Luigi's Mansion Mafia - Game Over!

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

*the assumed kill

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Sokr was mostly a vig, not really a jailer.

Rake, I want to lynch you. Everyone wants to lynch you. You'll probably get lynched. Give me your solid stances and where your head is right now. Just lay down who you think could be scum.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

i mean, thinking logically , there are a couple explanations here:

a) joey's bsing, but after nabe's flip this is mega unlikely
b) kary moves NA's directed at him away (passively or activel or w/e)
c) someone moved it away from kary
d) gorf / thuggin we're town and drew the nk away somehow

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I'm sir Weston, town cold jailor. I can freeze someone once a night and if I do so to the same person two nights in a row, they die.

I am upset about it but there's no reason to rage or whatever. It's done.

As for reads, I'm not caught up enough in the game to have any. I'm sorry, that's not useful at all.

I was planning on getting caught up later this week when I had free time, but so much for that.

this soup.

it seems like he was a jailer with like a one up man

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I literally don't care about any of this. Just tell me your stances. Don't give me any wishy-washy crap.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Sokr was mostly a vig, not really a jailer.

Rake, I want to lynch you. Everyone wants to lynch you. You'll probably get lynched. Give me your solid stances and where your head is right now. Just lay down who you think could be scum.

Everyone wants to lynch me, and you think that, with such unanimous decision I'm really going to roll anything but town ? your silly soup.

Hmm, imma say hesitantly that dabuz/kary are scum

Kary ive talked about a lot, but all he's done all game is hate me and nothing else and we've just let him do that, he's been able to keep the thread and me at arms reach by calling me scum this entire time. he's never even tried consider a different possibility and thats not townkary ignorance.

Dabuz just because i think sokr was a jailer, meaning as long sa he doesnt go 2 nights in a row, he protects people via freezing.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

i mean, even poe wise thats what im left with.

You've been toewn to me all game, Am was town telling before and as much as I dislike calling ryker town he prolly finally rolled it and isnt playing me, joey is obvtown and i know im town. all thjats left is dabuz/kary

 

[Kantrip]

Votecount

Rake [1] - soup

Aggressive Mediation [0]
dabuz [0]
Kary [0]
soup [0]
Masquerain [0]

Not Voting: Rake, AM, dabuz, Kary, Masquerain

With 6 players alive it takes 4 to lynch!

Deadline has been set for 11:59pm CST on December 26th

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Anyway, honestly i feel like after reading sokr's claim again, i wanna find out what kary is, because something moved the kill away from him, and that bothers me too.

someone tried to kill kary? when did that happen?

why would you think that happened? did you try to kill me?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Joey, why did you visit dabunz last night? Just curious.

What do you think of his claim?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I buy it. I buy Joey. I want Rake. After that, I want Soup. Soup has sat the fence ever since midway through Day 2. I am more than willing to see him burn for it.

~Ryker

Sitting on the fence doesn't make him scum. Tell me when soup plays like this as scum.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Soup if dabuz was clear, who do you want tomorrow?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Soup if dabuz was clear, who do you want tomorrow?

Assuming we lynch Rake? I already said I would more than happily fight AM come tomorrow.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Alright. I'm read up and I feel pretty confident here. I want to hear from Joey though. Then I think we can lynch somebody.

So you know, I will be V/LA from this evening (~6 hours) til Saturday evening

 

[Dooms]

Visited Dabuz because he originally claimed VT. Did the same with AM.

I believe it. Thought he was town in the first place. Just wanted to confirm.

 

[Dabuz]

Anyway, we have a Nabe scum flip. We also have 6 players left in this game (unless I can't count), we should be looking at connections with Nabe.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Hmmmm actually.

Maybe dabuz being a doc could co exist with Sokr. Hmmmm. I need to read agian.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Cool.

I think we lynch Rake, he flips scum, Doc Joey, Track AM, we win.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Lynching Rake > AM is probably game, but this more or less guarantees it.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Actually, guarantee is the wrong word, but I think this gives us the best chance of winning.

