Koopa Questions: a Bowser Q&A Thread

[LinIsKorean]

Bowser is okay in doubles, but only for his kill potential. He's terribad at racking up damage quickly, so that's what you want your partner to be good at (Sheik etc.). He's also very hard to use in a 2v1 situation. I suggest staying back and using hit and run until you can score a KO. (This is just speaking from personal experience.)

 

[S_B]

Foe caught in fire breath + any killing attack from your partner usually = a KO.

But yeah, Bowser is not a 2v1 survivor. He's too big of a target and lacks the speed to repel two foes at once, especially if they're also fast.

 

[Liquid Gen]

Ok.

I'm posting with a semi opinion, semi question.

Bowser can chain his throws together quite well (not an inescapable chain grab, more like tech chasing). This includes up throw, back throw, fthrow, and down throw; all of them. Their knockback sucks so that means options out of the throw.

You can also use pivot grabbing for mindgames and to continue the grabs (Bowser's pivot grab is too good).

Basically, this is what I call Bowser v2. I was bull****ting with Havokk on MSN the other day. I said, "I'm gonna find a use for Bowser's bad moves"

And so I did.

Bowser v2 consists of pseudo chaingrabs/down air, neutral air, boost cancelled grabs, pivot grabs, etc. It puts all of Bowser's lesser used moves to use. such as nair. Nair is godly in a full hop, as is dair. And I already mentioned the pivot grabs.

So, I postged this here to kidna get it out there. I'm trying to advance it as we speak, to make it really good, right now it's in the "meh" stage.

Good idea y/n answer plx

 

[Jonas]

Dair is pretty good if you attack someone who happens to be shielding (of course it won't work on another Bowser or anyone else who has good OOS options).

I've been thinking of using Pivot Grab for grabbing people who are charging towards me (namely characters like Sonic, Jiggs, Yoshi (rolling attacks) or Meta Knight (tornado)). I know they can be grabbed regularly or with Side B, but mostly not without Bowser taking damage. The timing is also pretty hard.
(If some of you don't know this, Pivot Grab has longer range than a regular grab).

 

[Jonas]

Doublepost. Why can't I delete my posts? :\

 

[Player01]

i dont see how you can tech chase an up throw but i guess there could be some nice follow ups.

unfortunantly i never use pivot grabs. its either shield grabs or klawing.

never thought nair was a lesser used move. lol. its not THAT bad, its just not as good with reach. how about replacing dairs with nairs? since it seems a bit safer.

come to think of it i sorta have a question. when it comes to klawhopping it seems that every time i do it a few times i got shot out of the air or get aerial rushed. so basically how often should i use this and are there characters where i shouldnt even bother with it?

 

[Liquid Gen]

Bowser's pivot grabs ****. They grab BEHIND him to an extent.

Nair is lesser used, because it sucks. Same for dair.

And up throw tech chase is highly possible; the only reason people use it; it's knockback is set and thus is plenty useful for techchasing.


Don't spam koopahopping. It's very predicatable, and if you are you will get punished, like you're experiencing. Use it once in a while to mix up your game, it is best used as a mindgame rather than an offensive approach.

 

[Player01]

Bowser's pivot grabs ****. They grab BEHIND him to an extent.

Nair is lesser used, because it sucks. Same for dair.

And up throw tech chase is highly possible; the only reason people use it; it's knockback is set and thus is plenty useful for techchasing.


Don't spam koopahopping. It's very predicatable, and if you are you will get punished, like you're experiencing. Use it once in a while to mix up your game, it is best used as a mindgame rather than an offensive approach.

hmm i guess i'll have to try pivot grabbing with bowser. maybe his is better than other characters.

yeah i new nair sucked but it has its moments...sometimes.

i think i was thinking of something else when i first read it. lol

yeah i'll take that advice. im probably spamming it because i kinda picked up bowser not that long ago and i was trying to get used to it. my fingers started to hurt in training mode practicing klawhopping following attacks.

