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[M-1/15/19/24/27/32/33/34] FF7: Mafia Remix | Game over, Mafia Wins!

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@Chuckie - Short posts is because I have the flu and medicine makes me a little drowsy -_- in regards to me pointing out something minor *Shurg* To me it's still important >_> And I am still not really getting a angry Chaco from his posts...
 

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Gayest post of all time and makes me want to lynch you just on principle.

Why do people think its smart and/or good play regardless of faction to create the stupid ****ing WIFOM that is "I play this way when I'm town and this way when I'm scum".

It's so ****ing dumb. If you're lying you're just being an ******* and creatin WIFOM and if you're telling the truth you're effectively making it impossible for yourself to survive as scum in the long run which makes you a horrible player.

When you play mafia you are supposed to act in a manner that is both pro your wincon AND does not jeopardize or undermine your ability to win as any alignment in future games.

Saying "I do X,Y,Z as scum" as a mean to clear yourself as town (which would require you to be telling the truth) DIRECTLY BREAKS THE SECOND STIPULATION.

If you ever say **** like this you are a trash player. Don't ****ing do it its gay as hell.

Maybe if Kevin ever stops being lame and ignoring me I'll move my vote here. We seriously need a new wagon or need to lynch Kevin if he keeps ignoring me.
 

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Chaco wagon has like 4 votes now afaik

It's like Chibo, Chuckie, Kevin and Myself. There's room for 4 more!
 

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Chibo has 3 votes or something? I haven't been keeping track that much.

Request Votecount meow
 

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idk how u guys can be ok with Chaco dyin over Chibo
 

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Blatant contradictions that he himself mentioned he made and then said deal with it?

I'm ok with Omis or Mentos dying if we're just gonna crap shoot it.

Chaco
Omis
Mentos

in that order.

Omni has no steam in that wagon which is a cryin shame. But if he's gonna try and play super townie and bus partners I'm all for him stickin around for a while :D.

Also Frozen I GUEESSSS I'll get to your 331 *sigh*.
 

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"Kev are you ever gonna point out those contradictions in Omni's playstyle up to this point? Are you going to uphold your stance here?"

Really I thought I did a fine job and I hate derailing this again but, Omni voted me based off of the fact that I voted him but continuously rallied at that point how he wanted to lynch an inactive.

Gheb pointed out the contradiction as well, so were you skimming or just wanted me to say it as well?
 

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no, i voted you based off your thought process involving voting me.

maybe i missed it but you never really responded to my post. the only thing i see you saying is:

"Omni I have said time and time again, I think with how hard you were pushing the lynch the inactive game I felt you were covering something up with it"

in response to this:

Ok so anyways since I don't really think there should be votes on me I'm not going to be commenting on that.

I will however say I like how Gheb is playing.

Still think Omni is the play, the fact of the matter is he really tried hard to defend himself from the fact I thought he should be the lynch today.
no, first i ignored you. then i told rockin to not feed your trolling aka ask you a question you should've answered in the same post. i actually didn't defend myself against nothing because... there was nothing to defend against. you didnt say anything. note to self: i think this statement is bs

Not with facts or anything, or scum hunting but saying NO ONE LISTEN HE'S TROLLING.
you were. you came in and said i was the play without saying why. this is bad. what facts can i give you to tell you im not the play 2 days into the game? this isnt smart play in the least bit.

Seriously I don't spell things out for people and I don't care, nor should I have too. The game of mafia isn't about long winded paragraphs never has been.
you spell it out when you decide someone is the play a few days into the game where there are still a total of 4-5 players who haven't said a word. by calling me the play that early in the game you can only make your basis off of META. there are no trails, connections, strings; just you looking at my play and saying, "i can see a scummy twist to this". those same actions can also be argued "i can see a townie twist to this" but if you twist it to your will with hardly any information it's weak. you dont have an argument so far. everything is weak.

Omni should be the lynch today, his playstyle this game is really scummy. I don't like the way he placed a vote on me as the votes started swinging saying fine with this wagon, but would rather have other wagons.. this one however is appealing too.
i didn't place a vote on you all game, Kevin. my vote has been on Omis the majority of the game and then Chibo. it's actually the opposite; i've been saying i'm okay with you dying but HAVEN'T been placing a vote on you because i want more out of people i know would actually deliver since your initial two posts were total ***.

speaking of *** you're either playing like one or you're talking out of it because most of what you said has been empty, weak, and/or inaccurate/incorrect.

Yeah sure it's really appealing when the person who thinks you should be lynched gets a wagon on him. Especially since your entire defense was just LOL ignore troll no suspicions here.
as stated, i didn't vote nor start your wagon. i wanted an Omis and Chibo wagon. you're making things up at this point and i think you're trying desperately to justify your initial post on me to not look like a flip flopper. again, you haven't posted ANYTHING so there was nothing to defend against.

so i take it back; you weren't trolling. you were just playing a terrible game. i dont see town Kevin making such horrible accusations and weak cases so i'm going to assume you're scum attempting not to flip flop

You're playing the pressure inactive game WAY to hard this time and I don't like it.
i play the inactive game EVERY game hard. the only reason why it's harder this game is because of the sheer amount of inactive players. the fact that i'm playing an inactive game doesn't make me scummy in the least bit. do you think it's anti-town to get on everyone's *** about being active and actively participating? loaded question because it's not anti-town.

your additional justifications for your already empty accusation is not good.

