B!squick
Smash Master
Right. If MK AND Snake having their own tiers isn't close tier grouping, I don't know what is.
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Koopa Questions: a Bowser Q&A Thread
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Hobobloke
Atemon Game
Lol at SZ getting owned, just cut your losses mate and move on.
Bandit_Kieth
Smash Apprentice
tiers such as SS and S exist for self explanitory reasons.. there is also a reason why Cpt Failcon is on bottom too roflz..
but failcon is some fun **** to play :D
but failcon is some fun **** to play :D
B!squick
Smash Master
Cap'n Falcon is only fun to play if you know how do that all those fancy combos. Personally, I'll just stick with Bowser's one combo. The only one required for victory!
Hobobloke
Atemon Game
1st Fsmash hit --> 2nd Fsmah hit?
B!squick
Smash Master
^AKA, the Gimpfish Combo!1st Fsmash hit --> 2nd Fsmah hit?
Oh yeah, I was playing a whicked Wario the other day and at one point, only the first part of the combo colided with... something, and the rest of the combo didn't happen! We like, hit each other at the same time or something because Wario went flying and Bowser looked wasted. What's up with that? I thought it never missed.
On a side note, FSmash is even more disjointed than I thought when I started my kill percent tests. Sometimes the knockback was more horizontal than vertical. Sometimes more vertical. Sometimes half and half. And once the test dummy flew behind me! x_x
Speaking of Wario, on the grab releases, he started to get wise to my shinanigans and started DIing into me. What should have I done then? Just Fortress?
Hobobloke
Atemon Game
Isn't the trajectoty of the knockback dependent on where it hits, for example I believe there is more vertical knockback if you hit with the tip.
B!squick
Smash Master
It was hard to set up again exactly the same each time, but the positions of both Bowser and the test subject were about as "the same" as I could get them and each time I just set it up so they would eat the brunt of it, no tippers.
Likeness101
Smash Apprentice
Who is a good secondary for Bowser? Since his most crippling match up is DDD I was thinking Pikachu?
Liquid Gen
Smash Ace
Personally I love fighting Dedede, I don't know what wrong with you guys.
A good second for Bowser is obviously MK, but for a more serious answer, Fox, if you're looking to counter D3.
Also, help me out Bowser boards:
Should I second Fox or Ganon?
You decide.
A good second for Bowser is obviously MK, but for a more serious answer, Fox, if you're looking to counter D3.
Also, help me out Bowser boards:
Should I second Fox or Ganon?
You decide.
MrEh
Smash Hero
Or you could just use Falco. Har har.
Liquid Gen
Smash Ace
D you want to be gay?
Oh wait, it's Dedede.
Oh wait, it's Dedede.
Jonas
Smash Champion
You should definitely second Ganon. If you main those two, you will be unbeatable.
B!squick
Smash Master
Sakurai plays Ganon. 'Nough said.
Bandit_Kieth
Smash Apprentice
why would sakurai play ganon?
Liquid Gen
Smash Ace
Because he's pro.
Hobobloke
Atemon Game
He was so obviously sand-bagging in that match he had against the "tourney winner". I wonder how he'd go in an actual match.
B!squick
Smash Master
He's Sakurai. He auto wins any match because there are hidden techs only he can perform causing an instant game set.
Hobobloke
Atemon Game
I assumed as much.
Bandit_Kieth
Smash Apprentice
of late, i've only been playing against cpu's on the wii (finally got my own one) since i have no one else to play..
i just play against lvl 7's because they're meant to be the closest to human lvl. but the passed day or two, these coms have been kicking my arse..
do they learn when you play against them, or am i just sucking donkey balls?
i just play against lvl 7's because they're meant to be the closest to human lvl. but the passed day or two, these coms have been kicking my arse..
do they learn when you play against them, or am i just sucking donkey balls?
MorphedChaos
Smash Lord
They learn, but slowly.
Bandit_Kieth
Smash Apprentice
ah fair enough, thanks
B!squick
Smash Master
The level 9s are known for edge hogging. x_x
Bandit_Kieth
Smash Apprentice
edge hogging frustrates me to the fullest...
i ****ing hate it
i ****ing hate it
I thought that edge hogging wasn't too much of a problem for Bowser because of his ^B move normally outlasting your opponent's invincibility frames on the edge. Or are you saying this with the other characters you use?
B!squick
Smash Master
The other day I was playing a wicked good Wario and I hit him off with the very last hit box of Fortress. He ended up not making it back to the stage after that. I wish I'd been able to save some of those matches, they were some great games.
Also, I'm thinking of making DeDeDe my secondary/other main/counter pick. If Wolf's recovery didn't have such a steep learning curve I'd use him more. Thoughts?
EDIT: Also.
