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[#HBC | Ryker]

Cause he's so damn cute.

 

[Gova]

Also, cause I usually give him my vote.

 

[Raziek]

Gova, you didn't explain your read on MSF despite me specifically asking you to. Please do so, you really don't have much to your credit at the moment.

 

[Raziek]

MSF's post didn't rustle me as much as I thought, upon actually reading it. I skimmed it the first time and saw "4 scum" and went "whaaaaaaaaaaat???"

Quoting and ****, as well as a formal readlist & lynchpool from me once I get home.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

For the record, I'll actually answer you when I get a chance.

 

[Delita]

You have butted heads with me. I've said you're wrong, detrimental to the game, playing in a way that is intentionally anti-town, and I am going to shoot you before the day ends if I have to do it from a phone while I'm carrying a casket.

Hardly an optimal play.

That being said, regardless of your alignment, the directions you are pushing have been fine by me until now when you have Gova on top of your lynch list when I think UTDJ, Kevin, and Inferno should be there.

So, to clarify, you've been fine with what I'm pushing for until I have Gova on top of my lynch list when you have others?

And you want to shoot me for that?


That's odd... when did you say you wanted to shoot me first?

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=14960396#post14960396

Well, you said earlier but I don't have to go back very far. It's right BEFORE I showed my list.

So you're lying when you said you were fine with the directions I was going or you're being incredibly erratic.

As for me, I HAVE been snooping around. However, the main thing I saw was overlooked replaced out of the game, you apparently don't want to work with me, and Kevin elaboration requests like Morello dodges forum questions.

Don't want to work with you? I gave you some very clear questions and instructions and upon the initial discussion with you your response was that it wouldn't be worth it to talk to me.

This is so lame. Inferno, J, and Kantrip all on this while I am not. What did you think of UTDZack's response to me (not the original post I voted him for)?

Which post?

Out of curiosity, what is it that makes you think that the three you mentioned are better lynches than Inferno? In particular, Rainbow and Krys. I seem to remember you liking Rainbow Fingers more than certain people at the time of that chart.

I know Inferno well, and he's been posting more recently. He also wasn't hiding early on but rather was completely absent. There is a difference. Rainbow disappeared very early on, as has Krys (he was even prodded). I'm not interested in playing catch-up and am totally fine with one of those two going if we don't have a better lynch option.

This seems so terribly arbitrary to me. Your lynchpool includes me, Kevin, and three slots that are not around at the moment and the main reason you want to call him town enough is because he didn't get any legitimate backup? The same thing is there with Raz as well, although not as much because I'd throw Raz a rope in all likelihood. Of that group of five, three were not here to help and there are two that I do not believe that you would think wouldn't let him flounder.

Pardon? The main reason I'm fine leaving Kantrip out is because of his reaction to pressure, as plainly stated in what you quoted.

What in the world does this mean?

My very first mafia game here was with KevinM and I have been in many other games with him since. He is playing this game differently and, more importantly, buddying me. That's really weird. It's a pretty straight forward statement.

Still want you to identify why, but why aren't Kevin and J on that list?

J just replaced in and has posted nothing yet. I have no way to discern his alignment at this time but a potential of activity. There are others that I cannot discern an alignment to but cannot see activity in their future.

KevinM has been weird, but present and not scummy per se. Weird enough to where he could be at the bottom of the list on a later day, but toDay? Better options and he doesn't give me the heebiejeebies as much as others do.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Soup
Post #305

I don't like that soup mentions he'll unvote Kantrip before even getting a response from him. It shows he already has a read on Kantrip in mind before Kanty can ever respond, and this means that there argument was going on for nothing.

Kantrip already responded to what I wanted him to respond to. Did you even read my post there?

 

[Delita]

Anyway, Gova should go today.

Vote: Gova


"Something bad could happen" if he's left alive, has been straddling the fence all game, Ryker is painstakingly protective of him, and he has contributed no content worthwhile. For the connection to Ryker alone I am interested.

If someone else has a better idea, bring it out, but Gova seems to be the optimal route to me. Scummy play and connections to unknown entities is a good play in my book.

