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[#HBC | J]

Yeah, I agree with soup being a complete enigma but he leans more likable than unlikable in terms of towniness, especially his most recent posts explaining his reasoning for inactives. If all else fails in terms of lynching Raz, than I will more than likely end up on Kantrip by the end of the day. His slot has a lot of connections to people in the game and he has been scummy. The only thing that makes me do a double take on his slot is his most recent performance in The Wall where his play was terrible and ridiculously scummy but he was still town. That's why I would much rather have Raz who is being actively scummy in this game thus far.

*live-topic'd*

Kanty's latest post on me brings me to a point on him I dislike. Back in the earlier phase of the game he made a very large super-aggro defensive post where he spent most of his time defending himself rather than getting to the important questions he was asked. He made paragraphs about himself but then made one liner sentences about others or responses to questions. He is only really focusing this game around himself which reeks of survivalistic. However, this was the main reason he was persecuted in The Wall which makes me just tap my foot at it.

 

[#HBC | J]

An inactive null is a worse lynch then an actual scummy player.

You have yet to prove how this is the case with Gova. How is Gova "scummy" to you?

 

[Kantrip]

J it's almost funny how wrong what you just said is. After dropping the huge debacle that involved me, I have actually been actively asking things to every ****ing slot. Try again.

Speaking of which, if you're caught up I've asked you a question.

 

[Kantrip]

Vote: J

Please? UTDZac was scummy and J is not making it better. Case later.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Rainbow may be getting away with murder, but gova is trying just as hard.


Frankly, inactivity isn't a scumtell in and of itself, it's just something that scum likes to do that serves their purpose. There's no point in attacking people for inactivity if you don't act on the information they give when they actually start saying stuff.

An inactive null is a worse lynch then an actual scummy player.

Disagree. I liked Gova coming in and setting the record straight and keeping his ground, he has no reason to back down from one meager vote. The wagon on him, if anything, needs observation. I find myself between the barrier of still liking Kantrip and just disliking how he's doing things. I can honestly say the only person who I would trust this whole game right now would be Ryker, and he's an apparent DayVig.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm going to ask you why you believe Gova is more important than others of the inactives, and why you feel he's worth lynching today. I skipped out on some of my catch up to post, so feel free to requote it if you already did.

 

[Delita]

You have yet to prove how this is the case with Gova. How is Gova "scummy" to you?

yeah but why the hell would i post then and risk becoming more "scummy" when i could have just lurked and banked on the fact that you would lynch one of the other nulls especially when i had ryker vouching for me lowering that likely hood.

This doesn't just reek of being survivalistic, he outright says he IS being survivalistic.

 

[#HBC | J]

Missed it but got it now.

@J: I hope you're going to do this anyways in your catching up but tell me about Ryker please.

I like Ryker and I don't like him. Love/hate relationship going on. His intent keeps swaying for me but he has more towny points than scummy points. The one thing I don't get is his insistence with the Delita slot and wanting to die. For me, it seems more based on the fact that Ryker dislikes how both sides of the Delita hydra play this game which makes it odd to try to read why he is doing what he is doing. I can't tell if he actually finds them scummy or not. Plus Ryker really hasn't had the most content and it's little quips that mainly end up at Delita and buddying posts to his buddys but that isn't really telling for Ryker. However, whenever I have a scum-read on Ryker (i.e. All-Stars), I get a bad feeling with just looking at his posts but here I am actually finding myself reading him as safer than others. It's my gut that is making me like Ryker and seeing him as alright to keep around for toDay. The one thing I want to see Ryker do is something more concrete. I have a basic grasp on his reads and why he has them but it is lacking in substance.

Please? UTDZac was scummy and J is not making it better. Case later.

Case on my 2-3 posts? You have to be kidding me lol.

 

[Kantrip]

J you replaced in. Turns out you have a predecessor.

 

[Raziek]

J, want to elaborate on me being "actively scummy"?

That's pretty vague.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

An inactive null is a worse lynch then an actual scummy player.

You're saying that completely ignoring them doesn't do anything. You're basically giving them a reason to be inactive. I'll damn well push as many inactives as I want because I'm not going to read someone who isn't here and try and guess their intentions, I've already tried this once or twice and I'd rather cut to the chase.

Kanty's latest post on me brings me to a point on him I dislike. Back in the earlier phase of the game he made a very large super-aggro defensive post where he spent most of his time defending himself rather than getting to the important questions he was asked. He made paragraphs about himself but then made one liner sentences about others or responses to questions. He is only really focusing this game around himself which reeks of survivalistic. However, this was the main reason he was persecuted in The Wall which makes me just tap my foot at it.

