not trying to get a read out of this game you're just calling me terrible.

Thing is, I know you're not terrible. If you're getting down that easy it's your own fault. Stop acting like a victim after I called you out.

If you were trying to get a read out of this you would not automatically write omni off as town and therefore say "Since you are attacking the person I think is town, you must therefore be scum"

No, that's a chainsaw defense. Also, you don't know everything I'm thinking. You think I do, but no matter how much you try too you never will. You're just saying random **** like it's not even augmented. If one thing doesn't work you move to another. I mean, seriously?

Seriously, Omni look at Chaco's play because somehow you seem to comment on a lot of the game but not this. He's been blatantly riding your knob all of D1 and you ignore it?

How is calling him town twice this entire game riding his knob an your blatant ******** buddying of random people isn't?

Alright, Kevin can die if he's gonna be like this all game and not care.

@Everyone: Do you think with the way he's playing that he legitimately cares about scumhunting and winning this game right now?

Yeah, so far this is game is ********. I'll reread and perhaps calm down tomorrow. But for now, you can in no way convince me that you are actually trying. I just do not see it.

 

[Omni]

@Kevin: Also, what are your thoughts on Chibo?

 

[KevinM]

Kevin. Go back back and respond to my initial response to your introduction posts about me please before you start asking other people to explain themselves to you.

Way to refuse to comment on everything I have just said as well as continue to tell people not to pay attention to me in this game.

 

[KevinM]

I don't know enough of Chibo, null read on him Omni.

Chaco is honestly just playing like a little girl, your whole argument against me has been I DON'T THINK YOU'RE TRYING BAWWW.

Also I can't believe I have to explain this to you since its right there in the paragraph you tried to be an ******* in.

But yes, you say that you won't follow me because you aren't allowing any meta bull**** etc in your game.

Then clear omni based on Meta.

it's a blatant contradiction.

 

[KevinM]

I haven't been paying attention to a lot of the players in this game to be honest, they're just not making any sort of case or stance worth even reading twice.

 

[Omni]

Way to refuse to comment on everything I have just said as well as continue to tell people not to pay attention to me in this game.

Don't pull this **** on me, Kevin. Don't pick and choose what arguments you're going to respond to based on how convenient they are for you.

I've been waiting the entire game for you to respond to your initial write up of your case on me and you've refused to do so because you have your panties in a bunch. Don't think you can just ignore my response case on your case on me, come up with more points, and then get mad when you don't address my previous response.

Here I'll make it simple for you:

Ok so anyways since I don't really think there should be votes on me I'm not going to be commenting on that.

I will however say I like how Gheb is playing.

Still think Omni is the play, the fact of the matter is he really tried hard to defend himself from the fact I thought he should be the lynch today.

no, first i ignored you. then i told rockin to not feed your trolling aka ask you a question you should've answered in the same post. i actually didn't defend myself against nothing because... there was nothing to defend against. you didnt say anything. note to self: i think this statement is bs

Not with facts or anything, or scum hunting but saying NO ONE LISTEN HE'S TROLLING.

you were. you came in and said i was the play without saying why. this is bad. what facts can i give you to tell you im not the play 2 days into the game? this isnt smart play in the least bit.

Seriously I don't spell things out for people and I don't care, nor should I have too. The game of mafia isn't about long winded paragraphs never has been.

you spell it out when you decide someone is the play a few days into the game where there are still a total of 4-5 players who haven't said a word. by calling me the play that early in the game you can only make your basis off of META. there are no trails, connections, strings; just you looking at my play and saying, "i can see a scummy twist to this". those same actions can also be argued "i can see a townie twist to this" but if you twist it to your will with hardly any information it's weak. you dont have an argument so far. everything is weak.

Omni should be the lynch today, his playstyle this game is really scummy. I don't like the way he placed a vote on me as the votes started swinging saying fine with this wagon, but would rather have other wagons.. this one however is appealing too.

i didn't place a vote on you all game, Kevin. my vote has been on Omis the majority of the game and then Chibo. it's actually the opposite; i've been saying i'm okay with you dying but HAVEN'T been placing a vote on you because i want more out of people i know would actually deliver since your initial two posts were total ***.

speaking of *** you're either playing like one or you're talking out of it because most of what you said has been empty, weak, and/or inaccurate/incorrect.

