Lucas, Roy, Ryu (1.0.8) Community Patch Notes

Sneaky boy Nick · Jun 18, 2015

Zapp Branniglenn said:
It's unknown, duh.

Actually, I've got a theory. Way earlier on in this thread we were looking at Falco's moves, and noting how Nair and Jab had "front-facing knockback". A property for a hitbox to always make the victim face the target when struck, rather than facing the hitbox that struck them. My guess is that is what the new parameters are referring to, but it could be anything.

What's the significance of the numbers 63 and 15?

Zapp Branniglenn · Jun 18, 2015

Thekiller37 said:
I'm sorry to ask, but is there any data on changes for Jigglypuff? I seem to remember reading something regarding it in a thread somewhere, but can't seem to find it.

No changes on her moves' hitboxes. I personally looked for any changes on lag on those moves, but didn't find anything.

Edit: Adding the data because I want this readily visible on each page for now.

Thinkaman said:

Code:

Mario
-----
NO CHANGES

Luigi
-----
NO CHANGES

Peach
-----
Jab2
    hitbox 1
        size 2.4 -> 3.0
    hitbox 2
        size 2.4 -> 4.0

Bowser
------
Utilt
    unknown events frame 11 -> 10
    hitbox 2 removed
    all hitboxes
        frame 12 -> 11
        damage 10 -> 9
        x 7.4 -> 6.9
    animation speed 1.5x for frames 17-52 (11 frames faster?)

Yoshi
-----
NO CHANGES

Rosalina
--------
Rapid Jab End
    hitbox
        kbg 170 -> 150

Bowser Jr.
----------
NO CHANGES

Wario
-----
Unknown parameters set to 63 and 15 on many of his hitboxes
Jab1
    hitbox 0
        angle 65 -> 55
        bkb 35 -> 45
    hitbox 1
        angle 75 -> 72
        kbg 50 -> 40
        bkb 28 -> 38
Jab2
    third hitbox added, positions adjusted
    all hitboxes
        size 5.5/3.5 -> 5.8/3.8/3.3

Mr. Game & Watch
----------------
Dtilt
    hitbox 0 (6%)
        kbg 120 -> 125
        bkb 10 -> 40
    hitbox 1 (1%)
        kbg 100 -> 120
        bkb 60 -> 70
        size 9.0 -> 10.5
        unknown param 11.0 -> 9.0

Donkey Kong
-----------
Cargo fthrow
    throwbox 0 (launching component of throw)
        damage 8 -> 10
Cargo bthrow
    throwbox 0 (launching component of throw)
        damage 8 -> 12
        angle 55 -> 72
        bkb 80 -> 70
Cargo uthrow
    throwbox 0 (launching component of throw)
        damage 7 -> 10
Cargo dthrow
    throwbox 0 (launching component of throw)
        damage 6 -> 7
        angle 45 -> 48
        kbg 38 -> 80
        bkb 65 -> 50
    unknown event moved from frame 18 -> 17
        momentum boost added

Diddy Kong
----------
Jab1
    all hitboxes
        damage 1.5 -> 1.2
    transition to jab2
        frame 10 -> 8
Jab2
    all hitboxes
        damage 1.5 -> 1.2
    transition to jab3
        frame 9 -> 8
Jab3
    all hitboxes
        wkb 30 -> 25
        size 4.0/3.5/3.0 -> 4.2/3.7/3.2
    transition to rapid jab loop
        frame 22 -> 15
Rapid Jab Loop
    a variety of small hitboxes replaced with one big one
    new hitboxes
        damage 0.6 -> 0.5
        angle 70/90 -> 60
        wkb 6 -> 4
        size 3.0 -> 6.7
        SDI 1.3 -> 0.7
        unknown param (default) -> 6.8
        unknown param (default) -> 6.0
Rapid Jab End
    animation speed 2.0x for frames 0-8 (4 frames faster)
    hitbox
        kbg 180 -> 177
        bkb 30 -> 45
        size 5.0 -> 7.2
        y 5.5 -> 6.8
        unknown param 5.5 -> 6.8
        unknown param 5.5 -> 6.0
Dtilt
    new 3rd hitbox (centered on clap?) identical to other two
    all hitboxes
        damage 6.0 -> 5.5
Uair
    all hitboxes
        begin frame 3 -> 4
        kbg 99 -> 89
        bkb 65 -> 64
    landing lag window
        3-15 -> 0-27
Uthrow
    hitbox (launching component of throw)
        damage 4 -> 1 (total 8 -> 5)
        bkb 100 -> 120
        bkb 30 -> 50
Dthrow
    throwbox 0 (launching component of throw)
        damage 6.0 -> 7.0
        angle 105 -> 106
        kbg 50 -> 59

Link
----
Jab 1
    massive adjustments; hitbox timings, sizes, positions, angles, and knockback entirely reworked with separate ground/aerial target hitboxes
Dtilt
    animation speed 1.33x for frames 0-12 (2 frames faster?)
    hitboxes
        damage 12 -> 11
        x 12.8/15.4 -> 14.1/16.6
Grab
    unknown param 28 -> 32
    animation speed 1.25x for frames 30-70 instead of 1.33x for frames 30-54 (3 frames faster?)
Dash Grab
    unknown param 28 -> 32
    animation speed 1.25x for frames 32-71 (8 frames faster?)
Pivot Grab
    unknown param 37 -> 41
    animation speed 1.25x for frames 33-72 (8 frames faster?)
Fthrow
    throwbox 0 (launching component of throw)
        angle 55 -> 50
Dthrow
    throwbox 0 (launching component of throw)
        damage 4 -> 3
        angle 110 -> 83
        kbg 90 -> 85
Spin Attack
    all stage 1 (of 4) hitboxes
        kbg 84 -> 85
    all stage 2 (of 4) hitboxes
        kbg 80 -> 85
    all stage 3 (of 4) hitboxes
        kbg 80 -> 82
Shocking Spin Attack
    all stage 2 (of 3) hitboxes
        kbg 80 -> 82

Zelda
-----
Usmash
    all looping hitboxes
        increased in size by 0.5
        wkb 40/50/60/60 -> all 40
        SDI 1.0 -> 0.5
    final hitboxes
        kbg 190 -> 214
Nair
    hitbox 0 and 1 IDs and damage (1.0/2.0) swapped

