[m-1, 14, 28] avril lavigne mafia - over

[M.K]

I mentioned it when I replaced into this game (or the start of the day idk whenever I started posting) and I didn't recall anyone mentioning MK talking about it. I couldn't go into full detail though until Taco Maf ended so I didn't reveal anything about the game. However it doesn't matter who brought it up, I'm just interested in Zensei's response because something obviously doesn't add up.

We were talking about PikMafia and what I believe to be Zensei's similar playstyle between that game and this game.

 

[Omni]

so who's your scum buddy and who's a dispensable townie is what he's asking

he forgot to ask if you'd bus your partner

 

[M.K]

so who's your scum buddy and who's a dispensable townie is what he's asking

he forgot to ask if you'd bus your partner

That's not the purpose of my question.

 

[M.K]

both me and marshy are huge doc targets. that's why im alive and tom is dead.

You misunderstand me. :]
Listen here:
Nearly everyone that considered you to be inherently/completely pro-town has now died. We have yet to see a Doctor flip, and we know there IS one because of Frozen's role claim. However, this is where I've begun to see you're downfall.
It's not the fact that you have the slight possibility of being "protected", but more the fact of...who would put enough trust in you to be protected? And, of those people, how many of them are still alive? Your butt buddies are now eliminated, the people you seemingly "held hands" with.
Now look here also:
You are clearly the most vocal of the townies, whether that's a pro or a con. You seem to think it's a pro, maybe others disagree with the tone of the posts. REGARDLESS, you seem to lead or push in certain directions that guide us to (until now) town lynches. I'm not saying that all of the lynches have been your doing, but you've had a large part in casting doubt on certain people and praising others.
Okay, so we've got that out of the way. Now listen here: If you were actually on the correct track, would scum keep you alive? You say "i'm a doctor target". Well, obviously you are, but of the people still alive, the people who are still talking and obviously had some sort of night action, who could adequately express enough trust in you to actually protect you? I feel like you're just hiding in this veil of "doctors protect me, mafia doesn't kill me" because you FEEL like you're doing too well, or something like that. But I feel like either you ARE Mafia, or Mafia is simply keeping you alive because you're on the completely wrong track.

My responses are also lengthy and detailed. my responses to you have been the only exception. that's a bad point to make.

Nah, while they may be long and detailed, you have very little to say besides going on and on about certain flaws, how nobody but you can see them, and how terrible people are at this game. You seem to masquerade your frustration by seemingly scumhunting when ALL you are doing is simply trying to kill anyone that doesn't agree with you. Face it, I don't think I've seen a single post where you go back and try to reconnect ties, or for that matter, attempt to view the game from a "fresh" standpoint. You seem locked in your ways.

And also, I'd like to bring up the fact that you're likely to dismiss my argument on account of dumb or scum. Rather, you can't use this as your defense anymore, because all of your friends are now gone, and now you're completely alone without anyone to hold your hand through the day. You claim stupidity as your defense, but that's pretty much it. Your arguments thus far have been "I don't interpret (argument) as me being scummy", when that's a matter of personal correlation and personal experience. Obviously scum has SOME idea of what to do to blend into a town crowd, and I just feel like you tried so hard to associate with those now dead, trying not to form connections with people like Zensei. Now, I've talked to some people and it's a common scum tactic to COMPLETELY block out your partner, as not to form connections. There is a huge disconnection between you and Zen that I don't feel comfortable with. Also, I'm not claiming on a whim because you ask me to, I feel no need to do so at this point. When the time comes and it's imperative, I shall.

Why do I have this horrible feeling that Zensei and Omni are both scum? I just feel incredibly bad about both of their demeanors at this point. On one hand, Omni's tried to parade town around, to no avail, and on the other, Zensei pokes his head in, asks a few questions, plants a vote, and waits. Zensei, I don't care that you feel like I'm wrong about your playstyle, I clearly notice a correlation, and whether you agree or not, it's my opinion that you are playing a similar game, and that it's not a dismissive point, because PikMafia ended very soon before or during the beginning of this game...almost as if you just shifted your entire character over here.
And to answer your question, Rockin is very good at playing dumb and blending in to a crowd, playing sheepishly, and to me, did not do enough to dismiss his case from proceeding to the lynch. It's unfortunate that he flipped town, but IMO, you need to be adamant about dismissing your case as a townie, not just "wow really seriously u gonna be 404 mad".

