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[m-1, 14, 28] avril lavigne mafia - over
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M.K
Level 55
I think he's okay, I think his claim is semi-believable in the context of being Mayling and how certain other players made the connection between Mayling and the Nurse role, and I feel like the content of his posts gives me a townie frozen vibe, from what I understand about his playstyle. Although his activity levels have fluctuated, and in some of the worst droughts of his absence I've doubted my own thinking, I think he's picked up his activity as of late and doesn't seem to be giving off any scummy vibes.
Xivii
caterpillar feet
Needs more Marshi.
M-K: uh how does being cello make you townie? I'm not seeing the point to the whole name incription thing. You can do that same exact thing with the last post you made btw. Not that it matters.
M-K: uh how does being cello make you townie? I'm not seeing the point to the whole name incription thing. You can do that same exact thing with the last post you made btw. Not that it matters.
Xivii
caterpillar feet
M-K what do you think about Chibo and Vanderzant?
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
I was asleep last night from ~6pm - ~1am where I woke up and did homework and stuff until I went to sleep again. I probably popped on the boards here and there in that time, I forget, however I didn't put thought into playing mafia or anything then.
Anyway, still kind of annoyed at Omni pushing claims like this when I really don't think everyone has chimed in on the issue yet, so I would prefer it if Omni claimed next. Seeing that MK did indeed claim, I'll follow suit as requested.
I'm Chibo, lol no I'm Marshy. My favorite song is Complicated. I am a Jailer. I was told that I (well, Macman) jailed Tom Night 1, though I don't know his motive behind it at all as I haven't talked to Macman about the game. Night 2 occurred shortly after I joined the game and Apex and such, and I hadn't had time to read into the game yet, certainly not enough to think of a target to jail so I chose to jail no target in fear of hitting a town role, and literally having no reads on anyone yet because well... I didn't read much at all yet.
Anyway, still kind of annoyed at Omni pushing claims like this when I really don't think everyone has chimed in on the issue yet, so I would prefer it if Omni claimed next. Seeing that MK did indeed claim, I'll follow suit as requested.
I'm Chibo, lol no I'm Marshy. My favorite song is Complicated. I am a Jailer. I was told that I (well, Macman) jailed Tom Night 1, though I don't know his motive behind it at all as I haven't talked to Macman about the game. Night 2 occurred shortly after I joined the game and Apex and such, and I hadn't had time to read into the game yet, certainly not enough to think of a target to jail so I chose to jail no target in fear of hitting a town role, and literally having no reads on anyone yet because well... I didn't read much at all yet.
vanderzant
Smash Journeyman
...Jailer?
I can't see a doc and a jailer and a nurse. That's preposterous.
I can't see a doc and a jailer and a nurse. That's preposterous.
Marshy is clearly a mafia role /endmeta.
Hm. Now I wonder if a Doc even exists. If it doesn't Frozen dies. If it does Chibo dies. I've wanted these two dead since Day 1 so I'm fine with whichever scenario plays out.
Hm. Now I wonder if a Doc even exists. If it doesn't Frozen dies. If it does Chibo dies. I've wanted these two dead since Day 1 so I'm fine with whichever scenario plays out.
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
I have full right to be annoyed when someone is pushing a claim out of 2 other players, but refuses to do so himself. You know you would obviously call me out if I refused to claim
This isn't a full claim Day. I don't want Vander, Zensei, or MarshEE to claim.
I explained why you needed to claim. You never responded to that question directed at you. And MK was a group agreement.
I explained why you needed to claim. You never responded to that question directed at you. And MK was a group agreement.
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
What question? The only one I remember is you asking about what games you aren't overly aggressive in and such where I asked for what games you were in so I could look them up, to which you half-***** an answer that was more or less LoD games and BIM2 where you were part of a hydra. And to further reply to it, there are a handful of games where you just mope around and complain about activity (that you are town in iirc), which is in stark contrast to this. Why aren't you drilling MarshEE for activity? Last time he posted was on the 15th and that's two people to blame there considering it's a hydra.
And now you're stating you specifically don't want other people to claim? Including the mysteriously absent MarshEE and Zensei who I have had a case on this day? Come on Omni...
And yes, you did more or less make it a full claim day. Judging by the numbers we have to be close to losing here. There are 8 players left. Figure 2 or 3 scum. If there are 3 scum and we mislynch today, as long as the night kill isn't blocked we lose. If there are 2 scum then there is likely a indy as 10 town v 2 scum doesn't seem right. Either way even in that situation, it's not good. Point I'm trying to make is, we might be in lylo.
