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[JTB]

A replacement for RainbowFingers is being looked for.

 

[Lovably Adorable Kanine]

Vote: Kantrip

I'll add it and trust ya that is accurate.

 

[#HBC | J]

People REALLY need to stop giving me day vig and other people REALLY need to stop taunting me when I draw it.

I'm Ezreal, Town Poisoner. Every odd day phase I can target a player with Trueshot Barrage. They die at the end of the next odd day phase.

Hope you have good reaction time on that flash, boy-o.

I am going to tear into you when I get home.

My bad, he is a Day-phase Poisoner...odd. Nvm about my not believing it since this can be provable but still makes me scratch my head.

Ryker, have you chosen a target this day-phase?

 

[Lovably Adorable Kanine]

Too many town-null reads, not enough scum reads, I want a Kevin lynch.

 

[Delita]

Oh and a head's up we have 24 hours to get a lynch.

@Delita: It's not that I find meta useless, I just don't use it for 100% of my reasoning and call everyone else's reasoning dumb if it doesn't agree with meta, you yourself possess. You rely on it the most out of anyone I have seen.

A good example of how I use meta, I find your slot towny this game because this is the play of townAdumb that I was able to manipulate/lynch in Tekken mafia because of it's overuse of meta to justify their reasoning. However, meta was just a start, within your posts I feel more of a misguided town intent of someone who feels they have something they believe to be true that I don't agree to. (Ryker/Gova scum-team, Ryker is a 50/50 atm.) Your main consensus on Gova is meta and not actually his play this game. You have brought up 100% null tells on Gova since I can play in the Gova meta game. He hasn't done anything really indicative of his alignment and you want him gone because he not only "fits" into his scum-meta but also because he has chosen to defy you. You want Ryker gone for a similar reason because he is defending Gova and that he is threatening to poison you.

So, Adumb, I have a question. What do you make of players who are also defending Gova? Like myself.

Your reasoning on Gova is weak. Your reasoning on Ryker is weak. And your reasoning for not lynching Kantrip is weak. So, I apologize if I don't go your way but the thing is I find what you have stated not credible and I am just grouping you into the "town but not really listening to atm" category due to your insistency on things that don't really add up. You have Raziek backing you up which is probably influencing your town read on him (Besides the fact that you say you also have meta on Raziek that suggest he is town which I want to call bull, but disregarding that)

What I want to know from you, Delita, is your reads that are NOT Gova. I want to know your reads on Soup/KevinM/Krys/Inferno. We get you have a scum-read on Ryker/Gova and a town-read on Kantrip but that's all that is really going on with you.

Firstly, I'm less convinced of gova then I am of ryker. Ryker is protecting gova for a reason he has refused to ever explain and constantly offered people with the same behavior patterns as gova for lynching.

As soon as I mentioned gova, he automatically got defensive and he continued going further and further into this pattern.

The problem is, lynching ryker is a practical impossibility at this point, but at least a gova flip would give some basis for comparing ryker's behavior.


And yea, he is likely scum. He's been extremely wishy washy and has literally committed to NO FIRM STANCES in spite of the fact we managed to wring substantial communication out of him. Furthermore his behavior of panicking into spam-posting when scum is known. The best he said out of Raz is "I like his way of thinking, I guess".

Bonus: Even if he's town, if he's actually hated that means that lylo is a day earlier.

 

[Delita]

As far as my personal play, well, I was right wasn't I? My meta on swiss has been consistently accurate and frankly my relatively uninformed opinion on you was merely icing on the cake. In fact the mistake I made was trying to cold-read kuz, that is what allowed you to push my lynch through (and that I had to go inactive for a bit).

So my method is bad pr, it's not ineffective at all and if you think I'm town maybe you should try reading into my thought process.

This isn't the only case, I've shown startling consistency in reliable identification of noob-town, especially ones I've watched or played with before. Bioware mafia, in your game it was Ranmaru, I can name endless examples because I recognize the patterns of how noobtown think.


As far as Raz, I had him town when he was still at my throat.



Irony, you're metaing me here for your read.

 

[Kantrip]

My role is practically useless if claimed, but I already botched it.

