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Yea, that's what he means.
Wait his magnet used to be frame 3 in 2.5? I was under the impression it was active on frame 5 according to the hitboxes thread. So he has a frame 2 magnet now?Okay, I just wanted to make sure you were talking about wavebouncing/b-reversing and not just turning around.
I personally take a 33% faster magnet over a cool-but-situational momentum trick. I agree that it could be useful after people mastered it, but in my view a jump from a frame 3 Magnet to a frame 2 Magnet is more beneficial in the long run for Lucas.
Jab1
Startup decreased by 2 frames
Inner and Outer hitbox both now send at the same angle
Transitions to Jab 2 sooner
Knockback and angles slightly reworked
Endlag is the same
Jab2
Jab 2 now goes straight into 2.5's 3rd and final hit. The 2nd hit from 2.5 is gone.
About 7 frames more endlag
Utilt
Hitboxes slightly reworked
Strong hit decreased from 11 to 10 damage
Stronger hit is now at the start, not the end
Weak hitboxes last 4 frames (was 2)
Usmash
Knockback scales with damage at a 5% lower rate
NAIR
Repeating Hitboxes completely reworked, including both placement, coverage, and direction
Final hit not sends at a 5 degree more vertical angle
Animation adjustments, may affect endlag
FAIR
Early sweetspot increased in damage by 1% to 13.
Same sweetspot recieves hefty 16% KB growth increase
BAIR
Completely new move
Slightly faster startup (was 12, now 11)
Compared to 2.5 bair, the 2.6 intial hit is 1% weaker, does 15-20 less knockback, 6% more KB growth, and has a Sakurai angle rather than 2.5's very low 38 degree angle
Recieves a true spike at the end (frame 13)
Ends much earlier
UAIR
Sweetspot removed
DAIR
Completely new move
All hits do 5 damage. Hits 3 times for a total of 15. 2.5 Dair's sweetspot was only 13%
Comparing 2.5 dair to 2.6 final hit:
very similar angle, and large knockback increases on the final hit that compensate it only doing 5% damage.
Stand Grab
Grab reaches full range sooner
DASHGRAB
No change
TURNGRAB
Starts up 1 frame faster
Throws did not change
Side-B Ground
Ends 15 frames sooner
Side-B Air
Autocancel removed? Or at least the way it was coded in 2.5 was removed.
Obviously a lot more "background" changes that are hard to understand without programming expertise.
Up-B
10% less knockback growth on initial hit, doubled KB growth on repeating hits behind lucas
repeating hits do 2 damage instead of 3
Down-B Hold
Down-B starts one frame faster (loses b-reverse ability)
Aerial Down-b Is no longer exactly like the grounded version: now appears to have a alternative hitboxes depending on if an opponent is grounded or airborne.
Received a 2nd hitbox (identical to the first) "inside" Lucas (it now covers the same range as the release hitboxes).
My vote's for the faster magnet.
To be fair, it sounds like you weren't aware of the 2.5 b-reverse or that it had uses, seeing that you confused it with a different tech. Therefore its not surprising to me that you would think that it is less useful than the speed increase.
You would need to input the reverse within the first 4 frames. If you did that in 2.5 then on the 5th frame he would be turned around and have reversed momentum.
Yeah, I figured it was the long foxtrot distance that took it away from him.
I mean yeah, I knew that. I guess my real question is why doesn't Lucas's moonwalk do anything at all haha. Which is more of a rhetorical question, because I know the technical reason. I just kinda wish Lucas had a moonwalk.
. Eh oh well
Thank you very much.
