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no, first i ignored you. then i told rockin to not feed your trolling aka ask you a question you should've answered in the same post. i actually didn't defend myself against nothing because... there was nothing to defend against. you didnt say anything. note to self: i think this statement is bsOk so anyways since I don't really think there should be votes on me I'm not going to be commenting on that.
I will however say I like how Gheb is playing.
Still think Omni is the play, the fact of the matter is he really tried hard to defend himself from the fact I thought he should be the lynch today.
you were. you came in and said i was the play without saying why. this is bad. what facts can i give you to tell you im not the play 2 days into the game? this isnt smart play in the least bit.Not with facts or anything, or scum hunting but saying NO ONE LISTEN HE'S TROLLING.
you spell it out when you decide someone is the play a few days into the game where there are still a total of 4-5 players who haven't said a word. by calling me the play that early in the game you can only make your basis off of META. there are no trails, connections, strings; just you looking at my play and saying, "i can see a scummy twist to this". those same actions can also be argued "i can see a townie twist to this" but if you twist it to your will with hardly any information it's weak. you dont have an argument so far. everything is weak.Seriously I don't spell things out for people and I don't care, nor should I have too. The game of mafia isn't about long winded paragraphs never has been.
i didn't place a vote on you all game, Kevin. my vote has been on Omis the majority of the game and then Chibo. it's actually the opposite; i've been saying i'm okay with you dying but HAVEN'T been placing a vote on you because i want more out of people i know would actually deliver since your initial two posts were total ***.Omni should be the lynch today, his playstyle this game is really scummy. I don't like the way he placed a vote on me as the votes started swinging saying fine with this wagon, but would rather have other wagons.. this one however is appealing too.
as stated, i didn't vote nor start your wagon. i wanted an Omis and Chibo wagon. you're making things up at this point and i think you're trying desperately to justify your initial post on me to not look like a flip flopper. again, you haven't posted ANYTHING so there was nothing to defend against.Yeah sure it's really appealing when the person who thinks you should be lynched gets a wagon on him. Especially since your entire defense was just LOL ignore troll no suspicions here.
i play the inactive game EVERY game hard. the only reason why it's harder this game is because of the sheer amount of inactive players. the fact that i'm playing an inactive game doesn't make me scummy in the least bit. do you think it's anti-town to get on everyone's *** about being active and actively participating? loaded question because it's not anti-town.You're playing the pressure inactive game WAY to hard this time and I don't like it.
no, it's a good one. based on your responses to this post it'll probably be you being the play. your pre-play before this post was awful and this response post just smells like dirty socks. im positive that everyone will agree. positive.Omni is our lynch, take your votes off me it's a stupid one.
i dont think anyone is lynching you for that reason so stop whining. so far votes have been put on you legitimately, btu somehow you think it's a stupid one? are you looking at this game from a town perspective at all?Also if people lynch me just because "we haven't lynched him in forever" I will go over and stick a magnet on your monitor, because you shouldn't be playing this game.
I really don't know what to think of him anymore. Just for that reason I'd be very glad if he dies because he's intentionally being a pain to deal with and gives us nothing to work with. I'm just flip-flopping over him and it's mostly the fact that few people are against his lynch that make me second-guess the idea of lynching him.@Gheb explain to us at what point did you make a u-turn on Chaco from your case before?... you outlined this but you were never detailed. Tell tell!
Do you have any issues with Chibo's more recent posts?idk how u guys can be ok with Chaco dyin over Chibo
neither chibo nor chaco's recent posts have changed my view on them.Do you have any issues with Chibo's more recent posts?