 

[Dabuz]

Raziek said: ↑

Nabe, you continue to insist that Rake is Town. Why?​

​

If you have a PR with Mod-confirmation proving this fact, then stop wasting our time and tell us, or we're going to go ahead and lynch him. You've already been blatantly obvious about it to the point that you should probably just hard claim it so we can move on with our lives.​

That.

Nabe said: ↑​

You have my reads. Reasoning:​

​

Ryu -- innate knowledge within the fabric of my being​

Rake -- guttown, I like his playstyle; the only reason I had interest in him was to straighten out a qualm​

Gorf, Thug -- guttown​

Joey -- obvtown​

Soup -- meta townlean; he hasn't exploded emotionally over minor clashes of opinion, and I haven't seen any negative motivation in his posts​

Kary -- meta townlean; working an angle on a case without obvious lurches in momentum that show across his standard scum play​

AM -- could be scum, but not with Ryuscum; two players playing two different games at cross-purposes​

Circus -- stark null​

The rest -- secret​

That's a lot of gut and not a lot of reasoning.​

For some reason I can't move those quote bubbles so I guess their the top of my post. I have went through every single page in this game to pull out quotes which explain why I think AM is a scumbuddy with Nabe. Things that look off to me, red flag, ect. This is a large collapse tab.

Spoiler

First i'm going to address the two quotes outside the collapse.

Quote 1: AM agrees with Raziek that Nabe hinting PR is bad, he thinks Nabe needs to nut up, ok. Too bad Nabe never does nut up until he fake claims Lie Detector Day 4, yet AM doesn't pressure this point either.

2: (That quote comes before the first one): AM points out something that IMO is very important about Nabe, his reads weren't good, they were all gut, little content. As you will see, this isn't the first time and I would expect AM to have pressed much harder on this.

From here on out all quotes (or at least most) are in posting order.

THAT WAS LYNCH!?

Those PR calls are whack as ****.


How about cop on someone who's a ***** to read, ie We Thuggin or me with an outside shot at Nabe?

How about I agree with Circus and you stay the **** out of the Doc's decision making, especially when talking like that is sticking a kick me sign on slots like me.

First mention of Nabe this game and it's out of place. This was the end of Day 1, during twilight. Thuggin call was reasonable, but why throw in Nabe there? At that point in time Nabe, Circus, and Scary were all basically no where to be seen this game. It's very out of place to just mention Nabe and it's AM's first mention of Nabe.

@Nabe: Nabe, my son. What we've got from you isn't enough. I wanna see you put your head out there somewhere. Gimme a read list that includes Frito, we thuggin, AM, Circus, Gorf, Raz, and Rake with some details. I need to know where your head's at before it ends in the hangman's noose.

vote: Nabe

Only time this game AM has voted Nabe BTW. Anyway, I kind of liked this part of the post. Nabe needed to be pressured and AM looked like he was doing just that, cool. Yet this is the most amount of pressure on Nabe from AM this game, and it was very early on.

There are a lot of people we simply have as "scary" right now and are rereading in order to clear up. These people are Circus, Nabe, Raz, and Soup.

-Nabe: Scares the absolute hell out of both of us. While Raz and Circus, if a gun was put to my head, would I say "lean town", Nabe does not. Nabe leans scum to me and to Alex and while it's unfair to type based on my recollection when we haven't finished reading the thread of him, my impression of him is a warmonger sitting in the back. He joins wagons without much elaboration and doesn't bring any of his own ideas to the forefront. As you can tell from my vote, I want him to commit to the game. Despite the fact that this game is only 20 pages long and about 2 days active, there is still more than enough to make some sort of impact that matters more than what he has done. I want to see that.

This somewhat changes based on what he just posted and our response to that. Will wait 48 hours, we can afford to give him that time.

IIRC this post came after the post where Rake -promised- to have a solid read on someone, fair enough by AM to give him time, AM is still suspicious of him so at this point in the game this post looks all right, i'm expecting follow up.

