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Krystedez

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Do you think he isn't a play because there isn't a case on him yet, or just because deadline is so close?
The case is somewhat there but not enough work on it, it's one of my weaker reads in my case but essentially the play is not viable because he's not being considered as much as say Kev or Gova atm, so its a mixture.
 

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Kantrip Kase

The Kantrip Kase. You may want a song to listen to while reading this, and don't worry, I'll make a summary afterwards. Check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDieZ4dgQ9Q&feature=slpl

This will be relevant, as if I'm telling you a story. Listen now, kiddies.

UTDZac

If I were to guess that you've played mafia before but this is your first game in a while, would I be correct? What's your experience like? How about if I were to guess that you sharing your story about losing to Zilean is an attempt to make people feel sorry for you?

Vote: UTDZac
Underlined, I see this is a stretch, to get the ball rolling in RVS.
Who do I feel this benefits? Town on the surface, but scum internally. Yet this isn't simply off this one post, I'll explain why it is benefitting scum internally, or rather 'beneath the surface'.

Exactly. That's why this isn't the same as what I did to your Zilean mention at all. Derp.

Would anyone else care to hop on this wagon? We've got a scummy on our hands here for sure. Back later.
A feigning of 'scumminess' to get info. Again, nothing bad on the surface, yet I feel it is done overall to benefit scum. Keep on following to see why.

Explain this vote.

If it's just RVS, why are you ignoring the UTDZac wagon?
Here is why I start to feel Kantrip's early actions were him trying really hard to seem town. There was no reason for him to be asking me to explain the vote, when Inferno could have done this himself. Basically, the reason why I find it benefiting scum beneath the surface, is because he is focusing on his image, which I find is something scum would want to do. This doesn't ring alot of bells alone, but in conjunction with his whole play, it does. Keep reading baby.

That would be JTB with the sample role PM.

FoS: Kevmo
This seems like a rvs/suspicion thing to get things going, and it shows that Kantrip was confident of what he was doing. Yet this still reeked of him trying really hard to be pro-active.

As far as the Delita/soup exchange goes.... I do agree with the things you said regarding his qualms with me being things he himself is guilty of. I find it off, however, that you are discrediting everything soup is trying to say, shutting him down and stopping possible content in its tracks. You are white-knighting MY slot more than Raz white-knighted soup. What I dislike is that you're doing this without even making a comment as to any of our alignments. What is your read on soup after this? What do you make of Raz defending him? If I'm being honest, I think you are completely in the right with what you're saying to soup, but you're not doing anything townie about it and you're scummier overall in the exchange. Especially if soup was going for reactions from me, which you essentially ruined by shutting him down before I could respond.

While cute and manipulative and all, why do you need to defend me? You're not hunting for scum, you're hunting for a way to make soup slip up and look like scum.

Vote: Delita

Can other people tell me I'm wrong, or is Delita really obviously scum here?
In the bold, this is the root of Kantrip's argument against Delita. Now, he jumps to the conclusion that Delita is trying to make soup seem scummy without really giving a stance themselves, but Kantrip didn't look at the possibility of Delita doing this to get some serious discussion.

In the red, he seems to have 'found' scum, as if he saw an action that really seemed like something scum would do, that he was so convinced. In fact, Kantrip I want you to quote+underline the exact statement that made you feel this way.

Now what do I think his motivation was? To get a good position in the town. (Yet ask yourself if Kantrip is doing anything productive for town) I agree with Raz that his vote seems hasty, since it seemed like he just LATCHED onto something that seemed scummy. This is also very uncharacteristic of Kantrip, so I don't understand why some people say 'it's Kantrip being Kantrip'. I don't think so.

This is another action that doesn't seem scummy on the surface, yet I feel plays a role in what Kantrip is trying to do as a whole. Please keep following to get my thought process.

Oh no all the walls. :c

Since I hated soup's RVS crap, I got how I did as a response to him. Doesn't mean I find him scummy, but I would love to see a playstyle change.