All you are doing Omni is giving the scum better targets forcing these claims. Might as well finish it off so we can decide the town can decide the best course of action.
So Omni, why won't you claim?
And now you're stating you specifically don't want other people to claim? Including the mysteriously absent MarshEE and Zensei who I have had a case on this day? Come on Omni...
And yes, you did more or less make it a full claim day. Judging by the numbers we have to be close to losing here. There are 8 players left. Figure 2 or 3 scum. If there are 3 scum and we mislynch today, as long as the night kill isn't blocked we lose. If there are 2 scum then there is likely a indy as 10 town v 2 scum doesn't seem right. Either way even in that situation, it's not good. Point I'm trying to make is, we might be in lylo.
All you are doing Omni is giving the scum better targets forcing these claims. Might as well finish it off so we can decide the town can decide the best course of action.
So Omni, why won't you claim?
marshEE is busy. I already prodded him and said we need more marshEE.
read the last page. i asked if my reasoning for wanting you to claim was nonsensical.
zensei, the nearly cop cleared candidate? why should he claim? the goal was to attempt to narrow the lynch pool; not mass claim. you don't seem up to date and your sudden newfound suspicion of me late into the Day makes me feel better with you being a top pick.
I don't think today is lylo. Mylo maybe but I think a 3 man scum team would have pounced toDay with the way voted have been treading.
see how easily I'm dismissing your cases against me? It's because your case is weak. mk's case was weak. Frozen at least analyzed my play and achieved his interpretation. you and mk are kinda just latching onto nonexistent points.
we haven't lynched scum all game. I don't think it's best to reveal our entire hand beforehand either.
so no I'm not claiming when the the people who find me suspicious are at the top of today's play.
really want nick's opinion on everything.
read the last page. i asked if my reasoning for wanting you to claim was nonsensical.
zensei, the nearly cop cleared candidate? why should he claim? the goal was to attempt to narrow the lynch pool; not mass claim. you don't seem up to date and your sudden newfound suspicion of me late into the Day makes me feel better with you being a top pick.
I don't think today is lylo. Mylo maybe but I think a 3 man scum team would have pounced toDay with the way voted have been treading.
see how easily I'm dismissing your cases against me? It's because your case is weak. mk's case was weak. Frozen at least analyzed my play and achieved his interpretation. you and mk are kinda just latching onto nonexistent points.
we haven't lynched scum all game. I don't think it's best to reveal our entire hand beforehand either.
so no I'm not claiming when the the people who find me suspicious are at the top of today's play.
really want nick's opinion on everything.
Xivii
caterpillar feet
Omni why are you inclined to believe M-K's claim more than you do Chibo's claim?
Just cuz MK still gives me the townish vibe in the way he presents himself. Honestly, I could be totally off but my gut still tells me he's more dumb then scum. I really hope my read isn't wrong. My gut was right about kirbyoshi so I'm 1-0.
Chibo's a lot less. Jailer with Nurse/Doc combo? Maybe. Conveniently jailing someone who can't confirm the jailing cuz they're dead. Maybe. Conveniently not jailing anyone so no one can confirm this. Maybe.
Then my inner meta tells me that Marshy would be scum and that Macman hates being scum. These arent valid, but they linger in my mind.
What do you think?
Chibo's a lot less. Jailer with Nurse/Doc combo? Maybe. Conveniently jailing someone who can't confirm the jailing cuz they're dead. Maybe. Conveniently not jailing anyone so no one can confirm this. Maybe.
Then my inner meta tells me that Marshy would be scum and that Macman hates being scum. These arent valid, but they linger in my mind.
What do you think?
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
I agree that my targets look bad, however there are very good explanations for both of them as I said.
1. Jailing Tom Night 1 was not my decision. Would I have made the same decision? I don't know, I'm not in that situation now. I also do not know Macman's logic behind that choice.
2. I chose not to jail anyone night 2 because I had hardly read any of the game up to that point. Would you rather me did? It would be ridiculous to think other wise. Especially since we have knowledge of other town power roles out there, I'm not going to take a gamble hoping I hit scum why I could have hit one of them. Thinking back to it it might have been a decent choice to choose somebody considering they would also be protected from NKs, but I didn't want to take any chances considering I had read next to nothing of the game so far and I was being asked for my action.
1. Jailing Tom Night 1 was not my decision. Would I have made the same decision? I don't know, I'm not in that situation now. I also do not know Macman's logic behind that choice.
