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[#HBC | Ryker]

Ryker, why is Raz town to you?

It's not so much that he's town, but that he's not scum. I have him leaning town because he's genuinely trying to make things happen (read: Delita and Gova pushes respectively), but the people calling him scum for his Delita push are ********. Not a play for today.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I will go Kantrip over Kevin, but I'm not voting him until I see if Kevin wagon has enough support to lynch.

 

[Mastermind Super Fiend]

Ok, thank you.

 

[Mastermind Super Fiend]

Rainbow Fingers: Real talk, catch up today, or sheep my case, or GET THE FUG OUT! (Deadline is tommorow you baka )

 

[#HBC | J]

J why are you lying about your active lurking?

I'm not lying and I actually am here and have been posting content at least every day since I have been here. Just because I am not here making a post after every other post does not mean I am not active. I'm just doing other things besides mafia so don't try and pull the active lurking card.

So instead of little quips and defeatist attitude, why not make a reads post for us to have in case you are actually town instead of just playing the pity card as your final defense?

Ryker, put my name down for not wanting KevinM's lynch.

 

[Mastermind Super Fiend]

Kantrip, also add to that: Answers to questions in my case.

 

[Krystedez]

I'm here.

Still not sure what do.

Moving vote over to Kantrip for now. Most fleshed case imo with someone that is actually alive here to explain it/ back it.

Vote: Potassium/Kantrip

 

[Mastermind Super Fiend]

Can you bold it?

 

[Krystedez]

I have no idea why it is italics.

OFc Im playing league atm LOL

Vote: Potassium/Kantrip

 

[Delita]

What the **** are you rejects doing


Why would you vote for Kantrip.


We have less than 24 hours for a deadline and Gova is an obvious lynch.

He has literally been directly defended by Ryker, it fits his scum meta to a T, he has ADMITTED TO PLAYING SOLELY TO SURVIVE WHILE POSTING AS LITTLE CONTENT AS POSSIBLE.

What the **** is wrong with you that you would vote for a stupid person instead of a scummy person.

 

[Mastermind Super Fiend]

Because he is scum. Why don't you actually look at my case if you have a problem with it, instead of yelling at us trying to make us look dumb?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Replace us out


ugh the ****...

 

[Mastermind Super Fiend]

Thank you, Zonie. <3

 

[Delita]

Ranmaru, have you read britches and hoes mafia?


This is literally kantrip's play, t for t. Aggressive posturing, aggressive positioning, hard push on idiotic stance and getting substantially more quiet and re-evaluating after being cowed.


Fyi, if you're really interested in why I unvoted, it was to make a point to OS that a lynch on kantrip was unacceptable.



Meanwhile gova has said nothing of substance beyond a roleclaim.

Meanwhile ryker will accept literally any lynch not named gova, including players with the exact same activity pattern.

Ryker needs to die more, but gova definitely needs to die, he's literally doing exactly what he said in his hypothetical, going inactive and letting ryker and the crush of other inactives/stupid players protect him.


Look, I knew this player list was mediocre at best, but come the f*** on, this is just gheb's newbie game all over again.

 

[Delita]

You mean THIS case?

Kantrip's actions over the whole game:

• Tried really hard to be pro-active early RVS
• Tries to get a good position early game, yet doesn't do anything useful with it in general.
• Jumped to conclusion without thinking what the person was really doing in the first place
• Is playing very differently in comparison with his other meta
• Backtracking in post #297
• Proposes that possible scum intent was for Delita pushing a mislynch on Soup, yet says it wasn't an argument and I feel this is a backtrack (Post #231)
• Hasn't been as pro-active as he has been in the early game, now he is just sheeping Delita, who he is still null on. (Hasn't given a new stance on Delita yet)

KANTRIP IS EXACTLY PLAYING HIS META. AS IN 100%.

That's the entire reason the beginning of the game went as it did. That's why I made a post that insulted him openly. I literally have a post in my quick topic with adumb saying "let's piss off Kantrip and see how he reacts" because anyone who has played games with Kantrip knows he reacts incredibly negatively to pressure. He has literally replaced out of games because people made him feel bad.

