KGD - The Kewkky Thread! - Kirby's Wasteland: Dead Social

[Kewkky]

Well Twink, Snake is a pretty tough matchup. You gotta know what to do in order to win, else he'll dominate you with his tilts (his grenades aren't anything big of a deal, Kirby just jumps around them no problem at all, it's the tilts and his damage racking that gets us. A Kirby 5+ hit string = Snake nair = Snake 1jab + ftilt... So it's kinda unfair that we have to do a bunch of work and dominate our character a lot, when they can even the match with a tilt or two and survive til 180+).

My set against MPD, I took the first match and finished it in a tie with a Kirbicide, he beat me in the 3min 1stock match. Next one I cp'd his Snake to BF, and 3-stocked him with a NASTY kirbicide chain (last stock I inhaled him and jumped off, he kept escaping and returning to the stage, but as he landed I just inhaled him again and jumped off over and over again until I finally got that inhale>foorstool). Moral of the story? Once you know how to handle Snake with Kirby, the MU gets far easier. Faaaar easier...

And I'm gonna experiment with inhales now, see if I can breach into a higher skill level.

 

[Sage JoWii]

I kinda wanna get a vid of some of Kirby's rock and FC shenanigans on Picto, PS1 and YI. Seem like a good investment of time?

 

[SkylerSilver]

Yo Kewkky mannn. That Kirby Victory theme video on the first page is deleted. Just so you know. D:

 

[fromundaman]

like wolf matters why use him when their are much better options like falco and fox

That's like saying why use Kirby when MK and D3 are in the game.

Also, Wolf > Fox by far. A lot more fun too. Also X2, Wolf is more fun IMO, and plays way differently than Falco. Also does a decent job of covering our bad MUs.

The only downside to inhale break>footstool, is that real kirbycide is sooooooo much more rewarding for you and demoralizing for your opponent

I disagree. The only thing more demoralizing than a Kirbicide is a Kirbicide you don't even die from. It's like dying from Diddy's monkey hump>footstool.


Also, I disagree with Snake's grenades not being a pain. They don't hit us too often, and don't work *too* well against us as camping tools, but they provide excellent stage control, especially on stages like BF or Lylat.

 

[Kewkky]

Also, I disagree with Snake's grenades not being a pain. They don't hit us too often, and don't work *too* well against us as camping tools, but they provide excellent stage control, especially on stages like BF or Lylat.

Kirby doesn't really suffer due to grenades. What stumps us in the MU are his disjoints, really. Grenades are supposed to force us to get closer or "control the stage", but since we have 5 jumps and are floaty, that grenade-stage-control doesn't affect us at all. Literally, we just jump over them or duck under them, roll past them, w/e... They don't and shouldn't affect our gameplay much. When we DO get closer is where the disadvantage is noticed, since we gotta get past his huge range that deals huge damage and knockback and is very safe. That is what makes the MU a disadvantage, same as any other character who Kirby loses to (they all have disjoint advantage, save ICs, he has a 0>death chaingrab).

I've never had problems against Snake's grenades, it's always been his pivot grabs and tilts. The more I play against Snake, the more noticeable that fact is to me.

 

[Asdioh]

The only problem I have with Snake's grenades is that they blow up when you hit him and he's shielding. It's pretty **** stupid. Obviously, you can grab to counter this, but still, they give him a noticeable advantage just by being at his disposal. Of course, we can do the same thing to him by copying his power :D


lol at Wolf being better/more fun than Fox. Fun is subjective, but there is no way Wolf is better than Fox, excluding the dumb Pikachu chaingrab. Fox is just.... so good. :D

 

[~Shao~]

If only we had Melee Fox in Brawl...

 

[Sago]

haha you saw that mm? **** was hilarious XD i think i ended up winning it, dont really remember now. i think it was sago i did it with? if you namesearch sago, let me know

not sure if we played though

that was me baby. and i dont recall but i think you did win. very fun match against my sammy.

 

[stingers]

awwwwwwww yee

 

[fromundaman]

Ehhh, On stages like BF and Lylat, the grenades do get in the way IMO, since he can out those on a platform between the two of you to stop you from jumping, then pivot grab/tilt any ground approaches. Not saying they're MU breaking or unavoidable, just saying I feel like they shouldn't be dismissed.

However, yeah, tilts and especially that stupid pivot grab are what really hurt.


@Asdioh, yeah, fun is def. subjective, but how do you see Fox as better than Wolf? Wolf has some good MUs, some amazing spacing moves, one of the best punishers, (some) safe smashes, good OoS options, good grab game and follow-ups, good juggles, and decent killing power, as well as a mediocre projectile.