 

[Delita]

@mod request votecount

 

[KevinM]

Inferno should go.

Govas breadcrumb irks me

Rykers play is townish but kinda dumb

Don't know why RAZ is getting a pass.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Thought you were quoting my other post. It still stands and I had a read on Kantrip based on how he was responding. Recall what I said about Kantrip being Kantrip. The interaction with Delita is just icing on the cake.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Soup
Post #377

What? Kantrip is town for a temper tantrum, why? Also Kantrip being Kantrip doesn't cut it yo. Do you agree with my reasoning on Kantrip in my #299?

Didn't even read it if you want an honest answer. I haad my own reasoning on Kantrip and more and more I found myself questioning it. I stuck to it for the sake of consistency and the other reasoning laid out.

I heard something about illuminati regarding you so I'm sure that will be fun to read.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Soup scum. He isn't as erratic as I would expect him to be as scum, yet I have a feeling that this is because his scumteam is a bit more organized than usual. (I'll go into this in the Delita Aisle) The reason why I feel he is scum is that his push and pull on Kantrip doesn't seem genuine to me. He states his opinion of Kantrip as a player and even tells him that he is going to unvote him, and encourages him to prove him wrong on his scumread. This shows he already has no scumread in mind because he's already changing his own mind without the need of an argument to convince him. He asks others their opinion on my slot yet he never even states his own on mine, and never gives a conclusion to his 'why did you ignore my list, Ran' interaction. That is the only reason for my scumread on Soup at this time. This is not usual ScumSoup, which is why I feel it's due to him being branched with a stronger scumplayer orchestrating the plays. He is a lower priority to me yet makes sense in association to Kantrip and Delita.

I don't see your problem here, nor your argument. I pushed Kantrip. It's over, I have a different read than before based on that push. What's your issue besides this ridicolous theory you have? Reading the more current posts I agree with Delita's insight about you wrt this.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Vote: RainbowFingers

 

[Raziek]

Kevin are you ever going to say ANYTHING about WHY you don't like me?

Because just saying Raz shouldn't get a pass when most people have me as a Town lean isn't really getting **** dine and doesn't allow me or anyone else to build a read in you based on reasoning.

I'm fine with Gova going if he doesn't make an effort to answer **** and take informed stances within a few hours.

 

[Krystedez]

I'm here I just take too long because I procrastinate a lot. Don't count me out of the team fight yet. I mostly didn't wanna post until tonight when I can concentrate.

 

[Kantrip]

@Delita: You're using a connection to Ryker for part of why Gova should go? What happened to "connections should not be used until you have the necessary flip"? Why go for Gova for a connection to Ryker without knowing Ryker's alignment?

@Ryker: What happened to your UTDZac suspicion? Does J replacing in take away what you had on that slot? Was it just pressure to see how he reacted that is now ruined by him replacing out?

@MSF: I'll probably respond to your atrocity of a post separately but seriously man what is up with what you're doing? MSF back to null until I can read them again and figure out what is going on in their heads.

Ryker continues to be responding differently to things than I have come to expect from Ryker. Not very telling but it's worth an IGMEOU since his slot is really piquing my interest.

@J: I hope you're going to do this anyways in your catching up but tell me about Ryker please.

Raz and LAK are fine for now.

We may have to settle for a policy/inactive lynch of sorts. Rainbow is a viable option to me, as are Kryst/Gova/Inferno.

 

[Kantrip]

Also

Unvote

If there is no point to what you said then what was the point in saying it? That's what I don't understand.

You're ********.

Read the post in question and realize how dumb your question. I'm so done with the stupidity regarding something that is such a non-issue. I THOUGHT DELITA WAS SCUM AT THE TIME. THEREFORE I CALLED HIM PUSHING SOUP "PUSHING FOR A MISLYNCH". THAT'S WHY I SAID IT. HOLY. ****.

 

[Kantrip]

KevMo, after Inferno, talk to me about Raz. Level with me on that slot, I want the WtT breakdown.

Vote Inferno

May vote Kantrip after reading him. I have noticed that I have no opinion on him despite having the material to obtain one. I usually just skim his posts and get distracted arguing with Delita.