I am playing with my hand face up here, but I don't really have a problem with it. I don't have a good enough read on FriTo vs. WT. I admit this. This is something we need to cover, but I don't REALLY want to jump on it yet. One part that I am more interested in other things and two parts that I dread dredging through it. Past that, I am working on my Dabuz reference card. Soup wants to look there and I encourage doing that without a wagon for aforementioned reasons. I need to read Kary better because my current read is surface level. I also need to gain a more defined read on Rake. Nabe I am thinking of shortening the time I've given if we start actually making progress that isn't hinged on WT vs FriTo. I gave him 48 hours before this emerged. Its formation was unexpected when I gave Nabe that time because it came out of what I thought was going to be Soup pressure. That leaves Scary, Circus, and Gorf who I don't have anything I feel needs to be specifically addressed. I mostly want to create content and watch what they do with it. My biggest problem with those slots is the lack of information I have about them which will alleviate itself with more opportunities for input or escalate into scum reads in their own right. Yes, I just said I need to look closer at almost all the cast.

Specifically referring to the Nabe thing, why does it matter if he shortens the time? Is this AM's way to pressure Nabe or just not let the game move so far that Nabe becomes unimportant? Either way I feel like the Nabe stuff about shortening time reads a little fluffy.

Our lynch pool right now, subject to change before day's end, is primarily Rake and Dabunz, secondarily Frito and Marshy, and tertiarily Circus and Nabe.

Now, as far as lynching goes, we also have to be careful on where we look based on what it gives us because finding scum at this point is still fairly tricky. There's a lot of moving parts to this game at the moment and we're still trying to make sense of them. I do not want the day to end right now. Of note, I almost want to put Frito in the first group, but the difference between we thuggin and the last tier is significant enough to warrant the division. They're both hot topics and I understand that; however, Nabe's at the bottom of my barrel. Both slots need more explanation and we plan to investigate that but I doubt it'd yield a lynch. Circus is a split read for us. One has him null-scum, while the other has null-town. Both are tempered by the fact that most of what he has said is stuff that can't really be disagreed with but that's because he hasn't said much. Alex likes the direction he's heading and what little posts he's made, saying they line up with his townCircus meta, but Drew dislikes how he comes into the thread and narrows his focus to marshy with emerging discussion lines on Rake, Dabunz, and Nabe as well as cursory discussion of this pseudo-voting block's formation as possible subjects that he leaves untouched.

This is where AM's thought process on Nabe starts to get weird. Somehow AM goes from having a pretty strong scum-read or at least reason to pressure Nabe, to having him as a tertiary scum read? He also states he wants to pressure Nabe more (i'm starting to see a pattern where AM always wants to focus on Nabe more.) It's weird to see AM drop Nabe on his read list so much despite acknowledging ****ty play from Nabe and having him, at least apparently, much higher up based on his responses to Nabe. Yet Nabe's game hadn't changed since AM pointed out what about the slot he did not like.

Use your brain. Why do you think I wanted Nabe at that point. Why do people want Nabe now? Because he has had no real impact. Why do you ask?

Here AM acknowledges the problems about Nabe again, i'm still not seeing why AM isn't more focused on Nabe and having a much more scummy read on Nabe when he realizes the problems with Nabe's play. I also don't see exactly why AM even dropped his pressure on Nabe since in all fairness, Nabe didn't do anything except that "48 hour solid read promise" post. I forget if it came to fruition by this point in the game but considering the actual post from Nabe wasn't much anyway, I don't think it makes sense for AM to have dropped Nabe so much and say he "wanted" Nabe, not wants Nabe.

Nabe and Circus, right now it may look like things are heading for Rake by default, but I will make sure you die first if you two don't start playing the game, I swear on me mum.

This followup, so now AM wants Nabe (and Circus) if they don't start playing? Ok, so maybe that's what AM meant by wanting Nabe but that he doesn't want Nabe ATM, but really, why give Nabe more chances if he thinks Nabe is scum or doesn't like the slot? Hell, how does AM keep acknowledging Nabe's ****ty play yet AM doesn't follow up on it and just keeps this, passive dislike of Nabe?

Fiery response there.

Question: I think Nabe is the ONLY one who has defended Rake thus far. Do you think it could be a set-up?

