[Left 4 Scum] Game Over: Scum Win

[KevinM]

Also Uncap Kat

 

[Rockin]

How can I answer the first question?

Why do I feel I haven't been incapped?.. lol.

I finished reading them yes.

Unvote
Vote Circus.

Well, you basically just did. I don't suppose you can give us a overrall comment as to what you thought about it, can you?

also, that incapped question is pretty important IMO. All I want is your opinion.

 

[McFox]

I think the reason people always suspect me when I'm town is because I don't really think much before I post. I assume that, as town, I have nothing to hide, so I pop into the topic and just post what's on my mind. This is most of the reason that I've spoken up about Kev's questionnaire. As town, I just post what's on my mind, which in this game has been pertaining to that subject. Like I said before, I've never been trying to defend Kev, only to get people to stop tunneling on the questions and actually make a case.

 

[The Marsh King]

Xiivi - Recap Kat plz. I like Marshy's plan on letting the incapped earn their spots of being uncapped. Plus, it'll make them be less discouraged (like when Mac and Hando were). We can start uncapping them at Jan 13 (that way, we won't be scrambling).

no why make things more complicated? i think theres enough info for people to make an uncap decision

i think it's kevinm.

where the vote be? waiting to strike scumling?

also how is like less than half the game not uncapping right now

vote mcfox. can go kevin too

chaco/kat if you guys want someone wagoned you should tell me

avy so good need to see more of it

 

[McFox]

Anything of your own to add Marsh, or are you just piggybacking off of frozen?

 

[Xiivi]

have some limited computer time, gonna try to say stuff

 

[Xiivi]

voteircus

buddying

posted like right during the RVS; good description of Circus' play in Day 1

OH MY GOD U SUCK.

But yeah, Xiivi's totally the play. Vote: Xiivi

buddy Ronike afterwards

Everyone. I just wanna be friends, man. Why can't we all just get along? Live and let undie and all that jazz.

Don't worry, I'll buddy you later.

shrugs it off, but ends up continuing it anyway

Watching Ronike closely. Intrigued by Marshy's pressure method. Wary of Cello for not really responding to it, though also kind of confused that Marsh hasn't pushed it more. Always think Gheb is town. Eager to hear from everyone else.

dumb post concerning Marshy's #76 also calls Gheb town

Hey, you used the same word I did! That's... actually, kinda weird.

I didn't comment on this when Mayling proposed it before because I figured it was obv. silly, but since others seem to find value in it, let me try to squash it quick.

The rhyming thing is null. Cello apperently rhymed in the confirmation stage, I rhymed in the confirmation stage without even really noticing I did it, and then I rhymed again in RVS (this time, noticing that I did so and joking around with it). I do not see how this could possibly be an effective way for mafia to breadcrum anything to each other, especially since I directed attention toward one of my rhymes out in the open. That's pretty much contradictory to the idea of breadcruming. Not that I'm not glad people are looking for that kind of thing; I'm actually super happy to see that. But let's look for real stuff.

Seriously? This is Tom we're talking about. Was breaking the game through a roleclaim ever going to work? The scum in this game are infected survivors. They were normal people with lives before the zombie apocalypse, just like the rest of us. Not only would I expect Tom to provide safe claims for the mafia, I actually think it makes less sense for him not to do so, flavor-wise. The more I look at you, Ronike, the more it looks like you're trying to psuedo-town it up.

Though I do agree that we shouldn't massclaim because I don't want to wait around for 17 people to claim **** that isn't going to be helpful to us anyway. So, back to using D1 to our advantage or whatever it is I said.

Vote: FrozenFlame because you're scary and hard to read and I don't want to follow the Gheb wagon because I'm not a robot sheep conformist douchebag.

Slight ninja by Medi. I forgot you were even in this game.

infamous "HITSTVS" post originally never noticed "HIT" until mentos pointed it out, but the "H" line seemed totally forced and like more budding also specifically avoids gheb wagon and votes ff trying to be jovial about both

also looking at it again, the "HIT" is def directed towards hitting Pythag have no clue why mentos broughts up "HITS" or "HITSTVS" the quotes in the post breaks the "HIT" and directly points to Pythag and the first sentence is so obviously forced, wow Circus needs to DIE

like, why even go on, Circus is so even more scum now in my eyes wow

#183 unvotes frozen because he says it isn't working on the inactive and votes another inactive cello

#278 <---saw this McFox post again, highly suspect

#435 finally changes vote when the day is about the end

#474 also buddy buddy

#495 completely forced suspicion on me because I assumed 4 scum

#609 doesn't even realize he's already voting for me, has no case

#612 responds after I pointed out he never responded to my points

#710 says will switch to Ronike for lynch insurance if needed

#769

His huge OMGUS for suspecting me post.