So Omni, am I still scum? Or would you like to lead the way to yet another town death? Face it, you're alive because you're either scum or completely wrong.

 

[M.K]

vocal of the players*

 

[M.K]

Sorry for the quadruple post but:

Emphasizing on the "completely wrong track" part of the argument, I think Mafia has pretty much accepted that town would lose a BUNCH of momentum with your death. Simply because, YES, you are vocal, and yes, that keeps the game going. However, I'm not going to sit here and listen to you say that the doctors have continued to protect you all these nights, and how that must be the circumstance. I reiterate, you're either scum or completely wrong, and Mafia has no problem sitting back and allowing you to lead town awry.

Okay done now >_>

 

[Omni]

mind completely blown

 

[Xivii]

Man my CPU just blew out completely so I'm stuck with wii/psp net.

@Vander- There are a couple of people that have kept distant from MK which is Frozen & Mac/Chibo. I could see one of them being his scum buddy. Then there is MarshEE who has defended MK and responded earlier to MK's vote as if MK were town. MarshEE - MK relation is weird. I'm not really on the idea of both of them scum buddies though. I think MK-Frozen is a plausible scenario.

@MK- Why didn't you just say who I am most confident in being scum? I answered that in my last post: you.

@Chibo- I still haven't seen the kind of mafia recruiter that you suggested. As for me not bringing up mentor, that strictly has to do with the other game. I didn't want to give clue to Frozen of my alignment (and then you after you joined this). Now that it is over I don't have to worry about it.

 

[vanderzant]

1. ChacoTaco- no posts here in a while, no posts elsewhere
4. Meta-Kirby - want to hear more from, has been active today
5. VanderZant- want to hear more from period

6. Xonar- needs to be updated in the main list
7. OverSwarm - incredibly amazing
8. ZenSei - fine
9. marshEE (Evil Eye/marshy hydra) - meanie

10. frozenflame751- want to hear more from. Post more. My lynch target for the day if he doesn't start posting.

11. Omni- green

12. Macman- post more

Zensei is not the play for today.... but Zensei, you need to contribute. What do you think of Flame?

Vig should shoot... not Zensei. Shoot someone we won't get information out of anyway, like Macman

It's the mother ****ing weekend, I was spending it with my lady.

I like MarshEE, Tom, Omni, and Zensei.

I don't like Vand or Frozen.

I REALLY don't like Nich.

I am uncomfortable with Macman and Chaco.

I keep forgetting Meta-Kirby is in this game and don't like that either.




I voted for him to claim his song. You followed me, Omni, possibly for different reasons.

Vanderzant then followed your vote on him, quoting a separate post.

As for KYoshi being a "for sure lynch" on D1:



(this is after the aforementioned votes on Flame)

Not quite. It could have easily been Flame's lynch that day. I don't like Vanderzant's vote there though... Everything vand does sets off alarms. It's too middle of the road.

Vanderzant, play more and stop being reactionary.

van yes, zensei no.

We're not moving to Zensei.

Nicholas, you want frozenflame to claim?

Not Zensei.

unvote vote Macman

or


someone else.... who has been quiet....

^^^ Why I don't agree with the Zensei wagon.

aaaand Zensei ninja'd me.

 

[Xivii]

@MK's last two posts- Omni has been content with lynching me throughout most of this game and has stated so multiple times. He was the main person attempting to pressure me earlier this game. ToDay he has clearly shown buddying with me. Where are you getting this idea that we have been distant?

In fact there is much more distance between you and Frozen. And I don't recall a single interaction between you and Mac.

 

[vanderzant]

Ok so my lynch candidates are MK/Frozen/Chibo. I'm not switching to anyone else unless something crazy happens like there is no tracker and Nich is scum.

@MarshEE you keep voting me and suggesting that I'm scum but I barely notice your presence and don't have much to say to you.

 

[M.K]

@MK's last two posts- Omni has been content with lynching me throughout most of this game and has stated so multiple times. He was the main person attempting to pressure me earlier this game. ToDay he has clearly shown buddying with me. Where are you getting this idea that we have been distant?

You've been distant in the past. "wanting to lynch" is not the same thing as actually doing something.
He was pressuring you out of inactivity, not scumminess.

