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Louie's Notes-Olimar Q&A Thread!!
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DtJ Hilt
Little Lizard
Probably what I would do lol. Or jump OOS and Bair/Nair. Or just run the other way lolol
Throw pikmin. shield grab. win.
Blissard
Smash Lord
...you win. That's what you do against Zelda.
I recall using Zelda against people who didn't know how to air dodge. Din's Fire was pretty much death for them o.o
-Vocal-
Smash Hero
Learn how to shield her Fire. Or roll to avoid it. Don't try to approach her from above. Observe her Naryu's Wind (Reflector) habits, throw pikmin when she isn't going to do it, predict and punish her when she does do it. And try to not get Dsmashed, it really screws Oli up.
That's about it
I've seen this happen before lol
Blissard
Smash Lord
Lmao that attack doesn't exist. There's Nayru's Love and there's Farore's Wind though XD
DtJ Hilt
Little Lizard
Down Tilt is a bigger problem. Might be Zelda's best move lolol. Stay away from her because if she lands a dtilt, it's an easy string into any of her three smashes.
Zoned
Smash Rookie
So, I'm just starting out with Olimar. I read the guide and I've begun practicing the things in it, so here's my question.
What do you think is the most important thing that a beginning Olimar should learn?
What do you think is the most important thing that a beginning Olimar should learn?
PSI.kick
Smash Lord
thats a good question. i found that after practice your general skills (di e.g.) get better with practice.
Get timing down for moves as well as figuring out the appropriate times to use them.
feel comfortable with pikmin toss, camping, and pikmin color coordination, I've learned that going on a rampage with white pikmin trying to usmash to punish never works... lol.
Also check out some dthrow combos/pseudo combos, they will help you rack up the damage quickly.
If you're gonna camp, spacing is very important, get a feel for oli's moves for it and find situations to use them in (stated above). So yeah that should give you some stuff to work on, there are other things too, I just said what imo are some good things to get down.
Get timing down for moves as well as figuring out the appropriate times to use them.
feel comfortable with pikmin toss, camping, and pikmin color coordination, I've learned that going on a rampage with white pikmin trying to usmash to punish never works... lol.
Also check out some dthrow combos/pseudo combos, they will help you rack up the damage quickly.
If you're gonna camp, spacing is very important, get a feel for oli's moves for it and find situations to use them in (stated above). So yeah that should give you some stuff to work on, there are other things too, I just said what imo are some good things to get down.
-Vocal-
Smash Hero
No. PSI is wrong. The most important thing an beginning Olimar should learn is how to stop getting gimped by dumb ****.
Then comes all that other stuff
There are a lot of tricks to getting back on the stage and making sure you don't get gimped for something silly. First is remembering to save your second jump - you'd be surprised how much easier getting back to the stage is if you do. Second, whistle when you jump, and jump when you whistle - the two go hand in hand. The reason for this is that if someone hits you out of your second jump, you're basically dead (Wario is very good at this).
Also, if someone is on the ledge trying to hog it from you, you can A) Throw a purple at him if you have one at the front of your line or B) Attack him with Fair or Uair
There are other things but I don't want to throw too much at you at once ^_^
Zoned
Smash Rookie
Okay. So work on getting color coordinated and not getting gimped. Got it. Thanks. 
Does it have to be a purple to knock someone off the ledge, or can any other color do it?
Does it have to be a purple to knock someone off the ledge, or can any other color do it?
Blissard
Smash Lord
@_@ Purples are the only one with knockback, so yeah only purples. But on the other hand, you can gimp the recoveries of certain characters by latching Pikmin onto them (aka non-purples). It stops stuff like Ness & Lucas's PK Thunder 2, Ike's Quick Draw, Pikachu's Skull Bash, WeeGee's Green Missile, etc.Okay. So work on getting color coordinated and not getting gimped. Got it. Thanks.
Does it have to be a purple to knock someone off the ledge, or can any other color do it?
Zoned
Smash Rookie
Thank you for clarifying. I knew that the others didn't have knockback, I just wondered if when they latched on and did damage if it removed characters from the ledge.
Obviously I have a lot to learn, lol.
Obviously I have a lot to learn, lol.
PSI.kick
Smash Lord
Haha yeah forgot about that one xDNo. PSI is wrong. The most important thing an beginning Olimar should learn is how to stop getting gimped by dumb ****.
Then comes all that other stuff
which is pretty much the most important thing, so idk how.
Now that I think about it, what should I do for momentum canceling if im gonna save my second jump, airdodge and fair or what?
MiniTroika
Smash Journeyman
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Random note, blue pikmin fair beats tornado
-Vocal-
Smash Hero
Watch videos, and a lot of them. We have a fantastic video thread (made by yours truly
) with many different matchups within, so you'll pick up a lot of things just by watching other people play and implementing things into your style.Fair. It's the fastest. Don't use your second jump unless you absolutely will die unless you do.
Are you sure that it wasn't just the startup frames of Nado? I remember thinking once that purple Usmash beat it but it turned out that I just hit it in the early stages of the move, at which point it has very low priority (and possibly no hitbox?).
MiniTroika
Smash Journeyman
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Nope. The MK was chasing me and I just faired through it with blue.
Watch videos, and a lot of them. We have a fantastic video thread (made by yours truly
Fair. It's the fastest. Don't use your second jump unless you absolutely will die unless you do.
