Kirby Question and Answer/Helpful Thread directory! <(^_^)>

[hyoipear]

Yo, Masquerain was my favourite pokémon for a while

Labernash's post is good. I posted something above your post that might be helpful, too. But yeah, all in all, it's a tough MU where tight spacing and mixups after safeness is important. Shield, grabs, bair wall, occasional utilts.

Heck, double jump > FF dair right on top of his frickin shield works much better than it should. But, well, I haven't been versing Nairo, so, yeah.

Perfect. Shield.

 

[Dooms]

Yeah, I'll just have to work on getting used to Metaknight's timing a lot more. Was going somewhat even with my state's only MK with Kirby, but it was obvious that he was going to beat me due to me not knowing the match up well enough :/.

I'll keep on working on it. Thanks guys! .

Also, Masquerain is awesome! :D.

 

[Fish&Herbs19]

Have there been any successful Kirby/Snake teams? The idea seems really cool and fun and I just wanted to see that team in action.

 

[Kewkky]

Yeah there have. If Kirby gets port priority, Snake can stick him with a C4, Kirby can uthrow people while Snake sets off the c4, and people die off the top at 0%.

Plus other cool things, but that one is awesome.

 

[t!MmY]

Kirby and Snake do quite well together. Whenever there's the opportunity, Kirby can copy Snake to get grenades and together they put out a massive amount of explosives.

My general role with Kirby in this team is to stock tank for Snake as much as possible and assist him if he ever gets juggled or goes off-stage. Working together they can both survive for a long amount of time and with all the grenades and Snake Tilts they can inflict a lot of damage.

 

[Phan7om]

I have three questions, go at em as you wish.
1. What is the best way to momentum cancel? Horizontally? Vertically? (Ive seen use of the hammer, doesnt work for me)
2. Kirby has the lowest crouch. What short hopped Aerials can Kirby's crouch go under? (I've seen the crouch avoid list)
3. Now that "crouch cancelling" is possible (reduces number of hitlag frames), has any research gone into what matchups this helps us in?

 

[MikeKirby]

I have three questions, go at em as you wish.
1. What is the best way to momentum cancel? Horizontally? Vertically? (Ive seen use of the hammer, doesnt work for me)
2. Kirby has the lowest crouch. What short hopped Aerials can Kirby's crouch go under? (I've seen the crouch avoid list)
3. Now that "crouch cancelling" is possible (reduces number of hitlag frames), has any research gone into what matchups this helps us in?

1. If you're asking if Kirby can totally stop momentum with his hammer like G&W's bucket, I'm sorry to say Kirby doesn't have anything like that. Horizontally or Vertically? You mean where to DI? It depends on the attack that you took. In general terms if you took an attack while grounded you'll want to DI high. If you took an attack while really high up (ex MK Shuttle Loop) you'll want to DI low to avoid getting roofed. I'm not exactly sure what the agreed consensus is but I momentum cancel by doing an u-air and then jumping. Momentum cancelling with hammer doesn't work. I would advise not to use hammer offstage when recovering unless it's an emergency and you've used up about 3 or 4 of your midair jumps. Always be weary of your RCO lag when using it. I can't stress that enough.

2. A ton! I really can't name them all because it depends on the situation and in the form the aerial was done (fast-falled or not etc). It's something that Kirbies will learn through experience. Although, if you ask for character specifics, I'm sure everyone will give you input on their experiences on that one.

3. Link please~~

 

[Phan7om]

1. If you're asking if Kirby can totally stop momentum with his hammer like G&W's bucket, I'm sorry to say Kirby doesn't have anything like that. Horizontally or Vertically? You mean where to DI? It depends on the attack that you took. In general terms if you took an attack while grounded you'll want to DI high. If you took an attack while really high up (ex MK Shuttle Loop) you'll want to DI low to avoid getting roofed. I'm not exactly sure what the agreed consensus is but I momentum cancel by doing an u-air and then jumping. Momentum cancelling with hammer doesn't work. I would advise not to use hammer offstage when recovering unless it's an emergency and you've used up about 3 or 4 of your midair jumps. Always be weary of your RCO lag when using it. I can't stress that enough.

No. I know Kirby doesn't have G&W bucket brake properties. I remember Gonzo saying that it is best to momentum cancel horizontally with D-air > Jump+Hammer. I was wondering if that was true or not, I've never gotten it to work... so I was wondering if anyone else did.

2. A ton! I really can't name them all because it depends on the situation and in the form the aerial was done (fast-falled or not etc). It's something that Kirbies will learn through experience. Although, if you ask for character specifics, I'm sure everyone will give you input on their experiences on that one.

Yeah that makes sense, thanks Mike.