Since I find Delita's attack to have very little town intent and lots that it can accomplish for scum, I'm voting him. I would like more people to vote with him, unless they disagree with my reasoning. In that case, please say why.
Plum, I don't like that he says "oh no the walls" when he was contributing with walls himself. It doesn't seem sincere.

Red, I feel this is him asking others to convince him that he is wrong, yet I don't see why he would do that since he was so convinced that Delita was obv scum. It is good to re-evaluate but I just don't see it lining up with his mindset at the time. Nor do I see it as a good time to ask for that.

Underlined, I am wondering why he didn't like Soup's playstyle there.

Kantrip, looking at your case doesn't convince me of your stance on him. You're giving Delita this huge persona in your eyes that he's a mastermind of mafia and he's trying to make me slip up. Why isn't he just questioning me for the sake of questioning? Your #231 states that he isn't trying to discern to my alignment. Why? What makes him different from anyone else who would question me? Think about the allusion I stated before you answer this. Why is Overswarm so special?
At this point, I would feel Soup could have stated that his actions were suspicious. It is good to ask these questions to understand what Kantrip was thinking, yet I also think Soup should have stated what I will state right now:

In the red, this is why I feel Kantrip's attack on Delita is suspicious. He didn't consider that he was just questioning to question, or for discussion.

This may seem repetitive but I point this out because I want to show how soup is choosing to interact with Kantrip. Instead of hard accusing him, he bends his knees, and sort of coaches him, even though he was voting Kantrip.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I see more pointing out double standards and telling you that you're wrong from him than any questioning. What he is doing is not trying to discern your alignment because he's just shutting down everything you're trying to do.

The one redeeming point is that he is telling every other player slot to comment on the whole ordeal, which is something he has been very adamantly pushing for. This is working towards getting opinions out there to find scum, trading walls with you wasn't.
Kantrip is trying to make it seem like Delita is not discerning Soup's alignment, while Delita never gave alignment reads on either Soup or Kantrip, and was just arguing to argue. This is suspicious and feels like Kantrip drawing a conclusion which isn't happening.

Oh, awesome. You're done with your pursuit of Soup? What did you discern about his alignment as a result of completing your line of questioning on him? What did you get about other player's alignments by keeping track of who did or didn't respond?

In the case of you being scum, soup is not a partner. This I have stated. So, for this scenario, your push on him would be a push for a mislynch. When I am talking about a scenario, I don't dance around with "maybes" and "if x then y's". If you are scum and are trying to make soup slip up, then he is town and it's for the purpose of a mislynch.

To clarify, that doesn't mean you are 100% scum and he is 100% town, by any means.
In the red, he Kantrip asks what Delita got alignment wise on Soup and others who have commented. What is suspicious here, is that he didn't ask Delita this before, and accused him of not trying to discern Soup's alignment. I just feel this is something he should have waited on, before bringing that argument. That is why I feel his 'hastiness' is suspicious, since he was jumping to conclusions without letting things develop first.

Bolded, I don't understand this line at all. Wasn't your reasoning for Delita scum that he's shutting down any progression that I'm trying to do, not that what I did deserved to be shut down? Rethink this.
This quote feels more like coaching and I don't really get why Soup is always having him 'reconsider' things instead of actually using that as points to accuse him for.

Allow me to but into your argument with Delita for a moment.

Do you really think that Delita was setting up a mislynch so early? Do you really think I would go down this easy? I want you to look at my points I made, and then consider your own. This isn't about having the wrong logic, it's about you making something faulty and grasping on oeverexaggerated ideals based on god knows what.
Soup makes a good point here, and this is something suspicious coming from Kantrip.

I want someone who's not scumreading Kantrip to tell me a reason that doesn't involve the word "Meta."
This is something I feel Soup isn't considering himself. Everyone is afraid of getting it wrong on Kantrip for always being weird, and I have seen it many times. Just look at NecroMafia where I thought he was OBV scum for not reading at all yet still voting opportunistically OFF the wagon of scum. (He was town :scared:)

Yet I did say he is playing very uncharacteristically. As I have mentioned earlier in the game, he usually plays a reactionary game, and isn't in the forefront. He is usually in the shadows and either just votes on something he finds really scummy [Cite: Necromafia, Celeb Rehab Mafia], yet here he has been trying really hard to be pro-active, and ask people for explanations, etc.