Do you have no issues with Chaco's more recent posts?
wrong, wrong, wrong. don't simplify this. i've stated several times why i think Kevin is the play, and it's not just because "how he plays". i've considered his playstyle anti-town but nothing more. go back and read over my posts, Gheb. if you fail to see the numerous amount of points i've been making about why i think Kevin is the play then i can only conclude you ain't reading em.Just to make this clear: You think Kevin is the play toDay for the way he plays.
wrong, again. i didn't say this. i said Kevin is pushing a case on Chaco for one of the same reasons that i pushed my case on Kevin. why are you coming to this conclusion? i specifically said that I like Chaco and i dont find anything about him scummy. more importantly, i don't find him being anywhere close to being the play since i think Chibo and Kevin needs to die. gheb, i'm being very clear with my stances and statements so how you are able to misinterpretate them so cleanly?Then you say Chaco is not a play because he's basically playing the same way Kevin does.
wrong for the 3rd time and i think i corrected this in my above paragraph. where are you getting your information from?So Chibo is a better lynch than Chaco ... but not Kevin even though you say he's playing the same?
i really dont know understand how this can even be a question, Gheb. my stances are CLEAR. there's nothing vague about me in the least bit and i've been reiterating what i think frequently.What do you actually think now?
so you don't like when Kevin doesn't back up something he saysI have stuff to say about Kevin when he doesn't post anything in games and doesn't back up anything he says (like how I really didn't like him in BIM2, which hey - he was scum in). I don't have a problem with him in this game so far.
Out of that list FF, I'm really not sure there are even two scum there. Let's look at each one.Want to hear more from Omis, Rockin, Mentos, and JF/MB.
@ the aforementioned, Out of the following group, which two are scum?
Frozenflame, Kevin, Omni, Xiivi, Gheb
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11112975&postcount=298
This post bothers me a ****ton but I can't really explain it well yet. I'll talk about it again once I can actually dictate my thoughts properly.
You say the post feels weird, but the better part of it is saying about Kevin pretty much what you say here. Not to call me out for being "fence-sitting"/not giving a stance when I didn't have one. Would like to hear exactly what your problem with it was so that I can explain myself a bit.There's no stance because I don't have one. Nice job trying to call me out for not doing something I never purported to be trying to do in the first place.
No, I don't have a read on Omni yet.
It think it's funny that you say it's not really necessary for me to say whether or not I think he's the play when that's actually the only relevant question to ask considering I have little to no read.
I'll spell it out for you. I have pretty much no read on Omni but I definitely don't think he should be the play today. Not right now at least, and unless something changes drastically I don't think he will be among my top picks for the D1 play.
I'm not sure why you decide to say town should realize it isn't SvS. While I agree with the general sentiment, it's kind of a weird thing for someone in the back and forth to say. Nothin really big here, just an odd phrase to use talking about an argument you were part of, and part of the reason you're still neutral to me.@kevin: igmeoy, but i also am willing to drop our 1v1 to concentrate on those eating popcorn and watching the action. i think my stance on you is made clear and your stance on me is clear; we disagree but we've established a strong enough connection for the rest of town to realize this ain't SvS.
It's been said a bit before, but this post doesn't have really anything new in it. Also quoted so I could say your explanation in your 212 isn't really that strong. Pretty much the only thing you've said against me is that I was passive about a player who had one post at the time(NO WAY!), and that I "defended" FF with year old meta, when I really just commented on a piece of discussion from the time and said it didn't fit with what I expected from FrozenScum, and I didn't find it scummy in general.Town list
Omni- He is doing all the same things that I remember from him playing town. He is hammering people left and right, screaming loudly, and being unapologetic for his actions. The typical confident Omni that Im use to.
Gheb- Seems town to me just because I dont see a scum Gheb continuing to go after Omni like he has been
Chaco- Mad chaco is a town taco to me.
I dunno
Rockin- Just as inactive as me so I cant tell whats in his head
Nix- You seemed to mad dissapear after everybody started getting pissy at you near the beginning. What happened to all those posts you were giving us?
Jungle- Just as inactive as me so I cant tell whats in his head.
Dr. Riddler- Just as inactive as me so I cant tell whats in his head.
Xiivi- I dont know your town/scum play at all but Im leaning more towards town for your eagerness. And you are down with the cool mentos wagon.
Everyone else- still thinking about you/dont have enough to say about you
Scums
Chibo- Like seriously you dont seem to be thinking or even trying to. Your arguement with Chaco just seemed to be you trying to get a rise out of him and ******* around. Plus your posts like @293 are really bad attempts at reaction reaching. Dont like it.