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B!squick
Smash Master
... Wait, what? O.o
Hobobloke
Atemon Game
Sometimes it seems like they learn but i think its more like they have options on how to play. Pretend they have seven ways to play (we'll call them lines) if I play a certain way they will switch to a different line etc. ALthough it does seem like they learn (I swear a computer did a crouch taunt after killing me) that isn't really possible we don't have the technology to make computers learn they have to follow set algorithims. I won't add this quesion into the OP because we can't really give a definite answer, we'd just be guessing.
The Host: No the throw will only hit the person who has been grabbed (someone correct me if this is wrong)
Also did we come to a conclusion about best secondaries for Bowser? I remember we used to have a thread on it, I'll try and dig that up.
Jonas
Smash Champion
I'm pretty sure his Uthrow hits others if they get too close. I also think his Dthrow does.
It might be useful against Ice Climbers if you, for some reason, try to grab them when they're together.
I guess this shows that the Fortress is extremely hard to or near impossible to edge hog. I would've liked to have seen a replay for that match though. That battle sounded pretty intense plus I haven't really played a good Wario yet so IDK what a good Wario looks like in battle. I'd probably watch their vids, but I'm too lazy to look at them ATM.
Who are you having trouble with in particular when you use Bowser? Maybe that'd help you come up with an answer. Also, besides Bowser, DDD and Wolf, do you use anyone else or just those 3 characters? I can probably help you with your decision if you're still unsure about who to choose.
Bandit_Kieth
Smash Apprentice
i dont really use anyone who compliments each other, i use Bowser and secondary Falco lol
B!squick
Smash Master
Yeah, I think we both thought I was dead, then suddenly... dink, and I had the ledge! I forgot what exactly happened after that, I just know he didn't make it back. He won most... or all of our matches though. He really seemed to know what he was doing. Using that Chomp special if I shield too early, using Waif(sp?) before it was fully charged at just right time for a surprise KO. And that hand clap UpAir? x_xI guess this shows that the Fortress is extremely hard to or near impossible to edge hog. I would've liked to have seen a replay for that match though. That battle sounded pretty intense plus I haven't really played a good Wario yet so IDK what a good Wario looks like in battle. I'd probably watch their vids, but I'm too lazy to look at them ATM.
Well, I play mostly doubles to best avoid items and only worrying about 2 other players seems better than being concerned about 3. I play online alot of you can't tell. Being Bowser, projectiles and lag in general is a major problem. I like DeDeDe because he's pretty well rounded. Great recovery, excellent throws not including the Down Throw chain grab, a pretty good projectile that acts as a barrier against other projectiles as well KOing in Sudden Death, great aerials, great ground game. His BAir ***** Sonic when I can land it, I've been seeing a lot of Sonic lately. Besides, his DTaunt and "crouch" are instant win.
Besides him and Wolf, I can play anyone reasonably well. If I do bad I usually character hop until I find one I can win with, lol. Yoshi and Jigs are usually the ones I try first if DeDeDe can't pull through.
B!squick
Smash Master
Also, I'm in the middle of formatting my KO percent chart. What moves should I have for grounded opponents? Here's what I have so far: UTilt, FTilt, DTilt, FSmash, DSmash, Fortress, Klaw, Bowser Bomb.
Hobobloke
Atemon Game
How about Usmash, Fair and Bair.
B!squick
Smash Master
USmash hits grounded opponents? I was thinking about separating the gounded moves and the aerials, but now I realise I meant grounded opponents and aerial ones. So I was just gonna leave USmash for air KOs.
Hobobloke
Atemon Game
Yeah in bowsers Usmash his head can knock grounded opponents albeit not as strong as hitting with the shell.
B!squick
Smash Master
Enough to KO you think? I've never even hit someone with anything other than the shell, lol.
Bowser King
Have It Your Way
It comes in handy some times.
Like when going for an usmash and the opponent air dodges to the ground, the 2nd hit lands and sends them a fair bit of distance.
It also works when going for a sliding usmash (forget what that's called at the moment
) and the opponent air dodges/is on the ground. Though I wouldn't recommend it unless there in the air because if the aren't your just asking to get hit.-
Bowser King
B!squick
Smash Master
Oh, you mean the second landing on the ground hit? I didn't think that any KO potential. :/ I have had that hit before, but most people are either too stupid to AD or are simply on a platform. And I think most people have enough sense not to dodge into Bowser though. But yeah, if you're using USmash on a grounded opponent, you should review your Bowser 101 I think... but they can AD into you... I'll see if it can KO first.
Also, I believe you are thinking of the DACUS bowser king.
But yeah, if you're using USmash on a grounded opponent, you should review your Bowser 101 I think... but they can AD into you... I'll see if it can KO first.Also, I believe you are thinking of the DACUS bowser king.