Your questions have been completely hollow and pointless, your reads unsubstantiated, your attacks lack any resemblance of a bite, and town as a whole has absolutely no reason to trust your judgement over their own.

If you want to be helpful, I'd suggest letting the inactives post or goading them into activity rather than professing shallow reads related to the two most open posters in the game and refusing to answer questions directed at you because you personally don't see the point.

Just a suggestion.
Don't like this either. He is coaching Kantrip and I just don't find his 'bad town' read on him sincere. (This is why I asked him to go into why he felt he was bad town in a short paragraph) I also find his vote and unvote of Kantrip insincere, because he doesn't really use it on Kantrip, and doesn't keep it there long enough to give some more information.

Just an FYI, none of my stances are strong. Everyone seems to be clinging to things I say: "reachy strong town read on MSF" -Ryker and "making Delita scum of the month" -soup

Neither of those stances are concrete. I never even claimed the MSF read was anything more than a slight town read (always subject to change, and this goes without saying). The Delita scum read I have been pushing a lot more strongly, it IS reaching, but I feel like that's an effective way of getting people to pay attention to stances.

My stance on you, soup, is that I don't like your play. It's grating on me, but it's null. Every time I play with you is the same ****, and it's just something about the way you like to latch onto my early D1 playstyle and either try to armchair critic it or tunnel it into the ground.

Distracting as ****, and I'm going to be focusing on other things than answering the same questions multiple times. What is your stance on Raziek?
Red, I don't like this statement, it feels as though Kantrip is backtracking from his strong Delita scumread, due to Soup pressuring him. This is why I ask if Kantrip can go back to his 'reading' of Delita.

I don't think you're being genuine with it but it's an old matter. You yourself said you're reaching a bit but I don't want you to feel like you need to back down from Overswarm because he makes a lengthy post or two and criticizes you. Chin up.

By the way, you're absolutely right. You're a player who I feel reacts well to reactions and early pressure, this meshes into your mentality of having to be right everytime. Right now I feel that's the only thing I would reconsider and you're feigning your own confidence while not being certain yourself. Can you prove me wrong on this?
Not liking this, because he is asking him to prove him wrong, and isn't really pressuring him much, just arguing and it seems he is arguing so he can come to a better conclusion of Kantrip. The reason why I feel this way:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GylgTLMJzGs

Is because their arguments had served no other point but for Soup to unvote, before Kantrip even responded.

I might unvote. Respond to me Kantrip and we'll go from there. Not interested in anyone who has been posting really.
This also shows that Soup was not interested in anyone that was active, but doesn't really show why.

Not even a little bit.

It is a theoretical scenario. For the purposes of what I am detailing, I am saying that Delita is scum. Therefore, since he is theoretically scum, soup is theoretically town. Ergo, Delita lynching soup would be a mislynch. Never was I using that as reasoning for OS scum. Like seriously how does that not make sense to you?
The scenario was Delita being scum, which was what you were pushing for. I find this suspicious, as if Kantrip is trying to backtrack from Delita's pressure by saying that it had nothing to do with his actual reasoning. What he fails to see here, is that Delita mentions that it is illogical for Kantrip to state that 'scenario' to clear Soup as not a partner, since Delita never gave a read on Soup, nor was he pushing for a lynch on Soup in the first place.

Red, what were you using the scenario for, then?

Vote: Kantrip

No one is this stupid.
Delita votes Kantrip for being stupid, but not for being scum for his argument. I don't know why OS voted him, and I think he should clarify what he felt his vote on Kantrip meant at this time.

I'm thinking the same thing about you right now holy ****. What part aren't you getting?

I'm just gonna leave this be. I'm not getting anything from Delita but walls and anger, so I'll come back to the slot later. Null until I do.

Vote: UTDZac
Kantrip replies very emotionally back towards Delita, which I feel is an over-reaction, and not one I like. It feels forced. The red entails what I dislike the most. There was no reason for Kantrip to blow up like this, and he could have explained his mindset with a calm demeanor.

