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[m-1, 14, 28] avril lavigne mafia - over

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I agree on Nich. I had an early town read on you, but your play toDay in comparison to your previous play urks me. a lot.

I'm uncomfortable all with Vanderzant, Nich, and MarshEE. Vanderzant has been posting a bit more, but he doesn't seem town to me in any way. I want to trust MarshEE because Tom did, but his absence is throwing things off big time. Of the three I wouldn't be willing to lynch MarshEE and I would lynch Vander over Nich.

I don't really trust any of the three claimed persons. I still think MK is scum. Chibo is scummy, and so is Frozen.
 

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vote deadline extension

I'm with Nich on this one. I want to see his substantial post as well as something from MarshEE. I really don't want to end the day without hearing from him.
 

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NICH: What do you speculate about the way this game is set up? We've had no NK N1 and a confirmed patriot. A kill N2 with confirmed Cop. A claimed gravedigger, nurse, and jailer. What do you make of it?
 

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I agree on Nich. I had an early town read on you, but your play toDay in comparison to your previous play urks me. a lot.

I'm uncomfortable all with Vanderzant, Nich, and MarshEE. Vanderzant has been posting a bit more, but he doesn't seem town to me in any way. I want to trust MarshEE because Tom did, but his absence is throwing things off big time. Of the three I wouldn't be willing to lynch MarshEE and I would lynch Vander over Nich.

I don't really trust any of the three claimed persons. I still think MK is scum. Chibo is scummy, and so is Frozen.
So you're uncomfortable with everyone bar Omni? Zen, there is a HIGHLY likely chance that you've been copped, so tell us who the play should be alright?

I dunno about Nich. I've had him as Town for most of the game... he's just gone inactive. Kind of like Marshy. I'd lynch them but I still want one of frozen/chibo/mk to go first.
 

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[Collapse=Vote Count]Vanderzant (1) - MarshEE
Zensei (1) : Chibosempai
Frozenflame751 (2): Vanderzant
, Omni
Omni (1): Meta-Kirby
Meta-Kirby (1): Nich

Not voting (2): Zensei, frozenflame751

5/8 to lynch

Deadline is Friday August 20 at 11:59:59 pm est
[/Collapse]

I think that's correct. Come on people, why are we so split at this stage?
 

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So make up your mind Omni, are we gonna call for tracker claim only, or a Doc claim to see exactly what our protective role situation is? Depending on who claims what we may end up with pretty much everyone claiming anyway. =/
dont want a full claim toDay.

i say we risk it all and lynch you and let our PR's get to work tonight.
 

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also find it odd that you'd leave that kinda call up to me.

but yeah lets just kill frozen. a lot of people have been saying that i'm "wrong" or have been "leading town" but i've just wanted Frozen to die and that still hasn't happen. dood needs to not be alive toMorrow. i dont want nich alive tomorrow either. but

as much as i dislike Nich's play scum would be horrendously dumb to claim a gravedigger role when the absence of a tracker claim can completely shut down their claim. it's a very dangerous claim and the only gambit for it is to bait out the tracker in this kind of scenario.

anyway, i really like the idea of Chibo jailing Zensei. Zensei, do you dislike this idea? a simple yes or no will suffice.

i never would have imagined that i'd be betting it all on siding with Vander/Zensei when i found them to be the most ambigious players earlier in the game
 

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sorry but lack of vote counts from me though i dont think votes have been running rampant. im still on my phone and dont have my internet on campus hooked up yet.

there will be no deadline extension
 

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:/ just realized xiivi's normal deadline extension rule isn't in the OP

but yea I think I'm gonna do this
Unvote Vote Omni

Forcing claims out of at least 3 players (haven't read the part where Nich claims yet so idk what happened there), yet "doesn't want a full claim" and won't claim himself.
Was against the idea of a deadline extension before we knew we couldn't have one, which makes me think he's fine with the suspicion not on him and the majority of the votes not on him, etc.

I'm potentially willing to switch and will be posting more later, but this is what I feel safest with right now.
 

