Browny
Smash Hater
idk bout you guys, but i do it solely for the utaunt
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yeah its perfect for my "ITS OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!!!" taunt LOLidk bout you guys, but i do it solely for the utaunt
Ditto. Quoted for truth.I've played Smash Bros since the 64 version first came out, and I can say with certainty that I've never felt so attached to my main as I have with Lucario.
I don't know about you, but do they hold blind pick tourneys there? That would help Ness/Lucas out a bit. Also, I think that many also play Lucario because he's fun (he has an exhilarating playstyle), and for some, he fits like a glove.I'd love to say that I'm a Lucario loyal and play him solely because I enjoy it, but if that were the case then I would still be maining Ness and Lucas.
Lucario went from being my secondary to my main because he didn't suffer like those two do at the hands of counter-picks who can chain grab them.
It's all very well and good to say you play a character solely because you enjoy them, but their bearings on the tier list should also be important. If everybody just played the most fun character or the one they liked the most in fighting games, then everyone would be playing joke characters like Neko Arc, Roll and Pichu.
We main Lucario not just becasue we like him, but because he's versatile and powerful.
This is true. I mean, everyone has their own opinon I suppose. I personally think ^this^ as well. However, there probably are some, as you saw with what Samuelson said, that think differently. Do it solely for the reason that it is fun to have aura. And a tight u-taunt. And...lol the list goes on why it is fun to play Lucario. But I agree with you that some of us don't main him only because he's fun.I'd love to say that I'm a Lucario loyal and play him solely because I enjoy it, but if that were the case then I would still be maining Ness and Lucas.
Lucario went from being my secondary to my main because he didn't suffer like those two do at the hands of counter-picks who can chain grab them.
It's all very well and good to say you play a character solely because you enjoy them, but their bearings on the tier list should also be important. If everybody just played the most fun character or the one they liked the most in fighting games, then everyone would be playing joke characters like Neko Arc, Roll and Pichu.
We main Lucario not just becasue we like him, but because he's versatile and powerful.
QFT. That's really cool to think about.I've played Smash Bros since the 64 version first came out, and I can say with certainty that I've never felt so attached to my main as I have with Lucario.
See, this brings up a good point though. Was marth more fun for you because he was better than bowser?I'm about as attached to Lucario in this game as I was to Marth in Melee.
I played Bowser a lot in Melee, but that's because he was fun. I sometimes even picked him in tourney, and every once in a while I beat someone with him. BAM. But Marth was more fun.
Hey, Nessbounder, I'm not sure if that's exactly why everyone who mains Lucario mains him, but I for one actually do this. I don't necessarily like Lucario as a character (I'm pretty indifferent. He's not my favorite Pokemon by a long shot, but it's not like I dislike him. He's just a regular Pokemon to me.) I play him because of his powers, abilities, and movesets in Brawl. I like controlling Lucario as a character, but if it was anyone else with his moveset&stats, I'd be using them, instead. <<It's all very well and good to say you play a character solely because you enjoy them, but their bearings on the tier list should also be important. If everybody just played the most fun character or the one they liked the most in fighting games, then everyone would be playing joke characters like Neko Arc, Roll and Pichu.
We main Lucario not just becasue we like him, but because he's versatile and powerful.
Bleh, I agree with you on there to a point, but why punish everyone for a single character? Why punish the Fox players who love playing on GHZ just because DDD can chaingrab a few folks who decide not to go MK on DDDs who think GHZ will make it an easy win?Hmmm...well, I guess you could argue that. To an extent. However, I still don't see why make those stages legal. It's not hard to CG. At all. And similarly, if you try to beat out your opponent by simply edge camping on the walk-off blast-zones, that's really just another form of auto-win. I see no point in having stages that require no skill whatsoever to win on legal. Dumb. There are plenty of other stages to camp on without the same effect occurring(such as Green Greens), but stages like those(GHZ, Mario Circuit, Pipes...) are just lose. If you approach, get grabbed and die instantly. LOSE. It's a lose:lose situation.
I'm sorry, is Stage-striking that thing where people say what stages they want to KEEP instead of which ones they want to ban? I have no experience with that system, I'm sorry, so I can't argue anything against it. <<Nah, I've been to plenty of tournaments before, and I've placed in the top ten in all of them(including those for Melee). Went to CO for some stuff, plus one of the best MK's in the nation lives here. It's just that there is no longer "random." Rather, it's now called Stage-Striking. That's what I was referring to, sorry if I confused you there! It's a pointless system, really. If you're going to use it, then why only have some of the stages neutral? Just make 'em all neutral. If you random it up, then stage-striking(dumbest rule in existence) does not occur and I'm ok. But if you do random...there shouldn't be that many stages to be considered "neutral," especially not Halberd.