Yes, I was trying hard to look townie this game. It fell through fast but it was my goal to ask a lot of questions and be townie and hopefully draw a NK at some point.

I am Singed, Town Commuter. Ability is called Insanity Potion. I see no point in sharing if there's any restrictions on when I commute.

J scum for UTDZac playing very newbscummy. Lots of null reads and fence sitting even when asked direct questions. J came in and doesn't feel genuine, just please look into him this slot is my strongest scum read but I'm on my phone and as I said life is hectic so I really don't have time....

I still think Raz, LAK, MSF, Delita, and maybe soup are town.

Wary of Ryker, dislike Gova, got a lot of nulls in the inactives.

 

[Kantrip]

Kill Gova before LyLo obvs

 

[Kantrip]

In case it swings that way

Vote Gova

 

[Mastermind Super Fiend]

Why is Delita town, instead of your very first scumread on him? Please go into that.

 

[Kantrip]

Re-evaluated my read. My original thing of him not being genuine and not questioning soup fell through because he actually was looking at soul's alignment I found upon reread. So my original qualm was erased and I have liked what the slot has had to say. I would go in specifics but this phone.

Also crumbed "Commuter" in my first 4 posts. First two letters of each post.

"Confirming..." "Mmmm..." "UTDZac..." and "Errr ..."

 

[Lovably Adorable Kanine]

Commuter huh?

anyone seen a scum commuter before?

 

[Mastermind Super Fiend]

So, what other champs did you pick, and why? (Why on Singed too)

Are you full town commuter, or x-shot, or something? Go into detail about "Insanity Poison"

What is this about not sharing?

@Red Ryu: Never. I hear it's a good fake claim for scum, since it could explain them not being targetted. (not being night killed, blocking, etc)

What do you think

 

[Kantrip]

Man I don't even remember. I picked Riven and Zilean and had Malph/Kennen is my extra 2 I think. Singed is one of my fave champs is why, same with all of my picks. Went for who I like over trying to Meta roles. Why do you care when I can commute?
ALSO WHAT CONNECTIONS DO YOU HAVE FOR MY TOWNFLIP? WHAT CONCLUSIONS DO YOU DRAW? STOP AVOIDING THIS QUESTION.

 

[Kantrip]

Flavour is I'm a troll pick, Insanity Potion makes me run really fast so no one can target me with anything while it's active.

Don't let MSF get away with not answering my question. He said he gets lots of connections on my flip. I want that **** laid out or they can be scum.

 

[#HBC | J]

I ****ing hate my gut.

Unvote

For now.

 

[Kantrip]

J get the **** rid of that for now qualifier. Hard stance RIGHT NOW. Do not sit the fence.

 

[Mastermind Super Fiend]

Because I'm trying to verify your claim. What is your problem with giving that information?

Yes, we got alot from you if you flip scum.

Soup
Delita
Raz
Ryker

etc

Town?

Krystal.

That's about it. Keep in mind we aren't lynching you solely due to connections, this is also in addition to your scumminess in thread. Yet you have the most, especially if you flip scum.

Gova, compared to you, only gives one, and isn't really suspicious.

 

[Kantrip]

That was so grimy because it lets you put your vote back on later but gets town points if you don't need to and you can be seen as not on my Lynch.

@MSF: **** YOU. TELL ME WHAT YOU GET IF I FLIP TOWN HOLY ****. And not just which players, what does it TELL you about those players. Are you dense?

 

[Kantrip]

I will be commuting toNight if I am alive. Verify all you want. I am not stating any restrictions other than that.

 

[#HBC | J]

J get the **** rid of that for now qualifier. Hard stance RIGHT NOW. Do not sit the fence.

You are incredibly annoying this game, Kanty. As soon as I start thinking about going your direction you try and berate me with going for a qualifier? You do realize I unvoted you and not re-voted you, corect?

My stance on you is Dummy or Scummy. I am leaning more Dummy at the moment after your latest posts and rethinking things. A big reason is we have very similar reads at the moment (sans the RazTown and the Jscum*which is still a bull**** OMGUS from you*) plus my gut is telling me to not lynch you and my gut is usually very right when it is this strong so I don't want to go against it for now.