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im against the deadline extension because we have absolutely zero reason to request one.

is that your entire case on me? the claims were my idea but i didnt singlehandledly force everyone to claim. the idea of claiming in a potential mylo situation is not at all indifferent. zensei, frozen, and vander were fine with the claiming process as well. it was agreed upon. nich claimed himself. frozen's claim was based on pushing him to L-1 and him about to be the play and, again, a majority response to people wanting him to claim.

i explained why i didn't want a full claim. you haven't replied to that response.
i explained why i'm not claiming myself. you haven't replied to that response.
and uh duh im ok with votes not being on me.

i completely debunked your earlier argument on me and you come up with another one that doesn't hold any kind of weight to it? i don't even see an element of scummy motive behind this case.

so im assuming you want to save face and pair up with Frozen/MK in order to get rid of me toDay. OK.

i also enjoy watching you completely ignore things like nich and responses to your weak arguments.
 

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lets also ignore:
- me not wanting a kirbyoshi lynch
- me holding hands with tom/os who were ironically in a town mason
- you (mac), frozen, and, mk on the kirbyoshi lynch
- vander and/or zensei and OS being against the kirbyoshi lynch
- me pushing a really good hard meta on tom on the bases of investigating which may have lead to him being the NK target
- me not being able to have my lynch targets lynched the entire game (frozen, mac/you)

so dar the people i've trusted have either flipped town and/or is not a top pick for lynch (except Zensei)
and the people i've distrusted have been top picks for almost being lynched for both nights. it is a bit ironic that the people i've thought needed to be lynched from early game and or the largest picks for the night are trying to target me. i actually think that HELPS my case, lol
 

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also, assuming that i am scum means that i wanted Tom dead. given the length of my meta in an attempt to clear him (which was not necessary in the least bit) and the overall scuminess from the rest of the cast still existing there's no way Tom would be a liability Day 3 for me.

just everything about me being the play is horrible and you (chibo) haven't done diddly squat in an attempt to say otherwise

ninjad: marshy, get on your grind. now. immediately.
 

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A few quick thoughts...


I just don't see the argument behind Omni-scum. He wanted the likely lynch targets to claim immediately so we didn't waste time, is that so bad Chibo? (And for the record, I claimed immediately on entering the game. No pressure was applied.)

And Chibo, I want a straight answer from you. Why do you believe Frozen's nurse claim when you're a jailkeeper?

@Omni
Why didn't you want a deadline extension? I think we could use it.

@Zensei
My best guess as to the patriot and the NK would be 2 scum, one of which is a recruiter. Not buying the Jailkeeper + nurse combo.

@everyone
What do you guys think of a no-lynch? That will put us at LYLO, and it gives us a chance to test Chibo's jailkeeper claim. Just throwing the idea out there, but if we get a PR claim, then we can use it to test Chibo's jailkeeper claim by protecting/blocking it. Since I don't think that both Frozen and Chibo can be town (due to conflicting claims), that maneuver should net us one scum.

I think a MK/Chibo lynch is our best bet, with a slight emphasis on MK so we can test Chibo's claim tonight.

I'm undecided on Frozen. When he does post, he's townish, but he just doesn't post.

@Marshy
Who's scum?

@Frozen
Why are you never active?
 

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unvote -_-
@nich i still dont get why they are conflicting, iv asked this and no one answered. im down with proving my claim tonight, and if tomorrow everyone still feels conflicted about our claims then we'll lynch frozen.

just tell me the plan, am i stopping someone elses power or protecting someone from a power? either way im down
vote meta-kirby

@omni i thought iv replied to everything youve wanted me to more or less, if theres anything you want clarification on il do so
 

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stop voting on a whim, Chibo.

@Nich: yes we needed it, but we didn't deserve it in the least bit. the past few days have literally withered away and we wasted it on our own accord without any random or outside influence that would change it.

i thought about a no lynch, but i do not want to go into lylo with a potential Frozen/MK/Chibo alive all in the same day. we can still tests Chibo's jailer theory tonight, but the one thing we can never verify is Frozen's nurse claim. also your recent inactivity has made me weary about you since originally i wanted to hold hands with you in spirit after i loss tom/os
 

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Vanderzant (1) - MarshEE
Frozenflame751 (2): Vanderzant
, Omni
Meta-Kirby (2):
Nicholas1024, ChiboSempai
Omni (1):
Meta-Kirby
Not voting (2): Zensei, frozenflame751