Sheik
-----
NO CHANGES

Ganondorf
---------
NO CHANGES

Toon Link
---------
Jab1
    hitbox 0 and 2 IDs swapped
Jab2
    hitbox 0 and 2 IDs swapped
    kbg 37 -> 34
    bkb 16 -> 25
Jab3
    all hitboxes
        size 3.5 -> 4.2
    hitbox 0
        z 5.0 -> 4.5

Samus
-----
Usmash
    all hitboxes increased in size by 0.5
    some hitboxes split in two, or given angle+wkb adjustments
    final hitbox
        kbg 135 -> 150
        size 7.0/3.5 -> 7.3/4.0

Zero Suit Samus
---------------
NO CHANGES

Pit
---
NO CHANGES

Palutena
--------
Utilt
    all hitboxes
        bone 1000 -> 0
        size and positions adjusted heavily
    looping hitboxes
        damage 1.0 -> 1.2

Marth
-----
Jab1
    all hitboxes
        damage 4/6 -> 3/5
        angle 361 -> 78/65/90
        kbg 50/70 -> 30
        bkb 20/30 -> 55
        hitlag 1.0 -> 0.7
    transition to jab2
        frame 20 -> 17
Jab2
    all hitboxes
        angle 361 -> 45
        kbg 50/70 -> 75
        bkb 20/30 -> 62
Utilt
    initial hitboxes
        angle 361 -> 100 (already 100 on hitboxes 0,3)
        bkb 50 -> 65
    delayed hitboxes
        angle 361 -> 100 (already 100 on hitboxes 0,3)
        bkb 40 -> 52
Dolphin Slash
    initial hitboxes
        kbg 68 -> 74
        hitlag 0.5 -> 0.7
Crescent Slash
    initial hitboxes
        hitlag 0.5 -> 0.7

Ike
---
Jab1
    transition to jab2
        frame 13 -> 10
Jab2
    new hitbox added as hitbox 1; old hitbox 1 changed to hitbox 2
    hitbox 0
        y 8.0 -> 7.5
    new hitbox 1
        angle 80 (others are 65)
        kbg 80 (others are 80/100)
        wbg 25 (others are 40/50)
        size 3.5
Jab3
    hitboxes appear on frame 7 -> 6 (1 frame faster)
    hitbox 3
        size 2.5 -> 3.2
    hitbox duration 3 -> 4 frames
Dash Attack
    animation speed 1.25x for frames 0-17 (3 frames faster?)
    hitboxes appear on frame 18 -> 17 (4 frames faster total?)
    hitbox 0
        damage 10 -> 14
        angle 55 -> 52
        kbg 70 -> 78
        size 6.0 -> 6.3
        hitlag 1.0 -> 1.2
    hitbox 1
        damage 8 -> 11
        angle 55 -> 52
        kbg 70 -> 78
    hitbox 2
        damage 5 -> 9

Ftilt (all)
    animation speed 1.25x for frames 0-14 (2 frames faster?)
    hitboxes appear on frame 15 -> 14 (3 frames faster total?)
    all 3 old hitboxes replaced with 1 new one
    new hitbox
        bone 1000 -> 1
        damage 14/14/12 -> 12.5
Utilt
    initial hitbox
        y 12.0 -> 13.0
    delayed hitbox
        y 10.5 -> 12.0
        lasts until frame 19 -> 22 (duration 5 -> 8 frames)
Fair
    hitboxes appear on frame 16 -> 14 (2 frames faster)
    hitbox 0
        y 9.0 -> 10.5
    hitbox 1
        y 6.2 -> 6.75
    hitbox 2
        y 4.0 -> 3.0
Some 1.25x animation speed added to a couple unknown minor actions (non-attacks)

Robin
-----
NO CHANGES

Kirby
-----
NO CHANGES

King Dedede
-----------
NO CHANGES

Meta Knight
-----------
Rapid Jab Loop
    all hitboxes
        divided into 2 for better coverage (positions adjusted)
        damage 1.0 -> 1.2
        kbg 40 -> 30
        size 5.5 -> 5.8/6.8 pairs
        SDI 1.0 -> 0.6
Rapid Jab End
    hitbox
        size 5.7 -> 8.0
        y 5.5 -> 7.0
        x 18.0 -> 20.0
Ftilt3
    all hitboxes
        damage 3 -> 4
        angle 65 -> 361
        kbg 110 -> 107

Little Mac
----------
NO CHANGES

Fox
---
NO CHANGES

Falco
-----
Unknown parameters set to 63 and 15 on many of his hitboxes
Jab1
    hitbox 0 and 2 IDs swapped
    all hitboxes
        bkb 30 -> 35
    hitbox 0 (new)
        angle 80 -> 68
        size 2.0 -> 2.5
        z 0.0 -> -0.5
    hitbox 1
        angle 80 -> 77
        size 3.0 -> 3.2
Jab2
    hitbox 2
        angle 50 -> 45
        size 2.0 -> 5.0
        z 0.0 -> -0.5
    transition to jab3
        frame 10 -> 9
Rapid Jab Loop
    hitbox 0
        size 2.0 -> 2.7
    hitbox 1
        size 3.0 -> 3.2
Usmash
    ID and GID tweaks to hitboxes
    final hitboxes last frames 13-20 -> 12-21
Nair
    basically a different move; same timings, but all 16 of its hitboxes have been altered
        generally wkb increased and most angles set to 367 and sizes significantly increases
Fair
    animation speed 1.33x for frames 0-37 (9 frames faster total? hits 2 frames faster?)
    looping hitboxes
        refresh time 6 -> 4 (total looping hits 3 -> 5, or 7 -> 9 damage total)
Fair Landing
    hitbox
        damage 5 -> 3
        bkb 30 -> 50
Uair
    animation speed 1.5x for frames 0-8 (2 frames faster?)
    hitboxes appear on frame 10 -> 8 (4 frames faster total)
    all hitboxes
        damage 11 -> 10
        angle 68/68/80 -> 65/75/85
        kbg 100/100/20 -> 90/90/90
        bkb 27/27/30 -> 35/35/35
    hitbox 0
        size 4.8 -> 5.0
Dair
    initial hitbox bifurcated; hits grounded targets at angle 80
    sourspot replaces on frame 19 -> 20 (sweetspot duration 3 -> 4)
    sourspot hitbox
        size 5.0 -> 5.3

