All I heard is IN AN ACTUAL MATCH you can bank on Kirby's BAir beating Marth's FAir because no Marth is stupid enough to do any of those other bad options Kewkky says outrange Kirby's BAir (and I of course said aerials onry).
Let it be known Kewkky is in a small community of knowledgeable people who still think Marth beats the mess outta Kirby, while I'm one of the ones who sees the results and knows top-level Kirby > top-level Marth (and pretty much any level under that if you know the MU).
So you're saying that when Marth fairs and he's below us possibly under a platform, we still beat him with our bair. I didn't know Kirby's hitbox went far below his body to the point where it would beat even Marth's utilt while we land on a platform and he's under us. Thanks for the info, maybe it'll help me in the MU.
You seem to be forgetting something, JoWii...
I am talking about platform camping, and I never even said Marth was horizontal to Kirby spacing a fair.
Here's the guy's post I was replying to:
What are some good ways to platform camp?
I want to know if what I'm doing is wrong or not.
Options for BF, Yoshis and SV.
Here's the post you quoted, point out where I said Marth's fair:
Use as many as your jumps as possible while moving away from your opponent, then come back down to regain your jumps when your opponent does the same. Whenever you come down, do a landing bair to keep your opponent from getting too close, or an airdodge if they normally outrange your bair (like Marth).
Now here's your reply:
Gaaawwwdddamnit Kewkky, I said you were a reputable Kirby and YOU GO AND **** IT UP.
For the dumb Kirbies out there, like this man, Kewkky, KIRBY'S BAIR OUTRANGES MARTH'S FAIR (which, and correct me if I'm wrong is the limit of his aerial range).
Please point out where I said your bair was going to challenge his fair, please. From what I can see, I never said "you shouldn't bair through Marth's fair when you both are next to each other horizontally because it will otrange you while you're landing on a platform".
I don't agree either that when platform camping a Marth you should AD when landing to avoid a punish; IMO, you should never be in a situation where you'll be landing while Marth is within punishing range, feet planted. If anything, learn to platform camp better.
Whether or not you platform camping is the best in the universe, Marth is still under you and his attacks are fast. If you're platform camping and Marth is below you, he's going to hit you if you do anything while landing.
Anything except airdodge while landing = Marth hitting you no problem with the largest possible window for error while you land on the platform he traced your landing to, while
airdodge while landing = Marth having a noticeable window for error since his hitboxes don't stay out and if he misses due to your invincibility frames, or takes too long and hits your shield after you land, you get a free punish.
Hmm...... If I was platform camping and Marth figured out where I was trying to land when I'm trying to come down to recover my jumps, I think I would go with airdodging.
Also, my post with the pictures and stiff is true. Try it yourself, go into normal Brawl with infinite time and 2 controllers. Place Kirby at a distance from Marth where your bair won't reach him, then have them both jump and Kirby bair + Marth fair... And then put them far enough away so that Marth's fair won't hit Kirby when both are standing still, then do the same thing. An then, pull them apart from each other slowly and keep jumping>marth fair/kirby bair until only one of the two characters gets hit.