Omni is our lynch, take your votes off me it's a stupid one.
no, it's a good one. based on your responses to this post it'll probably be you being the play. your pre-play before this post was awful and this response post just smells like dirty socks. im positive that everyone will agree. positive.

Also if people lynch me just because "we haven't lynched him in forever" I will go over and stick a magnet on your monitor, because you shouldn't be playing this game.
i dont think anyone is lynching you for that reason so stop whining. so far votes have been put on you legitimately, btu somehow you think it's a stupid one? are you looking at this game from a town perspective at all?


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i am still for your lynch because you still have not even touched on trying to explain yourself on these actions. i've already said the problems and issues i've had with you mainly in this post and in others but you're not really responding to them and just moving forward as if there is no argument on you.
 

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You guys keep saying the only way I could have made the deduction is off of meta, I keep saying its because I felt you were playing the inactive game too hard, I don't see where you would know better then me why I think you're scum.

It only compounded when you were content to vote for me after I got more active.
 

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Again your whole game is so infuriating btw at the beginning of the game you drilled how you wanted inactives and non try hards out early so you could weedle the game down.

You have a plethora to choose from if you really want to make it a crapshoot, however you've switched into voting for the people that have spoken up.

It's like a blatant 180 in gameplay.
 

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Chaco is our most viable lynch today by far, after that it's the inactives, I'd rather kill scummy over inactive and then inactive over people that are going to be talkative. Because the talkative players will create contradictions and false plays and they will screw up.

It's the safest easiest way to win a game and more people should start listening to me.

Chaco is doing neither, he is being scummy, contradictory, blatantly unhelpful (admitting he's skimming etc) talking about how his social life doesn't allow him to play a lot in other threads, and doesn't post all that often period.

How is there a better day one lynch?
 

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Ok, gonna go set up my hookah, get my laptop moved outside, and look back over the past few pages to try to get the post I was planning last night together except somewhat sensible this time. Don't expect anything groundbreaking though, because as usual I really don't have good reads yet.
 

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and you still wont directly respond to that post. geez, kevin. it's not a difficult concept but you just continue to dodge blatant contradictions to your original idea of lynching me by avoiding it.

and i still dont like how you dont have much to say about chibo, and chibo doesnt have much to say about you.

and no one is going to listen to you especially after your original push on me. at least i wont. the way you just described Chaco (scummy, contradictory, blatantly unhelpful) is EXACTLY how you were playing not too long ago. and how are you still going on about certain players being the play when we have Mentos who hasnt even given you anything to work with in regards to sizing him up for the play? i can understand if you want him dead over everyone else at the moment but to think he's the safest play imo is not a good deduction
 

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I have stuff to say about Kevin when he doesn't post anything in games and doesn't back up anything he says (like how I really didn't like him in BIM2, which hey - he was scum in). I don't have a problem with him in this game so far.
 

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@Gheb explain to us at what point did you make a u-turn on Chaco from your case before?... you outlined this but you were never detailed. Tell tell!
I really don't know what to think of him anymore. Just for that reason I'd be very glad if he dies because he's intentionally being a pain to deal with and gives us nothing to work with. I'm just flip-flopping over him and it's mostly the fact that few people are against his lynch that make me second-guess the idea of lynching him.

idk how u guys can be ok with Chaco dyin over Chibo
Do you have any issues with Chibo's more recent posts?
Do you have no issues with Chaco's more recent posts?

Just to make this clear: You think Kevin is the play toDay for the way he plays. Then you say Chaco is not a play because he's basically playing the same way Kevin does.
So Chibo is a better lynch than Chaco ... but not Kevin even though you say he's playing the same?

What do you actually think now?

:059:
 

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gheb, we really need to look at how you're reading my posts. i dont think you're taking any of them literally and i think you're looking at it from a scummy intent each time which makes your posts inaccurate

Do you have any issues with Chibo's more recent posts?
Do you have no issues with Chaco's more recent posts?
neither chibo nor chaco's recent posts have changed my view on them.

Just to make this clear: You think Kevin is the play toDay for the way he plays.
wrong, wrong, wrong. don't simplify this. i've stated several times why i think Kevin is the play, and it's not just because "how he plays". i've considered his playstyle anti-town but nothing more. go back and read over my posts, Gheb. if you fail to see the numerous amount of points i've been making about why i think Kevin is the play then i can only conclude you ain't reading em.

Then you say Chaco is not a play because he's basically playing the same way Kevin does.
wrong, again. i didn't say this. i said Kevin is pushing a case on Chaco for one of the same reasons that i pushed my case on Kevin. why are you coming to this conclusion? i specifically said that I like Chaco and i dont find anything about him scummy. more importantly, i don't find him being anywhere close to being the play since i think Chibo and Kevin needs to die. gheb, i'm being very clear with my stances and statements so how you are able to misinterpretate them so cleanly?

So Chibo is a better lynch than Chaco ... but not Kevin even though you say he's playing the same?
wrong for the 3rd time and i think i corrected this in my above paragraph. where are you getting your information from?