However, you make it very hard for me to not want to just lynch you just to not have you in the game digging yourself into a bigger hole the rest of the game because you are never going to be the target of the NK.

And also excuse me for a second but I have not had "fence sitting" reads at all. The only 2 reads I am on the fence about are you and Ryker. I feel at least one scum may be in you two and looking at Ryker more than you at the moment but the thing is, his lynch is improbable with 22 hours left in the day-phase.

 

[Gova]

And yea, he is likely scum. He's been extremely wishy washy and has literally committed to NO FIRM STANCES in spite of the fact we managed to wring substantial communication out of him. Furthermore his behavior of panicking into spam-posting when scum is known. The best he said out of Raz is "I like his way of thinking, I guess".

Bonus: Even if he's town, if he's actually hated that means that lylo is a day earlier.

Whoa, more lies. I don't panic post fyi, you talk bs about understanding how a player thinks but you'll always be wrong about that because you can't know how I think. It's just your projection on to me which is wrong. I have literally 2 scum games under my belt and that's it. And in both of those games I didn't "panic" post, I remained collected at all times.

 

[#HBC | J]

Gova, buddy, tell me who you would lynch if you had the chance? Your vote is very...nonexistant this game and I'd love to see it somewhere.

 

[Mastermind Super Fiend]

J, why did you unvote? What exactly about Kantry is making you not want to be on him?

Kantrip, there is only so far I can go with connections. I don't think you will flip town, the only thing I'd see if you did, would be that you didn't play well. For example, your read on Delita, I feel you could have done better if you kept that up.

Thing is, I don't see how you as town would jump to conclusions with Delita. So I don't know what you expect me to see besides that you played very badly.

 

[Kantrip]

Yeah I don't like Ryker either but whatevs.

What was the 'for now' for, seriously? We need a different Lynch to go through if mine doesn't, so if you aren't going to commit to that you may as well stay on me.

I think Ryker is a good cop candidate. Soup too.

 

[Mastermind Super Fiend]

Also, if you are town, why would you agree to lynching Gova just for connections? How does that help you in finding scum?

 

[Kantrip]

Well MSF I am flipping town so your whole connection point is going right down the drain. You pretty clearly said you would have connections but no you say you won't?

Probably retracting TOWNMSF read.

 

[Kantrip]

Did you not read my reads or just ********?

 

[#HBC | J]

J, why did you unvote? What exactly about Kantry is making you not want to be on him?

Kantrip, there is only so far I can go with connections. I don't think you will flip town, the only thing I'd see if you did, would be that you didn't play well. For example, your read on Delita, I feel you could have done better if you kept that up.

Thing is, I don't see how you as town would jump to conclusions with Delita. So I don't know what you expect me to see besides that you played very badly.

The double bolded is the answer. The thing with Kantrip is that I thought he would be much better than the way he is acting as town. This game he is going balls to the walls insane with the tiniest amount of pressure and knee-jerk reactions to being called scum and his "**** YOU ALL." attitude that pretty much made me want to call him scum.

Here's a better way to put it. I really really really really really REALLY want Kantrip to be scum, but I think I am forcing what I want to be more than what actually is the case in terms of Kantrip. Bottom line, he is playing a terribad game and probably one of his worst games I have ever seen from him. I just don't get why he is doing what he is doing. He is being directly anti-town.

That's actually a question I would like you to answer. What is the difference of Anti-Town Kantrip and Scummy Kantrip. Reviewing your case I see it more as a "look at all these anti-town things" instead of "look at all these scummy things.".

 

[Mastermind Super Fiend]

My case isn't based on 'look, he did scummy things' it's about 'I think this is to benefit him as scum, and here is why I think so'. For example, yes, on the surface he can be anti-town or suspicious, but I am looking at WHY he is doing so.

For example, I want you to tell me, how him jumping to the conclusion that Delita was scum, is somehow town mindsided and why. I also want you to tell me why you think he voted Gova, and never came back to Delita.

Also, have you stated this before, when voting along?

 

[#HBC | J]

Yeah I don't like Ryker either but whatevs.

What was the 'for now' for, seriously? We need a different Lynch to go through if mine doesn't, so if you aren't going to commit to that you may as well stay on me.