Says Ronike lynch was pointless, had been disapproving all day and now trying to use it to discredit things. Ronike lynch still gave a lot of information and there were people who thought Ronike was scum, so the flip is still valuable.

Calls me "Mr. Hammer-Ronike-a-day-before-deadline" or some ****. Reaching haCORErd, especially when he said he was willing to do so.

#782 calls me the OMGUS one

Definitely think we should lynch Circus.

ununcap: chaco uncap: Kataefi

Rockin your idea of a deadline to start uncapping was awful btw. Leaves room open for a wagon to get to L-1 early on and a clear to uncap: self hammer: wagon.

so yeah, someone should ALWAYS have an uncap vote out and clears have no reason to uncap vote really. think people should def use uncap votes as pressure, kind of like an invert-lynch. people not voting you and voting others is like getting closer to lynch (death) and thus they should contribute to stay alive and get the votes coming their way

yeah I think about it differentlyhttp://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9270008&postcount=782

 

[Circus]

Omfg, Xiivi. That post made me so mad I can't even see straight. I'm gonna collect my thoughts and hopefully get back to you with a more thorough response in a few hours, but I'd just like to say a couple of things while I'm here. First, if you have to resort to the use of RVS posts in a PBPA to build a case against someone, you are beyond reaching and should consider leaving the tunnel. Second, if any of the other people here who have expressed suspicion of me are feeling that way because of that "HITS" crap on Day 1, I'm gonna blow a gasket.

I don't know who I want to ultimately uncap yet, but I'll tell you one thing—it ain't lookin' good for Chaco. Uncap: Marsh King for the moment, just to spread the wealth.

 

[Xiivi]

no, no, no, no

the fact you kept up with it past the RVS and one of the times you did it, it seemed forced and spelled "HIT" WHICH was separated from the "STVS" by you quoting someone is the problem and because even thought I pointed out the "HIT" you still brought it up as "HITS" screams you're scum

 

[Circus]

...If anything, doesn't the fact that I didn't get it right imply that I probably didn't even intend to put it there? I said "HITS" because, like you said, Mentos originally brought it up as possibly being either "HIT" or "HITS." I just went for the more encompassing version. It's not like it matters, because it's all nonsense.

I can't even believe we're talking about it again.

 

[Xiivi]

Since FF mentioned my OMGUS:
To Circus/FF:

Oh My God

sadly the only way we can do that is QUICKLYNCHING​

 

[Kataefi]

Just quickly slipping this in --> I'd prefer if people gave reasons behind their uncap votes as well. Extra info hurt nobody. Xiivi, Kevin, why are you currently uncapping me? Is it activity based? Do you agree with some of the choices I made in the game? Do you agree with my suspicions? A bit more info would be nice. Same for all the others who have currently uncapped anyone please!

 

[Xiivi]

I only find one of Chaco/You worth incapping as Marshy is all but guaranteed to die tonight if we uncap him (thus one less clear available to help us), and you are contributing/providing a thought out opinion from a clear player that I think is valuable whether I disagree with it or not.

 

[KevinM]

Not to piggyback on Xiivy but yeah basically.

Marshy is as good as dead if we save him tonight and you're doing a helluva lot more then Chaco is.

 

[Pythag]

Xiivi presents the best case I've seen for uncaping someone. I like that a lot.
UnCap Kat

I'm going to do some rereading quick like..
AGAIN sigh.

 

[Xiivi]

nomaymaysallowed dey wanna steal tandabears smiley

hi lurker mayling

 

[Mayling]

correction: noxiivisallowed he guna infect us

hi lurker mayling

herro

goodnight

 

[Pythag]

Ok, I don't know why I thought rereading Kevin's Quest (ions) would give me clues, because it didn't.

My theory is that I think finding breadcrumming would be easier once we lynch one scum.

Say Vsye had flipped scum.
We could then all go back and reread posts from Vsye, and to him, trying to see what messages might have been being sent. It's my thought at least.

I'm torn between voting McFox and Circus.