He does this as town. Not as scum.

He acted pro-active early game and then shut the hell up because people called him out for being an idiot. I'm glad he's not being pro-active, otherwise I'd have to deal with you AND him.

Kantrip's Arguments:
Soup v Kantrip

Soup Coaches Kantrip, entices him to prove him wrong
States he may unvote (because he isn't interested in anyone who is active at the current time) before Kantrip responds to him
He says that Kantrip is being really aggressive, and is very willing to make Delita Scum of the month
Kantrip replies, giving self-meta and states that he is feigning confidence, and starts to backtrack with his Scumita read. (Saying that it was REACHING, but was fine with it because he sees it as a way of forcing stances out of other players)
The arguing keeps going, Soup goes into how he is scared about being wrong, and Kantrip goes into self-meta and how his confidence is always low.

Overall, I feel this interaction goes no where and only helps Soup to get a better opinion of Kantrip, yet was coaching and encouraging Kantrip to prove his scumread on him wrong in the first place. Kantrip had a null due to meta. So this was a waste of an argument.

Delita v Kantrip

Delita accuses Kantrip of showing a confidence of Soup's alignment
Kantrip replies stating he wasn't using the scenario of Delitascum to support his reasoning
Delita votes Kantrip for being stupid
Kantrip starts acting emotionally towards Delita for calling him stupid, which I feel is an overreaction
Delita other head unvotes Kantrip, and proceeds to re-direct pressure to Gova, who they haven't talked about, nor had a problem with content wise. This seems sudden and out of place.

So far, all explained by "Kantrip is stupid".

Again, our vote for Gova has been explained multiple times. We kept at it and were proven correct by Gova himself.

Delita argues that they feel a vote is a resource, yet they didn't let it sit and 'be resourceful' on Kantrip. I find this inconsistent with their view on that.

Why? Why would we keep voting for Kantrip? We think he is town because he is acting like an idiot.


NO ONE HERE LIKES KANTRIP. No one. Not a single person is saying "Man, Kantrip sure is helpful". No one came to his rescue. No one ever will. Because he's town and he's playing poorly and is a really, really, really easy target.

When we found out he was town, we moved on. There was only a small handful of players we could do anything about, and Gova was one of them. We know Gova.

Kantrip then proceeds to say that he is going to drop the argument since he realized it won't do any good.

I feel this interaction didn't do anything but: Have Delita conclude that Kantrip is very stupid, and then vote Gova within the argument as a backburner vote. The argument didn't help them in anyway, it just helped Kantrip realize that he was stupid, and it helped Kantrip drop the argument.


I don't even know what this means. I spent post after post after post explaining to him why his posts didn't make any sense.

Conclusion:
I feel Kantrip overall has been trying to seem town to get a good position in the game (as scum), yet backfired because he was too hasty in accusing Delita by jumping to conclusions. He mentions that Delita wasn't trying to discern his alignment, when Delita openly stated that he didn't feel strongly about either him or Soup, so he was attributing a fake intention to Delita, who was openly saying he was just questioning soup. Kantrip later on doesn't ever re-visit his read on Delita, and just sheeps onto Gova.

The ONLY WAY that this above paragraph makes sense is if you think I am town, Kantrip is scum, and Kantrip is avoiding me out of fear.

Here's a big problem with that:

I'm not hunting Kantrip. I never was after our initial talk, to his knowledge.

This is why I feel Kantrip is scum. This is the best D1 lynch, due to scumminess, and connections. Everyone that is afraid of him being derp town, look harder and ask yourself:

1. Why is Kantrip playing differently here than in other games?

He isn't, you slack-jawed nobody. Gova is and IT IS EXACTLY AS HE PLAYED WHEN HE WAS SCUM.

2. Has he done anything productive (other than sheeping)

A hell of a lot more than Gova.

3. Has he re-evaluated his stances in a genuine manner?

He MADE stances when Gova has made NONE.

So, vote Kantrip guys.
Vote: Kantrip

No. Vote Gova.



