Let's talk.

[Shai Hulud]

No, I'm notorious for my versatility with it, not just that one stupid combo.

I don't get it. How can you be famous for being able to usmash? Or combo with usmash? Are there any decent Foxes who can't?

Not to rag on you or anything. You might be really good for all I know.

Sorry to spam the thread.

On topic:

Is it possible to repeatedly drillshine Marth? I can do it against cpus now, but it will be harder or maybe impossible against humans DIing away, especially if they smash DI. But I figure a perfect JC grab takes 8 frames, and a perfect SH dair takes 9 frames, so where one is possible the other should be as well, unless the tactic with the grab requires frame perfect timing.

 

[Zephyr]

On topic: I think that any competent Marth would Smash DI away from the shine...but you never know, they might suck.

Off topic: It's complicated. My playstyle is centered around upsmash and aerials. I find it to be an extremely versatile and broken move, hence my signature. I'm considered the best Fox in San Diego (pretty much), so I guess I could consider myself pretty good. SD's smash scene is pretty high up, BTW. We have pretty much the whole range here, excluding REALLY top tier pros. But DSF comes down pretty often, so I guess you could say we've got just about every skill level.

 

[Cort]

Well, Luigi can be drillshined across FD with no DI. It's just each repetition is the length of FD.

Marth's is definitely possible, even with DI.

It's not very practical, though.

 

[RaynEX]

I find it to be an extremely versatile and broken move, hence my signature. I'm considered the best Fox in San Diego (pretty much), so I guess I could consider myself pretty good.

Everyone finds it to be a versatile and broken move. It kills ridiculously easy and combos too.

Its your signature? I guess its mine too...along with every other Fox in my city. I mean come on...its not like you run around the level spamming grab until you get it..then spam that same combo.

Then again, I could be wrong.

It's not very practical, though.

Depends on the number of drillshines. Two drillshines from 0 to uthrow -> uair **** is amazing. Two should be the maximum any Fox should attempt imo.

 

[Cort]

Yeah, you sure see today's best Fox players attempting more than 1 drillshine.

Just. Play. It. Safe.

 

[RaynEX]

I know...

I can't help it though. If you can do it perfect...why not. : /

Just. Play. It. Safe.

Thats really good advice though. Alot of players don't think about that.

 

[kenny10]

These days, most Fox players play flashy and usually ends up in them doing something stupid.

 

[RaynEX]

These days, most Fox players play flashy and usually ends up in them doing something stupid.

don't ya just love spammy synonymous sposts?

(I'm such a hypocrite) =D

 

[kenny10]

You should check out Ness boards. It is way more laid back than here at Fox boards. (But they're both alright)

 

[Zankoku]

Regarding the uthrow > uair combo, I know that DIing the uthrow to the side makes it much harder to connect with a uair.

Is it still possible to do so from DI away? Behind? If not, what do you use instead? Bair seems like a clear choice when DIing behind, but what happens when they DI away? Obviously not fair, but would a uair reach? And if you miss, what then? Fox is fast, but uthrow loses its comboability at the higher %'s, when they fly way too high to hit with anything.

Drillshine is solid because you're approaching with a fast aerial and the Shine does its useful stuff. However, attempting a second iteration of the drillshine is usually asking for SDI from the drill to not get hit by the Shine, which can be followed up with hurting Fox a lot.

 

[D1]

Uthrow Bair/Nair works sometimes...once they get used to the bair/nairs after uthrow... throw in an uair to keep 'em mad and guessing. LOL

Uthrow to mindgames ftw.

 

[Ryan-K]

Off topic: It's complicated. My playstyle is centered around upsmash and aerials. I find it to be an extremely versatile and broken move, hence my signature.

So what's so special about playing just like every single other fox? Usmash IS a broken move dude. >_>;

 

[Brookman]

I think up throw to forward air is actually pretty good, most of the time when I do it it's just by accident but three hits normally connect.

Also, please stop responding to zephyr. Let him think he is clever or unique or special because he up smashes.

Also, I'm abandoning this thread and playing fox entirely. If you need me I'll be in the mewtwo forums.

 

[RaynEX]

Are you serious?

...

 

[Oskurito]

I don't get it. How can you be famous for being able to usmash? Or combo with usmash? Are there any decent Foxes who can't?

Not to rag on you or anything. You might be really good for all I know.

Sorry to spam the thread.