Pikachu
-------
NO CHANGES

Charizard
---------
Jab1
    hitbox 0
        wkb 15 -> 26
    hitbox 1 + 2
        wkb 10 -> 22
    transition to jab2
        frame 10 -> 9
Jab2
    transition to jab3
        frame 10 -> 9
Jab3
    all hitboxes
        kbg 110 -> 130
Fair
    hitbox 0
        size 4.3 -> 4.6
        x 7.0 -> 7.5
    delayed hitbox 0
        kbg 98 -> 97
        size 4.5 -> 4.8
        z 7.0 -> 7.5
    hitboxes removed on frame 12-> 13 (total duration 4 -> 5)
Uthrow
    throwbox 0 (launching component of throw)
        angle 60 -> 70
        kbg 160 -> 220
Dthrow
    throwbox 0 (launching component of throw)
        angle 361 -> 70
        kbg 300 -> 130
        bkb 40 -> 70

Lucario
-------
Jab1
    hitbox 0
        angle 60 -> 80
        kbg 30 -> 10
        bkb 45 -> 33
    hitbox 1
        kgb 30 -> 10
        bkb 45 -> 33
    delayed hitbox 0
        angle 90 -> 80
        kbg 30 -> 10
        bkb 50 -> 32
Jab2
    hitbox 0
        angle 72 -> 60
        kbg 30 -> 20
        bkb 50 -> 38
    hitbox 1
        kgb 30 -> 20
        bkb 50 -> 32
    hitbox 2
        kgb 30 -> 20

Jigglypuff
----------
NO CHANGES

Greninja
--------
Ftilt (all)
    all hitboxes
        damage 6.5 -> 7.3
        kbg 112 -> 110/90/70
        bkb 15 -> 20/30/40
    hitboxes 1 + 2 have z-pos adjusted
    hitbox 2 bone 3 -> 5
    animation speed 1.33x from frame 13-38 (7 frames faster?)

Duck Hunt
---------
NO CHANGES

R.O.B.
------
NO CHANGES

Ness
----
NO CHANGES

Captain Falcon
--------------
F-smash (up)
    all hitboxes
        KBG 94 -> 95
F-smash (straight)
    all hitboxes
        KBG 94 -> 95
F-smash (down)
    all hitboxes
        KBG 84 -> 85
Uair
    initial hitbox 0
        damage 13 -> 11
        bkg 10 -> 16
    initial hitbox 1
        damage 12 -> 10
        bkg 10 -> 16
    late hitbox 0
        damage 12 -> 10
        bkg 8 -> 10
    late hitbox 1
        damage 10 -> 9
        bkg 8 -> 10

Villager
--------
Weird FacingRestriction Flag removed from Bair Projectile Hitboxes
Fthrow
    throwbox 0 (launching component of throw)
        bkb 100 -> 102
Bthrow
    throwbox 0 (launching component of throw)
        bkb 15 -> 18
Dthrow
    throwbox 0 (launching component of throw)
        damage 4.5 -> 6.0
        kbg 105 -> 80

Olimar
------
NO CHANGES

Wii Fit Trainer
---------------
NO CHANGES

Dr. Mario
---------
NO CHANGES

Dark Pit
--------
NO CHANGES

Lucina
------
Jab1
    all hitboxes
        damage 4.75 -> 3.325
        angle 361 -> 78/65/90
        kbg 50 -> 30
        bkb 20 -> 55
        hitlag 1.0 -> 0.7
    transition to jab2
        frame 20 -> 18
Jab2
    all hitboxes
        angle 361 -> 45
        kbg 60 -> 75
        bkb 25 -> 62
        hitlag 1.0 -> 0.7
        unknown param 0 -> 1
Ftilt
    all hitboxes
        damage 9.975 -> 10.925
Utilt
    initial hitboxes
        angle 361 -> 100 (already 100 on hitboxes 0,3)
        bkb 50 -> 65
    delayed hitboxes
        angle 361 -> 100 (already 100 on hitboxes 0,3)
        bkb 40 -> 52
Dolphin Slash
    initial hitboxes
        kbg 68 -> 74
        hitlag 0.5 -> 0.7
Crescent Slash
    initial hitboxes
        hitlag 0.5 -> 0.7

Shulk
-----
NO CHANGES

Pac-Man
-------
NO CHANGES

Mega Man
--------
NO CHANGES

Sonic
-----
Usmash
    final hitbox
        kbg 177 -> 165

Mewtwo
------
UNKNOWN

Lucas
-----
[NEW]

Roy
---
[NEW]

Ryu
---
[NEW]

Mii Brawler
-----------
Onslaught Startup (ground and aerial)
    all windboxes
        unknown params changed
    windbox 1
        angle 50 -> 361
        kbg 100 -> 0
        wkb 80 -> 0
        element Hit -> Push

Mii Swordfighter
----------------
Unknown parameters set to 63 and 15 on many of his hitboxes
Jab1
    animation speed 1.25x for frames 0-5 (1 frame faster)
    hitboxes appear on frame 7 -> 6 (2 frames faster total)
    hitbox 2 split into 2
    all hitboxes
        angle 85/361/361 -> 85/50/45/45
        kbg 37 -> 20
        bkb 16 -> 32
    transition to jab2
        frame 10 -> 9
Jab2
    hitboxes 0 and 1 IDs swapped
    hitbox 1
        swapped angle 100 -> 96
    hitbox 2 split into 2
    transition to jab3
        frame 10 -> 9
Jab3
    hitboxes 0 and 1 IDs swapped
    hitbox 2 split into 2
Dash Attack
    all hitboxes
        size 3.0/2.2 -> 4.0/3.0
Ftilt
    hitbox 1 split into 2
Nair
    animation speed 1.18x for frames 0-10 (1 frame faster?)
    hitboxes appear on frame 12 -> 11 (2 frames faster total)
Fair
    hitbox 2 (initial and middle)
        size 2.4 -> 3.5
    hitbox 2 (final)
        size 3.2 -> 3.5
Bair
    all hitboxes
        damage 12 -> 14
Dair Landing
    hitbox
        x 9.0 -> 10.5
Slash Launcher
    windbox 0
        x 5.0 -> 6.0

Mii Gunner
----------
NO CHANGES

Keep2D · Jun 18, 2015

Thinkaman said:

Alright, never say I don't love you guys. Shoutouts to Schiffe for supplying the files.