Of course, he has down sides too, like his weight, recovery, semi-blind spot below him, how punishable his tilts are, and that you can SDI his Usmash and Fsmash.
Doesn't Wolf have overall better MUs than Fox too?

 

[BBQTV]

fox is more fun then wolf and thats a fact

 

[fromundaman]

Meh, I would beg to differ, but thanks to a grammar fail, your sentence makes no sense and thus I will pretend that somehow makes me right.

 

[WindMajor]

Well Twink, Snake is a pretty tough matchup. You gotta know what to do in order to win, else he'll dominate you with his tilts (his grenades aren't anything big of a deal, Kirby just jumps around them no problem at all, it's the tilts and his damage racking that gets us. A Kirby 5+ hit string = Snake nair = Snake 1jab + ftilt... So it's kinda unfair that we have to do a bunch of work and dominate our character a lot, when they can even the match with a tilt or two and survive til 180+).

I did much better against him as Toon Link, even though I still lost. Snake is still a tough matchup that I've yet to learn. I did win as Kirby in a friendly I had early that day. It was against either Zelda or Sheik (don't remember which). I plan on using Kirby against Sheiks from now on.

 

[BBQTV]

all Sheik can do is throw needles at us and run away the whole match and hope to time us out

 

[A1lion835]

I don't wanna disrupt the MU discussions (none of my knowledge is really current :/ ), but I feel guilty that I haven't posted here in a few days. <3

My uncle and hot cousin (who live in Denver) came to visit all the NYS relatives. They visited our grandfather and his wife (not my grandmother) in Rochester, visited us for a day and are now going up to visit with our grandmother (who also lives in Rochester). It was fun. Both of my cousins (boy and girl) play ultimate frisbee, so we threw a frisbee around and I was way better than my uncle expected I've got 3 throws (backhand, flick, hammer) that I can throw pretty well and I catch well. I've seen my uncle kinda often for someone who lives 2000+ miles away, but haven't seen my cousin in 4-5 years. She's gonna be a freshman in the fall. I wrestled a bit with my uncle ^_^ in 2 years, I'll be taller than him, and then he'll be sorry .

 

[fromundaman]

I just want to say, lol @ Shiek. We **** her so hard XD

 

[Asdioh]

Well fromundaman, it sounds like a $10 Fox vs. Wolf MM is in store for the next time I see you.

 

[thrillagorilla]

Fox wins. 'cause he does in SF 64. Just say'n.

 

[A1lion835]

*Bursts in with more non-matchup talk*

The Yankees are a disappointing team >.> . They pay $200 million for their juiced lineup, and they can't score a run without hitting it 400 feet. I am enraged.

/enraged

 

[Alus]

Well fromundaman, it sounds like a $10 Fox vs. Wolf MM is in store for the next time I see you.

well bufu... Looks like you'll be playing wolf a lot more...

Looking forward to those self destructs.

 

[stingers]

lmfao @ that sig .gif

 

[Eagleye893]

Fox is fun. Wolf isn't. End of story.

Snakes nades are not too much of a problem... But with the fthrow>u/fair>regrab stuff, what should I expect? Grenade pull, so just wait and grab (airdodging into ground) or should I risk the hit? I agree with snake being a pain for Kirby. I main ness, so I go with him more often versus snake, but I was just checking the Kirby boards. So many snakes. I don't know how to get in and do some pressuring stuff with Kirby against snake. It's more a "rush in just outside tilt range and hope for a snake fail" type of thing. I don't like such risk with Kirby being so light and snake being so heavy, so I use ness so that I can avoid the inability to push the snakes buttons.

Other than that, how are Kirby mains doing? xD

 

[Lord Viper]

★ I think the Kirby mains are recovering after a while, lol. Also, I thought it was fun to spam F-Smash with Wolf. =P ♛

 

[BBQTV]

with snake you should be thinking of running the clock and grabbing and if they are near the ledge kirbyciding

 

[Sage JoWii]

>_> Don't listen to BBQ's incorrect kirbicide advice.

Uptilt destroys Kirbies going for Kirbicides when spaced correctly.

Don't rush Snake w/ Kirby, steal the power and camp OR just plain ol' camp.

 

[BBQTV]

i always seem to get snakes with it so who is the incorrect one now?

camping and timeing out is a good thing to do against snake we have the tools to do it and approaching snake is like assaulting a tank

 

[Sage JoWii]

Play better Snakes. Where do you live again?