Yeah sure it's really appealing when the person who thinks you should be lynched gets a wagon on him. Especially since your entire defense was just LOL ignore troll no suspicions here.

as stated, i didn't vote nor start your wagon. i wanted an Omis and Chibo wagon. you're making things up at this point and i think you're trying desperately to justify your initial post on me to not look like a flip flopper. again, you haven't posted ANYTHING so there was nothing to defend against.

so i take it back; you weren't trolling. you were just playing a terrible game. i dont see town Kevin making such horrible accusations and weak cases so i'm going to assume you're scum attempting not to flip flop

You're playing the pressure inactive game WAY to hard this time and I don't like it.

i play the inactive game EVERY game hard. the only reason why it's harder this game is because of the sheer amount of inactive players. the fact that i'm playing an inactive game doesn't make me scummy in the least bit. do you think it's anti-town to get on everyone's *** about being active and actively participating? loaded question because it's not anti-town.

your additional justifications for your already empty accusation is not good.

Omni is our lynch, take your votes off me it's a stupid one.

no, it's a good one. based on your responses to this post it'll probably be you being the play. your pre-play before this post was awful and this response post just smells like dirty socks. im positive that everyone will agree. positive.

Also if people lynch me just because "we haven't lynched him in forever" I will go over and stick a magnet on your monitor, because you shouldn't be playing this game.

i dont think anyone is lynching you for that reason so stop whining. so far votes have been put on you legitimately, btu somehow you think it's a stupid one? are you looking at this game from a town perspective at all?

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[Omni]

Xiivi has been awful quiet

I feel like I don't know a single thing about Rockin in this game. He's been incredibly... I don't know what the word I'm looking for is... dull? Idk, it's just like he's kind of there.

i agree.

Again you're hammering the same points of "He didn't give all the information right away therefore he's anti town" over and over again and they're not going anywhere.

i'm not hammering it. i'm stating it as a blatant anti-town move. do you think you were being helpful with your initial post? if not, then stop getting on my tail about being on your tail for the right reasons. it's not the only reason why i think you're scummy so remove the term "hammering" from your vocabulary.

Also your entire first paragraph is garbage.

thought you weren't a fan of this kind of talk. so your initial reason for dismissing was my case was that you couldn't take jabs like these but you're okay with dishing them? hm.

Baby Jesus is a savant, I don't try and be like him, nor do I think anyone should try and emulate his play style unless their trolling a game.

ok

Also I like how the entirety of it is "He can't know I'm scum that early into a game because he's never played with me as scum therefore he can't know my scum meta"

that isn't the entirety of my case. stop using dramatic terms to make things seem like they appear to be something else. you had a strong read about my scum game yet im sure you don't recall anything about my scum game nor have you given any examples to support yourself. you're just stating it without any justification. it is a good point because you stated clearly extremely early into the game that you felt i was the play and your justification was that you think i was playing a scum omni. you never EXPLAINED this point which is a problem.

You constantly state you know how I play, then why ignore the fact that I NEVER meta people unless its something blatant that I've probably never even let the person know exists.

again with the dramatic terms: constantly. i know that your style of play is stubborn. i know that you play in a way that reduces the amount you talk. none of what im saying is wrong. also, if you're not meta'ing me then what exactly is your basis for finding me scummy? it makes no sense at all since you clearly felt that i was playing a omniscum game.

Thus, I'm not trying to baby jesus nor am I posting out of my ***, nor am I trying to meta you falsely, I think from your posts you are scum.

i ask you to do this is in the previous post. tell me based on my play how you were able to come to the conclusion that i was scum using the information BEFORE your exclamation of calling me scummy. i deliberately called you on your argument earlier in the game that the basis of you calling me scummy was focused on my actions AFTER you called me scummy.

I think you tried to play the inactive game way off the top fast, but this time kept it up. You then contradicted yourself by as I got more active you placed a vote on me without a real reason for it, which Gheb pointed out. I think it has a little more to do then just simple OMGUS because I don't think you would have a reason to vote me other then that.

incorrect. i placed a vote on Omis, heard what he said, and moved on. i then left mine on chibo for a bit because i didnt like his initial analysis of the game i felt scummy vibes from him. then i put on vote on you when you created a case on me based on my after game play of your exclamation of calling me scum. i explain in the above post what i found scummy about your response and thus i placed my vote on you. i didnt contradict myself in the least bit

If you were truly playing the inactive game as you said you were you would have been ok with me trying to make a "reaching case" because at least I was getting inactive, you would have swatted it away and then tried to move onto another inactive. Instead you did the exact opposite of what you were trying to accomplish with your playstyle and voted your now active player.

at this point you're assuming you know exactly what my process is when it comes to playing the inactive game. this is a weak case because i did the same thing with Chibo as well. even then you're trying to build a case on me because you think i'm playing the "inactive game" wrong. you're assuming you know my approach and how i do things. read DG Mafia. i did the same process then latched my vote onto players whom i felt were scummy, rinsed, washed, and repeated. eventually i moved away from Meta Kirby (finding him townie) and eventually finished with Frozen who was still incredibly inactive.