Seriously, I hate to pull the authority card here but Ran and Summoner?

They've picked out the most visible poster Day one who has panicked and acting stupid all game and waited until RIGHT BEFORE DEADLINE and said that they're scummy. They have no idea what Kantrip's meta is, as evidenced by the post above.

They are playing poorly.

If we lynch Gova and he's scum, we get a clear lynch on Ryker.


We lynch Kantrip and he's scum?

What then?

We lynch Kantrip and he's town?

What then?


No one has defended Kantrip. No one cares about Kantrip. The lynch wasn't brought up until the very last minute so anyone voting Kantrip right now could easily be scum bussing their partner and we would have zero reasoning for them whatsoever.


You don't even have anyone else's reasons for voting Kantrip. You accuse Kantrip of just sheeping my Gova vote (despite not responding to my case on Gova) and then actually tell people "SHEEP ONTO MY CASE"


Gova needs to go toDay. Kantrip is dumb town. He overreacts and has a temper tantrum every game that he is town because there's always someone like us to push his buttons. EVERY GAME. When he's scum he doesn't do it.

Put your ****ing thinking caps on for a second.

 

[Mastermind Super Fiend]

Nope. I have played with Kantrip before to know that this is very different, yet that isn't the foundation of my case on him.

I also don't like how you are downplaying Kantrip's play as just 'being stupid'. Kantrip is better than that and we all know that.

 

[Delita]

Nope. I have played with Kantrip before to know that this is very different, yet that isn't the foundation of my case on him.

I also don't like how you are downplaying Kantrip's play as just 'being stupid'. Kantrip is better than that and we all know that.

In what universe?

 

[Mastermind Super Fiend]

I'm sorry, I'm not convinced by your bull**** Gova case. I'm not convinced that you randomly attacked Gova, but actually really came up with the idea in your Hydra QT. I'm not going to lynch someone based of a unfounded connection. I will lynch someone for their own individual actions.

Of course I have an idea of Kantrip's meta. You are blatantly ignoring my own experiences with Kantrip. Others can see it too. You, are ignoring it on purpose, which is very telling. If he flips scum, I'll come after you. I don't care about your authority, and I'm sure others like Ryker can see what I see, regardless of my skill.

Kantrip is playing differently here. I have already explained how, yet you never really went into that, did ya?

Now let me quote something for you:

 

[Mastermind Super Fiend]

You're relying on your hypothetical situation to carry your argument however.

Given that forcing people to take stances that a scum would eventually have to violate is a tactic favored by both myself and OS, your only remaining evidence is the scenario itself. So either it's circular, or non-existent.

If it's simply a gut read, just say it, pretending it has actual reasoning behind it only serves to confuse town.

In the red, you state an action that can possibly be scum motivation coming from Kantrip, yet in the YellowGreen, you give Kantrip the benefit of the doubt, by allowing him to make up his own explanation. (Basically it's like you were giving him an answer to your argument)

 

[Delita]

I'm sorry, I'm not convinced by your bull**** Gova case. I'm not convinced that you randomly attacked Gova, but actually really came up with the idea in your Hydra QT. I'm not going to lynch someone based of a unfounded connection. I will lynch someone for their own individual actions.

Of course I have an idea of Kantrip's meta. You are blatantly ignoring my own experiences with Kantrip. Others can see it too. You, are ignoring it on purpose, which is very telling. If he flips scum, I'll come after you. I don't care about your authority, and I'm sure others like Ryker can see what I see, regardless of my skill.

Kantrip is playing differently here. I have already explained how, yet you never really went into that, did ya?

Now let me quote something for you:

Where did it say that we discussed gova in the hydra QT before I voted and decided to pressure him?


Let's start with that.

 

[Mastermind Super Fiend]

Depends on which head you talk to, the past few posts were Adumb's. I know it'll be worth it to town, which is what is important.

I agree with him on the Gova pressure though; the reason we haven't showed any signs of it is because you can't read our hydra QT. Posting about it in here during the kantrip/soup talk wouldn't have done much good.