What do you actually think now?
i really dont know understand how this can even be a question, Gheb. my stances are CLEAR. there's nothing vague about me in the least bit and i've been reiterating what i think frequently.

this is like the 2nd or 3rd time i feel you've been approaching me awkwardly. the first few times i just took it as you being suspicious of me which is fine because i'd be more concerned if no one raised a brow me from time to time, but now i'm getting the impression that you have an agenda to shine me in the limelight negatively. why am i getting this feeling, gheb?

i asked you this in my previous post. what is your read on me? don't ignore me this time.
 

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I have stuff to say about Kevin when he doesn't post anything in games and doesn't back up anything he says (like how I really didn't like him in BIM2, which hey - he was scum in). I don't have a problem with him in this game so far.
so you don't like when Kevin doesn't back up something he says
and you don't have a problem with him in this game
but clearly the starting issue with Kevin in this game was that he did not back up something he said

when he finally came around to backing it up, the information he presented was information created after his initial claim

with just these small amount of facts combined with what you just said you're telling me that nothing about Kevin has bothered you up to this point?
 

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I have a highly confused read on you because you manage to write a longass answer about the simplest question. Instead of simply answering to the paragraph in its entirety you break it down into every possible fragment to ask counterquestions and to mention how wrong I am over and over. Not only does it reak of OMGUS because you discredit completely legimitate questions but you also leave your answers very vague; the Chaco/Chibo part - where a clear answer would be nice - you don't go into detail at all but you just post a one-liner. On the other hand a simple "yes" or "no" question like your stance on the Kevin/Chibo/Chaco comparision apparently requires an answer that is extremely painful to respond to.

It doesn't make sense and I still don't have a town read on you.

:059:
 

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im sorry that my careful analysis of your post which contained inaccurate, false information about me in the pre-question phase was too detailed for your liking, Gheb.

it doesn't stop the fact that i did point out how you were blatantly wrong three times. if you're going to ask me a question like that with that kind of information for support why wouldn't i question how you're deriving that info when it doesn't even exist?

and are you going to pull a Kevin and not respond to my post? i also didnt ask you if you had a town read on me. i asked what kind of read do you have on me? not having a town read still includes null read and scum read.
 

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Want to hear more from Omis, Rockin, Mentos, and JF/MB.

@ the aforementioned, Out of the following group, which two are scum?

Frozenflame, Kevin, Omni, Xiivi, Gheb

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11112975&postcount=298

This post bothers me a ****ton but I can't really explain it well yet. I'll talk about it again once I can actually dictate my thoughts properly.
Out of that list FF, I'm really not sure there are even two scum there. Let's look at each one.

FF: In all honesty, you aren't playing like scum FF usually does in my experience. Overall I would say leaning town here.

Kevin: Not really getting big scum vibes here. Early on he was playing like standard Kev, and has since started posting more detail in his posts. He has been a bit more wordy than usual, but I'm not sure if this is just frustration or a bit of a tell.

Omni: Really not feeling any major scum from Omni. He's been back and forth with Kevin most of the game and feeling like I expect from Omni. Coupled with Kevin I don't have a strong scum read toward either of them, however their back and forth doesn't really feel TvT. Couldn't pick one of the two as scum over the other yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's a scum here.

Xiivi: Don't have much experience playing with him, but it feels like his posts have lacked other than trying to buddy and throw his vote around a bit. Hopefully he'll make some posts I can actually get information from soon.

Gheb: Not feeling scum-Gheb right now. In pretty much the same position as FF because he's appeared slightly town so far.

FF, I'd love to see your problem with my 298 though. The main point of the post is pretty much what you say in your next post:

There's no stance because I don't have one. Nice job trying to call me out for not doing something I never purported to be trying to do in the first place.

No, I don't have a read on Omni yet.

It think it's funny that you say it's not really necessary for me to say whether or not I think he's the play when that's actually the only relevant question to ask considering I have little to no read.

I'll spell it out for you. I have pretty much no read on Omni but I definitely don't think he should be the play today. Not right now at least, and unless something changes drastically I don't think he will be among my top picks for the D1 play.
You say the post feels weird, but the better part of it is saying about Kevin pretty much what you say here. Not to call me out for being "fence-sitting"/not giving a stance when I didn't have one. Would like to hear exactly what your problem with it was so that I can explain myself a bit.

@kevin: igmeoy, but i also am willing to drop our 1v1 to concentrate on those eating popcorn and watching the action. i think my stance on you is made clear and your stance on me is clear; we disagree but we've established a strong enough connection for the rest of town to realize this ain't SvS.
I'm not sure why you decide to say town should realize it isn't SvS. While I agree with the general sentiment, it's kind of a weird thing for someone in the back and forth to say. Nothin really big here, just an odd phrase to use talking about an argument you were part of, and part of the reason you're still neutral to me.

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Omni- He is doing all the same things that I remember from him playing town. He is hammering people left and right, screaming loudly, and being unapologetic for his actions. The typical confident Omni that Im use to.

Gheb- Seems town to me just because I dont see a scum Gheb continuing to go after Omni like he has been

Chaco- Mad chaco is a town taco to me.