Mostly waiting on Alex at the moment. He got Crashboarded much harder than I. Now, in some strange twist of fate, I am the one who is ahead.

Nabe. You realize that one post isn't going to cut it. I want your reads.

Oh cool, back to pressuring Nabe, also seeing a Rake/ Nabe connection here, kind of liked it.

Okay, talked to Alex. Trying to get this out while I can.

We need to move.

Step 1: Establish Lynch Pool

Rake, Circus, Nabe, Frito, Thuggin.

There. I did it. Fanatical nay-sayers please shut up for the moment. We don't need zealous white-knighting of "they can't be scum." We need actual solid reason not to lynch these people if you are defending them.

Step 2: Eliminate Choices
First things first: Nabe. Your opaque PR plan is not helping. As scum, it allows you to hide. As town, it only allows your words to be twisted. You're gonna have to nut up and give us something more so that you can actually be held accountable to SOMETHING rather than getting away with such nebulous play.

Secondly, Circus, hate to be an ***, but catch-up or die.

There's my contribution for the moment. More if I don't get Crashboarded.

Step 3: Vote

This comes later.

I take back liking the previous post. Shouldn't AM have Nabe in his lynch pool considering AM just keeps finding reasons to pressure and not like Nabe? Isn't the opaque PR plan really really suspicious? AM looks like he's just covering options by saying why he doesn't like Nabe's PR crumb as both scum and town. His town portion of that post is also vague, really vague, like super super vague that I don't see the specific context AM was going for, yet as Scum it's, oh wait, it's exactly what Nabe did this whole game, hide, his reasoning on why he doesn't like scum Nabe crumbing the PR makes perfect sense because it's what Nabe did. Yeah, I don't see how combined with other posts, that AM can specifically remove Nabe from today's lynch pool in his head.

You're not gonna get Nabe unless he seriously missteps and you're highly unlikely to get Gorf. As for Rake, I don't think he gives us the most and I think you're more likely to flip scum.

Welp, AM just basically defended Nabe here, I don't think I need to explain more how defending Nabe and saying he won't be lynched unless Nabe "seriously missteps". IDK, hasn't AM pointed out a lot of flaws in Nabe's play already?

Contingency plan. You, Nabe, Rake.

~Ryker

IIRC the context of this post was talking to We Thuggin. Ok, so now Nabe is in AM's "contingency lynch pool", w/e I guess, at least AM hasn't forgotten about how bad the slot is.

Nabe less than the other two.

Oh, no real reasoning for this, just Nabe not being at important/ worth lynching as Rake and (I think in this context) Thuggin.

I'd probably do the cool kids thing and say "Yeah, go ahead, lynch me. I don't really have any reason to keep playing. Ya da ya da."

If you get me to L-1 I (Ryker) am willing to hammer.

I'm VT.

Watch out for Gorf/WT private communication of some sort. The set-up for Gorf's hammer is so incredibly transparent, but with Nabe's play and the fact that he played much better of the Frito/WT split, I am still inclined to say neighbor/masons.

Nabe needs to stop being nebulous.

Raz is the town read I could most easily be wrong on.

Game needs flips and it needs em bad. Sokr flip did jack **** because no one was around before he died.

I'm out at least until Alex shows up. Peace late.

I already pointed out how bringing up the private communication thing and yet town reading Thuggin/ Gorf looks bad. Now there is also Nabe, who at this point AM just keeps casually mentioning, I can't find one point in this game up to this point where Nabe's play was good and can't find what made Nabe so much less important to AM than other slots. It's like Nabe is just there as a scum read yet AM doesn't want to push Nabe, he just wants to note that he does scum read Nabe but less so than other slots.

As far as not sharing earlier, I don't want you two lynched right now. Had I said it earlier, there is a distinct chance it could have caused the boiling WT wagon to catch enough steam. I then kept my mouth shut in case Nabe cleared one of you, outright. Once you say it, you can't take it back. I do not regret saying it when I did. I laid my cards on the table.