REMEMBER, this does NOT include:

IASA times on animations (endlag nor landing lag)
Overall engine quirks/alterations
Grabbable items
Anything involving Mewtwo; I don't have readable 1.0.6/7 files for him. (If you do, please share?)
Anything involving the new characters. (This is a changelog!)

This DOES include any and all possible changes to:

Hitbox ID, damage, knockback, angle, element, size, position, tripping, SDI, hitlag, ect.
Move startup times
Animation speedup-based timing changes
All move startup timings
All AC timings
All super/heavy armor (spoilers, no changes)
All state transitions (like jabs)

It is possible but unlikely that any of these were missed while compiling this list.

Code:

Mario
-----
NO CHANGES

Luigi
-----
NO CHANGES

Peach
-----
Jab2
    hitbox 1
        size 2.4 -> 3.0
    hitbox 2
        size 2.4 -> 4.0

Bowser
------
Utilt
    unknown events frame 11 -> 10
    hitbox 2 removed
    all hitboxes
        frame 12 -> 11
        damage 10 -> 9
        x 7.4 -> 6.9
    animation speed 1.5x for frames 17-52 (11 frames faster?)

Yoshi
-----
NO CHANGES

Rosalina
--------
Rapid Jab End
    hitbox
        kbg 170 -> 150

Bowser Jr.
----------
NO CHANGES

Wario
-----
Unknown parameters set to 63 and 15 on many of his hitboxes
Jab1
    hitbox 0
        angle 65 -> 55
        bkb 35 -> 45
    hitbox 1
        angle 75 -> 72
        kbg 50 -> 40
        bkb 28 -> 38
Jab2
    third hitbox added, positions adjusted
    all hitboxes
        size 5.5/3.5 -> 5.8/3.8/3.3

Mr. Game & Watch
----------------
Dtilt
    hitbox 0 (6%)
        kbg 120 -> 125
        bkb 10 -> 40
    hitbox 1 (1%)
        kbg 100 -> 120
        bkb 60 -> 70
        size 9.0 -> 10.5
        unknown param 11.0 -> 9.0

Donkey Kong
-----------
Cargo fthrow
    throwbox 0 (launching component of throw)
        damage 8 -> 10
Cargo bthrow
    throwbox 0 (launching component of throw)
        damage 8 -> 12
        angle 55 -> 72
        bkb 80 -> 70
Cargo uthrow
    throwbox 0 (launching component of throw)
        damage 7 -> 10
Cargo dthrow
    throwbox 0 (launching component of throw)
        damage 6 -> 7
        angle 45 -> 48
        kbg 38 -> 80
        bkb 65 -> 50
    unknown event moved from frame 18 -> 17
        momentum boost added

Diddy Kong
----------
Jab1
    all hitboxes
        damage 1.5 -> 1.2
    transition to jab2
        frame 10 -> 8
Jab2
    all hitboxes
        damage 1.5 -> 1.2
    transition to jab3
        frame 9 -> 8
Jab3
    all hitboxes
        wkb 30 -> 25
        size 4.0/3.5/3.0 -> 4.2/3.7/3.2
    transition to rapid jab loop
        frame 22 -> 15
Rapid Jab Loop
    a variety of small hitboxes replaced with one big one
    new hitboxes
        damage 0.6 -> 0.5
        angle 70/90 -> 60
        wkb 6 -> 4
        size 3.0 -> 6.7
        SDI 1.3 -> 0.7
        unknown param (default) -> 6.8
        unknown param (default) -> 6.0
Rapid Jab End
    animation speed 2.0x for frames 0-8 (4 frames faster)
    hitbox
        kbg 180 -> 177
        bkb 30 -> 45
        size 5.0 -> 7.2
        y 5.5 -> 6.8
        unknown param 5.5 -> 6.8
        unknown param 5.5 -> 6.0
Dtilt
    new 3rd hitbox (centered on clap?) identical to other two
    all hitboxes
        damage 6.0 -> 5.5
Uair
    all hitboxes
        begin frame 3 -> 4
        kbg 99 -> 89
        bkb 65 -> 64
    landing lag window
        3-15 -> 0-27
Uthrow
    hitbox (launching component of throw)
        damage 4 -> 1 (total 8 -> 5)
        bkb 100 -> 120
        bkb 30 -> 50
Dthrow
    throwbox 0 (launching component of throw)
        damage 6.0 -> 7.0
        angle 105 -> 106
        kbg 50 -> 59

Link
----
Jab 1
    massive adjustments; hitbox timings, sizes, positions, angles, and knockback entirely reworked with separate ground/aerial target hitboxes
Dtilt
    animation speed 1.33x for frames 0-12 (2 frames faster?)
    hitboxes
        damage 12 -> 11
        x 12.8/15.4 -> 14.1/16.6
Grab
    unknown param 28 -> 32
    animation speed 1.25x for frames 30-70 instead of 1.33x for frames 30-54 (3 frames faster?)
Dash Grab
    unknown param 28 -> 32
    animation speed 1.25x for frames 32-71 (8 frames faster?)
Pivot Grab
    unknown param 37 -> 41
    animation speed 1.25x for frames 33-72 (8 frames faster?)
Fthrow
    throwbox 0 (launching component of throw)
        angle 55 -> 50
Dthrow
    throwbox 0 (launching component of throw)
        damage 4 -> 3
        angle 110 -> 83
        kbg 90 -> 85
Spin Attack
    all stage 1 (of 4) hitboxes
        kbg 84 -> 85
    all stage 2 (of 4) hitboxes
        kbg 80 -> 85
    all stage 3 (of 4) hitboxes
        kbg 80 -> 82
Shocking Spin Attack
    all stage 2 (of 3) hitboxes
        kbg 80 -> 82

Zelda
-----
Usmash
    all looping hitboxes
        increased in size by 0.5
        wkb 40/50/60/60 -> all 40
        SDI 1.0 -> 0.5
    final hitboxes
        kbg 190 -> 214
Nair
    hitbox 0 and 1 IDs and damage (1.0/2.0) swapped