2. I chose not to jail anyone night 2 because I had hardly read any of the game up to that point. Would you rather me did? It would be ridiculous to think other wise. Especially since we have knowledge of other town power roles out there, I'm not going to take a gamble hoping I hit scum why I could have hit one of them. Thinking back to it it might have been a decent choice to choose somebody considering they would also be protected from NKs, but I didn't want to take any chances considering I had read next to nothing of the game so far and I was being asked for my action.
Gonna bite. we may be able to confirm Chibo's claim if we force him to target someone we think is town. I like the idea of keeping him alive, having him jail Zensei, and confir...
And.. Hm. That'd put Chibo at risk of a NK if he is the jailer. Unless we doc combo. Hm.
Maybe. But I think you see where I'm getting at. I've hinted about being a PR so I'm sure Chibo can successfuly jail Zensei w/o being NKed. This is just me speculating for the most cuz I want Frozen dead and a well probable confirmed Chibo if possible.
thoughts?
And.. Hm. That'd put Chibo at risk of a NK if he is the jailer. Unless we doc combo. Hm.
Maybe. But I think you see where I'm getting at. I've hinted about being a PR so I'm sure Chibo can successfuly jail Zensei w/o being NKed. This is just me speculating for the most cuz I want Frozen dead and a well probable confirmed Chibo if possible.
thoughts?
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
It's not a bad idea but before we go along finalizing any plans I want to hear from MarshEE
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
I'll go through FF's post history now and will post soon with a proper analysis of him - chibo style
@Omni: I would assume that I would not be protected since through NAR, considering the doc protects me, the question is asked if anything stops the doc from protecting, which would be my jailing, meaning my jail would go before his protect. However in turn the doc would be protected from my jailing.
@Omni: I would assume that I would not be protected since through NAR, considering the doc protects me, the question is asked if anything stops the doc from protecting, which would be my jailing, meaning my jail would go before his protect. However in turn the doc would be protected from my jailing.
M.K
Level 55
I think we should take a peek at Vanderzant...
Just sayin' he's kinda hit the sidelines as of late.
And what about Nich?
Srsly.
Just sayin' he's kinda hit the sidelines as of late.
And what about Nich?
Srsly.
Nicholas1024
Smash Lord
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Sorry for not being that active. Been a busy couple of days, and I've had trouble working up motivation. Any particular questions you guys wanna ask me?
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
Sorry got mega caught up in work, heres some FF analysis as requested
Post 207 - Example of a good post of his, good scumhunting, analysis, and questions
Post 234 - Another meaty post of his
Post 341 - :/
Post 364 - Another solid post, but I'm surprised that there's still a lot of talk on OS vs Omni, going for 160+ posts (over 50% of the game thus far) seems like a bit of overcentralization, and it would be better for the game to naturally shift away from that onto something else.
Post 446 - His defense from Kirbyo in here feels pretty legit
Post 448 - More hesitance from FF to claim, which is just something to note. I've been the same way today and am not for a bunch of people claiming at all, but it's still something to keep in the back of your mind.
Post 461 - I don't like when players get aggressive like this. It's a classic light scum tell imo
Post 448 - I feel like I keep seeing LoA a lot, which I've never seen before this game. It's just an odd thing to me to keep bringing up in that sense. Another big post from FF, which aren't bad but like, almost feeling a little forced :/
Post 519 - I like how he lays out his next days idea like this. I can't imagine scum promising certain activity like this, since it's more locking into a promise and not abiding by it would look scummy.
Post 655 - Annoying vla is annoying
Post 741 - It took a while, but at least he's finally delivering :/
Post 750 - Good exchange with OS ending with this. Knowing OS is town makes me feel a little better about this for some reason.
Post 758 - Most FF vs Omni
Post 761 - Some good points here. What there is to note is that he thinks OS vs MK is not SvS and from thinking Omni is scum, thus thinks MK is town.
Port 842 - Talking about validating a scum lynch. Not sure about that...
Post 1000 - While some points against Omni I tend to believe, overall it's getting a lil more aggressive again which I don't like to see from players.
Post 1032 - Noting that this is where he finally claims. Omni always gets what he wants eh?
Post 1162 - This is more or less what I was trying to get at when I joined the game and he puts it in better words.
The rest of the stuff is all recent stuff.
But yea, I don't feel that great about FF, mostly because of his activity above all else, but it hardly places him near the top of my scum list compared to others like Omni. The thing I learned throughout reading all of this is just how much Omni pushed for his claim just like he did to me and MK today. Doesn't anyone else find this not pro town at all? Trying to narrow lynch candidates.... pfft, today isn't the first day he did it. It eventually ended in FF claiming, which imo showed that Omni was able to get away with this which led to him pushing on MK and I. Nobody else seems to care that much - I don't know why... Because of such, both MK and I have been pressured to claiming.