Mentos- Explained in earlier post and his recent 298 is silly. Dismissing legit concerns about inactivity is pretty cool.
This part of your post really bugs me. You use FF7 as an example when you were out of that game within 3 days of the start, and had been prodded before doing so. You were so barely in that game I forgot you were even me and Chaco's original scum-partner. Pretty much I'm just not sure why you would reference a game you can barely be considered a part of for thoughts on Omni. Plus the main reason Omni was so useful to town was because he was forced to claim mid-D1 and had the most ridiculously good gambit I've ever seen helping him along.Anyways, I'm kinda shocked that an omni wagon was actually getting support. People were giving him **** for the way he pressured people(Gheb vs Omni comes to mind. Though I got the impression that Gheb was just arguing due to a conflict of ideals). Omni's pressure is actually useful. I remember as scum in ff7, he was the most annoying to deal with, especially since it seemed that he had a lot of push in town. He's prolly the only reason I even posted. So though I have no idea on what I think his alignment is, I do think he like obviously needs to stay just cuz he doesforce other people to talk. By discrediting Omni's play/pressure game, people are making his targets/inactives less inclined to actually feel pressured from it.
Not too surprising compared to how I've played in the past. I second guess most of what I think until later in the game 9 times out of 10, so it's rare for me to have any confidence in a read this early.You have zero good reads with all this information for a SWF D1?
Honestly...?
Not a big fan of going over thoughts on everyone in the game. Chaco I've called out once for something that I didn't like and in all honesty he's still sitting as a potential lynch. He's been off the whole game, and his repeated johns as to why he's not sure of anything going on is admitting to skimming constantly. If he doesn't step it up I'd be in for him as a lynch candidate.what are your thoughts on chibo, chaco, and the rest of the cast
Eh, I know you can chew up town as scum without posting a lot Kev, that's why I specifically said I'm not sure if it's a tell or frustration/something else. Pretty much all I meant was that is you're playing different than usual, and while I'm inclined to think it's a byproduct of the situation, as you said I'm out of the loop around here so with hearing that you've been playing much like I used to see lately, and seeing a difference now, it's something I've got to keep note of. Differences in playstyle=good to note, even if you're not sure exactly what they meanMentos, your post doesn't sit well with me but I think it more has to do with how out of the loop you are. You're saying me being more verbose could possibly be a tell but all you would have to do is look at the numerous games I've won lately as scum and seen that I barely needed to post to let town chew each other up. You would be blatantly misconstruing meta to say, he's posting more which could mean he is scum.
Also the rest of your post to me doesn't take any firm stances.
To me, Chibo's been more so unhelpful then scummy. As opposed to Chaco who comes across as scummy.idk how u guys can be ok with Chaco dyin over Chibo
Well our question didn't really care that you don't know what to think of Chaco anymore - However, wii do care how, at the time of your #417, Chaco went from scum to town... wouldn't you agree, then, there must have been something he or possibly others did in the playground for you to make that transition?, wii're interested in what it was!I really don't know what to think of him anymore. Just for that reason I'd be very glad if he dies because he's intentionally being a pain to deal with and gives us nothing to work with. I'm just flip-flopping over him and it's mostly the fact that few people are against his lynch that make me second-guess the idea of lynching him.
Wii feel like the apocalypse could crash down on Earth and yet you'd still miss everything! Must be the hookahIf anyone feels like I missed something
I don't see where in that post I made that "transition". I was convinced that Chaco is scum for quite a while but now I'm unsure. Never got a town read on him though.Well our question didn't really care that you don't know what to think of Chaco anymore - However, wii do care how, at the time of your #417, Chaco went from scum to town... wouldn't you agree, then, there must have been something he or possibly others did in the playground for you to make that transition?, wii're interested in what it was!
Pro but not top priority atmAlso your take on Chaco's lynch seems to be both pro and anti to an extent - which is it more?
Xiivi and Omis for sure; maybe MentosWho do you place above him?
If you read through my posts you'd see that I find virtually all of Omni's stances questionable. This one is no exception.What do you make of Omni's "gut feeling" smothered all over Chaco?