How do you die at 20-50%? It doesn't make sense what you're saying. Is he doing the Uair-Tornado chain? You can get gimped by MK anywhere.Nope. I've played DSF before(actually almost beat him once or twice in tourney, but I suicided twice in the same match...hey, I was nervous!!), and you know what? You die from anywhere between 20-50% on Halberd. It's not neutral, I don't care what you or any one else say. Play a really good MK who knows how to gimp you with the up-b. It's garbage. MK's already hard enough to beat, but this...this just goes too far. This stage should never be neutral.
That shouldn't work at all. Anyone should be able to walk out there and smack 'em. Even if they fly out, you should just be able to leap out there with an aerial and be fine. <<Mmmm...not necessarily. See, MK and Jiggs and Pit and such can just fly underneath the stage. Loop is therefore created. Go back and forth, trick your opponent, whatever. You're not gonna get hit. It takes no skill to win on. If the lava rises, then fly away for a bit by grabbing the ledges over and over again, abusing your invincibility frames. You still don't get hit. Do that the whole match, fly underneath the stage and back the whole match, or do both. Insta-win.
It's not that simple. <<Agreed. But that's rather ostentatious, don't you think? That is merely assuming that you will ALWAYS be better than the D3. Untrue. They know how to win, and they will do whatever it takes to get that grab off. Besides, if they don't CG you, they'll just bthrow you to your doom. Same effect is achieved, right? You die via gayness. Meh...if you keep that one CP, I suppose I wouldn't mind. But the other ones I really don't agree with. Especially GHZ(WTF?!?).
Because 0-death is gay. I do it, and I know that alot of people would do it.Bleh, I agree with you on there to a point, but why punish everyone for a single character? Why punish the Fox players who love playing on GHZ just because DDD can chaingrab a few folks who decide not to go MK on DDDs who think GHZ will make it an easy win?
Pirate ship and Pipes are better MK counterpicks. You think that chaingrabbing is super easy to avoid? Wow. I wish I was as good as you, or lived in an area with as bad as chaingrabbers as you....Okay, I'm fighting a losing battle for GHZ and Mario Kart, I'll admit it. I have no clue why they're allowed. Pipes though is okay, as it is pretty much one of the extremely rare MK counterpicks, and it is a very fun stage to play on, as well as having it be relatively easy to avoid the chaingrab by playing smart.
Stage striking is this. You have an ODD number of stages in the neutral category(however alot of places will mix 4 counterpicks into it, which is actually kinda fun.) So you declare stage bans first, then each player strikes a stage one by one, til there is only one stage left.I'm sorry, is Stage-striking that thing where people say what stages they want to KEEP instead of which ones they want to ban? I have no experience with that system, I'm sorry, so I can't argue anything against it. <<
Dur.Stages are neutral because they are selected via random at the tournaments I go to for the first round. Imagine how sad it would be for a poor Olimar user to get stuck on Rainbow Cruise in the first round? Instead, by using the "neutral" stages, players can fight on even playing fields for the first match to decide who gets first counterpick.
Mk is the easiest character to gimp anyone with, it only takes 1 dair to gimp someone, dair to footstool, to ledgehog = dead.How do you die at 20-50%? It doesn't make sense what you're saying. Is he doing the Uair-Tornado chain? You can get gimped by MK anywhere.
Have fun approaching metaknight, its a bad idea to approach him on any other stage anyways, so why not try to approach him where his upb cancels out everywhere.That shouldn't work at all. Anyone should be able to walk out there and smack 'em. Even if they fly out, you should just be able to leap out there with an aerial and be fine. <<
Yes it is.It's not that simple. <<
Let's ban DDD altogether. That would solve everyone's problems, and DK and Mario and Bowser could thrive again! :OOOOBecause 0-death is gay. I do it, and I know that alot of people would do it.
I was talking about Pipes, which doesn't allow chaingrabs past the yellow blocks.Pirate ship and Pipes are better MK counterpicks. You think that chaingrabbing is super easy to avoid? Wow. I wish I was as good as you, or lived in an area with as bad as chaingrabbers as you.
"Striking" stages is saying which one they don't wish to play on until they basically mutually agree on a stage? Strange system. Random seems easier. o,OStage striking is this. You have an ODD number of stages in the neutral category(however alot of places will mix 4 counterpicks into it, which is actually kinda fun.) So you declare stage bans first, then each player strikes a stage one by one, til there is only one stage left.