Circus getting mad just makes me think he could be scum that's frustrated with the fact that he's been caught.
Mcfox really really hammered on me for "defending" frozen.
I'll think on it. I am aware that deadline is Wed.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Still down for McFox of KevMo lynch.

I'd ****in' lol if McFox/KevMo and Xiivi are all scum. I gotta go through Xiivi's post first though.

 

[McFox]

Lynching me would be a mistake. If you're town, that is.

I assumed a mafia member would attempt to get me lynched after Ronike's mislynch, since I pushed the hardest for it. Even though I had actually dropped it until both Kev and Marsh (if I'm remembering correctly) voted for him, thus affirming what I'd been thinking. Either way, it still makes me the convenient scapegoat to lay that lynch on. Now who would need a scapegoat? Hmm, how about a scumbag who'd thus far contributed pretty much nothing and needed to come up with something in order to not get lynched for being useless (as both Kev and I had talked about doing)?

So yeah, I think frozen's scum, didn't really get into the game until several Days in, and needed to come up with a case in order to seem useful. I've seen several people say that they'd be okay with my lynch without really explaining themselves. I assume it's because I pushed for Ronike. However, if you want to avoid a third mislynch, you'll show your work so that I can address it. If you do want a third mislynch, vote with frozen.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Uncap Kataefi

 

[Circus]

Okay, first, Xiivi, you've accused me of buddying more than once and I'd really like you to back it up. If I've been buddying people, where are all my buddies? I'm feeling pretty alone right now. So far, you've shown posts of mine from the RVS in which I joke about it, but no real substance.

dumb post concerning Marshy's #76 also calls Gheb town

Twisting my words. I did not call Gheb town, I said I always think Gheb is town. There is a crucial and obvious difference between the two.

infamous "HITSTVS" post originally never noticed "HIT" until mentos pointed it out, but the "H" line seemed totally forced and like more budding also specifically avoids gheb wagon and votes ff trying to be jovial about both

Buncha nulltells. I already said that I have a natural bias toward thinking Gheb is town. I already expressed myself on the "HIT" thing. And are you really holding my "jovial" attitude against me? Sorry, I typically tend to try to have fun when these games start. You'll forgive me if my mood has soured as this one has gone on.

also looking at it again, the "HIT" is def directed towards hitting Pythag have no clue why mentos broughts up "HITS" or "HITSTVS" the quotes in the post breaks the "HIT" and directly points to Pythag and the first sentence is so obviously forced, wow Circus needs to DIE

Do I even need to point out the fact that Pythag is still alive and therefor this theory is entirely inconclusive?

#183 unvotes frozen because he says it isn't working on the inactive and votes another inactive cello

#435 finally changes vote when the day is about the end

#474 also buddy buddy

#495 completely forced suspicion on me because I assumed 4 scum

#710 says will switch to Ronike for lynch insurance if needed

#769

His huge OMGUS for suspecting me post.

Nulltell, nulltell, nulltell, nulltell, nulltell, nulltell.

What is scummy about switching from an inactive who clearly had no interest in or was not capable of responding to me to an inactive who might respond to me?
News flash: NINE other people changed their votes at the last minute because we didn't figure out a solid lynch candidate.
Conjecture
I was thinking out loud. Since it is now practically confirmed that we have 3 scum, claiming there are 4 scum probably isn't a slip. But I didn't know as much then as I do now.
I don't know what your point here even is. Yes, I said I would switch to Ronike in order to avoid a no lynch because we need to see a scum flip if we're going to have any hope of winning this thing. You will notice that I was not in favor of a Ronike lynch and did not end up voting for him.
I think it's pretty clear that I voted for you there because the reasons you're giving for suspecting me reek or reaching scum. Plus, your hammer of Ronike didn't sit well with me back when you did it.

I will admit that my 609 sucks, but I already explained it. Either you believe that I got lost in the post-holiday catch-up or you don't.

Says Ronike lynch was pointless, had been disapproving all day and now trying to use it to discredit things. Ronike lynch still gave a lot of information and there were people who thought Ronike was scum, so the flip is still valuable.

Bull****. Such CRAZY bull****. If the Ronike lynch was so valuable, then why do we still not have a clear lynch option? What vast amount of information did his flip give us aside from the fact that we now know the Ronike/McFox argument wasn't SvS? Which I'm sure no one thought to begin with. I didn't call the Ronike lynch pointless; you called my attempt to switch to Cello pointless. As if you already know he's clear or something. I was merely asserting that Ronike's flip was no less helpful than Cello's flip could have potentially been.