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you have a lot of explaining to do because i still think your case is non-existent. i am also very suspicious of players like Chibo who seems to find validity in your case without really explaining why. seems opportunistic considering i was on his *** earlier and he knows i want him dead. the fact that you failed to mention what you think about him even tho his play has been very awkward draws a nice little connection between you two.

anyway, i like kevin/chibo being the play toDay. i'm still on the Kevin wagon, but Chibo wagon is equally as appealing.

 

[Chuckie]

@Xiivi: Sorry bro. I'm waiting for someone to explain why Omni is scum because I don't see it.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11102969&postcount=234

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11103002&postcount=235

Kev are you ever gonna point out those contradictions in Omni's playstyle up to this point? Are you going to uphold your stance here?

Heh, that's like the last thing I'm going to be like.

What I don't buy is how you jump into Omni's defense. Just look at the course of actions and tell me it's not weird how Kevin confirms his suspicions against Omni, Omni countervotes and you basically confirm your vote on Kevin and answer to all of his post which is entirely directed at Omni.

I've explained already how I wasn't defending Omni at all. I SPECIFICALLY designed my post to only attack Kevin and his accusations. I was only dissecting Kevin's play and his stances and pointing out what was problematic. I in no way shape or form built up Omni as a player nor did I support his specific stances.

I may have happened to find similar problems in Kevin's points as Omni, but that's only natural considering Kevin was attacking Omni and naturally he would use those weaknesses in his defense. W/e if you think it's weird that I'm on the same side as Omni when it comes to being anti-Kevin atm, but don't feed me these crap lines like it's weird that I'm defending Omni when I did no such thing.

Same request to you. If you have problems with my points of view why don't *you* explain. I also find it interesting that you not only bold Nix's name and your own but also Chaco's - you have any problems with these reads?

Or, to put it in your own words: "Are you gonna start being like Kevin and not communicate clearly?"

Cute. Alrighty then.

I was wtfing @ Chaco and me as scum reads because I hadn't seen any substantial case from anyone pursuant to a Chacoscum stance, and of course, I wtf'd at me being on your scum list because what I can only imagine your reasons are for me being there are (i.e. "defending" omni, being quip with Nix, using a lot of smilies in a post against Kevin), I've rebutted plenty already and you haven't done anything to undermine that.

I wtf'd @ Nix town obviously because his play is ********. I can only imagine you have a "dumb town" read on him, and if you do I'd really appreciate you explaining how you arrived at that distinction when Nix is *** deep in dumb/scum mucky play.

I also wanted to say that I actually agree with you Gheb that Omni's play isn't necessarily pro-town at all. I agree that he hasn't netted anywhere near the positive information gain that he claims his playstyle generates. I agree that his playstyle is also very easy to undertake as scum and try to pass off as town. Overall I pretty much agree that Omni isn't anywhere close to being a clear townie.

However what's important is that I don't think Omni is trying to be misleading when he argues in favor of his playstyle. Despite its shortcomings I get the vibe that Omni just actually legitimately believes pretty much blindly in some sort of inherent altruism in his playstyle. He doesn't try to build it up as the best thing since sliced bread because he wants people to think he's being really pro-town even though he's scum, but because regardless of alignment he just really thinks that what he's doing is super pro-town.

His playstyle has a lot of flaws and you've adequately pointed them out. Point is though, that fact that Omni doesn't agree with your criticisms doesn't make me think he's scum trying to deny any kind of attack on his allegedly protown pedastal. It makes me think he's just stubborn as **** about it and can't be convinced otherwise about the pro-townness of his playstyle.

Xiivi continues to be annoying and play in a really dumb way. Distracting.

Want to hear more from Omis, Rockin, Mentos, and JF/MB.

@ the aforementioned, Out of the following group, which two are scum?

Frozenflame, Kevin, Omni, Xiivi, Gheb

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11112975&postcount=298

This post bothers me a ****ton but I can't really explain it well yet. I'll talk about it again once I can actually dictate my thoughts properly.

Having a lot of trouble figuring out if Kevin's attitude lately is derived from being frustrated scum or pissed town. =/ But yeah Kev don't forget about my question from the very top of this post.

The Kevin pressure has been really lucrative though and I'm about ready to get another wagon going and lay some serious pressure elsewhere. Mostly down for like mentos, Omis, Chibo or Nix wagons. Maybe Xiivi.

 

[Chuckie]

@Frozen: nice big post about Omni, but I see no stance at all.

Yes or no question, do you have any sort of read on Omni yet? You don't have to say what it is as Omni isn't really a play and I'd rather hear from Kevin first.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

There's no stance because I don't have one. Nice job trying to call me out for not doing something I never purported to be trying to do in the first place.