I'd look at the fact he's barreling back into your lynch on a very loose 'scumread' he had before just because of one post. I'd invite him to explain his reasoning but he'll probably do it anyways. Do you think Kantrip would be this ballsy as scum? It's not even survivalistic, it's just Kantrip being Kantrip but I already pointed out what I care about more.

 

[Gova]

lol at delita taking a hypothetical and saying it's me saying im survivalistic.

 

[Gova]

wait, i mean lol at adumb

 

[Kantrip]

soup your lynch idea is based on inactivity, at least this lynch actually HAS reasons and isn't a shot in the dark. You may think you have night vision goggles, but you're still after an inactive all the same.

 

[#HBC | J]

I know but UTD had barely any posts and the posts he had were usually just excuses of him not having content.

 

[Kantrip]

And weak, shallow reads full of null tells. The cop-outs and the weak reads without a clear thought process and then you replacing in and being all whack. It adds up to more than "he's not posting and hey look possible connections"

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

soup your lynch idea is based on inactivity, at least this lynch actually HAS reasons and isn't a shot in the dark. You may think you have night vision goggles, but you're still after an inactive all the same.

What's the difference between an inactive lynch and someone who is active? What defines them to be better than an inactive? Why let someone coast freely if they haven't shown intent to post in the first place?

 

[#HBC | J]

Reminder, refresh the screen before posting. *Check*

J, want to elaborate on me being "actively scummy"?

That's pretty vague.

Sure, I can get to that in a bit. Getting distracted atm.

I'd look at the fact he's barreling back into your lynch on a very loose 'scumread' he had before just because of one post. I'd invite him to explain his reasoning but he'll probably do it anyways.

Do you think Kantrip would be this ballsy as scum? It's not even survivalistic, it's just Kantrip being Kantrip but I already pointed out what I care about more.

See that's the thing. I have never seen Kanty scum (besides Awkward Moments which could be considered Ballsy). I can't remember if Kanty was scum in FFT because I think he was TB's slot and Sang was telling me something that I can't remember. I don't see any reason why to rule out what Kanty is doing as a reason to doubt him as scum. Kanty has been known to blow a lot of hot air in terms of his posts and then fall flat on his words later on. Like I am very curious as to why he decided to change his entire notion to me being scum based on what seems to be me calling him scum for reasons that he doesn't agree to. He hasn't alluded to anything else and has gone to saying that UTD was mounds scummy in the past which he hasn't brought to the front light until now when I call him out. What it is reading to me is more of an OMGUS attack.

 

[Kantrip]

What's the difference between an inactive lynch and someone who is active? What defines them to be better than an inactive? Why let someone coast freely if they haven't shown intent to post in the first place?

With an inactive lynch all you've really got in the way of reasoning is that they're inactive. It's not a very good chance of hitting scum.

 

[Kantrip]

I was indy in HL:FLC and Puzzle Bobble. I was scum in Awkward Moments and FFT.

If Awkward Moments is ballsy then I don't know what to think any more. Perhaps you need to refresh your memory on what happened in that game....

 

[#HBC | J]

And weak, shallow reads full of null tells. The cop-outs and the weak reads without a clear thought process and then you replacing in and being all whack. It adds up to more than "he's not posting and hey look possible connections"

"being all whack" you have to explain that in much more detail and his weak/shallow reads I really can't explain because I don't know UTD that well but in the past he never really has had "detailed" reads and was always an inactive player since he doesn't have many games under his belt.

 

[#HBC | J]

I was indy in HL:FLC and Puzzle Bobble. I was scum in Awkward Moments and FFT.

If Awkward Moments is ballsy then I don't know what to think any more. Perhaps you need to refresh your memory on what happened in that game....

Both games I barely skimmed over. (HL:FLC I didn't read at all.) And FFT was correct so that makes sense. Also Awkward Moments happened a year or so ago iirc but all I remember is you being super front-runner for town even as scum and doing a bunch of walls to show scum-reads.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Kantrip, look at it this way. If they post, Great! I'll be able to read them easier instead of playing a guessing game with myself and trying to guess their intentions! If they don't, then they get voted until they respond. I've laid out why I believe this style of play works many times before but I don't understand why you're so against it. Why not RainbowFingers? Why not Krys? Why not any of them? You only seemed to care about the progressing wagon and the one Delita started. I don't even recall you having interest for it until then.

 

[#HBC | J]

In terms of inactives, I think Krys has more to go off of in terms of being a better lynch candidate for his content rather than RF's blatant disregard for the game even though they are both posting elsewhere. Here's the post I wanted to bring up w.r.t. Krys.