On topic:

Is it possible to repeatedly drillshine Marth? I can do it against cpus now, but it will be harder or maybe impossible against humans DIing away, especially if they smash DI. But I figure a perfect JC grab takes 8 frames, and a perfect SH dair takes 9 frames, so where one is possible the other should be as well, unless the tactic with the grab requires frame perfect timing.

Yes is possible, search MoFo combo on youtube and watch him making a 0-death drillshine combo on marth in FD. Doing it on people that know how to DI the shine and how to ASDI the dair is obviously impossible, just stick to drillshine>grab and forget about it (is not that hard anyway I can do it)

@Zephyr: That's ridiculous...

 

[RaynEX]

God MoFo sh*t is so technical.

But so unreliable.

 

[SCOTU]

Yes is possible, search MoFo combo on youtube and watch him making a 0-death drillshine combo on marth in FD. Doing it on people that know how to DI the shine and how to ASDI the dair is obviously impossible, just stick to drillshine>grab and forget about it (is not that hard anyway I can do it)

@Zephyr: That's ridiculous...

it's not impossible if they only know how to DI the shine and ASDI the drill. It's just harder. They'll actually need to SDI the drill kick to escape. If you're having trouble w/ ASDIers, FF your drills. You'll lose 3 hits, but you can't ASDI out (assuming decent placement). They can't escape w/ only ASDI from a very well placed full drill however.

 

[NES n00b]

it's not impossible if they only know how to DI the shine and ASDI the drill. It's just harder. They'll actually need to SDI the drill kick to escape. If you're having trouble w/ ASDIers, FF your drills. You'll lose 3 hits, but you can't ASDI out (assuming decent placement). They can't escape w/ only ASDI from a very well placed full drill however.

SDIng drills is broken. Ask Shai. Muwhahahahahahaha.

More on topic: This thread needs a little bit more direction.

 

[RaynEX]

How about comboing?

Specifically against Jiggypuff if you all don't mind. I just do not know what to do in that matchup.

My strategy after laser spamming is pretty much...drill+jab -> usmash. &even thats not foolproof. : /

 

[mikeHAZE]

up air?????

 

[Cort]

Yep, up throw up air absolutely ***** jigglypuff and kills her at around 40-50% on stages with fairly "normal" ceilings.

If you're messing it up you're not double jumping fast enough. Fox can react surprisingly fast after the uthrow.

 

[mikeHAZE]

yeah, on saturday i had to play this jiggs player, i think his name is mango ( he's in my crew :]] )

anyway, first kill was at like 30 percent from up airs, it was ****.

main thing with jiggs i think is to camp, grab/up air, and not get grabbed...

 

[Brookman]

How about comboing?

Specifically against Jiggypuff if you all don't mind. I just do not know what to do in that matchup.

My strategy after laser spamming is pretty much...drill+jab -> usmash. &even thats not foolproof. : /

Laser camp, Dash dance to grab, drill to grab, nair to grab at lower percents, weak nair to grab at medium percents. Don't be too aggressive though, but if you aren't on the other side of the screen shooting lasers stay close and rely on nairs/bairs, but mostly lasers. Also, be careful about doing TOO much damage, we don't want that =D. Another good trick is to approach in your shield to mess up jiggs bair spacing and up smash out of shield, but like all tricks a good player will see it and be more careful about it in the future, but if it's not a good jiggs you'll be able to just up throw up air spam every stock... unless they are good and you're just a bunch gooder..?

Practice up throw up airing by watching the lasers.

 

[Oskurito]

Well idk there was a guy that was from my crew that played falcon and he could SDI my dairs and completely screw my drillshines, that's why I changed to waveshine only.

Anyway to drillshine marth you'll need a very fast wavedash out of the shine I mean ASAP because if you aren't enough fast marth will be able to shield or hit you right out of it. Example: Here's a match I uploaded where Nova's marth grabed me out of my drillshine at 1:03

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_SmxzSnYZE

 

[Zankoku]

If the Marth insists on shielding your waveshines, just waveshine > grab a couple times until he learns to mix it up.

 

[RaynEX]

Thanks for the tips but...yea, I thought that the uair was too prevalent of a move to even mention.
I spam it...but at certain percents she just DJs out. I'm not sure which percent it starts at, and how to kill her once that happens.

 

[Brookman]

It doesn't matter if they DI to your back, unless you mean they DI out of range of the shine. in that case punch them in the face and tell them to stop ruining your stupid easy combo.