5/8 to lynch

Deadline is Friday August 20 at 11:59:59 pm est
 

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i voted mk because the three main ppl on fire here are me mk and ff
the general consensus seems that ppl want to wait on me and see my night action proven tonight.
ppl seem to think that my role and ffs cant exist in the same game so if my role is proven tonight that makes ff a good play for tomorrow
which leaves mk, hence my vote
 

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chibo, do you even find mk scummy?

again this is potential mylo. voting based of process of elimination isnt a luxary we can enjoy
 

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class till 3. posting from phone.
zensei i dropped name just in case I found trend with flavor, such as mafia = mods or something of nature. Also partially scared a vt claim was worthless which I still think it is, i just took an extra step.
chibo you're becoming more scummy to me, dropping a vote on somebody simply because they have worst claim? Did you not consider that those not claimed are standing by?
I feel like you're the best play today, why let him live and run risk of mafia when we know that jailer + nurse + gravedigger + tracker + doctor = wtf.
sorry this is ugly. typing in class is fun woo.
 

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smh

yea, mk can live. u see what i mean @ Zensei? i think chibo should live in order to do his jail thing. i also said earlier that im pretty confident both zensei/chibo will be ok unless mafia have ******** abilities.

so lets just kill frozen and be done and over with it
 

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Yeah I was going to say the same thing after thinking it over this morning. Frozen is the play for today.

Vander I'm uncomfortable with you three because of the lack of contribution/influence.

Omni I disagree with your plan, it would not clear Chibo and would be a waste of his action. By jailing me (or anyone) as a mean of protection, and me still living through the night says nothing especially since the mafia would could simply kill somone else or no kill if Chibo is scum. The only way this plan would kind of work is if Chibo used is jailer ability as a way to roleblock a known power role in which the person would be able to know if they were blocked. To test this would be a waste however as it would just be revealing the powerole and Chibo would most likely be killed during the night anywho.

I think the best way for Chibo to use his role is to attempt to roleblock a scum NK. While this still could lead to WIFOM (scum choosing not to NK) I think it is the most beneficial way to utilize his claimed role especially if he has a chance of being NKd. It would allow us to know who he targeted, and if there is no kill during the night we could make assumption that his target is a hitman/SK/etc. If this does happen it would then be best not to lynch the person he targeted but to continue to jail them so they cannot use their NK (and to confirm they are in fact scum, eliminating the WIFOM). As to what to do if there is a kill during the night depends on Frozen's flip.

Now the question is, who should Chibo target?
 

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lol @ Omni. Now I'm hoping that people will finally see how little sense you've been making. Let's take a look:

hm. nah i dont think we need to do all or nothing today. i think getting 2 claims in will help narrow the lynch pool enough to make a really good vote. spilling all the beans for scum isnt the wisest choice in this situation imo.
Ok so you've been tossing around "doc/tracker" claim and different pairings of just player's claiming throughout the day with the intent of verifying/falsifying the claims of myself/Nich/and Chibo, or at least their likelihood of being true. You got Chibo to claim initially which lead us to even come to the idea of asking for these other claims. You said yourself that you wanted the claims to lead to a good solid lynch target but all it has done so far is raise a whole new slew of questions concerning who's claims are legit and who's aren't, yet you don't want any more claims to happen. lolwut? You're just perfectly content to "risk it all" and just lynch me today? Man that's some solid town play, let me tell ya.

At this point I'm not letting your empty fear mongering slide. What do we have to be afraid of with a mass claim "giving scum info" when we have so many alleged protective roles? Where does spilling the beans put us that is so much worse than where we are already in probably MYLO? How is mass claiming now any different than massclaiming in typical lylo/mylo? Oh I know, it has a high likelyhood of LITERALLY CONFIRMING OR AT LEAST HIGHLY SUGGESTING EITHER ME, CHIBO, OR NICH ARE SCUM. Oh wait that's not a bad thing at all. Why isn't omni behind this again? Oh because he's scum and is only picking for the info he wants, not what's best for the town.