Explain this vote please, because I'm getting a full-****** town read on Inferno.

- - -

Gut slight scum lean on Ryker. I'm not gonna call it concrete and we're not lynching him D1 off of feels, but something's just really not sitting right with his play. His questions, his choice of interactions, where he's placing his suspicion and votes. Doesn't seem rational.... I can't go more in-depth with this, so don't ask me to, but I wanted to voice it.

 

[Delita]

@Delita: You're using a connection to Ryker for part of why Gova should go? What happened to "connections should not be used until you have the necessary flip"? Why go for Gova for a connection to Ryker without knowing Ryker's alignment

I want to know more about Ryker. Gova has a strong connection to him. Gova is acting scummy.

Bonus.

You're ********.

Read the post in question and realize how dumb your question. I'm so done with the stupidity regarding something that is such a non-issue. I THOUGHT DELITA WAS SCUM AT THE TIME. THEREFORE I CALLED HIM PUSHING SOUP "PUSHING FOR A MISLYNCH". THAT'S WHY I SAID IT. HOLY. ****.

You should be really embarrassed because the entire reason people are questioning you is because they don't know why you thought I was scum. When they ask, you say "because I'm ASSUMING he's scum" and when they ask why you say "because he was pushing for a lynch on soup and if he's scum then soup is town, so delita is scum".

You should.... just probably let it die. It's really tarnishing your image.

 

[Kantrip]

Kantrip
Post #318

Kantrip, why did you re-vote UTDzac there? You state you are getting walls and anger from Delita, yet I don't see anger anywhere. Where exactly do you see it [hint: link it], and why do you feel he is angry at you? I'm also wondering why you are letting your 'obv scum' read go? How are you reading Delita now? How does your read erase your past reasoning for DelitaScum?

Reconsidered read on Delita, wasn't necessarily going back on it but decided to spend my time elsewhere and stop concerning myself with it for a while.
I meant that he was giving me anger as in I was getting angry and wanted to steer away from that, not that he was being angry.
Never did I say he was obv scum. Never. And if I did it was feigned confidence. You think I'm that sure on a read on a hydra slot containing two intelligent mafia veterans early in D1? ***** please.
Read is erased because I just wanted time to reflect on it and worry about other things. AKA steering myself away from tunneling so I could take a step back and think logically. Something you need to do after your last couple posts, like wow.

 

[Gova]

yep mmhmm, Raz. I don't know what to tell you. I like the way he thinks I guess? he seems to be analyzing anything that piques his interest and i especially like his latest wall or whatever even though i don't necessarily agree with it. im having a tough time swallowing that the scum team is contained within the "inactives" which i agree with him on that one of the "active" players is most likely scum. aint no scum team got time to be inactive and expect the game to be won. thats just dumb yo

 

[Kantrip]

If people wanted my reasoning for my scumread on you they should have asked for THAT, because it was in the thread and I was just assuming people knew how to read. This is why jumping to conclusions is bad, and everyone jumped to the conclusion that that WAS my reasoning which would be pants-on-head ********. I'm not stupid, just bad at expressing things at times. If people were better at asking for clarification instead of jumping to conclusions this whole ordeal could've been avoided.

I thought you were scum because you were posting a lot of hollow content including large walls with nothing but armchair critic, your interaction with soup looked more like trying to shut him down than actually discern his alignment, and in general I just saw an intent with you of manipulation and not hunting for scum. Those were my early thoughts. They have changed since then, and I admit I was wrong about you not trying to delve into soup's alignment, though you did it in a unique way I guess you could say.

None of those points has to do with you being scum and pushing a mislynch on soup. Why the **** would anyone try to pass that off as reasoning? Even a pre-schooler wouldn't do that, and I am ashamed that people were so misguided as to think I was.

 

[Kantrip]

I want to know more about Ryker. Gova has a strong connection to him. Gova is acting scummy.

