Welcome to Smashboards, the world's largest Super Smash Brothers community! Over 250,000 Smash Bros. fans from around the world have come to discuss these great games in over 19 million posts!
You are currently viewing our boards as a visitor. Click here to sign up right now and start on your path in the Smash community!
37% with freshness bonus would do 38%, so that's probably it.
How exactly is it different? Is there change to the multipliers?
Yes, there are changes to the values of the multipliers.
Do you know the precise numbers for staling?
I don't know what the exact values are, but it seemed that the total values of the multipliers in Smash 4 are between Melee and Brawl's values.
Updated and tried Pac Man glitch. Haven't been able to get it to activate. I would wait for others to try though, because I don't trust my execution
Just checked the glitch, it still works. What has the update changed?
The door is to your left.
Maybe they will do to Sheik what they did to characters that were heavily nerfed! But maybe I won't be such a scrub!
Sheik and Rosaluma are the only ones causing much stir at this point, if I'm not mistaking.
Because you know all those Rosalina and Luma mains we see place high at most tournaments, she is certainly a problem
For the most part, we usually saw Diddy. But that problem is gone now.Because you know all those Rosalina and Luma mains we see place high at most tournaments, she is certainly a problem
I think USUALLY is a huge understatement, here take a look at this http://smashboards.com/threads/usage-based-tier-considerations.396301/
Yeah, I'm really happy with what the team is going for. I think Smash 4 will be just fine by the time the patches stop.
I don't hate diddy kong, he's so much fun to watch now! I also agree with the fact the game has gotten better with patches, at first glances some of the nerfs seemed unreasonable but everything has turned out for the better (or so it would seem)
sixriver records data using a 60fps capture card. Theirs is right, thinkaman's are just guesses.Hey all!
As a foreword, this isn't a call out to anyone as being right or wrong, this is simply the result of some data mining.
That said, I have noticed some differences between the update that @Thinkaman et al. have put forth and the update that sixriver (does he have a smashboards contact?) has made to his data set here [reference]. I have gone through and parsed the differences, and it looks like most of them are one frame off, if they exist at all (for example, for all the small differences for Marth/Lucina, both references agree on all changes).
As far as I know, there isn't a dump of Thinkaman's data yet so I don't know if these are weird subtraction errors or something to that effect. I just thought it would be pertinent to assess these differences and figure out what's going on here. I don't have a contact for sixriver, and even if I did I don't speak or read much Japanese... so I'm posting here.
If anything, it's interesting because sixriver put some numbers to the Donkey Kong cargo throw end frames and Meta Knight's nair landing lag. Maybe the front page isn't up to date, maybe the Thinkaman data set just doesn't have these, if I'm missing some of those numbers it's because they aren't on the front page and this thread is quite long (though I've read most of it).
Anyways, I just figured that if I can't help parse IASA type data along with the team here, I can do what I have been doing and mine data. So, here you all go! Enjoy!
Character | Move Description | Sixriver Update | Thinkaman et al. Update
Ike |
|
- fair startup
- nair landing lag
|
- 13
- 14
- 12
- 13
|
- ftilt end frames
- nair landing lag
|
- 25/27/30
- 16
- 25/27/31
- reduced landing lag
|
- dthrow landing lag
|
- 73
- 72
|
- utilt end frame
|
- 40
- 41
|
- pivot grab end frame
|
- 65
- 64
|
- fair end frame
- side b startup
- 2nd hit usmash
|
- 49
- 18 (no change noted)
- 13-20
- 50
- 19
- 12-21
|
- forward cargo throw end frame
- back cargo throw end frame
- up cargo throw end frame
- down cargo throw frame
|
- 45
- 42
- 17
- 44
- reduced end frame
- reduced end frame
- reduced end frame
- reduced end frame
|
- uair landing lag window
|
- 1-26
- 1-27
|
- fthrow end frame
|
- 35
- 34
|
- pivot grab end frame
|
- 89
- 88
Also, I now deeply despise making tables on this website. Just saying.
I believe the code of the game was tweaked slightly.
A single file was added. I hope someone finds out what it is/does.
No files were added. 'cross_f.rpx' was modified, RPX files are the executables for wii u games.
Sorry about that then.
Luigi and Pikachu are definitely becoming a problem too. Ness will be soon if they don't nerf him.
What about Yoshi..? -~-
oh yeah. I forgot about that bastar- ..guy.