No, I don't have a read on Omni yet.

It think it's funny that you say it's not really necessary for me to say whether or not I think he's the play when that's actually the only relevant question to ask considering I have little to no read.

I'll spell it out for you. I have pretty much no read on Omni but I definitely don't think he should be the play today. Not right now at least, and unless something changes drastically I don't think he will be among my top picks for the D1 play.

 

[SummonerAU]

Chaco, who do you think today's play should be? Do you think Kevin is scum? So far I've only seen "can dies" and your first on Chibo you followed up with "I never said you were scummy". This one on Kevin you haven't said he was scummy either, just that he can die if he's going to be like this all game. I wanna see more from you. Since I looked into your posts more tonight, I'm not liking what you've posts so far. I want to see some "I think 'x' is scummy because..." inb4 I don't have to spell it out rahrahrah. I still wanna see them out there like that. Vote: Chaco I wanna see it before the end of day.

Chuckie and Gheb: Could you look back on all of Chaco's posts and look for where he takes stances of
people's alignments and when he backs them up with info. So far I've only seen "off radar" "dunno yet" and "haven't made up my mind". I haven't seen any "is scummy" but I have seen a lot of "can die because useless"s. I don't like "can die useless" normally because I read it as "don't care about alignment, can die". Chaco's other reads on players are either "Omni is town" or "I don't know/under the radar". I didn't like "I didn't say you were scum [Chibo], I said you were useless..."

*Chrome crashes when I click submit but I had ctrl-a'd refresh*

So about Chacoscum Frozen...what do you think? I've only palyed with Chaco in LOTR mafia (urgh) and I replaced out of that in D1. Is this how he normally does things?

 

[SummonerAU]

Oh I missed a bit. Pretty much just add "Do you agree/disagree and why" to the end of the Gheb/Chuckie bit and there's some funny gaps

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Are you asking me what I think about Chaco?

I didn't play in LOTR nor did I read it and I don't plan to so I really have no idea if that's his normal play. I don't really have a well developed passive meta on Chaco anyway.

Don't have much of a read on Chaco this game so far but if anything he's neutral leaning ever so slightly town.

 

[SummonerAU]

What do you think about what I've said about Chaco?
With the LOTR part, I was trying to say that the only game I've played with Chaco is that game and I wasn't in it for very long. I don't know if I'm getting hung up over his play in general or just this game. I thought you might have known.

 

[Chuckie]

There's no stance because I don't have one. Nice job trying to call me out for not doing something I never purported to be trying to do in the first place.

No, I don't have a read on Omni yet.

It think it's funny that you say it's not really necessary for me to say whether or not I think he's the play when that's actually the only relevant question to ask considering I have little to no read.

I'll spell it out for you. I have pretty much no read on Omni but I definitely don't think he should be the play today. Not right now at least, and unless something changes drastically I don't think he will be among my top picks for the D1 play.

You have quite a specific and detailed view on his playstyle, and I just wondered if you had a stance to accompany it.

@ the bold, I didn't say that. I said Omni really isn't a play, you must of misread.

And a simple no would of sufficed but alright.

@Summoner: I've never played a full game with Chaco before.

 

[Chaco]

Chaco, who do you think today's play should be? Do you think Kevin is scum? So far I've only seen "can dies" and your first on Chibo you followed up with "I never said you were scummy". This one on Kevin you haven't said he was scummy either, just that he can die if he's going to be like this all game. I wanna see more from you. Since I looked into your posts more tonight, I'm not liking what you've posts so far. I want to see some "I think 'x' is scummy because..." inb4 I don't have to spell it out rahrahrah. I still wanna see them out there like that. Vote: Chaco I wanna see it before the end of day.

So about Chacoscum Frozen...what do you think? I've only palyed with Chaco in LOTR mafia (urgh) and I replaced out of that in D1. Is this how he normally does things?

Chibo or Kevin, can go. I attacked Chibo on the basis of his activity, and Kevin I did not. Usually when you attack someone on not caring it's that you believe they are scum. I don't like Kevin's play at all and it pretty much is just baseless pushes. I haven't had time to really sit down and reread through the game and make a post saying why or who I think is scum, I'm sorry if you can't deal with that but you know as of right now where my head is at. I make it a point to point out what I'm thinking about who at the time. I'm sorry if i'm not being indepth enough for you but I've made about 90% of my posts from my iPhone which died last night. So it's an even greater risk that's I'll be terribly V/LA now during the week.

Read Tales, most recent game I was in. Last scum I played was innn the last FF probably. Not really sure. Played anti-town in getting schooled. But thats about it as of late cause I took a long break.