Thanks for the tips but...yea, I thought that the uair was too prevalent of a move to even mention.
I spam it...but at certain percents she just DJs out. I'm not sure which percent it starts at, and how to kill her once that happens.

Practice timing the up air so only the second hit connects. I don't know if it can be done if they DI to the left or right, but you know, that's what this topic is for I guess.

 

[RaynEX]

I always thought Jiggs was like Samus (could Dj out of the uthrow before the uair connects).

I'd do it soo much to this Jiggs in my area, and I'd think he just had horrible timing.

I'll play around with it i guess.

 

[Oskurito]

Jiggs is far easier than samus(unless is the king) both are annoying anyway...

 

[Brookman]

No Oskurito. you CAN NOT combo up throw into up air on samus. And it's pathetically easy to up throw up air jiggly puff. The trick is getting the grab. It's almost scary how fast fox can jump up to puff and do flips on her ***.

-.- <--

It's preference. I perfer Samus 'cause Samus is a lot easier to combo. Plus, I hate getting rested. >_<

Up airs don't always have to be dished out after grabs. Throw 'em out when you think it could connect. But sometimes bairs are more safer.

:freak:

 

[Yoru]

Jiggs is far easier than samus(unless is the king) both are annoying anyway...

It's preference. I perfer Samus 'cause Samus is a lot easier to combo. Plus, I hate getting rested. >_<

Up airs don't always have to be dished out after grabs. Throw 'em out when you think it could connect. But sometimes bairs are more safer.

 

[RaynEX]

It's preference. I perfer Samus 'cause Samus is a lot easier to combo. Plus, I hate getting rested. >_<

Up airs don't always have to be dished out after grabs. Throw 'em out when you think it could connect. But sometimes bairs are more safer.

Very true. Bairs pwn.

 

[mikeHAZE]

i think samus is a way harder match up then jiggs, Crouch Cancel to downsmash ***** fox.

 

[Oskurito]

No Oskurito. you CAN NOT combo up throw into up air on samus. And it's pathetically easy to up throw up air jiggly puff. The trick is getting the grab. It's almost scary how fast fox can jump up to puff and do flips on her ***.

-.- <--

:freak:

When did I say that??? I meant the match up... both samus and jiggs are hard for me and both are really annoying imo

 

[Hylian]

I don't even know why you guys are arguing this..Fox practically counters Jigs...Samus is WAY harder.

I would even say that samus may have a small advantage vs fox...that could just be because it's my favorite match-up >_>. The main thing fox has over samus is lasers. Samus can't really do much if you just run away and laser her the whole match. If the fox is agressive there are sooo many things samus can do to get an easy kill off of fox. If fox goes off the edge vs samus he almost always get's killed because samus's edgeguarding is so good vs spacies. Not to mention you have to work around samus's amazing priority and movement. It's a hard match-up. Silent Wolf is the only agressive fox that I have played so far that has beat me in a MM samus-fox. (Note: I do not MM FastLikeTree LOL. I did MM PC's fox, but never got the chance to play him except in teams >_>)

 

[RaynEX]

i think samus is a way harder match up then jiggs, Crouch Cancel to downsmash ***** fox.

I agree. I hate fighting Samus w/ Fox. CC Dsmash to a potential ledge-guard scenario absolutely owns everything you try to do.

Hylian: I'm so confused. I see the triforce in your sig yet...Samus? 0_o

 

[Oskurito]

Maybe he's a zelda fan but a samus player. Samus gets owned by laser spamming, uair + mindgames against CC

 

[RaynEX]

lol if you can hit with the uair.

Its impossible to land on a good Samus unless you Shffl it..or time it right after she down Bs midair and she's dropping+vulnerbale. Aside from that, its all usmash over here =D

 

[RaynEX]

Intentional Double post:

I was practicing today and I came across a 2 new things for us to discuss.

#1 - When i was playing against my friend's Marth on Kanto I found out this cool combo. At low percents atop a platorm: Drillshine backwards -> fall-off bair -> utilt -> more bairs or a grab i think.

I believe this can work on spacies and other opponents too. Both those that don't and do fall down frmo the shine. The bair will catch them as they're sliding off the platform. It sets up for some pretty nasty combos.

#2 - I find dtilt's usefulness ridiculously limited. Is it just me?

 

[mikeHAZE]

downtilts really tend to thow off opponents since not too many foxes use them, in my experience at least.