I dunno
Rockin- Just as inactive as me so I cant tell whats in his head
Nix- You seemed to mad dissapear after everybody started getting pissy at you near the beginning. What happened to all those posts you were giving us?
Jungle- Just as inactive as me so I cant tell whats in his head.
Dr. Riddler- Just as inactive as me so I cant tell whats in his head.
Xiivi- I dont know your town/scum play at all but Im leaning more towards town for your eagerness. And you are down with the cool mentos wagon.
Everyone else- still thinking about you/dont have enough to say about you


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Chibo- Like seriously you dont seem to be thinking or even trying to. Your arguement with Chaco just seemed to be you trying to get a rise out of him and ******* around. Plus your posts like @293 are really bad attempts at reaction reaching. Dont like it.

Mentos- Explained in earlier post and his recent 298 is silly. Dismissing legit concerns about inactivity is pretty cool.
It's been said a bit before, but this post doesn't have really anything new in it. Also quoted so I could say your explanation in your 212 isn't really that strong. Pretty much the only thing you've said against me is that I was passive about a player who had one post at the time(NO WAY!), and that I "defended" FF with year old meta, when I really just commented on a piece of discussion from the time and said it didn't fit with what I expected from FrozenScum, and I didn't find it scummy in general.

Anyways, I'm kinda shocked that an omni wagon was actually getting support. People were giving him **** for the way he pressured people(Gheb vs Omni comes to mind. Though I got the impression that Gheb was just arguing due to a conflict of ideals). Omni's pressure is actually useful. I remember as scum in ff7, he was the most annoying to deal with, especially since it seemed that he had a lot of push in town. He's prolly the only reason I even posted. So though I have no idea on what I think his alignment is, I do think he like obviously needs to stay just cuz he doesforce other people to talk. By discrediting Omni's play/pressure game, people are making his targets/inactives less inclined to actually feel pressured from it.
This part of your post really bugs me. You use FF7 as an example when you were out of that game within 3 days of the start, and had been prodded before doing so. You were so barely in that game I forgot you were even me and Chaco's original scum-partner. Pretty much I'm just not sure why you would reference a game you can barely be considered a part of for thoughts on Omni. Plus the main reason Omni was so useful to town was because he was forced to claim mid-D1 and had the most ridiculously good gambit I've ever seen helping him along.

You have zero good reads with all this information for a SWF D1?

Honestly...?
Not too surprising compared to how I've played in the past. I second guess most of what I think until later in the game 9 times out of 10, so it's rare for me to have any confidence in a read this early.

With that I'm going to Vote: Dr. Riddler

I'd like to hear Mac's response as to why he uses an example for why Omni should live when he wasn't even really a part of the game he references, and there is a very specific reason why Omni's game was so powerful in FF7.

If anyone feels like I missed something they would like a response to, I'm around all day so let me know and I'll get back on it ASAP.
 

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what are your thoughts on chibo, chaco, and the rest of the cast
 

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Also I'd like to say a few things.

Omni you did exactly what I wanted to do to build a case on my initial vibes that you were scummy.

You started talking more and more, so yes of course my case is going to grow from the initial inklings of me wanting to lynch you.

You are in fact making a case based off something that can be looked at as, Kevin said I was scum and he couldn't have gotten a firm idea, as I responded he formed clearer responses as to why he thought so ergo he is scummy.

Mentos, your post doesn't sit well with me but I think it more has to do with how out of the loop you are. You're saying me being more verbose could possibly be a tell but all you would have to do is look at the numerous games I've won lately as scum and seen that I barely needed to post to let town chew each other up. You would be blatantly misconstruing meta to say, he's posting more which could mean he is scum.

Also the rest of your post to me doesn't take any firm stances.

Chibo please stop posting bull**** fluff from other games, that post only dilutes the actual conversation we have going. Super Scum Brothers Melee.

Still blows my mind no one thinks Chaco is a viable D1 lynch.
 

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what are your thoughts on chibo, chaco, and the rest of the cast
Not a big fan of going over thoughts on everyone in the game. Chaco I've called out once for something that I didn't like and in all honesty he's still sitting as a potential lynch. He's been off the whole game, and his repeated johns as to why he's not sure of anything going on is admitting to skimming constantly. If he doesn't step it up I'd be in for him as a lynch candidate.

Chibo I don't have a strong read on one way or the other. I don't think he was doing as bad as everyone called him out for when he first got back from V/LA, and haven't seen anything screaming town or scum to me. I'll re-read everything from him and see if I pick up anything I missed the first time, it'll be up in a bit.


Mentos, your post doesn't sit well with me but I think it more has to do with how out of the loop you are. You're saying me being more verbose could possibly be a tell but all you would have to do is look at the numerous games I've won lately as scum and seen that I barely needed to post to let town chew each other up. You would be blatantly misconstruing meta to say, he's posting more which could mean he is scum.