Calls me "Mr. Hammer-Ronike-a-day-before-deadline" or some ****. Reaching haCORErd, especially when he said he was willing to do so.

Yeah. I was willing to do so at deadline if the Cello wagon didn't pick up passengers. YOU made sure it couldn't by cutting Ronike's rope early.

At the beginning of this Day, I was feeling pretty uncertain about who I wanted to lynch. My scumdar has never been stellar and Monster Island mafia kicked my instincts in the ***. But you're making this easy for me, Xiivi.

@McFox: What are you doin' to me, man? Comments like that (you townies will be sorry if you lynch me) always rub me the wrong way. I get no good vibes from that at all.

@Pythag: Deadline is not Wednesday; deadline is a week from Wednesday.

Also, not that I don't understand the logic in wanting to uncap Kata, but isn't this exactly what people were moaning about yesterDay? That everyone piled on one player and didn't give the other clears enough incentive to help us? I realize this hasn't been as much of a rush as that was, but it's the same principle.

Gheb, thoughts other than me and Mentos being scum?

 

[Xiivi]

going to replace out: see http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9290062&postcount=393

 

[Cello_Marl]

I have to be at work in 15 minutes, but I'll just say a couple of things quickly.

Xiivi, please don't replace out. I, for one, enjoy your playstyle. Actually, Delvro and I took your uscum.png and started passing it back and forth adding silly little things to it while talking on AIM. If you really won't be enjoying the rest of the game, then don't stay just for one or two people's sakes. But, unlike most times when detractors can dishearten you, now you can hear the thoughts of those that don't want you to go.

Also, this bugs me.

I think the reason people always suspect me when I'm town is because I don't really think much before I post. I assume that, as town, I have nothing to hide, so I pop into the topic and just post what's on my mind. This is most of the reason that I've spoken up about Kev's questionnaire. As town, I just post what's on my mind, which in this game has been pertaining to that subject. Like I said before, I've never been trying to defend Kev, only to get people to stop tunneling on the questions and actually make a case.

This came off to me as McFox trying to appear like Ronike. Specifically, the "not shaking the feeling of a normal game". Also, right after I had made the point that Ronike seemed that way was the time that McFox started going after Ronike. As if to flip him, so he could say the quote I have above. It would not have to have been Kevin's questionnaire, either. It could have been anything that he could "not think about" and then post. There were a couple of other things, but I want to see what Mentos has to say first, and I'm outta time.

 

[McFox]

Think whatever you want, but with basically the three most veteran players in this game coming out against me by now, I just want to make it absolutely clear that I think frozen is using me as a scapegoat to get out of his own troubles.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Think whatever you want, but with basically the three most veteran players in this game coming out against me by now, I just want to make it absolutely clear that I think frozen is using me as a scapegoat to get out of his own troubles.

Right, I think Frozen's smarter than to just blindly advocate the lynch of a player who was the most vocal about what turned out to be a mislynch. Tbh I legitimatley thought that Ronike was scummy as hell and I can't say that his lynch was based on nothing so I find it hypocritical of Frozen to take this as an opportunity to scapegoeat people from the Ronike wagon.

Unvote Vote Scumtosman

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Circus I'm quite suspicious of Frozen for reason posted above. Coasting through early game and then cherry-pick scapegoats is exactly what Frozenscum did in FFVII - major stalling included.

 

[Circus]

Xiivi, if you're replacing out because you aren't enjoying yourself anymore, then by all means move on to something worth your time. But if other people are just being *****, tell 'em to **** off. You're ruffling my feathers in this game, but that's just because you're Scummy McScummerson trying to get me lynched. Nothing personal, man.

Gradually warming up to a McFox lynch, though Xiivi's PBPA of me really feels so reachy to me that I'd kind of like him dead. If he gets a replacement, maybe that can wait. Would like to read more from Frozen and might also be up for his lynch, though I like the fact that he also seems to be suspicious of Xiivi.

Mayling's new avatar is ridiculously awesome and I need to see it more often.

 

[mentosman8]

Ok, delayed my promised post a bit since Boondock filled up and I wanted to get everything sent out for it and all that jazz, in about 5 minutes I'm gonna go back a ways and see what I can figure out. Hopefully I'll actually get something to go off of since I've been in a major rut this game.