Vand, that's interesting. i'm glad you compiled that.
I'm still not giving up my position on Omni, though.

 

[vanderzant]

Someone smart clarify this for me, so we're not tripping over our own feet.

* Day Cop:

Investigates one player each day instead of each night

So Tom/OS likely got two results. I believe Zensei was most likely investigated Day 1, and most likely MarshEE day 2. I'm slightly confused as to what Frozen was talking about w.r.t the investigations, so I'd like him to clear that up.

Would anyone else care to refute this? Because from my P.O.V Zensei/MarshEE shouldn't be plays toDay based on this assumption. Obviously there could be Godfathers and stuff, but I'm not understanding why (and if) people are considering Zen as a play.

 

[Omni]

You've been distant in the past. "wanting to lynch" is not the same thing as actually doing something.
He was pressuring you out of inactivity, not scumminess.

Vand, that's interesting. i'm glad you compiled that.
I'm still not giving up my position on Omni, though.

dont worry. no one's taking your views seriously anyway.

@Vander: i like that list. like a lot. the only person im scared of it marshEE cuz i trust him the most. i actually wish he would be more helpful considering its near the end of the game.

so should we have doc/tracker/watcher claim to confirm nich/frozen? or should we just have chibo/mk claim?

 

[Omni]

oh and @ the above. i mean i wanted zensei alive after something really nice that he said earlier toDay.

forgot to mention that a doc claiming doesn't confirm Frozen. nurse is a really good safeclaim for scum but what erks me is that his name claim is so niiiice

 

[CT Chia]

I don't really like how keen you are on us claiming, we arent even close to being lynched are we?

vote count plz

 

[Omni]

ok if you're town and this is a possible mylo scenario do you want us to put votes on you until you claim?

if people agree that u should claim without voting but its the general consensus of the town it's the same thing. tho right now i dont think we have a majority conesus which is why i want to see what the others think

 

[Omni]

Vote: Frozen

i dont think this vote is moving

 

[Xiivi]

Vanderzant (1) - MarshEE
Zensei (2) : Chibosempai, Nicholas1024
Frozenflame751 (2): Vanderzant, Omni
Not voting (3): Meta-Kirby, Zensei, frozenflame751

5/8 to lynch

Deadline is Friday August 20 at 11:59:59 pm est

 

[Omni]

Deadline is THIS Friday? Did not realize.

Let's get on the ball people. Make some decisions. Answer questions. Agree on lynch/claims. That kinda thing.

 

[Omni]

prod: marshy

 

[Xivii]

I think a Chibo/MK claim would be more beneficial. A tracker/watcher claim would be more speculation of set up and flavor. Like what if there was a mafia tracker who doesn't claim, just to have Nich lynched. Or would if one of Nich's scum buddies simply claimed one of those roles. It could throw us off big time. A doc claim could be beneficial simply for semi-clearing, but as you said, there being a doc doesn't really clear Frozen. His claim is too safe for comfort. I'm not opposed to a doc claim though. In order of claiming, I think it should go Chibo > MK > Doc. Or simply Chibo > MK.

MarshEE what do you think of all this?

Really need to hear more from marshi.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Ouch, didn't realize that the deadline was so soon. Anyways, as beforehand, Meta-kirby/zensei lynch is fine with me for reasons previously stated. (If anyone wants said reasons restated, I'll go ahead and dig up the old post.)

Since nobody's doing anything about my zensei vote...

Unvote, Vote: MK

 

[Omni]

Nich, did you read and consider Zensei being a pretty good target as a cop clear?

Marshy not having a sense of urgency at this point in the game scares me. I do not like it.

 

[M.K]

Ouch, didn't realize that the deadline was so soon. Anyways, as beforehand, Meta-kirby/zensei lynch is fine with me for reasons previously stated. (If anyone wants said reasons restated, I'll go ahead and dig up the old post.)

Since nobody's doing anything about my zensei vote...

Unvote, Vote: MK

Your case is vote analysis, and what exactly do you mean about "nobody's doing anything about my vote"?

I'll only claim at L-1 with threat of lynch.

So is NOBODY willing to switch to Omni? So, you're going to lynch another townie, under his "watchful eye". Mmkay, just keep believing him, it's just gonna be town's doom, which is...sad. :[

 

[M.K]

Vote: Omni

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

MK 1244 & 1246 are nice. Do like. Finally someone else who understands where I'm coming from on Omni.

