DerfMidWest
Fresh ******
really? I mean roy may suck, but he has some good matchups.
Kirby doesn't have any of those... his best is like a 50-50 i think...
Kirby doesn't have any of those... his best is like a 50-50 i think...
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Kirby General Discussion
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ryuu seika
Smash Master
If it turns out the Hammer Jump to Uair thing is a legitimate combo, I'd better get the credit I deserve.
EDIT: plus you'd owe me an apology...
EDIT: plus you'd owe me an apology...
Massive
Smash Champion
Aerial Hammer doesn't combo into anything ever unless you ledgecancel it.
The fact that it works sometimes in matches is more akin to people not knowing how to DI out of it than it actually being useful.
To my knowledge only gannondorf and bowser can't direcly punish an aerial hammer, and your options are highly limited after you do it.
NEW KIRBY TECHNOLOGY involves a novel use for his wavedash speed. I was screwing around vs some marths last massivesmash and found that you can wavedash out and then back in before marth can recover from the lag of landing of an L-cancelled fair/autocancelled nair. You can even chase in between fairs and use dtilt to outrange him.
The technology itself is basically a wave-dashdance that is beneficial because it's faster than his actual dashdance and run-speed and you can still break into a run out of it.
The fact that it works sometimes in matches is more akin to people not knowing how to DI out of it than it actually being useful.
To my knowledge only gannondorf and bowser can't direcly punish an aerial hammer, and your options are highly limited after you do it.
NEW KIRBY TECHNOLOGY involves a novel use for his wavedash speed. I was screwing around vs some marths last massivesmash and found that you can wavedash out and then back in before marth can recover from the lag of landing of an L-cancelled fair/autocancelled nair. You can even chase in between fairs and use dtilt to outrange him.
The technology itself is basically a wave-dashdance that is beneficial because it's faster than his actual dashdance and run-speed and you can still break into a run out of it.
SamusPoop
Banned via Warnings
so wd under marth d-tilt if he uses an air moves at said time. Underwhelming most wavedashes are faster than your run just the run is easier and has more range more offen.
Just a small spacing tool nothing too terriblely new
Just a small spacing tool nothing too terriblely new
Massive
Smash Champion
This is actually an implication for a more effective dashdance-like maneuver, not just a simple anti-marth strategy.
The game is 10 years old, what did you expect? a new B move?
The game is 10 years old, what did you expect? a new B move?
There is at least 22 Frames of nothing on 2 wavedashes(11 frames per WD when you're in Land Fall Secial) Marth Auto-canceld anything only has 3(? Not sure, cant remember what the basic land Frames are) and his Fair has 7 frames when L-Canceled. Even assuming he goes into something with larger start up like Fasmash out of it, that's only 10 frames before the move comes out. This is sort of the same thing as Air Hammer, it only works if your opponent doesnt know what he's doing. Kirby is awful
ryuu seika
Smash Master
Since the tactic involved dragging people offstage, that's certainly a feasible addition.
So the idea is thusfar:
1. Run up to a character stood at the edge of a flat stage.
2. Jump forward in such a way as to "land" offstage just behind them.
3. Immediately after Y, hit B (still holding forward) so that the last 2 hits off Hammer take place when you're level with them in mid air offstage.
4. Watch them be dragged off after you.
5. Turn and grab the ledge.
6. Immediately drop.
7. Turn round.
8. Cstick Uair.
9. Recover.
Seems a little overcomplicated and that turning sounds like it would slow everything down. Maybe not viable then but still worth looking into IMO.
DerfMidWest
Fresh ******
I don't see how that makes him too much better... I mean yea, thats cool and all, but how does that move him up so far on the tier list? I don't see it moving him up at all tbh.
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Smash Ace
That was pretty horribly underwhelming.
Massive
Smash Champion
Yep. Story checks out.
Good enough to not make it out of round 1 pools at Apex
No one. And he only won one set
Wake
Smash Master
RRR is the only real Kirby main. Discuss.
ryuu seika
Smash Master
What's to discuss? How lousy we all are in comparison? Or just in general? We've already had those conversations a million times.
Massive
Smash Champion
ryuu seika
Smash Master
It's always like that here in dreamland and it's kinda contagious.
ryuu seika
Smash Master
PM Kirby apparently bears no relation to Melee Kirby, who also bears no relation to SSB64 Kirby, the only one who was actually a competitively viable.
Massive
Smash Champion
N64 Kirby is/was awesometastical.
That game is easymode vs. anybody who can't do 0-death combos with fox/pika.
That game is easymode vs. anybody who can't do 0-death combos with fox/pika.
ryuu seika
Smash Master
Interestingly, Melee Jiggly has most of N64 Kirby's moves.
standardtoaster
Tubacabra
Massive
Smash Champion
So does kirby... lol.
The only difference is the nair/fair and how the knockback works.
Melee Jiggs has an identical moveset to 64 jiggs, everything is just better than before (except dair > rest).
The **** is this bull**** lol. Brawl Snake is an envious mother****er.
:D
ryuu seika
Smash Master
Melee Kirby plays nothing like 64 Kirby. Going back to 64 now is like learning a whole new character.
As for old Jiggly to new Jiggly, the moves are about the same aesthetically atleast but they play far more like 64 Kirby that 64 Jiggs.
DerfMidWest
Fresh ******
kirby should have 0-deaths in melee.
DerfMidWest
Fresh ******
except when they hold left or right...
Upthrow is better for that, if you position it right.
but on a big stage like dreamland or FoD certain characters (Pika, Pichu... i forget who else) can escape near the bottom and still make it back (they can for fthrow and bthrow as well, iirc)
Upthrow is better for that, if you position it right.
but on a big stage like dreamland or FoD certain characters (Pika, Pichu... i forget who else) can escape near the bottom and still make it back (they can for fthrow and bthrow as well, iirc)
DerfMidWest
Fresh ******
uhm.. yea... thats why you don't see people use them in actual play too often...
Its really easy to escape them... then kirby just kills himself and they live...
Its really easy to escape them... then kirby just kills himself and they live...
Massive
Smash Champion
Kirby's only decent throw is dthrow, and a few members of the cast can punish it at lower %s (mostly Jigglypuff).
Almost every character can punish uthrow if they are at a low enough %.
Fthrow and Bthrow are free stocks for any character when you're above 60%. Most of them can pull out and do a quick smash or tilt and send you helplessly off the stage, as both of these throws leave you airborne with no jumps.
Almost every character can punish uthrow if they are at a low enough %.
Fthrow and Bthrow are free stocks for any character when you're above 60%. Most of them can pull out and do a quick smash or tilt and send you helplessly off the stage, as both of these throws leave you airborne with no jumps.
I only Uthrow fast fallers or if im near a platform, floaties. Uthrow on FFers can lead to a pseudo tech chase, or a platform tech chase on floaties. Just not guaranteed >_>
DerfMidWest
Fresh ******
I uthrow to do kirbyside crap and I uthrow a lot on rainbow cruise because free kills are fun.