AM hints if pretty much not just out right states he believes Nabe's PR claim crumbs, which I guess could explain why he doesn't want Nabe before other slots. But if AM does believe Nabe's PR crumbs, then shouldn't Nabe be on of AM's townie reads? It's a bit contradictory to believe a PR crumb yet have that same person as one of AM's scum reads.

As for the **** Nabe was talking about, I agree with everything he said that involved Circus or the scumteam's motivations. The ****ers finally made something transparent and I'll be damned if I let it get away.

In order of importance.

Circus
Thuggin
Nabe/Gorf

Definite town reads include Joey, Scary, and Dabunz.

Null lean town is Soup.

Null lean scum is Rake.

Null is Kary.

This is from both Ryker and Alex.

Um, Nabe is still a scum read for AM, yet AM concurs with Nabe on the potential motivations as scum? By believing Nabe is scummy, doesn't that mean it's hard to take what he says about potential scum team motivations with a grain of salt? Really, it's a weird if not outright illogical set of posts.

And say what? I told you so?

I'm looking at Kary/Thuggin first tomorrow and listening to Nabe before I do anything.

I'm just watching at this point.

Listening to Nabe. I think AM meant this regarding the potential PR crumb, but then why does AM even have Nabe a s a scum read if he believes the PR crumbs, I know I pointed this out before, but AM can't be scum reading Nabe yet believing the PR crumb.

Nabe talk now.

We massclaim today.

We lynch Rake today.

We lynch Thuggin tomorrow.

Any questions?

Wants Nabe to claim now if I read this context right ok, that's fine.

Legitimately, this entire game for me is wait for Nabe. This spot is extremely simple from my perspective.

"Simple from his perspective." Right now AM looks like he's lining up to vote Nabe and just wants to claim first just in case, looks like AM has "something" planned.

Because, you could be scum. Because being wrong on Nabe is a loss. Because, if I don't get alpha'd. We have guaranteed scum in either myself or Thuggin+Gorf. Because Rake counterclaimed and Circus flipped town.

Because lynching Nabe is stupid and considering it before he posts is stupider.

AM's holding on to believing the PR crumb I think? Still, I don't see how AM is even defending Nabe when he has acknowledged Nabe's play is bad earlier in the game, that hasn't changed, and all Nabe really has is the PR crumb.

Mass claim could easily decide my 4th scummer. Nabe is the claim that means the most that we know of. I have every intention of talking out the entire game in the event that we are not lynching me.

If you are willing to pin the game on me, then ante up. Means I can sit back and see what happens.

Yep, definitely has a plan for Nabe claim.

If Rake flips town, then I buy Nabe as town AND he stays around another phase. Forcing scum to either kill him or give him another night. Yes, I am perfectly fine with that lynch order.

Now, rationalize why you don't want a mass claim for me.

And now I'm out for the weekend.

Setting up Nabe town on Rake lynch if Rake is town.

Probably also an indy, but we can't afford to hunt him.

Rake, Marshy, Nabe with Gorf being completely ****ing ******** is my bet for the scum team. See you post game or Monday, whichever comes first. I'm still in FL. Peace late.

~Ryker

I am home now, but I am about to go to bed. I don't understand why we aren't lynching Rake before Nabe. We have absolutely zero reason to believe his role and Circus's should coexist and if you doubt Nabe's role enough to lynch him, why would you not kill the guy he's coming out to protect instead.

Back later today.

The last sentence makes no sense. It's very easy to doubt Nabe's role claim more than Rake's considering it's a painter vs. an implied lie detector. I don't think the last sentence is logical at all, it just reeks of trying to push Rake and prevent Nabe's lynch.

(This post is at the bottom because I missed it in my initial reread and couldn't be bothered to find exactly where it fits.)

I can think of other teams that could, theoretically, allow for Nabe's claim, but they just take Occam's Razor and smash it to pieces.

I stick to the fact that Rake is scum. I am more than willing to lynch him. This means that Nabe's claim has to be bull****, so he's scum. Means the rest of his claim is bull****, so I have no reason not to go back to Marshy+Gorf.

My scum team stands, atm.

~Ryker.

