Do you only play basic brawl online? Well, if you only use 5 characters, why not main/second all the ones you mentioned if you are good with them? Although, IF you only play basic brawl, it can be hard to decide which characters you want to main because there aren't a lot of good people on basic brawl. Therefore, you can't really tell who you are good with. I used to have that problem, but my list of characters I use is slowly changing and getting smaller according to the characters I use well since I'm finally finding good people on these boards to go against online. Still, my list of mains isn't completely finalized yet. I still use 10 characters ATM which hopefully in the future, that shall change.
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Koopa Questions: a Bowser Q&A Thread
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B!squick
Smash Master
Yeah, mostly randoms online when I can't get a game on GFAQs. I never really tried finding a match on here, I probably should. Maybe I can get a better gauge then.
Liquid Gen
Smash Ace
Wtf...
Why.. would anyone play Basic Brawl?
Seriously, wtf?
Just go to AiB. =/
Why.. would anyone play Basic Brawl?
Seriously, wtf?
Just go to AiB. =/
KirinBlaze
Smash Lord
Don't be silly, Gen. Basic Brawl = <3
MrEh
Smash Hero
If you predict an airdodge from your opponent, don't bother using the 2nd hit from your Usmash.
Run underneath them to trick them into airdodging, shield, then Dsmash. Works like a charm.
Run underneath them to trick them into airdodging, shield, then Dsmash. Works like a charm.
Liquid Gen
Smash Ace
^ Usmash.
You are making quite a few important typos, MrEh.
Also Kirinwhere the **** did you come from, lol.xD
You are making quite a few important typos, MrEh.
Also Kirinwhere the **** did you come from, lol.xD
MrEh
Smash Hero
Fixed.
That's really all I use the Dsmash for. If I know the Dsmash isn't fast enough to punish the airdodge, I dash attack. That *****.
That's really all I use the Dsmash for. If I know the Dsmash isn't fast enough to punish the airdodge, I dash attack. That *****.
B!squick
Smash Master
If it wasn't for the after lag, dash attack would be so much more amazing.
Also, I plan on getting Brawl+ today. Anyone know how King Koopa handles in it?
Also, I plan on getting Brawl+ today. Anyone know how King Koopa handles in it?
Bowser King
Have It Your Way
He's very bad.
Chaingrab got taken out, bowser only has 7-6 frames to do anything out of release and he gets comboed like no other character out there. Klaw is a watered down version of what it was before and klaw hopping's a lot harder. In a game that needs combos, bowser can't do anything.
He's not even heavy anymore. He gets killed faster (it's been proven) then chars like marth and Falcon. Bowser's damage reduction got made worse (although it's still pretty good).
All in all, choose a different char or wait until they make him better.
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Bowser King
B!squick
Smash Master
Of course... they made Brawl better and Bowser worse. >.> Now I'm debating whether I even want Brawl+ now. x_xHe's very bad.
Chaingrab got taken out, bowser only has 7-6 frames to do anything out of release and he gets comboed like no other character out there. Klaw is a watered down version of what it was before and klaw hopping's a lot harder. In a game that needs combos, bowser can't do anything.
He's not even heavy anymore. He gets killed faster (it's been proven) then chars like marth and Falcon. Bowser's damage reduction got made worse (although it's still pretty good).
All in all, choose a different char or wait until they make him better.
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B!squick
Smash Master
Bowser's recovery is the best of the bad recoveries, woo!
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=209374
Thoughts?
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=209374
Thoughts?
Why is DK's recovery considered to be better than Bowser's? Don't they technically work the same way? Also, I do not like the position of where Ike's and Fox's recovery have been listed on that recovery tier list. This list is 'meh' by my standards.
B!squick
Smash Master
DK UpB -> Wider hitbox, longer distance, slight invicibilty and/or super armor I think.
Bowser UpB -> More priority, more height, better invincibility.
And Solo-mar > Solo Climber despite what the list says. Someone showed a vid of Oli's UpB with no Pikmen... and it's, like, better than having just 2 or 3.
Bowser UpB -> More priority, more height, better invincibility.
And Solo-mar > Solo Climber despite what the list says. Someone showed a vid of Oli's UpB with no Pikmen... and it's, like, better than having just 2 or 3.