 

[Omni]

The Kevin pressure has been really lucrative though and I'm about ready to get another wagon going and lay some serious pressure elsewhere. Mostly down for like mentos, Omis, Chibo or Nix wagons. Maybe Xiivi.

yes

except riddler, rockin, and jungle need to be in this, too.

 

[KevinM]

I still don't think there is any sort of reason to lynch me to be honest. You guys are lynching me for playing the exact game I always do regardless of alignment and admitting it. You have said time and time again your reasons for thinking I am anti-town is because I always play like this and you don't like it. I'm sorry but if those are your only reasons then you don't have a solid lynch case.

Omni I have said time and time again, I think with how hard you were pushing the lynch the inactive game I felt you were covering something up with it. I still believe that I am willing to let you however live until tomorrow. Especially since at this point I guess going with the initial game plan of lynch the unhelpful is looking more lucrative.

At this point in the game between my numerous back and forths with a number of players in the game and taking stances on others you have all gotten plenty of information from the following players regardless of whether you think their scum/town, their motives behind it, the point is plenty of posts and analysis have come from:

Gheb
Chibo
Omni
Frozen
Xiivi

You have gotten some stances from

Summoner
Chuckie

Two players stick out to me.

Jungle: Seriously, have you seen him take a hard stance? I know you guys are all in love with the lovable has no idea what he's doing town meta of Jungle but why are you letting him get away without playing the game. If you're going to persecute me for not caring whoever thinks I am vote worthy then you are being incredibly contradictory letting him run rampant with how he's played thus far.

Also under that catagory: Omis, Rockin.

Chaco: Has pushed over and over again that I should die, not because I am scum but because I don't care about the game. I'm sorry but this is simply false information. He is looking for the easiest lynch atm and thinks that my case vs Omni is weaker then his defense. This is ok obviously who cares if my case doesn't fall through it happens in almost every town game I've ever played, however he keeps saying I am playing without care and then says this "I haven't had time to really sit down and reread through the game and make a post saying why or who I think is scum".

Another blatant contradiction to go along with the meta one i voted for earlier.

To be honest, I'd rather get rid of the bad, then the gut feeling.

Unvote
Vote Chaco

Either start making some really relevant posts that don't have to do with your own all knowing abilty of how serious I'm taking this game, or be lynched.

 

[KevinM]

Agreeing with Omni [world explode], especially since when I mentioned Omis after jungle I would have named some of those other players but forgot they were in the game.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

what was wrong with him commenting on random posts or w/e yu sed he's doing.

It shows that he's clearly selective reading.

besides it possibly being his scummeta, which is actually good that you brought up. Does that make you suspicious of him?

I'm not sure anymore.

Yeah, and whats wrong with that? Can you find something wrong with me saying Omni is town because of my meta on him? Or would that be too much work?

I wonder what meta you have on him. Omni specifically pointed out to me that his only recent "scum" meta is from Crono Trigger, where he was actually more anti-mafia than anti-town.

@Everyone: Do you think with the way he's playing that he legitimately cares about scumhunting and winning this game right now?

Absolutely. You can't seriously suggest that Kevin is guilty of that more so than like half of the game's cast. It would be a lie.

anyway, i like kevin/chibo being the play toDay. i'm still on the Kevin wagon, but Chibo wagon is equally as appealing.

After all that has been said, I can't believe that you would prefer to lynch these two players over Omis and Mentos. Even Rockin looks like a better lynch at this point.

I've explained already how I wasn't defending Omni at all. I SPECIFICALLY designed my post to only attack Kevin and his accusations. I was only dissecting Kevin's play and his stances and pointing out what was problematic. I in no way shape or form built up Omni as a player nor did I support his specific stances.

I may have happened to find similar problems in Kevin's points as Omni, but that's only natural considering Kevin was attacking Omni and naturally he would use those weaknesses in his defense. W/e if you think it's weird that I'm on the same side as Omni when it comes to being anti-Kevin atm, but don't feed me these crap lines like it's weird that I'm defending Omni when I did no such thing.

Legit response.

I was wtfing @ Chaco and me as scum reads because I hadn't seen any substantial case from anyone pursuant to a Chacoscum stance, and of course, I wtf'd at me being on your scum list because what I can only imagine your reasons are for me being there are (i.e. "defending" omni, being quip with Nix, using a lot of smilies in a post against Kevin), I've rebutted plenty already and you haven't done anything to undermine that.

I still get a scumvibe from Chaco and I'd actually like to know why it's so hard for you to see that. Have you been looking at his posts at all? I'm not the only one with a bad feeling about him.

The Kevin pressure has been really lucrative though and I'm about ready to get another wagon going and lay some serious pressure elsewhere. Mostly down for like mentos, Omis, Chibo or Nix wagons. Maybe Xiivi.