Here you go.

 

[Delita]

I told 'em in the response to his BS case above.

Paraphrased: that Gova's the only one visibly playing the fence, so it would be a good place to start. I'd really like it if we could get Ryker to converse with Gova and kill two birds with one stone, assuming they aren't both scum.

 

[Delita]

Hell, I even posted a chart specifically noting that Gova was a unique entity and then brought him up specifically with Ryker.

 

[Delita]

I'm sorry, I'm not convinced by your bull**** Gova case. I'm not convinced that you randomly attacked Gova, but actually really came up with the idea in your Hydra QT. I'm not going to lynch someone based of a unfounded connection. I will lynch someone for their own individual actions.

Of course I have an idea of Kantrip's meta. You are blatantly ignoring my own experiences with Kantrip. Others can see it too. You, are ignoring it on purpose, which is very telling. If he flips scum, I'll come after you. I don't care about your authority, and I'm sure others like Ryker can see what I see, regardless of my skill.

Kantrip is playing differently here. I have already explained how, yet you never really went into that, did ya?

Now let me quote something for you:

Kantrip isn't playing differently.

Show me the game. LINK me to the game where he was scum and did this.

 

[Delita]

In the red, you state an action that can possibly be scum motivation coming from Kantrip, yet in the YellowGreen, you give Kantrip the benefit of the doubt, by allowing him to make up his own explanation. (Basically it's like you were giving him an answer to your argument)

Did you not read any of my posts?

Do you not understand why I was talking with Kantrip in the first place, what my goal was?

Do you not understand why we have a town read on kantrip now?




You learn absolutely nothing from Kantrip. Nothing. None of Kantrip's actions are anything but him being a stupid townie. There is no reason Kantrip is a viable option whatsoever and the only people currently voting him are inactives that don't do anything.

 

[Delita]

I'm going to bed.


Don't embarass yourself by listening to MSF. It seems easier to listen to him until you realize it's actually Ranmaru or Summoner in all the posts.

 

[#HBC | J]

Delita's case's (Gova/Ryker) and anti-cases(Kantrip/Raz) are all about meta. It is almost 100% adumb doing most of the posting.

 

[Mastermind Super Fiend]

@Delita:

I'm saying his town game. This is why I am saying, that he is playing uncharacteristic in comparison to his town play. Yet it is actually Kantrip being suspicious. He has tried to act town, and then hasn't gone back to his scum stance on you. He hasn't been doing anything else but laying low and only responding when people mention him.

Also nice try discrediting my name to deflect people off of Kantrip. People are listening to me because I have put out some strong reasoning towards Kantrip scum. Not just because I seem like some random guy. Also consider you are in a hydra yourself, so why aren't people listening to you then? (Because you aren't bring down the facts *shrug*)

 

[Mastermind Super Fiend]

EBWOP: *Bringing down the facts

 

[#HBC | J]

No one has defended Kantrip. No one cares about Kantrip. The lynch wasn't brought up until the very last minute so anyone voting Kantrip right now could easily be scum bussing their partner and we would have zero reasoning for them whatsoever.

This isn't true at all. You, yourself, have defended Kantrip and so has Raziek. Soup has played wiffle-waffle on this slot all day-phase, pushed him and then backed off. The lynch wasn't brought up to last minute and your discrediting of this wagon just to get your way on a piss-poor Gova case is terribad.

 

[Delita]

Here you go.

...

Apparently OS misunderstood the timeframe of when I posted the gova compared to when I started discussing it in a hydra topic because we did discuss it at length before he posted it that.


I did correct this before, explaining that I chose to pressure gova because after I unvoted kantrip I reread looking for a useful place to put pressure. Gova made me uncomfortable.

 

[Delita]

Delita's case's (Gova/Ryker) and anti-cases(Kantrip/Raz) are all about meta. It is almost 100% adumb doing most of the posting.

OS believes in meta too, in fact you're pretty much the only person in dgames that seems to think it's useless. I just relie on it a lot more heavily then others.