MK can do this anywhere. He said that MK kills anyone at 20-50% with Shuttle Loop, implying that Shuttle Loop outright kills anyone at those %'s, which is BS. It sets up a gimp, which MK can do anywhere, not just on Halberd.Mk is the easiest character to gimp anyone with, it only takes 1 dair to gimp someone, dair to footstool, to ledgehog = dead.
Then throw out a few Aura Spheres to get him to cut it out.Have fun approaching metaknight, its a bad idea to approach him on any other stage anyways, so why not try to approach him where his upb cancels out everywhere.
No, it isn't.Yes it is.
response one, nope. They already do fine,Let's ban DDD altogether. That would solve everyone's problems, and DK and Mario and Bowser could thrive again! :OOOO
I was talking about Pipes, which doesn't allow chaingrabs past the yellow blocks.
"Striking" stages is saying which one they don't wish to play on until they basically mutually agree on a stage? Strange system. Random seems easier. o,O
MK can do this anywhere. He said that MK kills anyone at 20-50% with Shuttle Loop, implying that Shuttle Loop outright kills anyone at those %'s, which is BS. It sets up a gimp, which MK can do anywhere, not just on Halberd
Then throw out a few Aura Spheres to get him to cut it out.
No, it isn't.
Ok. Sounds like a good reason to play someone to me :D.Nah, Trapt. I just loved Marth's playstyle. Trust me, if I liked Bowser more, I woulda stuck to him like Arash did. I just liked Marth more, he was more fun. I can see where you're coming from though. It's like Shiek: Shiek was good, and most people picked her up and were automatically good with her. NOT ME. I HATED Shiek, I could not stand her at all. Playing Shiek in the last game was terrible for me. She may have been higher on the tier list than almost everybody, but I absolutely despised her playstyle. I really, really hated playing as Shiek. I liked fighting them though. It don't matter how good someone is, I only play them if I like them.
Hmmmm...and thus, the logical fallacy of circular reasoning occurs. I don't think there's a winning side to this argument. However, my point still stands that it's far easier in this game to CG than in Melee, so ANYONE could pick D3 and CG to win, even if they don't play him. Just play him enough to learn how to get a grab off and you're set for stages like that.Bleh, I agree with you on there to a point, but why punish everyone for a single character? Why punish the Fox players who love playing on GHZ just because DDD can chaingrab a few folks who decide not to go MK on DDDs who think GHZ will make it an easy win?
Pipes is cool. But those other two? Garbage....Okay, I'm fighting a losing battle for GHZ and Mario Kart, I'll admit it. I have no clue why they're allowed. Pipes though is okay, as it is pretty much one of the extremely rare MK counterpicks, and it is a very fun stage to play on, as well as having it be relatively easy to avoid the chaingrab by playing smart.
Yea, it's weird. I think it's just a waste of time. Just do random and fight already.I'm sorry, is Stage-striking that thing where people say what stages they want to KEEP instead of which ones they want to ban? I have no experience with that system, I'm sorry, so I can't argue anything against it. <<
Trust me, I know all the tournament rules dude. I was up there with Forward, El Lovo and FastLikeTree in Melee. FLT and Forward were still quite a bit better than me, but I could hold my own.Stages are neutral because they are selected via random at the tournaments I go to for the first round. Imagine how sad it would be for a poor Olimar user to get stuck on Rainbow Cruise in the first round? Instead, by using the "neutral" stages, players can fight on even playing fields for the first match to decide who gets first counterpick.
I say you die so early on that stage compared to other neutral stages because there's only one little platform and then blast-zones are all rather small. Stages like FD and Yoshi's Island he actually has to jump off the stage to kill you with it. However, on Halberd, he merely has to hit you with Shuttle Loop when you're near the edge and you'll die. You won't make it back, as ES is not an attack.How do you die at 20-50%? It doesn't make sense what you're saying. Is he doing the Uair-Tornado chain? You can get gimped by MK anywhere.
It's not that simple. Abuse invincibility from the ledges and you won't get hit at all, remember. Very few places on that stage actually negate the camping and stalling. When the lava rises and when it comes from the side it does, but the wave and spray? Big deal.That shouldn't work at all. Anyone should be able to walk out there and smack 'em. Even if they fly out, you should just be able to leap out there with an aerial and be fine. <<
Mmmm...not what I was implying. The Shuttle Loop IS a gimp. It's like Fox's shine in Melee, which could kill people at any percentage. It has a set knockback at certain areas of the attack independent of character weight(I think so. Not 100% positive, but I'm pretty sure) and you can't do anything about it. On Halberd it's just a million times more effective than on other stages, as explained somewhere earlier.MK can do this anywhere. He said that MK kills anyone at 20-50% with Shuttle Loop, implying that Shuttle Loop outright kills anyone at those %'s, which is BS. It sets up a gimp, which MK can do anywhere, not just on Halberd
Then throw out a few Aura Spheres to get him to cut it out.