i thought about a no lynch, but i do not want to go into lylo with a potential Frozen/MK/Chibo alive all in the same day. we can still tests Chibo's jailer theory tonight, but the one thing we can never verify is Frozen's nurse claim. also your recent inactivity has made me weary about you since originally i wanted to hold hands with you in spirit after i loss tom/os
Ok so we have less than 24 hours to deadline, with conflicting claims and the ability to simply call for the rest of the claims to get ourselves in a position of greater certainty. We also have Chibo's ability which is completely night confirmable, yet you want to gamble everything and go a for a lynch in mylo when we could simply let the deadline hit, no lynch, and find out for sure whether or not Chibo is legit. How does that make any sense at all? Your reasoning is that you "don't want me alive in lylo", as if you're suggesting I become a threat then but I'm not to you now? Wtf? You're implying that I'd become MORE of the play just be virtue of being in lylo as opposed to probably mylo. How are you drawing that distinction? How could you possibly be any more suspicious of me anyway? If you've got me pegged as scum as you've pretty much been claiming all game, why does it matter whether or not you lynch me in mylo or lylo? Like lolwut? By going no lynch now, you just belay the risk, get the necessary night actions needed to confirm/deny existing claims, and make a better more informed play tomorrow. It doesn't undermine your precious ability to push for me tomorrow in the least.

You may not be able to 100% verify my claim but you can come **** close if the doc dies and I make a save. Ultimately though instead of trying to maximize our info available to try and resolve this question of "is doc/nurse/jailor" likely, you're just trying to brute force through your top lynch pick disguised as some empty attempt to build a better more informed potential lylo.

The point is if we go no lynch, yes we will likely be in lylo, but we'll have the chance to confirm/deny the likelihood of all these power roles and actually narrow down the lynch choices to a couple solid ones like you CLAIMED you wanted to do but actually haven't acted that way in the slightest.

I also wasn't "leaving the call up to you", I was trying to get you to take a solid stance on what exactly we were gonna call for claim wise. But then you didn't take any stance at all and kept trying to put up these empty argument for why we had was enough, when in reality you just had what you needed to suit YOUR purposes and narrow things down to YOUR targets, even though there is plenty more info to be had.

Purposely going no lynch in mylo is typically motivated by a game heavy with night actions and the desire to use them to solidify potentially conflicting information. This game fits that PERFECTLY and as such it makes SO much more sense to just take the no lynch instead of trying to hammer through some poorly thought out lynch when any decision we make tomorrow with the knowledge we can attain tonight would be a MUCH better one. Trying to push for any kind of last minute lynch right now with our incomplete information just SCREAMS scum to me and is just awful play.

Vote: Omni

Still scum but honestly no lynch is still the least risky and most informative idea follow by mass claim tomorrow.
 

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im not voting mk because he has the worst claim. gotta follow town more or less and its become obvious to me at this point with so little time left that its likely gonna be me ff or mk. believe me, i would choose omni as my #1 most want to lynch, but as soon as i voted him i saw how little support there was from town on the lynch and with this little time left, there needs to be support on the lynch. i then explained why mk as ppl r tossing around the idea of me proving my claim, and ff's role being linked to mine as in people thinking they both cant exist, so according to you guys - once my claim is proven, ff has to be scum right?

will follow other ppl by voting mk now (already am) if ppl want
willing to switch to omni (preferred) if more support for his lynch shows
also willing to no lynch to save mk if ppl want and give a night to prove myself, but i dont think its the best option.
 

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Hrm. Jailing Nich would do what exactly? Isn't he a Gravedigger which just means he's always seen at the ... ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Tracker status lyyyyyke.

I'm for that.

@Frozen: ok
 

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Frozen's @ L-1.

Marshy, before the hammer can you say something. It's pretty much blind faith that I have with you at the moment but I didn't forget that there may be a recruiter role. Tom was a Day cop and could have investigated you Day 1 and you could have been recruited Night 1.

So you're not off the hook even tho' you look like a cop clear. Speak up.

note to everyone: yea uh possible recruit role. proving that a claim is true doesnt guarantee them as town. at least that's probably the best way to think with our limited knowledge of the setup. but it does help
 

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also Zensei since everyone seems to have a vote on everyone else it's your responsibility to hammer so dont disappear tonight unless Chibo/Nich are content with lynching Frozen
 

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I'm more inclined to believe Omni is scum over Frozen and my vote isn't changing. Zensei how is It possible that you have no opinion of your own the entire game? ALL you do is disguise your actions with a little bit of nonsensical jibberjabber before copypasta'ing Omni's actions.

