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It's funny that you think you understand Sakurai better than everyone else here.
LordWilliam1234
, did you get request for Ike's changes yet? I'd like checks and although the Ike users have checked, another look wouldn't hurt. I ask because the data dump for Ike for patch 1.0.4 was a pain since jab 3, Ftilt?, and Fair had frame speed multipliers which ended up with decimals like Fair was frame 12.5 or 13 practically and Thinkaman's data dump said it was 2 frames faster which would mean frame 10.5 or 11 in practically. I left the decimals in my spreadsheet, but rounded them up for regular viewing in my frame data thread. That and Thinkaman's data dump was usually 1 frame different than the Ike users' testing. Thanks if you can.
http://kuroganehammer.com/Smash4/Ike@
Also this was another reason: that patch might have made Ike's Nair not as useful now... Fair used to hit at frame 13, but it hits at like 11 while Nair hits at 12. The only thing Nair has over Fair now is coverage from behind while Fair hits more like a half circle from Ike's head to feet. Yeah... Well, at least it could be used for mixups since they look similar... sort of.
Another thing: having not played in a while, so it's probably a placebo, but seeing lasers thrown out more liberally makes me think Falco's Blaster end lag was slightly reduced. Since I can't test this, I won't know, but the fact Marth and Lucina's changes to Dancing Blade or was it jab and Utilt? happened with patch 1.0.4 or 1.0.6, but nobody noticed until later makes me believe in a chance there was a subtle change.
Well, that solves one problem, Ike's Nair should be frame 10 now... Yes, yes, it lingers and covers Ike better, but Fair... Other problem would be Falco's Blaster end lag which was based off of the sixriver data i.e. nobody actually tested it elsewhere or has a counter proof to it. Don't want Falco's Dair having 26 frames of landing lag or the missed Marth/Lucina changes again.
What was the missed change to Marth? I don't remember there being one?
Either FAF changes to Dancing Blade or his tilts and jab that was brushed off until Shaya said it was wrong and there were indeed changes. That said, Marth's FAF to jab was changed again in this patch and it might have reverted it back to pre-patch because of the new angle.
Oh, I thought you were talking about a change being missed until after another patch. I remember the FAF reductions on a couple moves being missed for a while.
I'm saying it would be better for Nair to be frame 10 instead of 12. Fair killing, covering similarly, be able to combo, and doing more damage kind of overrides Nair's advantage of coverage from behind and lingering frames if both are frame 12. Sure, great mixup since they're similar looking moves, but still... Oh well.
I know that; I'm just worried that something could happen where a move becomes so good, it overshadows everything like Diddy's Uair did. Now, Diddy players use everything which is good not because of good design, but for viewers and players who don't have to live by one move as others are good as well. Now, of only Zelda had more usable moves...
These changes were in patch 1.0.6.
I see. Nevermind it then.
Shaya
This was added in the 2008 patch.Okay , so ... I don´t know if this is known or was before but now I was messing a little with Lucas, and thing is that. Lucas and Ness can cancel the Magnet animation when you are absorbing a proyectile pressing backwards(he is going to roll). I don´t know if Ness had that before the patch or not. I don´t have a way to upload the video but you can test this in 2 minutes. @
Falco's blaster remains unchanged.
It doesn't. The characters who could cancel side B animations via sliding off a ledge can no longer do so.
Besides Pit, Dark Pit, and Dorf I believe?
Pit and edgy for sure still have multiple techs to cancel lag off their Fspecials.
Well, the 1.0.8 data dump a while back has the only change for rosalina being this:
Right, those side B moves have programmed fall states. The deal with Bowser, Ness, Samus, and Mii Gunner last patch was that they would cancel their moves entirely and go into an instant neutral fall off the ledge with no lag of any kind. It made for a second ledge trump method for Ness and Gunner. Samus and Bowser could also use it as a second ledge trump method, but because they were so tall, they have to fall further than the others to grab the ledge, making it a slower method in their case.Besides Pit, Dark Pit, and Dorf I believe?
Shaya
don't forget to add the frame counted differences on moves from page 32.
Broken link. Take out the "?#/" and it'll work.
This isn't new. If Villager isn't actively holding the Bonus Fruit, Pac-Man has always been able to pull out another, even if it was Pocketed. Not sure why it behaves this way though.
Thinkaman
et al. have put forth and the update that sixriver (does he have a smashboards contact?) has made to his data set here [reference]. I have gone through and parsed the differences, and it looks like most of them are one frame off, if they exist at all (for example, for all the small differences for Marth/Lucina, both references agree on all changes).
Ike
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Meta Knight
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Charizard
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Bowser
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Villager
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Falco
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Donkey Kong
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Diddy Kong
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Link
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Samus
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LordWilliam1234
and saviour (plus others too but him primarily) is what we're getting values on.
Ah, that's good to know. I really wish I knew how Sixriver was getting that data... especially if it's directly off the game somehow. I also want to know if the "end" number he posts is the end of the animation or the IASA (FAF). Ha, even with all that parsing I did, I managed not to notice differential going both ways. Suck.Ending frames have not been related to Thinkaman's data much (if at all). Our @
Confusion between Ending frame or this FAF/IASA +1 stuff, also shield animation woes is possible...
It's aggravating that values differences are going both ways. #_#
Interesting