I think DK has SA frames on his ^B when he starts the attack, but still, it's easy to hit him out of it when I use Kirby. Overall however, I don't think that their recovery rankings should differ THAT much from each other.
Also, Olimar still kinda has a recovery even when he does not have Pikmin with him because his ^B kinda gives him a small boost jump which can be controlled, even when he's rising in the air. Sadly, you can't do that with Ivysaur. Also, the solo IC >B recovery got worse in this game. Therefore, I think that solo Olimar can do better than both Ivysaur AND a solo IC when it comes to recovering with NO pikmin.
B!squick
Smash Master
Yeah, Ivysaur's recovery is horrendously trashy. He's pretty nuts on stage if you know what you're doing (I saw that one combo vid o.o)
itsthebigfoot knows Bowser and DK really well, I wonder which he thinks is better...
itsthebigfoot knows Bowser and DK really well, I wonder which he thinks is better...
Hey, I posted this in the Grab Release thread, too, (and I thank JayDeth for his response there) but I'm posting it here in hopes of more advice, since I'm going to a tournament Friday.
Can you guys give me any specific advice on how to ensure a ground release out of Bowser's grab? If it's more or less just getting lucky on the timing of the break, that's OK, but if there's anything at all that could help me get those coveted ground releases more often I'd like to know about it.
I just feel like my opponents are slipping out into the air too often, or I'm mashing A so much that my timing is off when they do break on the ground.
Can you guys give me any specific advice on how to ensure a ground release out of Bowser's grab? If it's more or less just getting lucky on the timing of the break, that's OK, but if there's anything at all that could help me get those coveted ground releases more often I'd like to know about it.
I just feel like my opponents are slipping out into the air too often, or I'm mashing A so much that my timing is off when they do break on the ground.
MrEh
Smash Hero
Pay attention to their %. Also, pay attention to how fast your opponent is mashing out of your grab.
With practice, you can actually predict when your opponent will break out of your grab as long as you pay close attention to those two things.
Practice practice practice. ^^
With practice, you can actually predict when your opponent will break out of your grab as long as you pay close attention to those two things.
Practice practice practice. ^^
Thank you. This is basically what I've been trying to do, and I'm just glad to hear that this is the right route. I've practiced enough against the CPU that I'm good with the percentage, but the human element is really giving me trouble. This thing definitely takes some practice...hopefully I'll get it down eventually.
MrEh
Smash Hero
Indeed. If you do it enough, you should be able to predict when your opponent will break out of your grab.
Pummeling your opponent will cause them to break out faster. With the right timing, you can force a ground release if you mash pummel a split second before they're released.
After that, feel free to wail on them with whatever you want. ^^
Pummeling your opponent will cause them to break out faster. With the right timing, you can force a ground release if you mash pummel a split second before they're released.
After that, feel free to wail on them with whatever you want. ^^
B!squick
Smash Master
Is there any special reason why this board seems to be very inactive?
On a side note, can someone take a some screen shots for me if I send them the pictures? I played Adventure mode and let Giant Bowser get a Smash Orb. :O
On a side note, can someone take a some screen shots for me if I send them the pictures? I played Adventure mode and let Giant Bowser get a Smash Orb. :O
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
Cause noone plays Bowser competetively. The spirit of Melee Bowser still lingers around. <_<
B!squick
Smash Master
*uber face palms!*
Search for the term "MrEh" on YouTube and tell me no one plays Bowser competitively. Go ahead, I'll wait.
I think it's just because no one represents Bowser that's of any important. No one here has a cool title.
And it doesn't help that Bowser's metagame is STAGNANT! It seems nothing awesome has been found out about Bowser since the infinite jump. On all of the other boards, people are constantly CONSTANTLY figuring out new ****. Browse the other boards every once in a while if you get a chance, lord knows 90% of the time nothing is going on here, and just take a look at the cool stuff you'll stumble across. I randomly walked in on the Ganon board earlier and someone had made a topic saying, "hey, when you ground a Wiz Kick, buffer a Jab. If the Wiz Kick hits, cool. If it get's beat out, eh. But if it clanks they take an electric palm to the face, sweet." I heard Falcon has a combo to Falcon Punch now.