Also the rest of your post to me doesn't take any firm stances.
Eh, I know you can chew up town as scum without posting a lot Kev, that's why I specifically said I'm not sure if it's a tell or frustration/something else. Pretty much all I meant was that is you're playing different than usual, and while I'm inclined to think it's a byproduct of the situation, as you said I'm out of the loop around here so with hearing that you've been playing much like I used to see lately, and seeing a difference now, it's something I've got to keep note of. Differences in playstyle=good to note, even if you're not sure exactly what they mean:)

As for taking firm stances, I really don't have a lot yet. Other than leaning town on FF/Gheb as I mentioned, no one has done anything severely town or anti-town yet, so I don't have a really strong stance to take yet. As more gets going, especially more that's not back and forth between you and Omni, that'll start to change.
 

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idk how u guys can be ok with Chaco dyin over Chibo
To me, Chibo's been more so unhelpful then scummy. As opposed to Chaco who comes across as scummy.

Also @Mentos I think you quoted something Frozen said @ us in your 2nd most recent post. Probably a misquote, but it's odd regardless.
 

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chuckie, can you explain to me why you think Chaco is more scummy and why you think chibo is more unehlpful?
 

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Chuckie, try reading my post and you'll see why I quoted that one :) It's pretty clearly spelled out in there why I quoted it even though it wasn't directed at me.
 

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Ok, and as for Chibo as I promised earlier, I've just re-read every post since the end of his V/LA. I don't have a problem with him at this point, and do not believe he's the play today. There's been a few times when his views have lined up with mine(him getting flak for posting while catching up vs Xiivi not giving anything and slinking by, some of his thoughts on Chaco's posts) but I don't think he's heavily on the townie side. Definitely not feeling him as the play for today though.
 

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That was a clever question because I don't think Vanz implied Chibo was more unhelpful than Chaco (says the other Chuckie who is reading this as a bystander)! :chuckle: Wii (and by this I mean Vanz) implied Chibo's posts aren't as scummy as they are unhelpful, independent of Chaco. Vanz will reply to you more specifically because he made the above post - wii've been pretty disconnected this game... The one time wii united on aim wii spoke about vegemite and marmite... =?

However, if you want ChuckieKat's comparison of the two - I think Chaco is scummier and want him buried 6 feet under. The reason I don't mind killing Chibo is because Chibo/Chaco exchange felt scripted, needless, unprogressive... it was dumb[o]... hence I find them suitable as Day 1 lynches, also because they both start with "Ch" and end in "O", but only one has an extra "c" and needs to die first.

I got logged out by Vanz when writing the below but notepad saved me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDRlqZAj_js
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~CHUCKIE'S ORIGINAL POST~

I really don't know what to think of him anymore. Just for that reason I'd be very glad if he dies because he's intentionally being a pain to deal with and gives us nothing to work with. I'm just flip-flopping over him and it's mostly the fact that few people are against his lynch that make me second-guess the idea of lynching him.
Well our question didn't really care that you don't know what to think of Chaco anymore - However, wii do care how, at the time of your #417, Chaco went from scum to town... wouldn't you agree, then, there must have been something he or possibly others did in the playground for you to make that transition?, wii're interested in what it was!

Also your take on Chaco's lynch seems to be both pro and anti to an extent - which is it more? Who do you place above him? What do you make of Omni's "gut feeling" smothered all over Chaco?

If anyone feels like I missed something
Wii feel like the apocalypse could crash down on Earth and yet you'd still miss everything! Must be the hookah :chuckle: I hope it's watermelon flavour! "When more gets going"... how much more are you talking about here? There have been plenty of back and forths, strong interactions and yet for some reason your thoughts feel very lukewarm to us... why is it you think you don't have any strong stances yet? If you were forced by the government to side with one of Kevin vs Chaco, who would it be? Why not the other?
 

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To answer your question, I've already said I'm not fond of the way Chaco's been playing and he's a good potential lynch, and that I haven't seen anything majorly wrong with Kevin yet, so it's pretty much covered:) In short, if I had to choose Kev or Chaco to lynch it would be Chaco hands down.

As for the "more gets going" part, that mostly refers to as the game progresses. I'm traditionally pretty slow at getting good scum reads especially, so despite all that's happened so far it'll still take some more to get something really solid. Also, a large portion so far has been taken up pretty focused on Kevin/Omni, so I feel like a lot of players are still really in the "I've been here, but there hasn't been much circling me" category, which makes me feel like my opinions will be biased by not having a solid amount from everyone. This is also why I've tried to make my posts all have at least something that can be dissected for use, because since I haven't been the most active player I feel like my posts should all have something to be looked at.
 

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Hey guys an amazing idea just occured to me let's lynch Xiivi anybody down?

Unvote Vote Xiivi

Well our question didn't really care that you don't know what to think of Chaco anymore - However, wii do care how, at the time of your #417, Chaco went from scum to town... wouldn't you agree, then, there must have been something he or possibly others did in the playground for you to make that transition?, wii're interested in what it was!
I don't see where in that post I made that "transition". I was convinced that Chaco is scum for quite a while but now I'm unsure. Never got a town read on him though.

Also your take on Chaco's lynch seems to be both pro and anti to an extent - which is it more?
Pro but not top priority atm

Who do you place above him?
Xiivi and Omis for sure; maybe Mentos

What do you make of Omni's "gut feeling" smothered all over Chaco?
If you read through my posts you'd see that I find virtually all of Omni's stances questionable. This one is no exception.