Sheik
-----
NO CHANGES

Ganondorf
---------
NO CHANGES

Toon Link
---------
Jab1
    hitbox 0 and 2 IDs swapped
Jab2
    hitbox 0 and 2 IDs swapped
    kbg 37 -> 34
    bkb 16 -> 25
Jab3
    all hitboxes
        size 3.5 -> 4.2
    hitbox 0
        z 5.0 -> 4.5

Samus
-----
Usmash
    all hitboxes increased in size by 0.5
    some hitboxes split in two, or given angle+wkb adjustments
    final hitbox
        kbg 135 -> 150
        size 7.0/3.5 -> 7.3/4.0

Zero Suit Samus
---------------
NO CHANGES

Pit
---
NO CHANGES

Palutena
--------
Utilt
    all hitboxes
        bone 1000 -> 0
        size and positions adjusted heavily
    looping hitboxes
        damage 1.0 -> 1.2

Marth
-----
Jab1
    all hitboxes
        damage 4/6 -> 3/5
        angle 361 -> 78/65/90
        kbg 50/70 -> 30
        bkb 20/30 -> 55
        hitlag 1.0 -> 0.7
    transition to jab2
        frame 20 -> 17
Jab2
    all hitboxes
        angle 361 -> 45
        kbg 50/70 -> 75
        bkb 20/30 -> 62
Utilt
    initial hitboxes
        angle 361 -> 100 (already 100 on hitboxes 0,3)
        bkb 50 -> 65
    delayed hitboxes
        angle 361 -> 100 (already 100 on hitboxes 0,3)
        bkb 40 -> 52
Dolphin Slash
    initial hitboxes
        kbg 68 -> 74
        hitlag 0.5 -> 0.7
Crescent Slash
    initial hitboxes
        hitlag 0.5 -> 0.7

Ike
---
Jab1
    transition to jab2
        frame 13 -> 10
Jab2
    new hitbox added as hitbox 1; old hitbox 1 changed to hitbox 2
    hitbox 0
        y 8.0 -> 7.5
    new hitbox 1
        angle 80 (others are 65)
        kbg 80 (others are 80/100)
        wbg 25 (others are 40/50)
        size 3.5
Jab3
    hitboxes appear on frame 7 -> 6 (1 frame faster)
    hitbox 3
        size 2.5 -> 3.2
    hitbox duration 3 -> 4 frames
Dash Attack
    animation speed 1.25x for frames 0-17 (3 frames faster?)
    hitboxes appear on frame 18 -> 17 (4 frames faster total?)
    hitbox 0
        damage 10 -> 14
        angle 55 -> 52
        kbg 70 -> 78
        size 6.0 -> 6.3
        hitlag 1.0 -> 1.2
    hitbox 1
        damage 8 -> 11
        angle 55 -> 52
        kbg 70 -> 78
    hitbox 2
        damage 5 -> 9

Ftilt (all)
    animation speed 1.25x for frames 0-14 (2 frames faster?)
    hitboxes appear on frame 15 -> 14 (3 frames faster total?)
    all 3 old hitboxes replaced with 1 new one
    new hitbox
        bone 1000 -> 1
        damage 14/14/12 -> 12.5
Utilt
    initial hitbox
        y 12.0 -> 13.0
    delayed hitbox
        y 10.5 -> 12.0
        lasts until frame 19 -> 22 (duration 5 -> 8 frames)
Fair
    hitboxes appear on frame 16 -> 14 (2 frames faster)
    hitbox 0
        y 9.0 -> 10.5
    hitbox 1
        y 6.2 -> 6.75
    hitbox 2
        y 4.0 -> 3.0
Some 1.25x animation speed added to a couple unknown minor actions (non-attacks)

Robin
-----
NO CHANGES

Kirby
-----
NO CHANGES

King Dedede
-----------
NO CHANGES

Meta Knight
-----------
Rapid Jab Loop
    all hitboxes
        divided into 2 for better coverage (positions adjusted)
        damage 1.0 -> 1.2
        kbg 40 -> 30
        size 5.5 -> 5.8/6.8 pairs
        SDI 1.0 -> 0.6
Rapid Jab End
    hitbox
        size 5.7 -> 8.0
        y 5.5 -> 7.0
        x 18.0 -> 20.0
Ftilt3
    all hitboxes
        damage 3 -> 4
        angle 65 -> 361
        kbg 110 -> 107

Little Mac
----------
NO CHANGES

Fox
---
NO CHANGES

Falco
-----
Unknown parameters set to 63 and 15 on many of his hitboxes
Jab1
    hitbox 0 and 2 IDs swapped
    all hitboxes
        bkb 30 -> 35
    hitbox 0 (new)
        angle 80 -> 68
        size 2.0 -> 2.5
        z 0.0 -> -0.5
    hitbox 1
        angle 80 -> 77
        size 3.0 -> 3.2
Jab2
    hitbox 2
        angle 50 -> 45
        size 2.0 -> 5.0
        z 0.0 -> -0.5
    transition to jab3
        frame 10 -> 9
Rapid Jab Loop
    hitbox 0
        size 2.0 -> 2.7
    hitbox 1
        size 3.0 -> 3.2
Usmash
    ID and GID tweaks to hitboxes
    final hitboxes last frames 13-20 -> 12-21
Nair
    basically a different move; same timings, but all 16 of its hitboxes have been altered
        generally wkb increased and most angles set to 367 and sizes significantly increases
Fair
    animation speed 1.33x for frames 0-37 (9 frames faster total? hits 2 frames faster?)
    looping hitboxes
        refresh time 6 -> 4 (total looping hits 3 -> 5, or 7 -> 9 damage total)
Fair Landing
    hitbox
        damage 5 -> 3
        bkb 30 -> 50
Uair
    animation speed 1.5x for frames 0-8 (2 frames faster?)
    hitboxes appear on frame 10 -> 8 (4 frames faster total)
    all hitboxes
        damage 11 -> 10
        angle 68/68/80 -> 65/75/85
        kbg 100/100/20 -> 90/90/90
        bkb 27/27/30 -> 35/35/35
    hitbox 0
        size 4.8 -> 5.0
Dair
    initial hitbox bifurcated; hits grounded targets at angle 80
    sourspot replaces on frame 19 -> 20 (sweetspot duration 3 -> 4)
    sourspot hitbox
        size 5.0 -> 5.3