Omis or Mentos imo if it's for pressure.

Chuckie and Gheb: Could you look back on all of Chaco's posts and look for where he takes stances of people's alignments and when he backs them up with info. So far I've only seen "off radar" "dunno yet" and "haven't made up my mind". I haven't seen any "is scummy" but I have seen a lot of "can die because useless"s. I don't like "can die useless" normally because I read it as "don't care about alignment, can die". Chaco's other reads on players are either "Omni is town" or "I don't know/under the radar". I didn't like "I didn't say you were scum [Chibo], I said you were useless..."

I don't know what I am supposed to say here. You pretty much answered your own question.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Actually Kev I thought I made it pretty clear that I am voting for you because of inconsistencies in quality of what would normally be your typical play, coupled with the lacking rebuttal you offered me and the equally lackluster defense that shortly followed Omni's attacks.

Speaking of which Kev if you ever want my vote to move you need to not ignore me and address the top of #331.

@ Chuckie, yep I misread. My bad there.

@ Omni: Riddler I can kinda see, but I really just think we need to hear more from them. A wagon is one way to do it I guess but I'd hope they can step it up without us having to resort to that.

I really don't agree that Rockin deserves a wagon anywhere near the same level as the others I've listed.

I feel like a Xiivi wagon gets us everything a JF wagon gives us and more. *shrug* JF wagon isn't really a bad call though.

 

[Omni]

After all that has been said, I can't believe that you would prefer to lynch these two players over Omis and Mentos. Even Rockin looks like a better lynch at this point.

i can definitely concede to this point. altho i want kevin/chibo dead based on scumminess i'm starting to get aggravated at the ghosts in this game. now that kevin is talking more and more well...

@kevin: igmeoy, but i also am willing to drop our 1v1 to concentrate on those eating popcorn and watching the action. i think my stance on you is made clear and your stance on me is clear; we disagree but we've established a strong enough connection for the rest of town to realize this ain't SvS.

i dont think chaco is scummy. i think chibo is more scummier than chaco. not because chaco defends me but because his statements dont rub me the wrong way. he also speaks a lot and makes plenty of connections to the point where im super satisfied with him living over. ive said this before but Day 1 and sometimes 2 i'd rather just target the lurking inactive over players i have slight scum suspicions on.

uhm. i like frozen this game. very happy to see his consistency in being available.

gheb is gheb.

xiivi is hm. he's sly. i wouldn't mind going after Mentos just to see where it leads us. i dont think Xiivi's case was strong for him to make a huge fluff post about lynching him but i do think the combination of mentos' seemingly lack of wanting to scumhunt is terrible.

but not more terrible then dr.riddler or omis at the moment. these two are coasting hard body. hard body. the more i think about it the more these guys can die.

unvote

 

[Chaco]

Alright, Kevin finally did what I wanted him to do so I'm appeased now.

If you think I'm scummy because I'm *****ing at people, you obviously haven't played with me recently.

@Gheb: you have a point about the entire game, but its different when he was posting and the others were not.

I'm going to reread the game once I get the chance, but if you think Im scummy for the way I'm playing. Read Tales, I was like this the entire game. If anybody, Gheb should know that.

 

[Chaco]

I don't see why Dr. Riddler is coasting, cause Riddle, the more vocal half, usually does all of the posting while Mac does occasionally. But this game I'm seeing all Mac.

 

[Omis]

posting within an hour.
prod dodge

 

[~ Gheb ~]

If you think I'm scummy because I'm *****ing at people, you obviously haven't played with me recently.

@Gheb: you have a point about the entire game, but its different when he was posting and the others were not.

I'm going to reread the game once I get the chance, but if you think Im scummy for the way I'm playing. Read Tales, I was like this the entire game. If anybody, Gheb should know that.

I'm sorry? My concern with you is not that you're "*****ing" at people if that's what you are implying by the bolded - that's Kevin; not me. And I'd really like to know what "meta" you are talking about in regards to Omni because I can't even remember the last tim he was actually downright scum [not counting his indy plays in Crono Trigger and Grammys #1]. Must've been like Newbie 2 or BIM 1 or something.

 

[Chaco]

Not all meta is scum meta, Gheb. And I specifically said town meta.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

I still get a scumvibe from Chaco and I'd actually like to know why it's so hard for you to see that. Have you been looking at his posts at all? I'm not the only one with a bad feeling about him.

Omis or Mentos imo if it's for pressure.

I don't think it's ridiculous for you to have a scum vibe from him, but I did think it was ridiculous for me to be paired with him as your only two scum picks. I can see where people are coming from with the Chaco deal sorta, but that doesn't make him being your only other scum pick after me at that point make ANY sense at all.