As much as I'd still love to see Omni go, which us being in a likely MYLO situation with a deadline in 2 days I don't have the luxury of continuing to push for him when maybe one other player will bite.

Zensei WOULD be my next target if it weren't for basically everything Vand cited here: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10988614&postcount=1249

Noticed a bunch of that during a re-read and yeah, it's hard not to believe Zensei wasn't cop'd with OS acting like that.

@ Vand, why do you think it was Zensei D1 and Marshy D2 as you say in this post?

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10990672&postcount=1253

When I re-read I figured it was the other way around.

Anyway, since we are likely in mylo I'm not opposed to the rest of the cast claiming. MK as much as I sympathize with you on Omni, stubborness like this has no place in a situation like the one we're in: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10995380&postcount=1265

So yeah, if we're gonna claim we need to get the ball rolling because time is running out fast.

 

[M.K]

Wait, my stubborness with which part of that post, the "me not claiming" or the Omni thing?

I have literally 1 vote, I don't see why I should need to claim unless Vand, Chibo, and Zensei claim too, since they're all at 1-2 votes as well.
Plus I'm telling you that I'll do it, just not looking at the circumstances now.

 

[Omni]

okay good. well if people are fine with claiming then lets hurry up and agree on the top picks:

i think the majority of players want Chibo/Mac and MK to claim. is this correct?
i know that doc/tracker/watcher claiming is also another possibility.

in this scenario, i think the best bet is to simply go with Chibo then MK. starting off with doc doesn't necessarily make Frozen's claim less safe then it already is for scum. nich, however, claiming gravedigger off the bat means if the tracker/watcher doesnt exist he's auto lynch (unless u guys can tell me why not)

@frozen: i think u only like mk's points against me because they're against me. just cuz i have a little bit of time ill go back and refute it tho

 

[CT Chia]

i mean like, if the majority of everyone wants me to then fine but I really dont get the point of pressuring not just one, but two people to claim when they arent even close to lynch when omni chills here runnin' this ****
and the only other person iv seen suggest me claiming is zensei... surprise surprise

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Wait, my stubborness with which part of that post, the "me not claiming" or the Omni thing?

I have literally 1 vote, I don't see why I should need to claim unless Vand, Chibo, and Zensei claim too, since they're all at 1-2 votes as well.
Plus I'm telling you that I'll do it, just not looking at the circumstances now.

This is what I was referring to:

I'll only claim at L-1 with threat of lynch.

While generally I don't think that's a bad stance on claiming, in this scenario it isn't appropriate.

@ Omni obviously part of the reason why I like MK's posts is because they attack you but that's not JUST because of that. He explains a lot of what I've been saying from a different perspective and touches on important analysis concerning the other side of the coin that is your extreme loudness and directing this game.

As for claiming at this point IMO it's all or nothing, unless we just do "doctor and tracker claim" to confirm their existence. If we're just going to be singling out players though at this point, it should just be a mass claim, in which case my top 3 picks for first claims are Omni, Chibo, Zensei.

Since we're in mylo I have a hard time seeing why people would be opposed to claims (especially just asking for Doc and tracker confirms at the least) so if you have major objections people need to get to work and make some solid arguments against it.

 

[Omni]

i want u to claim chibo because we had no read on Mac for two days and u havent brought too much to the table

is this nonsensical to you

 

[Omni]

You misunderstand me. :]
Listen here:
Nearly everyone that considered you to be inherently/completely pro-town has now died. We have yet to see a Doctor flip, and we know there IS one because of Frozen's role claim.

stop. the only people who felt i was strongly town was Tom because i attempted to give him a really good meta clear. basically, the only person's "can die toDay" list im on is Frozen's. uh, thats it.

also, if a doc does flip that does NOT clear Frozen. a nurse flip solidifes a doc existing, but a doc existing does not solidify a nurse existing.