Pikachu
-------
NO CHANGES

Charizard
---------
Jab1
    hitbox 0
        wkb 15 -> 26
    hitbox 1 + 2
        wkb 10 -> 22
    transition to jab2
        frame 10 -> 9
Jab2
    transition to jab3
        frame 10 -> 9
Jab3
    all hitboxes
        kbg 110 -> 130
Fair
    hitbox 0
        size 4.3 -> 4.6
        x 7.0 -> 7.5
    delayed hitbox 0
        kbg 98 -> 97
        size 4.5 -> 4.8
        z 7.0 -> 7.5
    hitboxes removed on frame 12-> 13 (total duration 4 -> 5)
Uthrow
    throwbox 0 (launching component of throw)
        angle 60 -> 70
        kbg 160 -> 220
Dthrow
    throwbox 0 (launching component of throw)
        angle 361 -> 70
        kbg 300 -> 130
        bkb 40 -> 70

Lucario
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Jab1
    hitbox 0
        angle 60 -> 80
        kbg 30 -> 10
        bkb 45 -> 33
    hitbox 1
        kgb 30 -> 10
        bkb 45 -> 33
    delayed hitbox 0
        angle 90 -> 80
        kbg 30 -> 10
        bkb 50 -> 32
Jab2
    hitbox 0
        angle 72 -> 60
        kbg 30 -> 20
        bkb 50 -> 38
    hitbox 1
        kgb 30 -> 20
        bkb 50 -> 32
    hitbox 2
        kgb 30 -> 20

Jigglypuff
----------
NO CHANGES

Greninja
--------
Ftilt (all)
    all hitboxes
        damage 6.5 -> 7.3
        kbg 112 -> 110/90/70
        bkb 15 -> 20/30/40
    hitboxes 1 + 2 have z-pos adjusted
    hitbox 2 bone 3 -> 5
    animation speed 1.33x from frame 13-38 (7 frames faster?)

Duck Hunt
---------
NO CHANGES

R.O.B.
------
NO CHANGES

Ness
----
NO CHANGES

Captain Falcon
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F-smash (up)
    all hitboxes
        KBG 94 -> 95
F-smash (straight)
    all hitboxes
        KBG 94 -> 95
F-smash (down)
    all hitboxes
        KBG 84 -> 85
Uair
    initial hitbox 0
        damage 13 -> 11
        bkg 10 -> 16
    initial hitbox 1
        damage 12 -> 10
        bkg 10 -> 16
    late hitbox 0
        damage 12 -> 10
        bkg 8 -> 10
    late hitbox 1
        damage 10 -> 9
        bkg 8 -> 10

Villager
--------
Weird FacingRestriction Flag removed from Bair Projectile Hitboxes
Fthrow
    throwbox 0 (launching component of throw)
        bkb 100 -> 102
Bthrow
    throwbox 0 (launching component of throw)
        bkb 15 -> 18
Dthrow
    throwbox 0 (launching component of throw)
        damage 4.5 -> 6.0
        kbg 105 -> 80

Olimar
------
NO CHANGES

Wii Fit Trainer
---------------
NO CHANGES

Dr. Mario
---------
NO CHANGES

Dark Pit
--------
NO CHANGES

Lucina
------
Jab1
    all hitboxes
        damage 4.75 -> 3.325
        angle 361 -> 78/65/90
        kbg 50 -> 30
        bkb 20 -> 55
        hitlag 1.0 -> 0.7
    transition to jab2
        frame 20 -> 18
Jab2
    all hitboxes
        angle 361 -> 45
        kbg 60 -> 75
        bkb 25 -> 62
        hitlag 1.0 -> 0.7
        unknown param 0 -> 1
Ftilt
    all hitboxes
        damage 9.975 -> 10.925
Utilt
    initial hitboxes
        angle 361 -> 100 (already 100 on hitboxes 0,3)
        bkb 50 -> 65
    delayed hitboxes
        angle 361 -> 100 (already 100 on hitboxes 0,3)
        bkb 40 -> 52
Dolphin Slash
    initial hitboxes
        kbg 68 -> 74
        hitlag 0.5 -> 0.7
Crescent Slash
    initial hitboxes
        hitlag 0.5 -> 0.7

Shulk
-----
NO CHANGES

Pac-Man
-------
NO CHANGES

Mega Man
--------
NO CHANGES

Sonic
-----
Usmash
    final hitbox
        kbg 177 -> 165

Mewtwo
------
UNKNOWN

Lucas
-----
[NEW]

Roy
---
[NEW]

Ryu
---
[NEW]

Mii Brawler
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Onslaught Startup (ground and aerial)
    all windboxes
        unknown params changed
    windbox 1
        angle 50 -> 361
        kbg 100 -> 0
        wkb 80 -> 0
        element Hit -> Push

Mii Swordfighter
----------------
Unknown parameters set to 63 and 15 on many of his hitboxes
Jab1
    animation speed 1.25x for frames 0-5 (1 frame faster)
    hitboxes appear on frame 7 -> 6 (2 frames faster total)
    hitbox 2 split into 2
    all hitboxes
        angle 85/361/361 -> 85/50/45/45
        kbg 37 -> 20
        bkb 16 -> 32
    transition to jab2
        frame 10 -> 9
Jab2
    hitboxes 0 and 1 IDs swapped
    hitbox 1
        swapped angle 100 -> 96
    hitbox 2 split into 2
    transition to jab3
        frame 10 -> 9
Jab3
    hitboxes 0 and 1 IDs swapped
    hitbox 2 split into 2
Dash Attack
    all hitboxes
        size 3.0/2.2 -> 4.0/3.0
Ftilt
    hitbox 1 split into 2
Nair
    animation speed 1.18x for frames 0-10 (1 frame faster?)
    hitboxes appear on frame 12 -> 11 (2 frames faster total)
Fair
    hitbox 2 (initial and middle)
        size 2.4 -> 3.5
    hitbox 2 (final)
        size 3.2 -> 3.5
Bair
    all hitboxes
        damage 12 -> 14
Dair Landing
    hitbox
        x 9.0 -> 10.5
Slash Launcher
    windbox 0
        x 5.0 -> 6.0

Mii Gunner
----------
NO CHANGES

I can't find the change on Mr. Game & Watch's decreased landing lag on Bair, could you show where it is if I missed it or show evidence?