 

[The Marsh King]

going to replace out: see http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9290062&postcount=393

on d3? that is lame

2nd pic in 811 is cool plus youre a good wagon buddy

karthik post more

 

[Xiivi]

yeah d3 is late and replacements r thin, so yeah I understand if my dude gets modkilled because I'm being selfish even though I really liked him and wanted him 2 survive

maybe will talk 2 Tom later, but yeah I dunno, maybe I'm just being a
scrub about it: iPod wifi

 

[mentosman8]

So, after looking back, I didn't get a major amount. However, I do have a couple of better reads on people and feel I can actually start making moves instead of sitting back trying to figure out where I wanted to go. Now, my first thing I'd like to do is

Vote: McFox

I didn't get TvT vibes from Ronike v McFox, so it seems like a good place to put my vote. Coupled with his un-necessary defending of Kevin, I'm getting a feel that he's scum. Especially since Kev looked for a while like a potential lynch candidate, I could see Fox defending him to earn brownie points should that occur when Kevin flipped town.

Also caught my eye when Circus was talking about McFox's defense of Kev in 785, he says that his defense seems "Perhaps too bold for McFox to be scum himself." Now, my question to you Circus, is why do you say this as if Kevin would have to flip scum?

 

[The Marsh King]

Think whatever you want, but with basically the three most veteran players in this game coming out against me by now, I just want to make it absolutely clear that I think frozen is using me as a scapegoat to get out of his own troubles.

What troubles would he be in? I am assuming you are talking about the ronike lynch causing him trouble(if not feel free to correct me). I think to nearly everyone ronike looked scum. Cleared townies were on it as most likely were normal uncleared townies. tbh I am getting gg reads on FF as of right now.

Right now Mcfox I am getting scum vibes from you. Your actions and posts look somewhat forced and in some cases you like you have given up. Posts like its a bad idea to lynch me are NEVER a good idea as it seems to be a useless plea for help which will alwatys fall on deaf ears. Instead you should come up with a defense that will prove you a townie.

And sorry for ym lack of posts semester ends soon and lots of big tests are coming up so I am focusing and studying for them alot. Most of them are upwards from 10% of my grade.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

So let's see here, we've got Mcfox guilty of:

- dramatic appeal to emotion and fear mongering
- attempt to undermine my case on him by oversimplifying and misrepresenting it as me targeting him because of the Ronike flip even though MY ENTIRE CASE IS BASED ON INFO FROM BEFORE THE FLIP
- attempting to undermine my case's validity by appealing to prior inactivity
- metagaming (FFVII reference)

Can we kill him now please?

 

[Xiivi]

okay I'm staying in because I talked to Steel and I <3 him

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

We <3 you too Xiivi.

Vote mcfox and I'll love you more! =D

 

[McFox]

His troubles were that Kev and I were talking about lynching him before he showed up to push his case on me. (Also, that reference to FFVII did not come from me). The honest truth is that I'm moving to New York in about a week. I'm doing what I can here, but the only things I can say that don't involve me mostly rereading the topic make me look scummy. I don't have a ton of time here to stand up and defend myself. All I can do is say that frozen clearly looks like scum to me, so I'm leaving my vote on him. If I end up getting lynched, then you can at least use this to catch your first scum member.

If I was going to metagame, all I'd say is that the only time people ever think I'm town is when I'm not. See Simpsons mafia where I breezed through the whole game, or Anime mafia in LoD where I was basically completely clear until I made a very suspicious claim late in the game, and even then I wasn't lynched for it. Whereas in this game, Scrubs mafia (BRoom), and numerous others where I'm town, I end up on the chopping block because i'm not as careful about what I post.

Just don't let frozen get by tomorrow by saying that I was playing badly. Of course I'm playing badly, I always play badly as town. I've never been a great player anyway. I also tend to think it's over for me before it really is (Scrubs mafia in the BRoom, I claimed with two votes on me because things were looking bad). I'd like to offer the perfect townie defense to convince everyone of my innocence while giving you a better candidate, but I can't do that. I don't have the time or the skill to pull that off. So instead, I'm giving you my honest opinions, so that if I die, it'll be known.

 

[KevinM]

Still ok with Circus being lyched. Unfortunately since people think I'm scum Marshy and Xiivi won't really wagon with me -_-.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

No I'll hop Circus again if people are down for a wagon.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Xiivi's 807 is legit btw