:059:
 

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@Omni: what Kat said. Chibo vs Chaco was a waste of space really (arguing over the difference between scummy and anti-town pretty much), that could of been spent on actual scum hunting. And Chibo really hasn't posted much apart from that. And it's been fairly null useless stuff anyway. I'm fine with giving Chibo a pass to tomorrow, because while he isn't really posting much, he at least has had some sort of input into the game. If we're going to lynch someone based on inactivity/unhelpfulness alone there is a whole group of better candidates imo. And Kat has covered why Chaco is scummy, which while I'm in two minds about tbh I'm fine with echoing him because quite often he's spot on.

Also, Kat and I had a dnm last night about our feelings on the game (among other things lol) which wii believe sums up our thoughts so far. Even if it's not particularly "deep" it may at least provide some entertainment :p.

[collapse=Chuckie's super secret discussions]kataefi: (9:51:41 PM)remind me why we were voting mentos?
VanDerLaZant: (9:52:15 PM)well apart from his blatant inactivity
kataefi: (9:52:15 PM)also chibo looks too "easy" to me... can't think straight about him just yet but I'd prefer chaco over him
kataefi: (9:52:26 PM)wouldn't mind seeing him lynched though
kataefi: (9:52:29 PM)yeah
VanDerLaZant: (9:52:32 PM)mentos was a bit wishy washy iirc
VanDerLaZant: (9:52:48 PM)xiivi called him out on it i think, just go read it lol
VanDerLaZant: (9:52:53 PM)but chibo hmm
VanDerLaZant: (9:53:06 PM)i really feel his whole back and forth with chaco was dumb
kataefi: (9:53:17 PM)curiously...
kataefi: (9:53:22 PM)why are you trusting xiivi?
VanDerLaZant: (9:53:46 PM)well i haven't seen any reason not to so far
kataefi: (9:54:05 PM)becuase of the posts mentos has posted I feel there are better "lurkers" to get rid of first
VanDerLaZant: (9:54:16 PM)i hopped on the mentos wagon with him because I thought it's be a good way to get a read on both players
kataefi: (9:54:22 PM)I didn't even realise nix was in the game until he last posted =?
kataefi: (9:54:23 PM)and omis
VanDerLaZant: (9:54:44 PM)but neither really continued it and it ended up being pointless
VanDerLaZant: (9:55:17 PM)yeah nix is just popping in everynow and then, commenting on like 1 out of 20 things then dissapering
VanDerLaZant: (9:55:38 PM)i know omni/gheb and possibly others said they were fine with him earlier on
VanDerLaZant: (9:55:39 PM)actually
VanDerLaZant: (9:55:48 PM)i'd like to see if they've changed their mind about it
VanDerLaZant: (9:55:54 PM)because really
VanDerLaZant: (9:56:06 PM)we have a good pool of inactives like you said
VanDerLaZant: (9:56:28 PM)and either one of them would make a good lynch tbh, but a lot of people are pretty specific with who they want
VanDerLaZant: (9:57:10 PM)but yeah, nix really doesn't have a presence in this game
VanDerLaZant: (9:58:24 PM)Even summoner bugged me on early game
kataefi: (9:58:43 PM)Nix doesn't have a presence I agree
VanDerLaZant: (9:58:51 PM)like, I see a lot of scum just ask a heap of questions and not really follow through with it
VanDerLaZant: (9:58:58 PM)i.e. me in cartoons
kataefi: (9:58:59 PM)oh?
kataefi: (9:59:01 PM)wait
kataefi: (9:59:04 PM)see
VanDerLaZant: (9:59:05 PM)swiss in pikmafia
kataefi: (9:59:10 PM)I like summoner atm
VanDerLaZant: (9:59:14 PM)but i think he's improved
VanDerLaZant: (9:59:20 PM)lol i was getting their
kataefi: (9:59:27 PM)I'm more comfortable holding hands with summoner than i am with omni
VanDerLaZant: (9:59:44 PM)i dunno, ive never played with him, which makes it hard to read him
VanDerLaZant: (10:00:01 PM)oh really?
kataefi: (10:00:09 PM)yep
VanDerLaZant: (10:00:31 PM)omni seemed a bit off to me, but i like him better after the kevin spat
kataefi: (10:00:34 PM)only because I can imagine omni being more the type of player to be more deceptive than summoner
kataefi: (10:01:16 PM)like he could be leading town in bad directions as scum because of how vocal he is and how he steps his foot in every single person's business
VanDerLaZant: (10:01:21 PM)like, i really don't mind his playstyle
VanDerLaZant: (10:01:35 PM)it's difference, but imo it can work
kataefi: (10:01:52 PM)summoner looks more like a laid-back omni to me
kataefi: (10:01:55 PM)it's all vibes atm
VanDerLaZant: (10:02:03 PM)but again i don't know scum omni, except for when I played a marathon game, but i dont even remember that lol
VanDerLaZant: (10:02:20 PM)hmm who else?
VanDerLaZant: (10:02:47 PM)i'm fine with frozen. he's very different to my scumbuddy in dgames
kataefi: (10:03:00 PM)ooo what was he like there?
kataefi: (10:03:11 PM)do you believe in meta btw?
VanDerLaZant: (10:03:13 PM)well apart from posting like once every week
VanDerLaZant: (10:03:18 PM)yeah to a degree
kataefi: (10:03:25 PM)I'm always really sceptical whenever people bring up arguments about meta
kataefi: (10:03:35 PM)only because I find it too easy to lie in a forum
VanDerLaZant: (10:03:39 PM)i try not to use it for an argument
kataefi: (10:03:40 PM)and I'm sure everyone else does too
VanDerLaZant: (10:03:53 PM)but I can't help notice playstyle difference
kataefi: (10:03:59 PM)it's partly why I'm sceptical of Chaco being town as well
VanDerLaZant: (10:04:03 PM)and i'm going to point them out regardless
kataefi: (10:04:09 PM)yeah that's very true
VanDerLaZant: (10:04:09 PM)lol chaco'
VanDerLaZant: (10:04:26 PM)i felt like bringing up BIM, but then i was like naaaaa
kataefi: (10:04:35 PM)I want run chaco over with a toy tractor
VanDerLaZant: (10:04:35 PM)don't want to be salty lol
VanDerLaZant: (10:05:53 PM)brb sorry getting some creamed rice
kataefi: (10:06:09 PM)see... like I mentioned in chuckie's brain, I think chaco appears more unreasonable in the kev/chaco exchange
kataefi: (10:06:15 PM)it was that question that bugged me...