Ghostbone · Jun 18, 2015

Thinkaman said:
Has any character in any Smash game had this level of reward on a throw, while having such a high grab range and run-speed?

Melee Marth

SeanS · Jun 18, 2015

Keep2D said:
I can't find the change on Mr. Game & Watch's decreased landing lag on Bair, could you show where it is if I missed it or show evidence?

Please reply to this promptly. We are very interested to see if the claim some people have been making in this thread is merited.

FallofBrawl · Jun 18, 2015

Keep2D said:
I can't find the change on Mr. Game & Watch's decreased landing lag on Bair, could you show where it is if I missed it or show evidence?

SeanS said:
Please reply to this promptly. We are very interested to see if the claim some people have been making in this thread is merited.

The data does not include landing lag, read the beginning portion.
Also very interested to see the changes made to Mewtwo

Zapp Branniglenn · Jun 18, 2015

Keep2D said:
I can't find the change on Mr. Game & Watch's decreased landing lag on Bair, could you show where it is if I missed it or show evidence?

SeanS said:
Please reply to this promptly. We are very interested to see if the claim some people have been making in this thread is merited.

It's my claim, and no, I don't have the video evidence. I've been checking for differences in lag and landing lag on moves with pre-patch and post-patch versions of the game side by side. You see, that information is not included in the data dump others are sifting through. If you like, I can send you 1.07 footage of G&W's Bair landing lag for comparison purposes. Otherwise, you can trust my word. My testing method is clean and I've been looking at frame data for Smash games since Melee.

~~But I can't read Hexidecimal...~~

Keep2D · Jun 18, 2015

Zapp Branniglenn said:
It's my claim, and no, I don't have the video evidence. I've been checking for differences in lag and landing lag on moves with pre-patch and post-patch versions of the game side by side. You see, that information is not included in the data dump others are sifting through. If you like, I can send you 1.07 footage of G&W's Bair landing lag for comparison purposes. Otherwise, you can trust my word. My testing method is clean and I've been looking at frame data for Smash games since Melee.

I definitely don't doubt you, I've also felt the difference in landing lag on G&W's Bair, despite dismissing it for a placebo, I'm just trying to get some evidence on it, since it's a bit of a close change.
Thank you for your added input btw!

Disfunkshunal · Jun 18, 2015

Can someone explain to me what this means?

Toon Link
---------
Jab1
hitbox 0 and 2 IDs swapped
Jab2
hitbox 0 and 2 IDs swapped

Thinkaman · Jun 18, 2015

Disfunkshunal said:
Can someone explain to me what this means?

In practical terms, it generally means that the devs have investigated the way the hitboxes on the move are structured and tweaked them so they hid in a more intended way.

In mechanical terms, it dictates which of the two hitboxes will take effect in the region they overlap.

SeanS · Jun 18, 2015

Zapp Branniglenn said:
It's my claim, and no, I don't have the video evidence. I've been checking for differences in lag and landing lag on moves with pre-patch and post-patch versions of the game side by side. You see, that information is not included in the data dump others are sifting through. If you like, I can send you 1.07 footage of G&W's Bair landing lag for comparison purposes. Otherwise, you can trust my word. My testing method is clean and I've been looking at frame data for Smash games since Melee.

~~But I can't read Hexidecimal...~~

A comparison video would be great. Thanks in advance!

Zapp Branniglenn · Jun 18, 2015

Keep2D said:
I definitely don't doubt you, I've also felt the difference in landing lag on G&W's Bair, despite dismissing it for a placebo, I'm just trying to get some evidence on it, since it's a bit of a close change.

It is close, my best estimate is a 3 frame reduction by just eyeballing it. If you give me a couple hours, I can get footage from my camcorder of my two versions of the game side-by side as I bair on each of them synchronously. Not the highest quality solution, but it will be the quickest means of communicating the change. Just need a second set of hands...

LordWilliam1234 · Jun 18, 2015

Double checked Mewtwo's frame data. I only found one change frame-wise.

N-air landing lag reduced: 19 -> 16

9Tales · Jun 18, 2015

Does the nerf to Rosalina's jab finisher kbg apply only to Rosalina or was Luma's jab affected too?

Mikarugi · Jun 18, 2015

LordWilliam1234 said:
Double checked Mewtwo's frame data. I only found one change frame-wise.

N-air landing lag reduced: 19 -> 16

really? Because that's pretty big if true.

Mewtwo's main problem is still his weight but this is nice...

Schiffe · Jun 18, 2015

9Tales said:
Does the nerf to Rosalina's jab finisher kbg apply only to Rosalina or was Luma's jab affected too?

Going to make a judgement call here.

Luma's jab doesn't have the "Magic" element, so it has to be Rosalina's jab. The "Magic" element can be noticed in the game as a move that produces a Psychic-like noise (example: Ness's Forward Air).

I tested in Training mode, Rosalina's jab produces this "magic" effect.

Attila_ · Jun 18, 2015

Can someone quantify the changes to falco's jab? I don't quite understand.

9Tales · Jun 18, 2015

Schiffe said:
Going to make a judgement call here.

Luma's jab doesn't have the "Magic" element, so it has to be Rosalina's jab. The "Magic" element can be noticed in the game as a move that produces a Psychic-like noise (example: Ness's Forward Air).

I tested in Training mode, Rosalina's jab produces this "magic" effect.

If this is the case I don't believe this change effects Rosalina in a very major way. Luma's jab is the one you're using to KO if you're actually being safe and it has less kbg to begin with iirc. It's just a nerf to SoRo and not one that effects her ability to stall for Luma.

Firefoxx · Jun 18, 2015

9Tales said:
If this is the case I don't believe this change effects Rosalina in a very major way. Luma's jab is the one you're using to KO if you're actually being safe and it has less kbg to begin with iirc. It's just a nerf to SoRo and not one that effects her ability to stall for Luma.

To be fair, (on 1.04) Luma's repeating jab KO'd almost 100% later than Rosa's did. (289% vs 194%) Its pretty significant

Zaboutine · Jun 18, 2015

Hello guys, what is bkg exactly ?