I'm kind of in the process of trying to review Chaco though because he's been getting so much attention and I just really feel like I've overlooked whatever the cause may be.

100% agree @ Omis and mentos being top choices for pressure wagons since I'd expect them to be the least likely to react to pressure like complete ****ing morons. Xiivi and Nix completely aggravate that fear.

uhm. i like frozen this game. very happy to see his consistency in being available.

You seriously have no idea how much better I play when I'm in 2 games or less. Well, you are getting an idea now, but you get the point.

@ Chaco I'm extending my who's scum question to you.

Frozen, KevinM, Omni, Xiivi, Gheb.

Which two in this list are scum?

 

[Omis]

Town list
Omni- He is doing all the same things that I remember from him playing town. He is hammering people left and right, screaming loudly, and being unapologetic for his actions. The typical confident Omni that Im use to.

Gheb- Seems town to me just because I dont see a scum Gheb continuing to go after Omni like he has been

Chaco- Mad chaco is a town taco to me.

I dunno
Rockin- Just as inactive as me so I cant tell whats in his head
Nix- You seemed to mad dissapear after everybody started getting pissy at you near the beginning. What happened to all those posts you were giving us?
Jungle- Just as inactive as me so I cant tell whats in his head.
Dr. Riddler- Just as inactive as me so I cant tell whats in his head.
Xiivi- I dont know your town/scum play at all but Im leaning more towards town for your eagerness. And you are down with the cool mentos wagon.
Everyone else- still thinking about you/dont have enough to say about you


Scums
Chibo- Like seriously you dont seem to be thinking or even trying to. Your arguement with Chaco just seemed to be you trying to get a rise out of him and ******* around. Plus your posts like @293 are really bad attempts at reaction reaching. Dont like it.

Mentos- Explained in earlier post and his recent 298 is silly. Dismissing legit concerns about inactivity is pretty cool.

 

[Chaco]

In that list it is not:

Omni
Gheb
Frozen

So by PoE on your list that leaves Kevin and Xiivi.

 

[Dr. Riddler]

I was gonna quote posts and comment on them from the last like 4 pages, but I feel like that would just be irrelevant at this point since alot of stuff has happened.

Anyways, I'm kinda shocked that an omni wagon was actually getting support. People were giving him **** for the way he pressured people(Gheb vs Omni comes to mind. Though I got the impression that Gheb was just arguing due to a conflict of ideals). Omni's pressure is actually useful. I remember as scum in ff7, he was the most annoying to deal with, especially since it seemed that he had a lot of push in town. He's prolly the only reason I even posted. So though I have no idea on what I think his alignment is, I do think he like obviously needs to stay just cuz he doesforce other people to talk. By discrediting Omni's play/pressure game, people are making his targets/inactives less inclined to actually feel pressured from it.

Also, it's clearly ridiculous to state that Kevin had been more useful for town and played better than omni when at the time he had only made one(two?) posts.

I like Gheb's play alot tho. Def getting a townread, despite thinking he was scum earlier. He's def gotten too good.

I'm liking frozen too. I don't get the Mentos hate, Mentos called out Chaco on his contradiction regarding Chibo. Which I was planning on doing as I read through, so the fact that his and my thoughts aligned makes me feel better about him.

I think chibo would be an ideal lynch. Especially because of the number of connections he has. I also don't know wtf he's doing in this game. Don't really care to dwell on him tho cuz there are other people doing that.

Omis can die too.

Jungle initially bugged me because of the way he unnecessarily comments on things and how he seems to just go with the flow. He also doesn't take any stances almost ever, unless its already a popular choice. But I remember that he's been like that before. So I don't know what I think anymore. I don't think i'd be opposed to him dying.

I'm comfortable with Nix for the moment, I think I have more to say here but I'll leave it for later when I reread stuff.

Chaco gave me issues simply because of his reasoning for voting Chibo. (It seemed to contradict the reasons why everyone else was voting him). But someone said something like angry Chaco = town chaco lol. Which I realize I agree with. So he's fine.

On the topic of KevinM. Idk why he was tunneling Omni so hard. He gave off the impression that he's just looking for anything he could to make omni appear scummy. Especially since alot of his reasons happen after his initial claims to omni being scum. I'm trying to compare his play to that of some broom game we played in, where I was scum and he was town and he tunnelled me all game. But in that game, he made posts about more than just me. He brought up points about other people. However here he seems to only focused on omni. idk what any of this means, just kinda thinking aloud. I don't think i'd mind a kevinM lynch.

Xiivi, what are your thoughts on Chibo again? Also, what happened to your mentos case? Did you just drop it in order to buddy Kevin and join Omni's wagon?

Rockin is being rockin. I don't feel like focusing on him.