 

[Ich Bin Awesome]

I noticed you guys have a xat chat (http://xat.com/chat/room/48426129/). I'm trying to make a universal xat room that is tabbed to all individual character xats with each owner becoming an owner in this room as well.

To do it the owner has to tab xat.com/Wifi_Room
(Go to "Edit your Chat", type in Wifi_Room, click get, select it, OK)

So far the Link, Mario, Pit, and Pikachu xats are connected.

Who is the owner by the way?

 

[Liquid Gen]

^ I am.

Where exactly is this "Edit Chat"?

 

[Ich Bin Awesome]

It should be just above the sign in/sign out button

 

[Hylian]

Enjoy your sticky.

 

[B!squick]

We of the far off Isle of Bowser Board thank you, Hylian.

 

[Liquid Gen]

I feel this deserves some of mention.

And that, I mean side b "tech chasing", if you will.

Play around with it and you'll get what I mean.

 

[Blistering Speed]

As in following the DI? Agreed, I often get 2 Klaws in a row from a read.

 

[Liquid Gen]

As in following the DI? Agreed, I often get 2 Klaws in a row from a read.

Yes, basically.

And to put this in the form of a question to fit the topic,

what all CAN we do out of the little jump after landing?

what are the best follow ups?

is there a character in which a second jump > side b after a side b is inescapable (at 0%)?



The side b is interesting and this furthers it even more.

 

[B!squick]

Can someone give me a list of Bowser techs and strategies? I want to make a thread about it and go into detail about each one, but so far I've only thought of this:

-Bowser's Shield and It's Awesomeness
-The Klaw and Infinite Jumping
-Grounded Fortress to Ledge Grab
-The Bowser Bomb Dos and Don'ts
-How to Recover
-How to Keep Them From Recovering

What else?

EDIT: Ah ha, just thought of another one: Approach Options
EDIT2: Still more: The Ledge and Its Many Uses

 

[Hobobloke]

Thanks for the sticky Hylian. It's much appreciated.

After the klaw I usually try to follow up with a fair which usually works at lower percents.

 

[_Kadaj_]

Where are the bowser combo video's and who are curently the BEST bowser mains?

Links to vids?

 

[Liquid Gen]

Where are the bowser combo video's and who are curently the BEST bowser mains?

Links to vids?

I'm currently in the process of a combo vidya.

**Highlight.

 

[MrEh]

Where are the bowser combo video's and who are curently the BEST bowser mains?

Links to vids?

Combos? With BOWSER?


Best Bowser mains are Sliq and Vex. Ninjalink is good too, but he doesn't main Bowser.

 

[B!squick]

Is everyone really okay with me making that topic I suggested, or did I cover everything that can be covered in my post... or was it just ignored? x_x

 

[Skip2MaLoo]

can a falcon play some bowsers to learn the match-up?

 

[Bandit_Kieth]

recently picking up bowser and reading about

i've learned that my playstyle goes against what everyone would recommend.
it's in my nature to be aggressive, i cant sit and wait >_<

what would you guys think?

 

[Hobobloke]

Yes, basically.

And to put this in the form of a question to fit the topic,

what all CAN we do out of the little jump after landing?

what are the best follow ups?

is there a character in which a second jump > side b after a side b is inescapable (at 0%)?



The side b is interesting and this furthers it even more.

Can someone test this? I'm unable to at the moment.

recently picking up bowser and reading about

i've learned that my playstyle goes against what everyone would recommend.
it's in my nature to be aggressive, i cant sit and wait >_<

what would you guys think?

Nobody can tell you how to play but it is recommended he is played defensively because of his amazing defensive game. If you want to play aggressively thats your choice but it will make it more difficult for you.

 

[Bandit_Kieth]

challenges is what makes it interesting

 

[Atria]

What are bowser's good and bad stages? Also, reasons why would be helpful if it doesn't bother anyone too much. Thanks!