Underlined, due to 'frustration', Kantrip drops his read on Delita and gains a null from him. Does he ever go back to it? Also consider that he puts his vote on UTD as a sort of backburner vote. To be continued...

unvote

Kantrip is that stupid OS.


Katrip, you're misunderstanding OS' point, your logic is circular and your entire scenario hinges on us being scum and soup being town, but the only behavior which according to you, points to that, is behavior which requires that in order to be scummy. There's no evidence that your interpretation is close to the truth, it's just incredibly reaching and saying that it's not a strong read is not an excuse for being so disingenuous.
I don't like this from Delita, because Adum explains to me that he feels a vote should be a resource, yet he just shut down what that vote on Kantrip could have brought to the table. There was no reason for him to unvote, and OS never really went into why he did this. It just feels vague. I want him to clarify this.

When did I use that sentence as any part of a basis for my scumread on your slot? Never. That was never reaching because it was NEVER PART OF MY CASE.
In this post: Post #231

Now tell me, what were you using that scenario for, and why doesn't it count in Delita's argument against you?

You're relying on your hypothetical situation to carry your argument however.

Given that forcing people to take stances that a scum would eventually have to violate is a tactic favored by both myself and OS, your only remaining evidence is the scenario itself. So either it's circular, or non-existent.

If it's simply a gut read, just say it, pretending it has actual reasoning behind it only serves to confuse town.
Kantrip stated that it was not, so do you see that it as scum motivated?

So yes, it's non-existent. It never was existent. Have you read the sentence in question or are you just assuming I thought it held any significance at any point? Like seriously this has been the stupidest ordeal over NOTHING.
Kantrip, why are you getting so frustrated and emotional over this? This to me, seems telling because it feels like you have been caught and are over-reacting here.

****. I'm going to drop this because you're right that it's not accomplishing anything. Let's just agree to disagree because we're obviously not going to reach an understanding.
This is the end of the Delita/Kantrip interaction. It doesn't really help Delita get a better read, it only helps Kantrip realize his argument wasn't accomplishing anything. I also didn't see why Delita voted Kantrip. This argument, along with Soup V Kantrip, was another waste.
 

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Summary of Kantrip Kase

Kantrip's actions over the whole game:
  • Tried really hard to be pro-active early RVS
  • Tries to get a good position early game, yet doesn't do anything useful with it in general.
  • Jumped to conclusion without thinking what the person was really doing in the first place
  • Is playing very differently in comparison with his other meta
  • Backtracking in post #297
  • Proposes that possible scum intent was for Delita pushing a mislynch on Soup, yet says it wasn't an argument and I feel this is a backtrack (Post #231)
  • Hasn't been as pro-active as he has been in the early game, now he is just sheeping Delita, who he is still null on. (Hasn't given a new stance on Delita yet)

Kantrip's Arguments:
Soup v Kantrip

Soup Coaches Kantrip, entices him to prove him wrong
States he may unvote (because he isn't interested in anyone who is active at the current time) before Kantrip responds to him
He says that Kantrip is being really aggressive, and is very willing to make Delita Scum of the month
Kantrip replies, giving self-meta and states that he is feigning confidence, and starts to backtrack with his Scumita read. (Saying that it was REACHING, but was fine with it because he sees it as a way of forcing stances out of other players)
The arguing keeps going, Soup goes into how he is scared about being wrong, and Kantrip goes into self-meta and how his confidence is always low.

Overall, I feel this interaction goes no where and only helps Soup to get a better opinion of Kantrip, yet was coaching and encouraging Kantrip to prove his scumread on him wrong in the first place. Kantrip had a null due to meta. So this was a waste of an argument.