You took my obvious flavor joke as a crumb of any sort? LOLWAT. I was making fun of how people are already posting walls of junk, not trying to crumb anything.

Hell, I might have crumbed in earlier posts, I might have not, who are you to say what's important to pay attention to crumb wise, for any of us? Why are you on this note so handily? That's what I'll be more concerned with when I DO read you later.

My post in general wasn't anything serious, it was essentially a post to show I'm alive and that I have an assignment due tonight and won't be reading every single thing until after it's done. I just find it funny that you of all people would analyze it like such to continue with crumb-police antic I've never seen in any game. Hence this post, since I just decided to pop in and read up.

This is the biggest post Krys has made this entire game and has the most noteworthy content. The rest of his posts are him saying that he is going to try and catch up soon. He gets really defensive when Delita calls him out on his "crumb" and makes a big deal to try and correct Delita. I don't get why Krys is ignoring the rest of the game and questioned that were poised to him at this time but instead took the time to write a response to Delita's qualm that wasn't even really directed at Krys.

I don't know if it's scummy but I feel it's bad and a bit more incriminating than simply not being here because he was here enough to get into a little tizzy abotu something irrelevant.

 

[#HBC | J]

Soup, is the reason you are disliking RF based on the fact that Xonar is in the hydra and his early play/disapparence rings a slight bell towards Ryker mafia? That's the only way I can possibly see where you are coming from for RF being more of a reason to leave than Krys.

 

[#HBC | J]

This doesn't just reek of being survivalistic, he outright says he IS being survivalistic.

Being survivalistic =/= scummy. Townies can be survivalistic as well. (which is why I am back and forth on Kanty and others are bringing it up as a reason to keep Kanty around).

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Soup, is the reason you are disliking RF based on the fact that Xonar is in the hydra and his early play/disapparence rings a slight bell towards Ryker mafia? That's the only way I can possibly see where you are coming from for RF being more of a reason to leave than Krys.

To be honest, I just want him to post. A part of that reasoning does allude to the vote but really I'm just tired of having to read players like that and I don't see them getting a night kill anytime soon.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@J wrt Krys

Something to look into, I stand by my vote.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Going to play Video Games. Haven't done so all week. I'll be around.

 

[Delita]

I'm going to ask you why you believe Gova is more important than others of the inactives, and why you feel he's worth lynching today. I skipped out on some of my catch up to post, so feel free to requote it if you already did.

I honed in on him because what he did say was very wishy washy. Now after this wagon is at full force he admits that not only is he lurking on purpose, but he's doing it because he wants to survive and not be a potential lynch target.


That's literally what almost all scumtells

What's the difference between an inactive lynch and someone who is active? What defines them to be better than an inactive? Why let someone coast freely if they haven't shown intent to post in the first place?

Because this isn't a policy for punishing players?

At the end of the day, it's a meta that developed in order for inactives to give material that allows us to figure out if they're town or scum, but a pure inactive player is still only a null.

An actively scummy read should always be prioritized over a null read.

Being survivalistic =/= scummy. Townies can be survivalistic as well. (which is why I am back and forth on Kanty and others are bringing it up as a reason to keep Kanty around).

Survivalistic intent is scum, kantrip's play just seems like it might have survivalistic intent to you.

Tending to pay more attention to things directed at you only suggests survivalistic intent, it's not the same as direct proof that yes, he has survivalistic intent.

 

[Mastermind Super Fiend]

Gova, vote Kantrip with me. In fact, J/Ryker, we should all vote Kantrip together. Team fight. I'll be the tank, Ryker can be the AD Carry, Gova the support, and J the AP Carry. If I have to I'll compromise to Raz. I'm not lynching Gova/Ryker/J. I'm already liking J's input compared to UTDzac. For example his opinion on Kantrip being survivalistic. Also like his gova lynch rejection. Also like and agree to his insight on Kryst.

Let's get a wagon going since deadline is on monday.

 

[Mastermind Super Fiend]

Delita
Post #424

Which post are you referring to that I may have confused?

Soup
Post #452

What was your exact reasoning then? All I see is kantrip is being kantrip and he is having a temper tantrum, so therefore town? Do you think it's possible Kantrip may be faking this? Why or why not. My issue with you is that you make an insightful push but then backtrack with Kantrip appeals to you and you even do so before even getting a reply. That shows that you aren't trying to find his alignment, you are just giving him a pass for 'being himself'.

 

[Gova]

I honed in on him because what he did say was very wishy washy. Now after this wagon is at full force he admits that not only is he lurking on purpose, but he's doing it because he wants to survive and not be a potential lynch target.