kataefi: (10:06:24 PM)you know what I'm like with questions lol
kataefi: (10:06:41 PM)creamed rice? =?
kataefi: (10:07:14 PM)skip skip skip skip skippy... lay a little egg for me
kataefi: (10:07:21 PM)let me know when you get back btw
VanDerLaZant: (10:09:54 PM)ha i'm back
VanDerLaZant: (10:10:01 PM)creamed rice is like the best
VanDerLaZant: (10:10:12 PM)i never liked it until about a month ago
kataefi: (10:10:17 PM)it's called rice pudding over here =p
VanDerLaZant: (10:10:18 PM)and im obsessed now lol
kataefi: (10:10:30 PM)I always have it with honey
kataefi: (10:10:33 PM)or jam
kataefi: (10:10:36 PM)mmmmmm
VanDerLaZant: (10:10:37 PM)really?
VanDerLaZant: (10:10:49 PM)are you sure it's the same thing?
VanDerLaZant: (10:11:04 PM)like, you buy this in a tin, or in a yoghurt tub
kataefi: (10:11:18 PM)I just looked it up
kataefi: (10:11:21 PM)yeah it looks the same
kataefi: (10:11:28 PM)it's basically rice that's... creamy?
kataefi: (10:11:42 PM)rice in a cream
kataefi: (10:11:46 PM)no?
VanDerLaZant: (10:11:58 PM)yeah
VanDerLaZant: (10:12:11 PM)but jam? hmm thats interesting
kataefi: (10:12:20 PM)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXs3eq68ZjE
VanDerLaZant: (10:12:20 PM)see in aus
VanDerLaZant: (10:12:26 PM)we just eat it with vegimite
kataefi: (10:12:27 PM)mmmm! I might make it now!
VanDerLaZant: (10:12:30 PM)lol jks
kataefi: (10:12:39 PM)but I'm at work >.>
VanDerLaZant: (10:12:41 PM)i didnt even spell vegemite
kataefi: (10:12:43 PM)woah what's vegimite?
kataefi: (10:12:51 PM)it sounds disgusting!
VanDerLaZant: (10:12:54 PM)lol
VanDerLaZant: (10:13:02 PM)surely you kid??
kataefi: (10:13:07 PM)well
kataefi: (10:13:10 PM)we have marmite here
VanDerLaZant: (10:13:32 PM)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yA98MujNeM
kataefi: (10:13:32 PM)I don't think the kangaroos would like marmite very much
kataefi: (10:13:44 PM)vegemite sounds similar but the vegetarian version of it
kataefi: (10:13:46 PM)ah
VanDerLaZant: (10:13:57 PM)vegemite is like an australian tradition
VanDerLaZant: (10:14:09 PM)it's probably the most australian thing their is
VanDerLaZant: (10:14:26 PM)like when tourists come to aus, they buy some and try to eat it
kataefi: (10:14:31 PM)oh wow
VanDerLaZant: (10:14:31 PM)and usually hate it'
kataefi: (10:14:37 PM)volume dooooown
kataefi: (10:14:46 PM)lol it played at work
kataefi: (10:14:48 PM)oh god
VanDerLaZant: (10:15:16 PM)ha sorry
kataefi: (10:15:27 PM)what does it taste like?
VanDerLaZant: (10:15:35 PM)really salty
kataefi: (10:15:37 PM)a veggie? =p
VanDerLaZant: (10:15:43 PM)like, you have to spread it really thin
VanDerLaZant: (10:15:46 PM)on bread
kataefi: (10:15:49 PM)vanz....
kataefi: (10:15:53 PM)I just realised
kataefi: (10:16:00 PM)that this is almost exactly the same as marmite!
VanDerLaZant: (10:16:05 PM)oh really???
kataefi: (10:16:12 PM)marmite's quite big here!
kataefi: (10:16:16 PM)see?
kataefi: (10:16:19 PM)our nations have united!
kataefi: (10:16:23 PM)well done!
VanDerLaZant: (10:16:28 PM)haha
VanDerLaZant: (10:16:43 PM)well people generally either love or hate vegemite
VanDerLaZant: (10:16:47 PM)their is no in between
kataefi: (10:16:53 PM)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-878Nc4gzPA
kataefi: (10:16:54 PM)!
kataefi: (10:17:04 PM)it's the vegemite/marmite taste-off
VanDerLaZant: (10:17:13 PM)HAHAH
kataefi: (10:17:26 PM)this is better than... life!
kataefi: (10:17:28 PM)I love it!
VanDerLaZant: (10:17:52 PM)this is amazing
VanDerLaZant: (10:18:38 PM)lol the guy at around 1.20
VanDerLaZant: (10:18:52 PM)trys marmite then has like 4 biscuits with vegimite
kataefi: (10:18:53 PM)1:35 is the best lol
kataefi: (10:19:02 PM)lol!
kataefi: (10:19:06 PM)he's rubbing it all over himself
VanDerLaZant: (10:19:07 PM)ahaha just saw that
kataefi: (10:19:22 PM)this is so inappropriate right now hahahaaaa!
kataefi: (10:19:30 PM)I need to minimise my screen lol
kataefi: (10:19:52 PM)right
kataefi: (10:20:06 PM)vanz who would you look into then if mentos flipped scum?
VanDerLaZant: (10:20:23 PM)well
VanDerLaZant: (10:20:43 PM)i don't know, probably someone who opposed the wagon? but i dont know if anyone did
kataefi: (10:20:46 PM)if Chaco flips scum I would begin looking into those that defended him, those that subtly defended him, and those that really went for him... which is stupid because that would be almost everyone lol
kataefi: (10:20:47 PM)so
kataefi: (10:21:10 PM)I'd probably look at omni/gheb first, maybe nix, and maybe re-evaluate kevin.... but I still stand by what I said in the thread btw
kataefi: (10:21:15 PM)that Kevin looks pretty townie to me right now
kataefi: (10:21:24 PM)if chaco flips town...
kataefi: (10:21:27 PM)sue me
kataefi: (10:21:37 PM)or take over chuckie's brain
VanDerLaZant: (10:21:43 PM)ha ok
kataefi: (10:22:04 PM)still... I'd probably become really paranoid over omni/gheb some more
kataefi: (10:22:31 PM)only because I'd ask why weren't they on the wagon in the first place when it was building momentum
kataefi: (10:22:41 PM)and then I'd think it's because they KNEW chaco would pop up town...
kataefi: (10:23:13 PM)but then omni's really been pushing for other lynches so momentum could have switched either way... and so it would probably point to gheb being scum more to me possibly... though this is all quick-talk right now
VanDerLaZant: (10:23:23 PM)yeah
kataefi: (10:24:51 PM)I just don't like inactives =( why do they exist?!
VanDerLaZant: (10:25:12 PM)yeah especially that moderator lol
kataefi: (10:25:49 PM)makes me think there's always 2 directions we could go in... the choice to get rid of the inactives quickly first or the choice to get some really controversial lynches etc etc...
kataefi: (10:25:56 PM)yeah I wonder what's happened to tom?
kataefi: (10:26:08 PM)maybe the cheshire cat ate him...
kataefi: (10:26:11 PM)I dunno[/collapse]