Just making sure we're on the same page. You're thinking Ryker's attitude towards Gova suggests a SvS relation between them, right? I can actually feel you on that one, if so. I had a similar but unrelated thought with a possible Ryker-UTDZac connection I was seeing. Where you're saying Ryker is being protective of Gova, I felt like he was kind of applying disingenuous pressure without meaning to UTDZac. The solid reasoning was there for his vote, but it gave me the aftertaste of scum distancing. It would make sense in a three-man scum team of Ryker-Gova-UTDZac that a player in Ryker's position would do a bus one buddy one approach.

Don't want to become a conspiracy theorist and that's why I never voiced this, although it is why I was trying to ask UTDZac about Ryker a lot. J replacing in kind of put a wrench in that but I still asked J for his thoughts on Ryker for the same reason. Basically I'm just getting connection vibes there and I see where yours are coming from too, so a two-birds-one-stone inactive/connection lynch would be pretty great. With that in mind, I don't mind joining this wagon.

Vote: Gova

 

[Kantrip]

Oh yeah I underlined the last part because I was wondering if you had the scummy things Gova is doing (besides not being here) already posted somewhere, or if you could list them? Thanks.

 

[Delita]

@Delita: You're using a connection to Ryker for part of why Gova should go? What happened to "connections should not be used until you have the necessary flip"? Why go for Gova for a connection to Ryker without knowing Ryker's alignment?

You misunderstood, I didn't say that we shouldn't examine connections until flip. I said that the chainsaw defense only establishes connections so it's not that useful prior to flip.

In the prior case, we were talking about 2 likely town slots, so if we establish a connection that if one flips scum, the other is likely scum, well they're still really unlikely to be scum. Do the same on two null or scummy slots and suddenly it becomes a lot more useful. That said, I'd lynch a scummy slot over the null with the most connections (fyi, myself and OS had a massive fight over this last game we played), it's just gova is scummy with a lot of connections so everyone is happy.

 

[Gova]

whoa i have a lot of connections to people? this is news to me

 

[Kantrip]

You misunderstood, I didn't say that we shouldn't examine connections until flip. I said that the chainsaw defense only establishes connections so it's not that useful prior to flip.

In the prior case, we were talking about 2 likely town slots, so if we establish a connection that if one flips scum, the other is likely scum, well they're still really unlikely to be scum. Do the same on two null or scummy slots and suddenly it becomes a lot more useful. That said, I'd lynch a scummy slot over the null with the most connections (fyi, myself and OS had a massive fight over this last game we played), it's just gova is scummy with a lot of connections so everyone is happy.

Alright I see what you mean.

Is scummy with a lot of connections not stretching it just a little bit? I'd say lurky with one connection, but eh. What have you been seeing in him?

 

[Delita]

whoa i have a lot of connections to people? this is news to me

More like other people have connections to you.



I can totally see a Ryker distancing to UTD Zac / J, Kantrip. Unfortunately given J's replacement time and the low timeframe this game has been active I can't really say I find it a strong possibility. Maybe depending on how their actions go in the future, but not now.

 

[Kantrip]

Yeah I agree. I like the Gova course of action because we gain more than just saying we lynched an inactive, but I would like to know about the scummy things you're seeing in his play.

 

[Delita]

whoa i have a lot of connections to people? this is news to me

Are you going to contribute anything or continue to stand back and pretend to be an innocent bystander?

 

[Gova]

i am an innocent bystander lol you'll see when i flip and i dont know why anyone is acting surprised about how im playing,

 

[Delita]

i am an innocent bystander lol you'll see when i flip and i dont know why anyone is acting surprised about how im playing,

Or you could tell us?

 

[Kantrip]

Hey also if Gova flips town what does that say about Ryker's behaviour towards him? How does it get explained in that case?

 

[Gova]

tell you what? this is how i always play i really dont care if other people think its scummy or not i contribute when i think i have something worth sharing

 

[Raziek]

Color key:

Town Read
Town Lean
Null
Scum Lean
Scum Read

Not lynching:

3. Lovably Adorable Kanine (Red Ruy/John2k4)
4. Raziek
5. Delita (adumbrodeus/Overswarm)
6. Ryker
8. Soup

Could be swayed to Lynch:

9. Kantrip
10. Mastermind Super Fiend (SummonerAU/Ranmaru)
11. UTDZac J

Would Lynch:

1. RainbowFingers (Xonar/BSL)
2. Gova
7. Inferno3044
12. Krystedez
13. KevinM

Reasonings:

3. Lovably Adorable Kanine (Red Ruy/John2k4) - I really like this slot. Ruy's line of thought has been clear and concise and I can easily see the Town intent behind the questions he's asking.