Same here.if Lucario was bottom and the worst character in the game, i would still main him...
...amd give sakurai some serious hate mail =/
If you two don't mind, I'd like to step in with my opinons and talk with you guys for a little because you are posting a lot of information.Hmmmm...and thus, the logical fallacy of circular reasoning occurs. I don't think there's a winning side to this argument. However, my point still stands that it's far easier in this game to CG than in Melee, so ANYONE could pick D3 and CG to win, even if they don't play him. Just play him enough to learn how to get a grab off and you're set for stages like that.
I hate pipes soo freakin much...I don't know why its just one of my least favorite stages to play on. The only thing thats semi-good about it is the walk-off edge is a steep hill...and yet, its still a stupid walk-off. Why the heck was it brought back...lol.Pipes is cool. But those other two? Garbage.
Wierd or not, I can't think of a more fair system to use in tournaments. It's simple logic: each player does away with the stages they like the least in that particular matchup, leaving you with one stage that is the fairest possible stage for it. I would so much rather spend that little extra time to play on a fair stage instead of picking random and getting a stage that gives your opponent advantages. Wouldn't you?Yea, it's weird. I think it's just a waste of time. Just do random and fight already.
Agreed. I wouldn't say you'd die instantly though, especially at lower percents...it takes him a while to get back on his feet after shuttle looping. Besides, its not like the shuttle loop hits you down. Avoiding a gimp while recovering from the side is MUCH easier than avoiding one while recovering up.I say you die so early on that stage compared to other neutral stages because there's only one little platform and then blast-zones are all rather small. Stages like FD and Yoshi's Island he actually has to jump off the stage to kill you with it. However, on Halberd, he merely has to hit you with Shuttle Loop when you're near the edge and you'll die. You won't make it back, as ES is not an attack.
Response to paragraph one. It doesn't have a set knockback :D Though, it sometimes ***** really hard.Mmmm...not what I was implying. The Shuttle Loop IS a gimp. It's like Fox's shine in Melee, which could kill people at any percentage. It has a set knockback at certain areas of the attack independent of character weight(I think so. Not 100% positive, but I'm pretty sure) and you can't do anything about it. On Halberd it's just a million times more effective than on other stages, as explained somewhere earlier.
And the AS thing? You can't do that. MK's up-B cancel is too fast. He can do three of them in one second on Halberd. And you won't be able to hit him with your AS anyways, because it's too fast. And you can only do it on the ledge, unless there's a platform above you, then you can cancel it on the platform too. But that's not too important in the grand scheme of MK. That's an annoying extra feature, but it's not too hard to avoid, as it's fairly impractical in most cases.
You're fun to debate with Kitamerby. I am immensely enjoying myself probing the reasoning behind the SBR. Seriously.
Dair disagrees.Because there is basically nothing we can do about it. Except time a perfect AD or something haha. But it can't kill at all percents.
How? Can't kill at 0%. No way. It could be used to kill as a gimp i suppose...but...meh. You've gotta admit, there has to be some sort of range it doesn't kill, like %0 to %40, at least. Or something completely random like that.Trapt, it can kill at all percents. :D
Mmmm...good point...sounds hard to pull off but it sounds good to me.Dair disagrees.
Well if you get close enough to the walk off zone...How? Can't kill at 0%. No way. It could be used to kill as a gimp i suppose...but...meh. You've gotta admit, there has to be some sort of range it doesn't kill, like %0 to %40, at least. Or something completely random like that.
I do know what u mean by that, it kills sometimes sooooo early, it's almost like I feel like I went from 0-death in 7 sec. or something like that.Well if you get close enough to the walk off zone...
You get the picture, it was supposed to be a jokish type thing.
I thought you guys were laid back, and not super serious, cmon I come to the lucario forums when I main MK.
always have to be serious round here good sir!Well if you get close enough to the walk off zone...
You get the picture, it was supposed to be a jokish type thing.
I thought you guys were laid back, and not super serious, cmon I come to the lucario forums when I main MK.
corneria should be banned as it defies the laws of nature.shuttleloop won't kill at any percent.
Outside of the lucario chat room, I take everything too seriosuly. I'm so terrible at pointing out sarcasm/jokes fgrom seriousness. We are pretty laid back though...i guess.Well if you get close enough to the walk off zone...
You get the picture, it was supposed to be a jokish type thing.
I thought you guys were laid back, and not super serious, cmon I come to the lucario forums when I main MK.
I believe that term has now been dubbed "Chill the out" by Timbers :D.Chill the fvck out.
-t2