Oh look, a wild arcanine appeared!
 

mentosman8

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To answer your question about tom chuckie, I think it was saturday when he said he'd be gone two days, should be back today. Work time now, I'll try to check in on break to see if anything interesting is going on.
 

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Not down Gheb. I think people want to know what made you change your mind.

@Chuckie: My name's Tom so we could have a Chuckie and Tommy handholding :OOOOOOO
 

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I've been having rl emergencies to deal with. sorry for being inactive tight when i said I was gonna be active again.

i searched riddles name: @mentos: I didnt mean the first ff7, I meant whichever game I just played recently. With frozen and vand as my scumpartners.
 

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*pops in randomly*

Seriously >_> People forget about me a lot...Its probably the only reason I live so long sometimes is cause mafia forgets about me as a target, *shrug*

Vote: Chaco

More pressure! I actually want to see what Chaco would do the closer he gets to being lynched.

Correct me if I am wrong, but between the whole arguments of chaco vs chibo, did either of them really post anything defending themselves from some of the accusations? I tried going through it all but I'm still a bit icky from the Flu so I am not 100% here yet -_-

Getting better -_- should pick up again in a day or two..until then.....*pops back out, Off to bed!*
 

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man, a lot of people seem to be on this Chaco thing. i gave him partial blinders because i liked that he liked me and disliked chibo/kevin (which are my thoughts exactly). also his playstyle (meta) doesn't smell in the least bit for me in regards to what i know about town chaco and scum chaco. scum chaco is usually much more composed but meh

nah im sticking to my gut. i totally like chibo over chaco still. im almost positive there's scum between chibo/kev. id want chaco in lylo over chibo anyday of the week
 
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