I also hate bowser ftilt, outranges marth's fair for crying out loud!
Yeah, sometimes I use luca dtilt since it clanks with the starting animation of whirling fortress then jab/grab, but it is so rediculously good. Plus I hate the idea of having a safe kill on me with grab release->dtilt, although luckily I've been getting grabbed very rarely as of late. SideB is also a problem, he really knows how to bait my shield out to get it, my only real response is while charging AS to roll away ooASC animation then retaliate, but man, bowser is crazy if you're not D3 (even if you are, the bowser in my area does very well even for the D3 matchup).
Also, is it true that bowser's jab goes out on frame 6?
looked it up