 

[Liquid Gen]

What are bowser's good and bad stages? Also, reasons why would be helpful if it doesn't bother anyone too much. Thanks!

Good:

Smashville - Ledge is impossible to miss, small blastzones good for early kos, moving platform =sex for koopahopping.

Battlefield - Utilt/Usmash ***** on platforms, platform camping, etc.

Norfair - Lots of ledges, platforms, etc. Good for ****.

Bad:

Yoshi's Island - Koopahopping is pretty much null here.

Japes - Reasons are pretty obvious.

FD - Not BAD, but bad vs. campers like Falco, etc. I generally take Snake here if I can't go Smashville.


Basically the gist of it.

 

[Atria]

Good:

Smashville - Ledge is impossible to miss, small blastzones good for early kos, moving platform =sex for koopahopping.

Battlefield - Utilt/Usmash ***** on platforms, platform camping, etc.

Norfair - Lots of ledges, platforms, etc. Good for ****.

Bad:

Yoshi's Island - Koopahopping is pretty much null here.

Japes - Reasons are pretty obvious.

FD - Not BAD, but bad vs. campers like Falco, etc. I generally take Snake here if I can't go Smashville.


Basically the gist of it.

Oh cool, this should help. Are there any others I should keep an eye out for or does Bowser do fairly well on the rest of the stages + Depends on what character my opponent chooses?

 

[Liquid Gen]

The other stages are really character dependent, in my opinion; the only one that I would think is completely TERRIBLE would be Rainbow Cruise.

But yeah, the other stages are ok with nothing special about them.

 

[Bandit_Kieth]

cool, thanks for info liquid

 

[Atria]

I'll keep all of this in mind then. Thanks for the help.

 

[Bandit_Kieth]

atria is an aussie too awesome shiz

 

[Atria]

atria is an aussie too awesome shiz

Oh wow a WA player! I think you're one of the first WA players I've seen so far on these boards. Australian smashers FTW!

 

[B!squick]

Can someone give me a list of Bowser techs and strategies? I want to make a thread about it and go into detail about each one, but so far I've only thought of this:

-Bowser's Shield and It's Awesomeness
-The Klaw and Infinite Jumping
-Grounded Fortress to Ledge Grab
-The Bowser Bomb Dos and Don'ts
-How to Recover
-How to Keep Them From Recovering

What else?

EDIT: Ah ha, just thought of another one: Approach Options
EDIT2: Still more: The Ledge and Its Many Uses

Is everyone really okay with me making that topic I suggested, or did I cover everything that can be covered in my post... or was it just ignored? x_x

Guys, you kinda defeat the purpose of a question and answer thread by not answering questions... Just wanted to point that out for everyone...

 

[Atria]

Oh wait, I just stumbled into a few CP guides. According to other people, they think that Brinstar is another bad Bowser stage and that Castle Siege is another good Bowser stage. Any reasons why they are so? Also, did you mean that Yoshi's Island Melee was a bad Bowser stage or the Brawl version?

 

[Hobobloke]

I wouldn't know about Brinstar I never play on it. Castle Seige isn't a bad stage for bowser You can can survive bowsercides during stage changes, and on the second stage you can grab release people off the side for an easy ko.

And he meant Yoshi's island brawl.

 

[Bragi]

Hey, I have a quick question. I've been working on Bowser's Up B OoS, and it works quite well in surprising/connecting with opponents, but I find that it pops them up so little (at low percents, of course) that they can usually smack me with an aerial while I'm in the ending frames of the move. Maybe I'm not moving away quickly enough or something, but I feel like I'm set up for a free hit most of the time when hit the UpB OoS, which sucks. What can I do to change this?

 

[Liquid Gen]

^ Mindgame your direction by moving one way then quickly move another.

 

[kirbywizard]

why is it I do not see enough people using the great koopa king, I mean I dont use him but I vs this really good bowser player earlier today, and in my mind why dont people use this beauty