However, this is where I've begun to see you're downfall.
It's not the fact that you have the slight possibility of being "protected", but more the fact of...who would put enough trust in you to be protected? And, of those people, how many of them are still alive? Your butt buddies are now eliminated, the people you seemingly "held hands" with.

uh, are you suggesting that a large majority people in this game distrust me? do you even know how Vander, Zensei, Marshy, Chibo, and Nick think about me at this point in the game? you dont so dont make assumptions.

my "butt budies" who i planned on holding hands with the majority of the game are flipped town. me and OS were at neck and throat before i started holding his hand. i never held hands with kirbyoshi. the only true person i felt had a great amount of trust in me was Tom.

Now look here also:
You are clearly the most vocal of the townies, whether that's a pro or a con.

scumslip, MK? you seem to be talking from the viewpoint of a non-townie here.

huge fos: MK

You seem to think it's a pro, maybe others disagree with the tone of the posts. REGARDLESS, you seem to lead or push in certain directions that guide us to (until now) town lynches. I'm not saying that all of the lynches have been your doing, but you've had a large part in casting doubt on certain people and praising others.

being vocal is pro-town because being silent is anti-town. being vocal allows players to create more connections with the player and it leaves a trail. it doesnt clear me in the least bit but being vocal is a pro-town attribute. scum would rather not be vocal if they could choose to do so and get away with it so that they have less of a trail to leave more times than none.

and wtf @ your second statement? Day 1 was a Kirbyoshi lynch when i really wanted Frozen dead and believed kirbyoshi was alive. this was not lead by me. Day 2 was a Rockin lynch started by Tom. i clearly said i wasnt even looking at Rockin so i had influence on him dying except for the wagon i joined by my holding hands buddy, Tom. so your statement doesnt even make sense.

Okay, so we've got that out of the way. Now listen here: If you were actually on the correct track, would scum keep you alive? You say "i'm a doctor target". Well, obviously you are, but of the people still alive, the people who are still talking and obviously had some sort of night action, who could adequately express enough trust in you to actually protect you? I feel like you're just hiding in this veil of "doctors protect me, mafia doesn't kill me" because you FEEL like you're doing too well, or something like that. But I feel like either you ARE Mafia, or Mafia is simply keeping you alive because you're on the completely wrong track.

if i were on the correct track but i had the possibility of having a doc target over my head scum will be scared to touch me. so its not that they'd keep me alive but they want me dead but they're afraid of being blocked or followed.

you also repeated yourself here asking the same question you don't know the answer to.

you're also "feeling" a lot of things. regardless, what makes you think i'm on the wrong track? you're under the impression that i've been wrong but wtf am i wrong about?

Nah, while they may be long and detailed, you have very little to say besides going on and on about certain flaws, how nobody but you can see them, and how terrible people are at this game. You seem to masquerade your frustration by seemingly scumhunting when ALL you are doing is simply trying to kill anyone that doesn't agree with you. Face it, I don't think I've seen a single post where you go back and try to reconnect ties, or for that matter, attempt to view the game from a "fresh" standpoint. You seem locked in your ways.

no, i just talk about how terrible you are and how Frozen's inactivity is bad play and Overswarm's tunneling is poor.

also, people who disagreed with me:
nich (in regards to Frozen)
OS (in regards to myself, lol)
marshy (in regards to Vander)

yet i am not trying to kill any of them. so... another wrong statement to tack on.

and for your point about me not reconnecting ties, lol

welp, going to do a good reread of toDay and solidify my top 3. but i dont think frozen is leaving my #1 spot.

i'll also say why i like certain people that u guys wanna lynch. and by like i mean shouldnt be the play toDay

weird cuz everyone has like a single person they wanna lynch with one or two possible wagoners. i agree with zensei that lots of people need to die.

lol @ nich with the meta chime.

dont feel like finding it but i quoted many posts of the kirbyo lynch pointing out the ones i didnt like

and hell even when im drunk i can step back and reapproach the game

O_O

these are close so the same kinda readsz tat havim aving now
impsossibel
ogmgm this is not good

its kinda neutral on ltos of peolpes but thats kinda how if eel on most peoples iim not goetting too amny dnDEFINITE reads on people

jesus f'in yikesgonna have to rearda dn pretend your not scum mabe ust mAYBE

stop

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[Omni]

And also, I'd like to bring up the fact that you're likely to dismiss my argument on account of dumb or scum. Rather, you can't use this as your defense anymore, because all of your friends are now gone, and now you're completely alone without anyone to hold your hand through the day.

are you still forgetting that my friends were a town mason? lol. and im not the only person who thinks you've been playing a "dumb or scum" game. and yes, im all alone without anyone to hold my hand. whats your point?