Delita v Kantrip

Delita accuses Kantrip of showing a confidence of Soup's alignment
Kantrip replies stating he wasn't using the scenario of Delitascum to support his reasoning
Delita votes Kantrip for being stupid
Kantrip starts acting emotionally towards Delita for calling him stupid, which I feel is an overreaction
Delita other head unvotes Kantrip, and proceeds to re-direct pressure to Gova, who they haven't talked about, nor had a problem with content wise. This seems sudden and out of place.
Delita argues that they feel a vote is a resource, yet they didn't let it sit and 'be resourceful' on Kantrip. I find this inconsistent with their view on that.
Kantrip then proceeds to say that he is going to drop the argument since he realized it won't do any good.

I feel this interaction didn't do anything but: Have Delita conclude that Kantrip is very stupid, and then vote Gova within the argument as a backburner vote. The argument didn't help them in anyway, it just helped Kantrip realize that he was stupid, and it helped Kantrip drop the argument.

Conclusion:
I feel Kantrip overall has been trying to seem town to get a good position in the game (as scum), yet backfired because he was too hasty in accusing Delita by jumping to conclusions. He mentions that Delita wasn't trying to discern his alignment, when Delita openly stated that he didn't feel strongly about either him or Soup, so he was attributing a fake intention to Delita, who was openly saying he was just questioning soup. Kantrip later on doesn't ever re-visit his read on Delita, and just sheeps onto Gova.

This is why I feel Kantrip is scum. This is the best D1 lynch, due to scumminess, and connections. Everyone that is afraid of him being derp town, look harder and ask yourself:

1. Why is Kantrip playing differently here than in other games?
2. Has he done anything productive (other than sheeping)
3. Has he re-evaluated his stances in a genuine manner?

So, vote Kantrip guys.
Vote: Kantrip
 

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Didn't read the huge wall of your case, but the summary is pretty bad.
Your question two is garbage, as I have been proactive at numerous points throughout this game, asking questions and then following up on them, and stating reads as well as attempting to start discussion. Even though I got distracted in some arguments I still did stuff, so **** off with that point.
Life is really hectic for me at the moment, not able to sit down and read. I'll lend my hand to a lynch to make sure one happens, but I'm not sure how much else I can do until the Night phase begins.
 

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**** me. Your case is more **** about the ****ing semantics ***********.

I refuse to respond to that crap.

MSF is really disappointing but probably town, I just can't see this being a scum play.

No one will listen since I don't have time to outline points or make a case, but I really dislike the UTDZac/J slot. Like seriously just read that slot please guys.

Still have a bad gut feeling about Ryker. Almost a self-preservation kind of feel. He's not being as aggressive as I would expect. Especially with the role he has claimed.
 

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I can go Krys or J today. I don't want Gova and I need to mull over Kevin again. I disagree with his lynch today. I might read Ranmaru's wall to see what he has to say but I doubt it will change my opinion.

RainbowFingers, I eagerly await your post.
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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Inferno seems like such a damn crapshoot. Someone do me a favor and vig him.
 

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Conclusion:
I feel Kantrip overall has been trying to seem town to get a good position in the game (as scum), yet backfired because he was too hasty in accusing Delita by jumping to conclusions. He mentions that Delita wasn't trying to discern his alignment, when Delita openly stated that he didn't feel strongly about either him or Soup, so he was attributing a fake intention to Delita, who was openly saying he was just questioning soup. Kantrip later on doesn't ever re-visit his read on Delita, and just sheeps onto Gova.

This is why I feel Kantrip is scum. This is the best D1 lynch, due to scumminess, and connections. Everyone that is afraid of him being derp town, look harder and ask yourself:
I find myself liking this more than I thought I would to be honest. I didn't like his vote on Gova either but I don't understand why you yourself are now trying to ignore the prevalent statement of Kantrip just being Kantrip. Why is his vote on Gova specifically telling to your case? Where does it hold barring? I understand that your full argument is Kantrip is trying too hard to be town and maybe stretching his boundaries of his own meta (at least what I get from it) but what I want to know is him not revisiting his read on Delita is telling along with him jumping on Gova. It doesn't make sense with your case at hand.
 