That's literally what almost all scumtells

hahahahahaha, are you serious? i never admitted to doing that at all.

 

[Lovably Adorable Kanine]

Delita stop.

Why are we even considering lynching Gova with that claim?

Who cares about his play being something you don't like, In Utrick'd where I read Indy off his role and his play. Provable Double Voter that gives it away, how is this a scum role? Hated as well, I find it very very unlikely with that kind of power, which he can prove tonight, is better over KevinM, Rainbow or Krys.

Inactive lynch, don't care who, will vote any of the above three.

Going KevinM right now.

 

[Lovably Adorable Kanine]

Gova, what impression on everyone do you have right now, even off gut reads, anything will do.

 

[Mastermind Super Fiend]

Lak, what is your opinion on Kantrip today? On me? Would you vote Kantrip with me? If not, would you compromise to Raz?

 

[Delita]

hahahahahaha, are you serious? i never admitted to doing that at all.

You didn't? Then what were you attempting to get across here?

yeah but why the hell would i post then and risk becoming more "scummy" when i could have just lurked and banked on the fact that you would lynch one of the other nulls especially when i had ryker vouching for me lowering that likely hood.

It's a perfect description of your play up until the wagon hit you. Excuse me for taking at face value what was an accurate description at face value, but what were you trying to say?

Frankly, I think you're just backing off it because you're not as brash as ryker (who btw, is the only person who is prideful enough to purposefully do this sort of thing). It just describes your play way too perfectly.

Delita
Post #424

Which post are you referring to that I may have confused?

I'm talking specifically about unvoting kantrip and voting for gova, both actions taken by me which you seem to be using in your meta-analysis of OS.

Gova, vote Kantrip with me. In fact, J/Ryker, we should all vote Kantrip together. Team fight. I'll be the tank, Ryker can be the AD Carry, Gova the support, and J the AP Carry. If I have to I'll compromise to Raz. I'm not lynching Gova/Ryker/J. I'm already liking J's input compared to UTDzac. For example his opinion on Kantrip being survivalistic. Also like his gova lynch rejection. Also like and agree to his insight on Kryst.

Let's get a wagon going since deadline is on monday.

I get a reaching for kantrip, but compromise on Raz?


Raz is generally held as town as well, I don't see a wagon swinging to him either. I suggest you get a better compromise lynch.

 

[Mastermind Super Fiend]

Post #207 is what I was referring to meta wise.

My suspicions of your votes have nothing to do with meta. I felt your vote on Gova was inconsistent with how you were voting initially. Your votes on soup and Kantrip weren't because they were scumreads, yet then your vote on Gova was more of a push for a lynch. That's why I don't like it, it feels like you were 'finally' making a push so that you could distance from the Kantrip vote. Also consider that your original reasoning was that Gova was being wishy washy, not that he was active lurking.

 

[Delita]

Delita stop.

Why are we even considering lynching Gova with that claim?

Who cares about his play being something you don't like, In Utrick'd where I read Indy off his role and his play. Provable Double Voter that gives it away, how is this a scum role? Hated as well, I find it very very unlikely with that kind of power, which he can prove tonight, is better over KevinM, Rainbow or Krys.

Inactive lynch, don't care who, will vote any of the above three.

Going KevinM right now.

Why don't you think it's a scum power? Totally serious.

It's not like dgames hasn't already seen scumroles like governor and hidden double-voter, especially considering this is a upick which means roles have to be limited to what is appropriate to the champion flavor.


I'd need more then that to reconsider this.

Post #207 is what I was referring to meta wise.

My suspicions of your votes have nothing to do with meta. I felt your vote on Gova was inconsistent with how you were voting initially. Your votes on soup and Kantrip weren't because they were scumreads, yet then your vote on Gova was more of a push for a lynch. That's why I don't like it, it feels like you were 'finally' making a push so that you could distance from the Kantrip vote. Also consider that your original reasoning was that Gova was being wishy washy, not that he was active lurking.

So, voting for somebody else because I partially suspect them partially want to make them start talking is a scumslip because it was... after the kantrip vote?

I hope you can appreciate how ridiculous that sounds.

 

[JTB]

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Deadline 10/15, 11:59 PM EST

RainbowFingers [0] Soup
Gova [2] Delita, Raziek
Lovably Adorable Kanine [1] Krystedez
Raziek [2] J, KevinM
Delita [0]
Ryker [0]
Inferno3044 [1] Ryker
Soup [0]
Potassium [1] Mastermind Super Fiend
Mastermind Super Fiend [0]
J [2] RainbowFingers, Potassium
Krystedez [0]
KevinM [1] Lovably Adorable Kanine

Not voting: Gova, Inferno3044