3. Link please~~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GuV42hx1hA
I know it isn't exactly 'melee crouch cancelling', but I found this interesting. Combine this with Kirby's low crouch could change up some matchups. At the end it talks about how Fino used this to help Olimar in the Falco matchup, I was just thinking it could help Kirby in the same way.

 

[MikeKirby]

No. I know Kirby doesn't have G&W bucket brake properties. I remember Gonzo saying that it is best to momentum cancel horizontally with D-air > Jump+Hammer. I was wondering if that was true or not, I've never gotten it to work... so I was wondering if anyone else did.


Yeah that makes sense, thanks Mike.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GuV42hx1hA
I know it isn't exactly 'melee crouch cancelling', but I found this interesting. Combine this with Kirby's low crouch could change up some matchups. At the end it talks about how Fino used this to help Olimar in the Falco matchup, I was just thinking it could help Kirby in the same way.

D-air is Kirby's most laggy move because of the start up. You're better off with U-air and b-air. Although, I feel by doing a b-air you tend to DI towards the blast zone which makes me feel uncomfortable. Hammering afterword doesn't do much really.

As far as that video goes, it's amazing! I can't believe I've never seen it! It actually answers a lot of the weird things that I have been able to do! There have been times where I powershielded Falco's Jab2 or MK's rapid swings (standing A) and this explains it. This is great! I'll try it here and there and see if I get anything really noteworthy. At higher percent you risk DI-ing wrong and dieing early. Although, I feel it's a great thing to utilize at lower to mid percents to avoid getting followed up on. Nice share!

 

[t!MmY]

That is really cool. It might explain why I would be able to U-tilt Falco after his D-air when I would SDI down - I didn't know why it worked but perhaps now I do.

 

[-LzR-]

So what's the use for dair? It's a slow piece of **** move that is really awkward to even try to hit with because of Kirbys lack of airmobility and it lags for 2 years. Still I find myself trying to use this move a lot.
Is there anything else but offstage dair- > footstool kill to this move?

 

[Kewkky]

If your opponent is near you and above 143% (as 143% is when the heavier characters start bouncing off the floor), and you ledgehop dair while invincible and hit him, AND he doesn't tech any hit, you can jablock any enemy. Very unlikely to do in a match and beaten by kirbycide, plus if your opponent is at 143% we can assume he's playing very well and surviving which means he won't even approach the ledge when you're hanging from it.

In short, nope. Move kinda sucks.

But hey! You can always hup-cancel thanks to dair! VERY IMPORTANT part of Kirby's metagame!

 

[-LzR-]

Does hup-canceling mean fastfalling a dair into the ground so Kirby says hup and lands during the autocancel frames while yelling hup?

 

[Kewkky]

Does hup-canceling mean fastfalling a dair into the ground so Kirby says hup and lands during the autocancel frames while yelling hup?

Yep, that's the one. Pretty crazy right? Not everyone has the techskill for it.

 

[-LzR-]

I admit I have actually used that technique and made my opponents expect a dair because of the sound and got me free grabs.

 

[2Mixer]

How difficult is the Platform Cancel, Drop and the Buffered Shield Drop with Kirby?

 

[-LzR-]

The same as it is for other characters pretty much. Nothing Kirby specific there.

 

[MikeKirby]

If your opponent is near you and above 143% (as 143% is when the heavier characters start bouncing off the floor), and you ledgehop dair while invincible and hit him, AND he doesn't tech any hit, you can jablock any enemy. Very unlikely to do in a match and beaten by kirbycide, plus if your opponent is at 143% we can assume he's playing very well and surviving which means he won't even approach the ledge when you're hanging from it.

In short, nope. Move kinda sucks.

But hey! You can always hup-cancel thanks to dair! VERY IMPORTANT part of Kirby's metagame!

-dead-

Kewkky, you're the best!

 

[extremechiton]

does kirby have a chain grab?

 

[SSS]

does kirby have a chain grab?

Kind of. On some characters with bad DI (namely, like, Fox) he can get in a couple of dthrows.

A better option though that works on more characters is fthrow --> uair --> grab --> fthrow --> and then sometimes hammer, sometimes uair, depends on the char.

 

[Kewkky]

Kind of. On some characters with bad DI (namely, like, Fox) he can get in a couple of dthrows.

A better option though that works on more characters is fthrow --> uair --> grab --> fthrow --> and then sometimes hammer, sometimes uair, depends on the char.

Sadly, Hammer isn't guaranteed ever. Best chaingrab you can have is fthrow > uair > fthrow > uair on the fastfallers/heavy characters, or dthrow > dthrow (which is beaten out by dthrow > utilt > utilt (until enemy is out of utilt range) > bair.