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Kantrip said:
Still have a bad gut feeling about Ryker. Almost a self-preservation kind of feel. He's not being as aggressive as I would expect. Especially with the role he has claimed.
If anything, it makes me like him more he's not doing this. You can't always expect players to act the way you want them to and if you do let yourself to believe they're going to then you will likely end up getting burned. Instead of saying "I would expect Ryker to do something like this..." you should be saying "I wonder why Ryker is doing something like this..."
 

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I'm all for the Kantrip lynch and since Krys is making more posts (although none of them really hold any weighty content) it's a start while Kanty is more Dummy or Scummy and his lynch has more connections. Plus he has yet to provide any reasoning to his actions and decides to take the "come on guys, just listen to me pretty please." approach. MSF's case just solidifies my vote that Kanty is the best D1 lynch for a multitude of reasonings. On top of that, Kanty's response to Ranmaru's case is god awful with him "I am not responding, but you are still town even though everything that you said about me is wrong."

Unvote
Vote: Potassium
 

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I need to think about some things to be honest, I could say that I'm really not as certain as I want to be. I find myself having a hard time reading this game and trying to figure out the right direction. I really want to push J on actively ignorning this thread but I also have to consider every other player who is doing the same. I can't ****ing read you if you're not here, J. Post damnit.

Sigh

Delita, if you cannot get Gova, who is your second option?

Wow hello J
 

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I will go Kantrip if there is no other option and RF has responded. I'd rather take a gamble here then try and defend a slot that is already burying itself in the ground each post it makes.
 

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I'm a damn good ninja in mafia games.

Anyways, quit being so cautious Soup, vote Kantrip. The deadline is looming and your hesitancy is just stopping something that will most likely happen.
 

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@Soup:

I'm not ignoring Kantrip's meta, I'm keeping it in mind. People shouldn't be afraid of lynching him because he acts defensive alot, people should be looking in between the lines, and I feel I have done this and hope others can see what I see. His vote on Gova is telling because he isn't using the position he gained [sort of] to find scum. He's just laying low, and not trying as hard to find scum, as hard as he was trying to seem town in the beginning of the game; while just sheeping Delita and voting Gova due to one flimsy connection. His delay in re-visiting Delita isn't genuine to me, because I feel it has been long enough to cool off from that brash interaction he had with Delita. If he really cared about his scumread on Delita, he would go back to it and try to figure it out, yet he hasn't.
 

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Well I met an old man dying on a train
No more destination, no more pain
Well he said one thing, before I graduate
Never let your fear decide your fate
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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You're both terrible and I'm bad at reacting to peer pressure. I will stand my ground however and I refuse until RF responds.
 

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@Soup:

I'm not ignoring Kantrip's meta, I'm keeping it in mind. People shouldn't be afraid of lynching him because he acts defensive alot, people should be looking in between the lines, and I feel I have done this and hope others can see what I see. His vote on Gova is telling because he isn't using the position he gained [sort of] to find scum. He's just laying low, and not trying as hard to find scum, as hard as he was trying to seem town in the beginning of the game; while just sheeping Delita and voting Gova due to one flimsy connection. His delay in re-visiting Delita isn't genuine to me, because I feel it has been long enough to cool off from that brash interaction he had with Delita. If he really cared about his scumread on Delita, he would go back to it and try to figure it out, yet he hasn't.
I really like this post.

I'm not sure about Pot play but after the case being made it's a tab bit clearer decision but only if others are up for it because of time.

@soup, what exactly makes you want me as a play today? reasons, suspicions, etc... I'm not afraid to address those concerns. But only if you've got some reason for your intuition.

I'm willing to jump to the larger wagon between Gova and Kevin, still concerned on an concensus over Pot.
 

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There are only two votes on Gova, and three on KevinM.

There are two on Kantrip now, and there has been support and suspicions on Kantrip all day. I'm sure you can find a consensus for Kantrip, so:

Vote him. :cool:
 

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Soup do you think I AM Indy? What is that accomplishing?

J why are you lying about your active lurking?
 

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I don't know Kantrip, what are you accomplishing so far? :gova:
 

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Guarantee my answers won't affect your tunneling.
Your answer actually helps me.

Upon my townflip please start ignoring MSF and Lynch J.
 
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