This post came after Nabe's claim. BBasically AM wanted Nabe to claim since it looked like AM had a plan, then his plan was nothing is changed at all he wants to lynch Rake. It's really weird looking, why even ask Nabe for the claim if he doesn't have real followup except to delay the lynch and try to force a Rake lynch more?

My conclusion is this: AM is scum, AM should be toDay's play.
-He has constantly had an iiffy/ contradictory stance on Nabe this game.
-Acknowledged bad/ scummy parts of Nabe's play yet ignored them.
-He's focused on keeping Nabe in his scum reads yet except very early on into the game, hasn't pressured Nabe or dropped pressure very easily.
-Kept Nabe at arm's reach this entire game, even during Day 1 twilight.
-Defended Nabe saying other slots should be lynched before him on multiple days.
-Every time he looked situated to pressure Nabe or have some sort of plan regarding reading the slot, it amounted to very little if not nothing.
-Nabe flipped scum and AM did his best to direct the lynch away from Nabe.
-Finally, for all the reasoning that isn't a part of AM being connected to Nabe, see my other posts on AM.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Dabuns, do you think Rake is scum? Why not him today? You put a lot of effort into that post and consider me impressed, however, I don't understand your preference.

 

[Dabuz]

Rake scum is doubtful to me.

-Everyone wants him dead, he's just such an easy lynch.
-Don't think AM could be a scum buddy with Rake considering AM has been pushing Rake with the intent to lynch toDay and yesterDay.
- "Raziek's portrait was revealed!

Raziek was Slim Bankshot, the Lonely Poolshark, Vanilla Townie."

-Unless Gorf/ Thuggin's death caused this to happen, it lends validity to Rake's claim.
I don't like Rake's play this game but don't feel confident voting him.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I have a theory that I mentioned earlier but I doubt it would would hold water. If you're interested to hear I could ramble about it for a moment.

 

[Dabuz]

Ramble it quickly, I have class in a couple minutes.

 

[Dabuz]

Going to class now, want everyone to comment on my case.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Ramble it quickly, I have class in a couple minutes.

I think that Rake is Janitor. I'm going back on my original claim that Circus and Rake's role cannot co-exist, on the basis that:

1) Nabe was scum

2) Something clicked in my head and Rake's play cannot be easily forgiven just because of his role.

I have nothing more to say about 1 other than I think Nabe was playing for end-game yesterday and trying his damn near hardest to pocket a win with rake. His read on him was always shady and Rake just easily bought into it. I lynched Nabe on this premise believing that I could get to rake by getting to Nabe first, and also that Rake has literally done jack**** for the majority of this game.

2 is more formulaic and more conjecture than anything, but I think it makes sense. Does anyone remember Toonami Mafia where I was scum with Nabe? I was also a Janitor that game, but I had a nerf on my role. I couldn't consecutively Jan. If I Janned one person, then the other person I janned would be revealed. This makes sense to me because there hasn't been consistent janning this game, and I believe that if a Janitor didn't have this nerf then would have to be a role existent in this game that counter-acts it. There isn't. Circus' role matches up being a role-cop with this as it helps with possible fake-claims and scum using their janitor for fake-claims. It's a good alternative to a moritician who isn't needed with the restriction placed on the janitor.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I would go a further length and say that the mod didn't state anything that hinted towards the action Rake claims to have, which is 'painting.' All it says is that Raziek was revealed, nothing more.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

It's a connections case. I think it has merit but AM's play is also suspect in itself.

And it's not the case that everyone has been gunning for Rake.
AM refused to vote Rake D2, on the grounds that FT was important for connections.
They then lynched Circus over Rake, even though they said it was a CC situation.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Nabe openly defended Rake in the thread, he was the only guy to do so. Rake claimed to be roleblocked N3, but Nabe was the roleblocker.

If Nabe was trying to make Rake look bad by roleblocking him at Night, why would he go to the trouble of defending him during the Day?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Nabe openly defended Rake in the thread, he was the only guy to do so. Rake claimed to be roleblocked N3, but Nabe was the roleblocker.

If Nabe was trying to make Rake look bad by roleblocking him at Night, why would he go to the trouble of defending him during the Day?