I think Ryker is a good cop candidate. Soup too.

Quit getting so heated up. Your emotions are seriously getting the better of you. The "for now" was up to whether my feelings would stay the same or the fact that I may have to vote you to still secure a lynch for toDay. You are definitely a good lynch to have instead of a NL and I doubt many people can disagree to that notion.

If we need a different lynch, then why aren't you offering an alternative yourself? I'm sorry but it is annoying me when you are having this little pity party of one for yourself but you are doing nothing but wallow in your own sadness about how your lynch would be dumb. So what do you do? You go onto Delita's Gova wagon "just in case" it goes through. Then you tell me "Might as well just stay on me."

Ugh.

 

[Kantrip]

Gova pros
-could be scum
-hated, so even if town has to be lynched before lylo anyways
-minor point: connections
-inactive
-role is risky

Kantrip pros
-apparently no connections
-better than a NL
-I guess my role is useless now

Look at it from my perspective. I can't swing a J or Ryker Lynch, Gova is the best option.

 

[Mastermind Super Fiend]

Kantrip, are you saying there are connections to Gova if he flips town? Or Scum?

 

[#HBC | J]

My case isn't based on 'look, he did scummy things' it's about 'I think this is to benefit him as scum, and here is why I think so'. For example, yes, on the surface he can be anti-town or suspicious, but I am looking at WHY he is doing so.

For example, I want you to tell me, how him jumping to the conclusion that Delita was scum, is somehow town mindsided and why. I also want you to tell me why you think he voted Gova, and never came back to Delita.

Also, have you stated this before, when voting along?

He voted to cover his own *** and throw extra fire into the Gova bandwagon in hopes of staying alive.

I have stated before that Kanty is dummy vs. scummy for me and that I was fighting with my gut earlier.

W.r.t. your case it is more of a one-sided view of why he would do things. You did not seem to consider the other side of the coin like what if he actually is town?

 

[Kantrip]

Yes there are.
J, Gova is my alternative.
Phone is dying,
Peace and pikachus.

 

[#HBC | J]

Gova pros
-could be scum
-hated, so even if town has to be lynched before lylo anyways
-minor point: connections
-inactive
-role is risky

Kantrip pros
-apparently no connections
-better than a NL
-I guess my role is useless now

Look at it from my perspective. I can't swing a J or Ryker Lynch, Gova is the best option.

"Could be scum" could be put to anyone. Hated is valid. Connection, you have more connections than Gova. You have been one of the most talked about slots this game so I don't want to hear the "apparently no connections" thing. Inactive? What makes him worse than Krys/Inferno?

And get out of here with that "can't swing this" BS. It's not that hard to swing lynches.

Your problem is that you haven't even explained your J or Ryker scum-lynches. You said you were about to make a case on me than dissappeared. So yeah, I have no reason why you think I am scum, for plausible reasons. I have no clue why you find Ryker sketchy either.

 

[Kantrip]

Said "apparently no connections" because I have been asking for MSF to lay out what connections he gets on my town flip and he has given me NOTHING.

I don't have the tools to make a case right now, that's why I can't swing your lynch or Ryker's lynch with under 24 hours left or whatever we have.

"Could be scum" can be put to anyone except for oneself. I know that I am town, therefore from my perspective (which that was in) I cannot call that a possibility.

The fact that Gova is hated is great incentive to go for him as a fallback. The fact that I don't like his slot, he has been doing nothing, and his lynch gives us strong insight on both Delita and Ryker just adds icing to the cake.

 

[Lovably Adorable Kanine]

It can be verified he is a commuter if someone targets him tonight an he 100% agrees to commute tonight.

That much is sure.

So we got a hated guy who hands out doubles votes vs another guy who commutes.

 

[Lovably Adorable Kanine]

Well gonna wait til tomarrow to talk to John about this, claim is relevant.

Will be back tomarrow.

 

[Krystedez]

In order preference on lynches...

Kevin > Gova > Pot

I voted Pot mostly to get my vote off of Kanine, but particularly to show my initial distaste for his original earrly posts.

I'll be available up until deadline to keep reading. I would hope you guys are too. At this point I really think it comes down to who's case we feel is more appealing.