4. Raziek - I SAW HIS ROLE PM DON'T MODKILL PLEASE.

5. Delita (adumbrodeus/Overswarm) - OS was probably right when I said I may have been voting for the wrong reasons. Adum being a butt really rubbed me the wrong way and created a bit of bias against the slot. THAT SAID, I stand behind my reasoning for originally voting them. I felt they were misconstruing people's intent, specifically Kantrip's. However, I've liked their more recent posts, and they've been a literal content-faucet. Not a D1 option for me.

6. Ryker - This one I don't have much to say about. Good part feel, and I echo Delita in that we gain more by lynching Gova to learn about Ryker, rather than simply lynching Ryker. I haven't seen a lot I disagree with from him, not on the table for today.

8. Soup - I liked Soup more at the beginning, he's faded into the background as the day has gone on. On the sidelines a lot. For some reason, I wouldn't feel comfortably lynching him today.

Could be swayed to Lynch:

9. Kantrip - This is a weird one to have in this pile given that I've said I have a fairly strong town read on Kantrip. The reason is I feel like I may be putting too much faith in meta. This one is here because I think my opinion could change if someone made a solid case on him that brought up something that I'm not seeing. For now, I stand by my Town feels here.

10. Mastermind Super Fiend (SummonerAU/Ranmaru) - Plain and simple, I can't wrap my head around this slot right now. Their intent is much less obvious than some of the other slots. Will probably need help from others to develop my read on this slot.

11. UTDZac J - No point in lynching a replacement we know will be active. In this pile to cover the situation in which his content is horrendously bad upon getting caught up and posting.

Would Lynch:

1. RainbowFingers (Xonar/BSL) - Notably absent from a lot of toDay's discussion, despite the fact that I know Xonar is around pretty much every day and should have time. Has hidden behind "leaving notes for BSL and letting him post." Should be much more active than this slot has been. Not enough content to make a judgement on alignment, but would lynch to filter inactives.

2. Gova - I'm trying to like this slot, but he's being actively useless and has given essentially no content even when directly asked specific questions. Don't expect contribution level to improve. Strongly linked to Ryker, easy mislynch later in the game if he were to turn out Town. Better to prune now than later.

7. Inferno3044 - This slot has little content and is asking pretty obvious questions that can be answered just by reading the thread. As Kevin pointed out, pretty much only posts when pressured. No qualms with lynching today.

12. Krystedez - No content, but promises content. Ennnh. Fairly easy to read, so wouldn't mind keeping around over some of the others in this pile.

13. KevinM - Substantiate some of your **** so I can actually read you. Please. You're pretty useless as it is now.

In order lynchpool (highest priority first):

Gova
Inferno
RF
Kevin
Krystedez

Going to hit the questions I was asked directly in my next post.

 

[Gova]

oic how it is raziek, MSF can't be null for me but he can for you. that's real fair yo

 

[Raziek]

Oh right.

Vote:

if that doesn't count,

Vote: Gova

Forgot.

 

[Delita]

tell you what? this is how i always play i really dont care if other people think its scummy or not i contribute when i think i have something worth sharing

If that's the case, claim.

If you're going to give no reads or commentary and simply say "Gosh golly darn it, I don't know what's going on so that's why I was absent all day despite reading the thread" then you're not just dead weight, you're permanent dead weight. At least inactives can bring content when they come out of inactivity or be replaced.

You're just here and do nothing. You're the snorlax on the path of mafia and the lynch is the flute.

 

[Gova]

hey man well that's just like you opinion, if someone wanted my vote they should have asked for it. its not like i was doing anything with it anyways.

im sona and my ability is hymn of valor which makes someone a double voter, i also take one less vote to lynch