This is Nabe we're talking about. He's not an idiot. I would fully believe Nabe made a plan in case things fell through and people would question why Rake couldn't reveal a flip. Nabe's roleblocker seems more precedent for the Tracker/Doc combination if anything. I'm still wary of Dabuns a bit but his AM case has got me re-thinking and making me want to trust him more. His role also fits more into my theory to be honest.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

My problem resides that if I trust Dabuns, I trust that AM would openly push his partner this whole game. That's what made me lean more on Dabuns first, but in light of his recent case it looks a bit more clearer to me.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Soup this is AM we are talking about If you saw how ryker threw job under the bus in elementscandcattributes, seeing him bus nabe all day yesterday wouldn't surprise me if they thought they could auto lynch me today

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Ebwop *pjb , elements and attributes

 

[Dabuz]

Soup this is AM we are talking about If you saw how ryker threw job under the bus in elementscandcattributes, seeing him bus nabe all day yesterday wouldn't surprise me if they thought they could auto lynch me today

I would like to add that Ryker has gone on the record of saying he thinks the strongest strategy as scum is to bus, I believe he said this iin the signups thread?

Nabe openly defended Rake in the thread, he was the only guy to do so. Rake claimed to be roleblocked N3, but Nabe was the roleblocker.

If Nabe was trying to make Rake look bad by roleblocking him at Night, why would he go to the trouble of defending him during the Day?

Do you think we could be looking at a scumteam of AM/ Ryker/ Nabe then? With AM trying to bus Rake in order to save Nabe and now just pushing Rake to look consistent/ save himself? Meanwhile Rake tried to defend Nabe?

PR wise Rake said he was RBed since he knew Nabe RB flip would add legitimacy to Rake's claim? Meanwhile Rake could just be like Soup said, a nerfed Jan?

It's a connections case. I think it has merit but AM's play is also suspect in itself.

And it's not the case that everyone has been gunning for Rake.
AM refused to vote Rake D2, on the grounds that FT was important for connections.
They then lynched Circus over Rake, even though they said it was a CC situation.

Hmmm, so Days 2 and 3 AM avoided the Rake lynch?

Yeah, this all makes me feel more confident in an AM lynch since his scum flip fills in the blanks connection wise. Although I can see the logic behind a Rake lynch now.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

How about, we have a checkmate?

Track me till the game ends. We can No Lynch until the end of time, come tomorrow. As long as I don't buy Kary scum, we have Soup with nowhere to go. He HAS to kill Kary or Dabuz or he can't win.

 

[Dabuz]

Ok, let me make sure I understand your plan. We let Masq. track you and i'll protect Masq. toNight either Soup or Kary or Rake kills one of us, most likely me. Now we are in Day 6 with presumably 3-2 and since Masq. tracked you, unless it's a 2 person scum team or one of Gorf/ Thuggin is part of the main scum team, it gets us nowhere except you didn't perform the kill, am I correct?

Basically, no lynch =/= checkmate because even if you are tracked there are 3 other people who can potentially send in the kill. On Day 6 when i'm dead you need to lynch or the game is over when no lynch occurs and a NK happens.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

How about, we have a checkmate?

Track me till the game ends. We can No Lynch until the end of time, come tomorrow. As long as I don't buy Kary scum, we have Soup with nowhere to go. He HAS to kill Kary or Dabuz or he can't win.

Did i miss something?

Kill rake. Doc joey. Track AM. If AM stays home and there's a kill, we can lynch soup or dabunz. If there's no kill, lynch AM.

I see no reason to no lynch at all.

/mobile

 

[Dabuz]

I'd rather switch AM and Rake in that, but otherwise it sounds like a reasonable plan.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

How about, we have a checkmate?

Track me till the game ends. We can No Lynch until the end of time, come tomorrow. As long as I don't buy Kary scum, we have Soup with nowhere to go. He HAS to kill Kary or Dabuz or he can't win.

I love how you'll explain how scum would go through with this and we wouldn't just end in an infinite loop for scum not killing and no action being taken. Don't be stupid.