And why shouldn't I, mafia is about UNDERSTANDING HOW PEOPLE THINK! What better window do you have then people's prior play.

 

[Mastermind Super Fiend]

Yes, mafia is about understanding people, yet it isn't about giving people a free pass without considering their true intent, like I mention in my #699.

 

[#HBC | J]

Oh and a head's up we have 24 hours to get a lynch.

@Delita: It's not that I find meta useless, I just don't use it for 100% of my reasoning and call everyone else's reasoning dumb if it doesn't agree with meta, you yourself possess. You rely on it the most out of anyone I have seen.

A good example of how I use meta, I find your slot towny this game because this is the play of townAdumb that I was able to manipulate/lynch in Tekken mafia because of it's overuse of meta to justify their reasoning. However, meta was just a start, within your posts I feel more of a misguided town intent of someone who feels they have something they believe to be true that I don't agree to. (Ryker/Gova scum-team, Ryker is a 50/50 atm.) Your main consensus on Gova is meta and not actually his play this game. You have brought up 100% null tells on Gova since I can play in the Gova meta game. He hasn't done anything really indicative of his alignment and you want him gone because he not only "fits" into his scum-meta but also because he has chosen to defy you. You want Ryker gone for a similar reason because he is defending Gova and that he is threatening to poison you.

So, Adumb, I have a question. What do you make of players who are also defending Gova? Like myself.

Your reasoning on Gova is weak. Your reasoning on Ryker is weak. And your reasoning for not lynching Kantrip is weak. So, I apologize if I don't go your way but the thing is I find what you have stated not credible and I am just grouping you into the "town but not really listening to atm" category due to your insistency on things that don't really add up. You have Raziek backing you up which is probably influencing your town read on him (Besides the fact that you say you also have meta on Raziek that suggest he is town which I want to call bull, but disregarding that)

What I want to know from you, Delita, is your reads that are NOT Gova. I want to know your reads on Soup/KevinM/Krys/Inferno. We get you have a scum-read on Ryker/Gova and a town-read on Kantrip but that's all that is really going on with you.

 

[Lovably Adorable Kanine]

Did Kantrip claim at all? I skimmed.

 

[#HBC | J]

W.r.t. the Ryker 50/50 thing I said, I should explain. Ryker to me a very off this game. My gut is telling me that he is scum while the other half of me is that I am just not getting his motives for his actions. He is picking the weirdest things to comment/talk about and when he is talking about his reads, they don't make sense. The most notable one is his read on KevinM about him wanting to lynch him for literally no reason besides the fact that KevinM isn't here. Then there is his wishy-washy read on Raz which didn't do much for me. He says he is leaning town but just was like "Eh." about it. The only read I really understand is his Gova read and that is more because I was re-reading the situation a bit more in detail. There is a part of me that also wants to say a bit of the argument for Gova to stay alive has to deal with the fact that Delita is a factor because of who are in the hydra but that's just a conspiracy theory for me.

I would like Ryker to explain KevinM in more detail because I am actually leaning to agree with what KevinM has been posting. I don't like that Inferno has only been coming up when his name has been mentioned and nothing KevinM has said has been directly scummy.

If I could, I would have something happen to Ryker so it would make things much more certain but I feel by toMorrow's Day Phase I will have a better lock on his slot based on his play.

He is like my weakest of my scum-reads and ranks probably 3rd/4th in terms of who I would want to lynch based off play alone (not activity).

 

[Mastermind Super Fiend]

@RR: No, he didn't.

 

[Lovably Adorable Kanine]

As it stands right now, we would vote Kantrip over Gova and would prefer it over a NL.

But we want to see a vote count and a possible Kantrip claim first.

@Mod: Request Vote Count.

 

[#HBC | J]

Did Kantrip claim at all? I skimmed.

Nope. The only ones who have claimed are Gova Ryker.

Gova, Sona, Hated Double Voter
Ryker, Odd-Night Poisoner (which I don't buy, personally)

 

[#HBC | J]

Kantrip (3): MSF, J, Krystedez

That is all who is on him RR, with 7 being the final vote number.