I realise though that new techs don't make the metagame and reasons why are in my sig. But holy **** I can't imagine how DULL this board is going to be after we finish our match up thread. I think at that point we'll all just silently agree that Bowser is complete and the Bowser Board is complete. It's then that we'll go our separate ways and pick up second mains if we haven't already. They might as well lock the board just for ****s and grins.
....
T_T
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MrEh
Smash Hero
Fixed.
My Bowser isn't as good as theirs are.
B!squick
Smash Master
Hobobloke
Atemon Game
They do use Bowser at tournaments.
Case closed.
B!squick
Smash Master
Really? Then please, show me the match where Vex used Bowser at CoT4. Or any other tourny for that matter that had more than 10 people.
They do use Bowser at tournaments.
Case closed.
Hobobloke
Atemon Game
Well Vex doesn't use bowser alot in tourneys but Sliq definitely does.
B!squick
Smash Master
Eh...
I searched youtube for "sliq bowser" and got vids as new as 3 months ago. I then searched the tourny results board for the term "sliq."
http://www.smashboards.com/search.php?searchid=2129573
I counted only 2 placings going back as far as October of last year. MrEh is so ballsy he plays Bowser vs. DeDeDe on Green Hills Zone.
Hobobloke
Atemon Game
Don't get me wrong I <3 MrEh as much as you, I was just trying to show that he isn't the only good bowser who plays him in tourneys. Anyways lets drop this silly little arguement andall be friends again
B!squick
Smash Master
It's nothing against you or anyone else, it's merely carry over from my rant.
... And I wasn't kidding when I said I wouldn't be surprised if they just locked this Board after the match up thread. What more needs to be done or said that anyone would care about? I'm even holding off updating my tech and strategy thread just so I have something to do later.
... I'm still venting a little if you couldn't tell... -_-
... And I wasn't kidding when I said I wouldn't be surprised if they just locked this Board after the match up thread. What more needs to be done or said that anyone would care about? I'm even holding off updating my tech and strategy thread just so I have something to do later.
... I'm still venting a little if you couldn't tell... -_-
MrEh
Smash Hero
That's not me being ballsy. That's me being effing stupid.
Also, remember that Sliq and Vex are EC. Any tournament placing they get is a much bigger show of their skill compared to mine, since they have a much larger competition to deal with.
B!squick
Smash Master
How did that even happen? Did you guys forget to add it to the list of non-playable stages or something? I personally rank it up there with Summit, the "large" stages, and any sandwich that doesn't have bacon on it in terms of what should be allowed in a tournament, or anywhere if it doesn't have bacon.
MrEh
Smash Hero
That's the logical explanation, although most people who witnessed the match simply blamed it on Sakurai.
Either explanation is fine.
B!squick
Smash Master
Too true. I want whatever he was smoking. o.o
EDIT: Well, time to at least pretend to sleep. Night all.
Also, what did everyone think of my rant?
EDIT: Well, time to at least pretend to sleep. Night all.
Also, what did everyone think of my rant?
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
I was exaggerating.
Cool, we have 3 people playing Bowser in tournaments, then. How much is 3 in comparison to like 9001 Meta Knights and Snakes?
Right-o. Nuffin. ;O
I would still have to agree with JayDeth: that was really freaking ballsy. Yeah, sure, you could have chosen another character, Zelda or something, but you stuck with the big green wrecking machine, which is always the better option because he's BOWSER. In all seriousness, I think people need to stick with their guns more with Bowser--ride out the tough matches and figure out a way to deal with them. Then again, I've never played against a tournament level Ice Climber player with Bowser. That might make me rethink that.
Also, I think you're being too modest about your skill, MrEh. You play a great Bowser.
Phiddlesticks
Smash Lord
ICs are a much more enjoyable matchup than Dedede imo. So far the tournaments around here that I've been to have all banned Dedede's standing/walking chaingrab, so I'm sticking with Bowser against him at least until I get more experience in the matchup.
Vex Kasrani
Smash Master
I agree
B!squick
Smash Master
See? Even Vex agrees, so don't sell yourself so short, eh?
Also, I've seen other character specific boards doing this, so why not us? What are everyone's thoughts on a Bowser Board Community "Combo" Vid? Or complilation, whatever you want to call it.
Also, I've seen other character specific boards doing this, so why not us? What are everyone's thoughts on a Bowser Board Community "Combo" Vid? Or complilation, whatever you want to call it.