Chuckie's posts have felt so weird to me. I def want to look into this guy more.

I'm on the fence alot in this post. Oh well, deal with it.

I don't see why Dr. Riddler is coasting, cause Riddle, the more vocal half, usually does all of the posting while Mac does occasionally. But this game I'm seeing all Mac.

Yea idk whats riddle been up to. He's makin me do his job.

 

[Dr. Riddler]

Lol, that post wasn't supposed to be that long.

Also, I think I'm gonna do less catch up and try to stay up to date with this game. I feel like I missing out on **** becuz of reading to catch up

 

[Chaco]

I don't know enough of Chibo, null read on him Omni.

Chaco is honestly just playing like a little girl, your whole argument against me has been I DON'T THINK YOU'RE TRYING BAWWW.

Also I can't believe I have to explain this to you since its right there in the paragraph you tried to be an ******* in.

But yes, you say that you won't follow me because you aren't allowing any meta bull**** etc in your game.

Then clear omni based on Meta.

it's a blatant contradiction.

I see what you mean now, I said experience doesn't mean any thing to me. Meta and experience are two different spectrums. Meta is what I use for tells and whatnot for a specific player. I mean experience as in I used to yield to your experience and think you infallible when you played like this. Now Im not going too.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I don't think it's ridiculous for you to have a scum vibe from him, but I did think it was ridiculous for me to be paired with him as your only two scum picks. I can see where people are coming from with the Chaco deal sorta, but that doesn't make him being your only other scum pick after me at that point make ANY sense at all.

I never thought of you two of an actual scumpair if that's what you're thinking. I was just under the impression that either you or him - one of you two - is likely scum but I'm starting to question it anyway.

I think chibo would be an ideal lynch. Especially because of the number of connections he has.

The only "connections" he has - as far as I'm aware - are the people who openly suspect him; which is pretty much everybody in this game. I'd really like to know how lynching him will give us anything new to work with in regards to these connections.

Omis can die too.

Would like to hear a strong opinion from Nix, Chuckie, Mentos and Summoner on this.

 

[Omni]

+1 like that post.

At tournament. Deadline is this Wednesday I believe. I like the info we're getting. Alot.

Feel Omis and Riddlers posts. Please stay more active.

Would like a similar post from Jungle and Rockin. And Nix. And Mentos. Lol.

Xivii isn't coming off to me as townish right now.

 

[Omis]

What do you mean by "feel Omis post?"
I dont get the usage.

 

[Rockin]

Okay, internet is on at my house, I'm currently on my Wii internet thingie, and I just listened to Sonic Colors theme music more then 5 times (it's just that awesome to me :D )

Let's do this

@Rockin - I think we should hold hands for this ^_^ Yes?

Speak to me about it after D2. I don't like holding hands on D1. lol

I want to know that you're making an effort to look for scum. Don't really have a question for you at the moment.

Again, my grandmother's computer had a blue screen of death two days ago. I was going to make that last contributing post at my grandmother's house, but that's when the problem arose.

I have internet now at my house, so let's see how things look.

I feel like I don't know a single thing about Rockin in this game. He's been incredibly... I don't know what the word I'm looking for is... dull? Idk, it's just like he's kind of there.

Yeah, sorry about that. Sometimes on D1, I don't exactly know how to contribute, so I'm usually quiet. Take Spidey Mafia for example. >>

*ahem*

Chaco, to answer your question, Kevin DOES care about the game. It's just that this is his playstyle/how he plays. Right now, I feel he's just frustrated cause of the case and reasoning of scumminess of his actions. As of yet, I don't see anything scummy of hima and I feel he shouldn't be the play.

HOWEVER, I do find something interesting from both KevinM and Frozen. Neither one is really in support of the other (I mean them buddy buddy). Normally, I see both Frozen and KevinM quickly buddying up so as to team up against others who are possibley mafia. I don't see that this game and this actually a first.

I wish Jungle go into a bit more detail and and tell others how he feels about (fill in current/previous situation/case scenario, reactions, etc.). I feel that all he's done is pop in who he felt was scummy/agreeing with one or two people, and then fading in the background. I want to call it scummy, but JF/Mark has been known to be inactive (which is why I comment him about it during my first post or so).

Xiivi is still neutral to me, and I feel he'll probably remain neutral for quite a while. I never saw him play and some of his latest post shows he's a bit energetic. However, I still don't agree with the case on Mentos mainly cause...well, I don't see nothing truly scummy. Only issue I have with Mentos is him being inactive.

I'm hoping Dr. Riddle be a bit more active (as well as Omis), but I like Dr. Riddle's last post. Omis still needs to step it up cause his post only shows a list of who's scummy and who isn't >>

I'm still in support of a Chibo lynch.