You claim stupidity as your defense, but that's pretty much it. Your arguments thus far have been "I don't interpret (argument) as me being scummy", when that's a matter of personal correlation and personal experience. Obviously scum has SOME idea of what to do to blend into a town crowd, and I just feel like you tried so hard to associate with those now dead, trying not to form connections with people like Zensei. Now, I've talked to some people and it's a common scum tactic to COMPLETELY block out your partner, as not to form connections. There is a huge disconnection between you and Zen that I don't feel comfortable with.

stupidity is YOUR defense, lol. its the only reason why i havent been wanting to lynch you. and what do you mean not trying to form connections with Zensei? you're just BLABBERING. you wanna know why?

no no by saying im comfy with vander im saying im comfy with vander living. like im not uncomfortable with him.

zensei can die over van. van dislikes frozen with me + zensei seems like more of the lurker to me.

but yea that's the general concept of my view @ marshEE.

uhm, i guess i understand where you're coming with from Frozen but look at him. hes going to do this all game. it's so easy to play catch up all day and waste day after day. i find him scummy and i dont want to give him an opportunity to coast through the game by disappearing for good amounts of time, coming back to be all "omni is scum rabble rabble rabble" and then disappearing again.

with a vander lynch.... i see... not too much info being garnered directly with his death other then indirect effects of a player dying toNight. most people dislike him: tom, marshy, zensei, mac, metakirby while he dislikes frozen and preferred him over kyoshi in a lynch. idk the connection between him and nick. i just like vander and dont think he should be the play for toDay. in a 3 man scum team i cant decipher any of his partners. he's got way too many disconnections unless he's a solo indy.

zensei i have less positive things to say. more like nothing to say except awkward.

os' game play has SEVERELY changed since yesterDay. he gets the most likely to be recruited award right next to mac and tom.

tom, dont lynch for the sake of lynching. your all over the place right now. i wish u would've applied more pressure on Frozen like you've been doing on MK. feel like you haven't really talked to him directly all game

so yarp, i cant dig this vander wagon

Omni would you wagon OS at this point?

of course not. OS aint anywhere near being the play toDay. i couldnt wagon a guy solely based off my a hunch that a change in game play was due to a recruitment. well i could but that wouldnt be a good wagon imo. do you find him scummy, zensei?

he can be looked at more thoroughly toMorrow imo.

i dont think u and i have talked lately. are u cool with frozen dying? why have you been playing so weird this game? not to say that i can compare you with other games but im sure you're aware that you're playing in a manner that's very odd, right? and uh were you one of the people that parked their votes on kyoshi or did u move over to frozen later?

OS has been in the back of my mind as suspicious since Frozen & OS Vs You. I agree that he shouldn't be lynched today however.

I am fine with Frozen dying. I still would prefer Vanderzant or Mac though. As for my weirdness, I was inactive a lot of Day 1 mostly because I was busy. When I wasn't busy, there just wasn't much for me to say. Other than that I'm not attempting to play in any weird way :o...

I don't think I had my vote on KY in the end. Nor Frozen. I might have, but I don't think so.

good answer as usual.

so how should we move forward from here zensei

basically me prying into Zensei's brain since he was never really active at one period. i've also wanted him dead over Vander for a long period of time until he just now recently started to say things that i like. im pretty sure the connection between Zensei is clear; i want him to live

Also, I'm not claiming on a whim because you ask me to, I feel no need to do so at this point. When the time comes and it's imperative, I shall.

this is fine.

Why do I have this horrible feeling that Zensei and Omni are both scum? I just feel incredibly bad about both of their demeanors at this point. On one hand, Omni's tried to parade town around, to no avail, and on the other, Zensei pokes his head in, asks a few questions, plants a vote, and waits. Zensei, I don't care that you feel like I'm wrong about your playstyle, I clearly notice a correlation, and whether you agree or not, it's my opinion that you are playing a similar game, and that it's not a dismissive point, because PikMafia ended very soon before or during the beginning of this game...almost as if you just shifted your entire character over here.

yes, i paraded town into lynching Kirbyoshi and Rockin.