The up side to FF is that when he does contribute, he seems to make good posts and really works on analyzing players, which could be a good asset for the end of the game if we make it past today.
Post 207 - Example of a good post of his, good scumhunting, analysis, and questions
Post 234 - Another meaty post of his
I don't particularly like buddying posts like this.
Post 341 - :/
Post 364 - Another solid post, but I'm surprised that there's still a lot of talk on OS vs Omni, going for 160+ posts (over 50% of the game thus far) seems like a bit of overcentralization, and it would be better for the game to naturally shift away from that onto something else.
Post 446 - His defense from Kirbyo in here feels pretty legit
Post 448 - More hesitance from FF to claim, which is just something to note. I've been the same way today and am not for a bunch of people claiming at all, but it's still something to keep in the back of your mind.
Post 461 - I don't like when players get aggressive like this. It's a classic light scum tell imo
Post 448 - I feel like I keep seeing LoA a lot, which I've never seen before this game. It's just an odd thing to me to keep bringing up in that sense. Another big post from FF, which aren't bad but like, almost feeling a little forced :/
Post 519 - I like how he lays out his next days idea like this. I can't imagine scum promising certain activity like this, since it's more locking into a promise and not abiding by it would look scummy.
Post 655 - Annoying vla is annoying
Post 741 - It took a while, but at least he's finally delivering :/
Post 750 - Good exchange with OS ending with this. Knowing OS is town makes me feel a little better about this for some reason.
Post 758 - Most FF vs Omni
Post 761 - Some good points here. What there is to note is that he thinks OS vs MK is not SvS and from thinking Omni is scum, thus thinks MK is town.
Port 842 - Talking about validating a scum lynch. Not sure about that...
Post 1000 - While some points against Omni I tend to believe, overall it's getting a lil more aggressive again which I don't like to see from players.
Post 1032 - Noting that this is where he finally claims. Omni always gets what he wants eh?
Post 1162 - This is more or less what I was trying to get at when I joined the game and he puts it in better words.
The rest of the stuff is all recent stuff.
But yea, I don't feel that great about FF, mostly because of his activity above all else, but it hardly places him near the top of my scum list compared to others like Omni. The thing I learned throughout reading all of this is just how much Omni pushed for his claim just like he did to me and MK today. Doesn't anyone else find this not pro town at all? Trying to narrow lynch candidates.... pfft, today isn't the first day he did it. It eventually ended in FF claiming, which imo showed that Omni was able to get away with this which led to him pushing on MK and I. Nobody else seems to care that much - I don't know why... Because of such, both MK and I have been pressured to claiming.
The up side to FF is that when he does contribute, he seems to make good posts and really works on analyzing players, which could be a good asset for the end of the game if we make it past today.
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
Oh yea, I forgot to bring this up in my last post, I came across it when reviewing FF. Care to elaborate on this MK? (sorry if you have already)
It's lame that this kind of info had to come out, and could be personal and have nothing to do with this game at all, but now that it's out in the open it's kind of hard not to pay attention to.
Nicholas1024
Smash Lord
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Hey Chibo, for the record, MK already did. I think he said it was pikimin mafia related.
vanderzant
Smash Journeyman
Chibo, iirc that was about Pikmafia which had just ended around that post.
Omni, I don't know how fool proof your plan is, and WIFOM aside I don't see why Scum would Night Kill someone like Mac/Chibo. Example: In Mayfia, Clownbot claimed Jailer on Day 1, but wasn't NK'd till Night 3 or something (which was the last phase) because a lot of people thought he was hella scummy.
But in saying that, there is a lot of stuff we don't know about night actions, so unless you're pretty sure on this plan, I can't really see how agreeing on a Jail target is going to work out for Town.
@Chibo: Assuming Frozen IS a nurse, it is a GOOD thing that he wasn't lynched after he claimed. It's about the only reason he's still alive. Why is lynching town power roles a good thing??
Omni, I don't know how fool proof your plan is, and WIFOM aside I don't see why Scum would Night Kill someone like Mac/Chibo. Example: In Mayfia, Clownbot claimed Jailer on Day 1, but wasn't NK'd till Night 3 or something (which was the last phase) because a lot of people thought he was hella scummy.
But in saying that, there is a lot of stuff we don't know about night actions, so unless you're pretty sure on this plan, I can't really see how agreeing on a Jail target is going to work out for Town.
@Chibo: Assuming Frozen IS a nurse, it is a GOOD thing that he wasn't lynched after he claimed. It's about the only reason he's still alive. Why is lynching town power roles a good thing??