Are you sure that it wasn't just the startup frames of Nado? I remember thinking once that purple Usmash beat it but it turned out that I just hit it in the early stages of the move, at which point it has very low priority (and possibly no hitbox?).
Blissard
Smash Lord
As I recall, aerials practically never, ever, ever beat out tornado unless it hits from the top. And I doubt that a blue would hit through anyway.
And Vocal, you said you were going to a tourney Saturday? >.< All I know that's coming up is DSO, which is Sunday, so idk if you just mixed the date or if there's another tourney.
-Vocal-
Smash Hero
Just mixed up the date
OMG THIS MEANS I'M MEETING ANOTHER OLI MAIN! First Hilt, now you Def gotta get a picture together
Oooo, and create an Olimar handshake. *brainstorms*
DtJ Hilt
Little Lizard
Actually, Up Air is better. How fast the move comes out doesn't matter, it's how soon it ends, and Uair lasts the shortest time.
PSI.kick
Smash Lord
Ok so for di i need to airdodge then uair/fair like crazy, gotcha.
DtJ Hilt
Little Lizard
PSI, nope you have it wrong. After you get hit, start mashing Up Air as fast as you can, and start trying to fast fall. Start a fast fall right after the first up air ends. You don't need to air dodge.
-Vocal-
Smash Hero
Oh my bad, I've been momentum canceling the wrong way for months now @_@
Dabuz
Fraud at Smash
years right over here, didn't know about fastfall >_>
edit: hilt, can you test something for me? see how many characters we can dair out of ledge options (example, out of diddy's ledge jump below 100%, we have a guaranteed dair if we start the dair as diddy starts the ledge animation) IDK if it will only be jumps, or maybe even get up attacks or rolls, but it is very important to figure this out if it is indeed guaranteed
O_O
you're ****ing joking me? lmfao. The fastfall is the part that cancels the momentum. Aerials by themselves don't do ****, hahahahaha.
Dabuz
Fraud at Smash
yeah...>_> oh well, better late than never to learn it (sort of)
Jane
Smash Hero
ahahahahahahahahah
PSI.kick
Smash Lord
Lol. Ok thanks hilt. Btw another question, I'm goin to my first tourney next month and I main ness as well as oli. First off advice for the tourney, then also what matchups should I use oli for and which ones should I not?
-Vocal-
Smash Hero
Use Olimar for everything.
You think I'm joking but I'm not
Dabuz
Fraud at Smash
you think im trolling but im notUse Olimar for everything.
You think I'm joking but I'm not
Zori
Smash Champion
You think I'm sexy but.... I am
PSI.kick
Smash Lord
Oh yeah i have a technique i learned from a ness guide that havnt seen anywhere on the oli boards, it could be useful if a reverse sh pikmin throw isnt an option but you still want to camp them/run away while you're doing it.
Basically, at any point during a dash you can turn around and pikmin throw.
As you are running, side b the direction you are running then very quickly push the other way on the control stick, its prone to screw up sometimes, but could be useful.
Idk, most likely already known just wanted to throw it out there in case it's not.
Basically, at any point during a dash you can turn around and pikmin throw.
As you are running, side b the direction you are running then very quickly push the other way on the control stick, its prone to screw up sometimes, but could be useful.
Idk, most likely already known just wanted to throw it out there in case it's not.
Blissard
Smash Lord
It works for all side specials. That's why it wasn't specifically on the Oli boards. Till now. You think I'm playin...but I'm not.
PSI.kick
Smash Lord
Ok i feel super n00bish for asking this question, but I've never really found a good explanation.
What is staling/refreshing/fresh all that stuff exactly, I have a pretty good idea of what it is but I'd like a true explanation for it.
What is staling/refreshing/fresh all that stuff exactly, I have a pretty good idea of what it is but I'd like a true explanation for it.
Blissard
Smash Lord
Ok I can answer easy stuff like this :D Other people can do answer the strategy questions...
Basically, stale move negation means that, the more you use an attack, the weaker it'll become. The game records your input moves and places them in slots. There are 10 slots, each of which are assigned a value. I forget the exact formula/values, but the more recent you used a move, the higher the value is. You basically add up all of the values, and that's the total percent decay of the move. And, if you use more than 10 moves, it'll begin erasing the moves you first used.
The slots are erased when you respawn. Also, in the majority of cases, multi-hit moves only fill up one slot (however, there are exceptions, such as Marth's Dancing Blade and Zamus's usmash). In most cases, you want to refresh your moves, because if it's stale, the knockback and damage output it dramatically reduced. I think if all 10 slots were filled with the same attack, the knockback and damage would be reduced by 65%. And a side note, there are some moves not affected by stale move negation, and also, a fresh move (that's not on the list at all) does 5% more damage/knockback.
Last, us Oli's (aka Hilt) have just figured out that a staled usmash significantly increases the hitstun of yellow usmashes. This can lead to some true combos
If you want the exact formula, I can also find it for you.
PSI.kick
Smash Lord
Ok thanks for clearing that up. Now i understand stuff better haha
Blissard
Smash Lord
Edit (actually more like supplement...): lol I fail, I forgot to mention that they only get put into the slots when the move actually hits an opponent/breakable object (wario's bike, castle siege's pillars).