If it weren't for the distinct possibility of you being copped and almost cleared, I'd be more willing to lynch you.

Vanderzant and Nich, you two are nearly useless! Omni, Vand, and Nich scum team...? Its disgusting how you two are simply drifting through the game.

Chibo, there really is support for an Omni lynch. I'm coming home but we can ALL agree that an Omni lynch would give us SO much information to work with....so why is everyone here being so **** passive? Jeeez...
 

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lmfao @ Omni/vand/nich team

MK, the only support for my lynch are the top lynch candidates. that's not support. it's called desperation of survival.

also, i think this is the icing to the cake where i'm going to completely stop responding to your posts. you're sticking to my lynch even tho i refuted your entire bs case on me and u didnt even attempt to respond to it. you're pushing desperately hard and sadly i think it's just a really horrible dumb town push. either that or you're using the dumb town card to just further make you look... well, what you're looking like now

and you're trying to lynch a person @ mylo based on INFORMATION? i already pointed out how your points were just completely incorrect and you havent made a solid statement about what is scummy about me so...

whatev
 

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lmfao @ Omni/vand/nich team

MK, the only support for my lynch are the top lynch candidates. that's not support. it's called desperation of survival.

also, i think this is the icing to the cake where i'm going to completely stop responding to your posts. you're sticking to my lynch even tho i refuted your entire bs case on me and u didnt even attempt to respond to it. you're pushing desperately hard and sadly i think it's just a really horrible dumb town push. either that or you're using the dumb town card to just further make you look... well, what you're looking like now

and you're trying to lynch a person @ mylo based on INFORMATION? i already pointed out how your points were just completely incorrect and you havent made a solid statement about what is scummy about me so...

whatev
 

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If one more person outside of FF and MK vote for Omni I'll switch, but I'll stay as outlined in my last post.

How exactly does the gravedigger role work? I don't even know...
So Omni is suggesting I jail Nich?
 

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No look I'm done, you just simply refuse to believe that anything presented against you is a viable fact, using the fact that you've pretty much established that anyone opposing your opinion is simply too stupid to refute your points. You're an ***, really, and it's showing now. You've got

A) You
B) People wanting your lynch
C) People too afraid to support

I mean, holy freaking crap, the ONLY thing you keep doing is saying I'm stupid, over and over and over. Seems to me that you're the dense one, can't even take the time to post an actual argument without referencing the fact that the whole thing is moot because you're smarter than me.

Go ahead and stop responding to my posts, and I'll watch as ANOTHER townie is killed toDay because you ran this pack of cowards to doing so.
It's laughable.
 

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I mean, just look here, it explains why Omni's not dead yet:

4. Meta-Kirby
5. VanderZant
6. Nicholas1024 (replaces Xonar)
8. ZenSei
9. marshEE (Evil Eye/marshy hydra)
10. frozenflame751
11. Omni
12. Chibosempai

In LIME are the people I believe to be town, in DARK GREEN are the people who have expressed interest in lynching Omni but aren't on board, and in PINK is the culprit.

That leaves Vanderzant, Nicholas, and MarshEE. There are two scum in this group.


There are, presumably, 3 scum. If Omni is one of them, then it leaves 5 people. It takes 5 to lynch, and if town is ANYHOW divided, they won't be able to agree on one lynch, which allows people like Omni to barge through and run this ****.

-_-
 

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Frozenflame751 (3): Vanderzant, Omni, MarshEE
Meta-Kirby (2): Nicholas1024, ChiboSempai
Omni (2):
Meta-Kirby, frozenflame751
Not voting (1): Zensei

5/8 to lynch

Deadline is Friday August 20 at 11:59:59 pm est
 

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If one more person outside of FF and MK vote for Omni I'll switch, but I'll stay as outlined in my last post.

How exactly does the gravedigger role work? I don't even know...
So Omni is suggesting I jail Nich?
it was Zensei who suggested it but i like the suggestion.

gravedigger, if im not mistaken, means that you appear at the scene of a death when it occurs every night. that's why the role of a tracker is usually complimented with it since if a tracker well tracks the gravedigger he'll be led to the person who died earlier in the Night.

i think that's how it works.
 
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