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
lynching town power roles is certainly not a good thing at all
the only difference about frozen is that finding out if he is indeed a nurse confirms the existance of a doctor, which does 2 things
1) can help town plan around knowing there is someone who can protect at night
2) lets scum know there is a doctor and has them start to look out for him
1 is good, 2 is bad, but 1 outweighs 2 imo
but thats besides the point because lynching who we suspect to be a town pr isnt a good idea imo, especially in the situation we are in
the only difference about frozen is that finding out if he is indeed a nurse confirms the existance of a doctor, which does 2 things
1) can help town plan around knowing there is someone who can protect at night
2) lets scum know there is a doctor and has them start to look out for him
1 is good, 2 is bad, but 1 outweighs 2 imo
but thats besides the point because lynching who we suspect to be a town pr isnt a good idea imo, especially in the situation we are in
Xivii
caterpillar feet
If there is a doc that's bad for you. And yeah M-K was answering a question I asked about the pikmafia quicktopic.
Chibo, did you not find it suspicious that Frozen claimed nurse, knowing that you are a jailure. It's very suspicious to me that you haven't expressed suspicion towards him with the knowledge that you've had.
@Omni: I agree. M-K's claim post did seem like it was coming from townie PoV. But his reliance on AtE bugs me as I feel that is the only reason keeping me from voting him.
Can someone tell me what's up with Marshi?
Chibo, did you not find it suspicious that Frozen claimed nurse, knowing that you are a jailure. It's very suspicious to me that you haven't expressed suspicion towards him with the knowledge that you've had.
@Omni: I agree. M-K's claim post did seem like it was coming from townie PoV. But his reliance on AtE bugs me as I feel that is the only reason keeping me from voting him.
Can someone tell me what's up with Marshi?
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
whats suspicious about that, i dont get it?
Xivii
caterpillar feet
You don't think it off for there to be a jailkeeper, doc, and a nurse?
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
Not really, especially with the downside of being jailed can prevent town from carrying out crucial actions if not used properly.
im at a smashfest.
super huge dislike for nich riding his gravedigger claim and not doing diddly squat this entire Day. "u guys got any questions?" wtf, do you have anything to contribute? i dont think you've done anything for a really long time and its really urking me. i think it was just this last post that really really made me mad
my plan may or may not be fool proof. i cant guarantee anything cuz i dont know what scum has up there hand. but its something so i threw it out because it doesn't seem entirely nonviable
guys. marshEE is like busy or something. i prodded him a long time ago. idk why Xiivi and Steel havent done anything about it
Mod: do something like a votecount or an update on marshee's status
super huge dislike for nich riding his gravedigger claim and not doing diddly squat this entire Day. "u guys got any questions?" wtf, do you have anything to contribute? i dont think you've done anything for a really long time and its really urking me. i think it was just this last post that really really made me mad
my plan may or may not be fool proof. i cant guarantee anything cuz i dont know what scum has up there hand. but its something so i threw it out because it doesn't seem entirely nonviable
guys. marshEE is like busy or something. i prodded him a long time ago. idk why Xiivi and Steel havent done anything about it
Mod: do something like a votecount or an update on marshee's status
Nicholas1024
Smash Lord
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Omni, please explain how you ride a gravedigger claim. It's not a PR. Anyway, the reason I asked if anyone had any questions was because I was catching up on what had happened in the last few pages and wanted to know if there was something urgent I needed to answer right away.
Anyways... request deadline extension (no idea if this will be granted, but I suppose we can try...)
Something substantial coming tomorrow.
Anyways... request deadline extension (no idea if this will be granted, but I suppose we can try...)
Something substantial coming tomorrow.
wtf do not request a deadline extension. everyone's just been lazy even when we had time. extending the time just means more days of people not posting
and forget it nich. if you're town im pretty disgusted at your play. u havent really tried to do... anything toDay. wouldnt be surprised if u were scum at this point
and forget it nich. if you're town im pretty disgusted at your play. u havent really tried to do... anything toDay. wouldnt be surprised if u were scum at this point
M.K
Level 55
So would you consider him a lynch candidate for the day?
I very much agree that Jailor, Doc, & Nurse is VERY unlikely, but it is certainly not impossible or broken.
So make up your mind Omni, are we gonna call for tracker claim only, or a Doc claim to see exactly what our protective role situation is? Depending on who claims what we may end up with pretty much everyone claiming anyway. =/
So make up your mind Omni, are we gonna call for tracker claim only, or a Doc claim to see exactly what our protective role situation is? Depending on who claims what we may end up with pretty much everyone claiming anyway. =/