Schiffe · Jun 18, 2015

Zaboutine said:
Hello guys, what is bkg exactly ?

"KBG" = Knockback Growth
"BKB" = Base Knockback (iirc)

Thinkaman · Jun 18, 2015

Zaboutine said:
Hello guys, what is bkg exactly ?

Base knockback-- the knockback a hitbox does regardless of damage or any other factors besides rage.

Zaboutine · Jun 18, 2015

Thanks, just playing the game since ever but eventually have to go to smashboards and analyse raw data because Nintendo can't afford a patch note.

Thanks dudes for the astonishing work, following the thread since the very beginning.

Zapp Branniglenn · Jun 18, 2015

Keep2D said:
I definitely don't doubt you, I've also felt the difference in landing lag on G&W's Bair, despite dismissing it for a placebo, I'm just trying to get some evidence on it, since it's a bit of a close change.
Thank you for your added input btw!

Here you are. This should suffice as video evidence for G&W's Bair landing lag reduction. The Shield represents when he can act after his landing of the move. The gamepad is pre-patch while the 3DS is post-patch. You are also free to use this video in your thread dedicated to G&W's changes.

LancerStaff · Jun 18, 2015

Zaboutine said:
Thanks, just playing the game since ever but eventually have to go to smashboards and analyse raw data because Nintendo can't afford a patch note.

Thanks dudes for the astonishing work, following the thread since the very beginning.

It's actually so casuals won't complain about the patch like every other game ever, but eh.

A_Kae · Jun 18, 2015

b2jammer said:
Why this hit lag has a decimal value, I'm not sure. Could be a typo or something I don't know about, probably the latter.

Hitlag is a decimal value because it's a modifier in a formula rather than a simple integer. The formula is: ((d/2.6)+5)*h. 'd' is the damage that a move does, h is the modifier that these changes mention. So for Marth's Dolphin Slash and Crescent Slash, the hitlag for the moves has been increased. Dolphin Slash now has 6 frames of hitlag, increased from 4. Crescent Slash now has 5 frames of hitlag, increased from 3.

Edit: I got the hitlag formula from here: http://sixriver.web.fc2.com/ssb4/Guard_Hitstop.htm. It might not be totally accurate, but it does seem to match the real hitlag values.

Exceladon City · Jun 18, 2015

any word on Shulk and Dedede?

Keep2D · Jun 18, 2015

Zapp Branniglenn said:
Here you are. This should suffice as video evidence for G&W's Bair landing lag reduction. The Shield represents when he can act after his landing of the move. The gamepad is pre-patch while the 3DS is post-patch. You are also free to use this video in your thread dedicated to G&W's changes.

Thank you very much!

Big O · Jun 18, 2015

I've been hearing that shields regenerate slower than they used to. Can someone quickly confirm/deconfirm this claim?

RonNewcomb · Jun 18, 2015

Sneaky boy Nick said:
What's the significance of the numbers 63 and 15?

The only thing I can think of is as bitmasks. Written in binary, they are 01111111 and 00001111 respectively.

SeanS · Jun 18, 2015

Zapp Branniglenn said:
Here you are. This should suffice as video evidence for G&W's Bair landing lag reduction. The Shield represents when he can act after his landing of the move. The gamepad is pre-patch while the 3DS is post-patch. You are also free to use this video in your thread dedicated to G&W's changes.

Thank you so much for this. We are very pleased to learn of this change, and your help means a lot - barely anyone looks out for us G&W players.

ArtfulHobbes · Jun 18, 2015

Big O said:
I've been hearing that shields regenerate slower than they used to. Can someone quickly confirm/deconfirm this claim?

Quickly checked this out, and there is no change to degeneration or regeneration.

lijero13ss · Jun 18, 2015

Keep2D said:
Thank you very much!

dead character

Schiffe · Jun 18, 2015

Exceladon City said:
any word on Shulk and Dedede?

No moveset changes whatsoever as far as I know.

Mario & Sonic Guy · Jun 18, 2015

A user has been claiming that Rosalina's f-smash has a sweetspot. Last I've checked, it deals up to 12% damage uncharged, and it deals up to 16% damage when fully charged. No sign of any sour hitboxes at all, though the following image is quite a curious one.

Firefoxx · Jun 18, 2015

ArtfulHobbes said:
Quickly checked this out, and there is no change to degeneration or regeneration.

almost had myself convinced there was a difference, but I can second that there is no change

Mario & Sonic Guy said:
A user has been claiming that Rosalina's f-smash has a sweetspot. Last I've checked, it deals up to 12% damage uncharged, and it deals up to 16% damage when fully charged. No sign of any sour hitboxes at all, though the following image is quite a curious one.

Jump Monado increases damage taken by Shulk

Zapp Branniglenn · Jun 18, 2015

Villager's Grab has an improved IASA frame. Not much, two frames if not one. Can also confirm that his Dthrow can be acted out of faster as well. Guess this and the damage buff on Dthrow are incentive for more grabbing from Villagers.

Now that I've finished looking at Falcon, let me iterate one last time that his Dthrow does not have increased lag.

SeanS said:
Thank you so much for this. We are very pleased to learn of this change, and your help means a lot - barely anyone looks out for us G&W players.

Keep2D said:
Thank you very much!

No Problem. Thanks for waiting. Had to ask my dear mother to film it.

~~...she was the only other person around!~~

Kofu · Jun 18, 2015

Zapp Branniglenn said:
Here you are. This should suffice as video evidence for G&W's Bair landing lag reduction. The Shield represents when he can act after his landing of the move. The gamepad is pre-patch while the 3DS is post-patch. You are also free to use this video in your thread dedicated to G&W's changes.

None of his other aerials were touched then? BAir still has a ton of lag but it's slightly better at least.

Mario & Sonic Guy · Jun 18, 2015

Firefoxx said:
Jump Monado increases damage taken by Shulk

I thought as much. Thanks for answering.

Thinkaman · Jun 19, 2015

I extracted a mewtwo file to compare to. He had a single change to the first hitbox of usmash. *shrug*

Code:

Usmash
    initial hitbox
        angle 95 -> 100
        size 6.2 -> 3.0
        x 0.0 -> -6.0

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