So Omni, am I still scum? Or would you like to lead the way to yet another town death? Face it, you're alive because you're either scum or completely wrong.

so at this point everyone can see how just plain wrong you have been with the facts. hell, this entire game i've been saying you're town under the impression that you're just playing a huge ATE frustrated townie. so again, wtf @ the incorrect statements? i've only recently wanted to have you lynched because you're not safe to have around in lylo

 

[Omni]

@ Omni obviously part of the reason why I like MK's posts is because they attack you but that's not JUST because of that. He explains a lot of what I've been saying from a different perspective and touches on important analysis concerning the other side of the coin that is your extreme loudness and directing this game.

i wasnt trying to imply it was the only reason. just the main reason.

my extreme loudness is not scummy. my "directing this game" is partially due to most people sitting on their thumbs and not doing squat. that, also, isn't a scumtell.

As for claiming at this point IMO it's all or nothing, unless we just do "doctor and tracker claim" to confirm their existence. If we're just going to be singling out players though at this point, it should just be a mass claim, in which case my top 3 picks for first claims are Omni, Chibo, Zensei.

hm. nah i dont think we need to do all or nothing today. i think getting 2 claims in will help narrow the lynch pool enough to make a really good vote. spilling all the beans for scum isnt the wisest choice in this situation imo.

Since we're in mylo I have a hard time seeing why people would be opposed to claims (especially just asking for Doc and tracker confirms at the least) so if you have major objections people need to get to work and make some solid arguments against it.

ive thought about it and im slightly more against the doc claiming since it doesnt clear you as a Nurse. tracker fa sure.

 

[vanderzant]

My internet quota has overflowed (I blame Apex stream...) so bear with me because I'm posting at about 60 kbps

Ok boys and girls, I want MK and Chibo to claim. It's potentially MYLO, so let's do it. I don't think order really matters at this stage? But you two should go ahead and claim. I'm not voting either of you, but I will if you don't claim.

I like the idea of these two claiming, because I don't really want to lynch anyone else apart from Frozen (who's already claimed) so if doc and tracker aren't in those 2 player slots, they may not be totally outed and useless if we make it to tomorrow.

@Frozen: If you look at Tom/OS's posts it makes sense in the order I suggested.

Earlier on, you quoted 3 posts of Tom's where he said he's fine with voting who MarshEE is voting. The posts you quoted were from Day 2, and to me read as a breadcrumb.

And if you look at my #1249 you'll see that OS started blatantly defending Zensei for no apparent reason since Day 1, which to me makes it look like they knew Zensei was Town on Day 1.

Also Frozen who do you want to lynch other than Omni?

 

[vanderzant]

Also as another side thought, most people were very comfortable with MarshEE on Day 1, which makes him an ideal NK target for scum. So if I was a cop, I wouldn't risk investigating the players everyone thinks are town on Day 1, because chances are they might flip town AND get night killed.

 

[Xivii]

No on the mass claim. Chibo and M-K not claiming and forcing L-1 is just a waste of time. Not to mention risky. Can you just get on with it.

 

[M.K]

*Sigh*

Okay, though it's my policy to wait for certain pressure, I know that the deadline is (fast) approaching and the game needs to seriously turn NOW in order for the correct lynch (read: not me) to occur.

So, I'm Cello_Marl, a Brownie Townie, my song is "I'm With You".
Since claiming VT in Miller's Hollow Mafia was inherently useless, I planted a clue in one of my D1 posts. If you look, the capital letters that start each sentence in this post spell out the word "Cello":

Unvote

Its also missing the number of people needed to lynch and/or a potential deadline. Not that this isn't obvious, but meh, it's better for reference. Can't always get what we want, huh? Even though we're only in Day 1, I think questions are a nice way to transition from RVS-->potential anything. Looks like Omni only decided to question certain people though =/. Lameeee. Oh well, Omni, why only certain people.

Marshy, why OS for your second pick?

I dunno, besides claiming VT (which, I was scared would be useless AGAIN seeing as how my VT claim in Millers hollow [where I actually was VT] did not dissuade my lynch) I just dropped my name in case i needed a reference or saw some type of "trend" with the townie flavor.

But yeah, that's my claim, can we seriously move on now? I'm tired of this misguided pressure, and it's the whole reason why I'm so frustrated at certain individuals. >_<

 

[Omni]

fine by me

chiboscumfrozenpieflamescum dead yet?