 

[BBQTV]

are you saying you cant kirbycide snake when you can kirbycide metaknight? that silly any character can be kirbycided

 

[Sage JoWii]

I'm not saying it can't be done (I've Kirbicided both Ally and M2k @ WHOBO) but what I AM saying is that its unwise AND >_> I'm calling you out saying there's scrubby Snakes where you live, wherever that may be.

 

[BBQTV]

ok so now your saying that their scrubs just because i kirbycided them are you saying im a scrub? and does that make ally and m2k a scrub too?

 

[C~Dog]

One time, in pool matches, I was camping this Snake hardcore on Battlefield, and he was on about 120+% and i was on ~60% and then he blew up on his own grenade and uaired and i died at like 70%.

This other time, I was camping this Snake hardcore on PS2, and then he jumped and naired and I took it like a massive noob and died.

Also I play D3 now hooray!

 

[Sage JoWii]

Meh, make your assumptions.

Clear, definitive what I'm saying: (the context was advice to someone on the Snake/Kirby MU if you don't remember) Don't go for the inhale while playing the ledge; it's too risky.

>_> and the rest was just trolling but if you wanna know: Idk, how good of a player you are since I don't know what region you're from or how you place in tournaments. and Yes, M2k and Ally are scrubs. (Feel my sarcasm on that last one)

 

[BBQTV]

what is so bad about going for the inhale, because for me against snake before i knew timeing out was the way to go that was one thing that helped a lot

 

[Sage JoWii]

O_o Are you trolling me or did you seriously just ask that?

 

[BBQTV]

i am not trolling i never heard of not going for the inhale

 

[Sage JoWii]

In othernews

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=282811

Check out the 3 edition of the BBR ruleset and take careful notice of the new stage list.

@Viper, get back on that stage-discussion thread.

Kirbies, we need to examine the new stages and see if it's going to help or hinder our character. If things look in our favor, Kirby may have just stepped it up a notch.

Port Town Aero Drive
Distant Planet
Luigi's Mansion
are all on the new CP list. (I can already see hilarious rock shenanigans happening on Distant Planet AND PTAD.

 

[GeorgeTHPS]

Yeah, the stone games off the side of Distant Planet are fun. Also interesting is when the rain is in effect, Kirby can inhale and slide down the ledge, possibly catching people off guard for a Kirbycide.

I don't see PTAD being one of Kirby's better stages, but it makes sense to have it legal. The issue is that it's so big when the stage touches down to the track, allowing most other characters to run away from Kirby if they have the lead. But maybe the cars will keep that in check. Kirby can just float over them.

Luigi's Mansion might be a good pick against any character not named Meta Knight. If you decide to cp LM, I'd be wary of my opponent switching. Kirby can set up jab locks on the lower level pretty easily if your opponent misses a tech after you up tilt. Always keep in mind the stage can be destroyed, so if you run into a bad situation, it's at least worth a shot to change the stage up.

I think Kirby actually does fairly well on Green Greens, but we'll have to see. I really like how the platforms work in the center of the stage.

 

[Sage JoWii]

Guys let's bring the stage discussion to it's correct thread and continue this discussion!

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=221595&page=51

 

[fromundaman]

Well fromundaman, it sounds like a $10 Fox vs. Wolf MM is in store for the next time I see you.

Sure. Might be 5 depending on my finances.

Fox is fun. Wolf isn't. End of story.

Snakes nades are not too much of a problem... But with the fthrow>u/fair>regrab stuff, what should I expect? Grenade pull, so just wait and grab (airdodging into ground) or should I risk the hit?

Matter of opinion my friend.

Also, if you read a grenade pull, you're better off doing Fthrow>Hammer (Make sure you DI backwards while doing it). You'll hit without setting off the grenade.




Also, @Jowii: BBQTV lives in Miami, FL, which is a strong area. Not sure who he plays against regularly, but he's in a strong region.

 

[Asdioh]

One time, in pool matches, I was camping this Snake hardcore on Battlefield, and he was on about 120+% and i was on ~60% and then he blew up on his own grenade and uaired and i died at like 70%.

This other time, I was camping this Snake hardcore on PS2, and then he jumped and naired and I took it like a massive noob and died.

Also I play D3 now hooray!

DOESN'T SNAKE MAKE YOU ???

LOOK AT ME, I'M SNAKE, I CARRY MY PLAYER!

Sure. Might be 5 depending on my finances.

that's fine because I honestly don't like robbing people :/




Guys, Kirbycides should never happen. Ever.
...
But they do




edit: MOTHER OF GOD that BBR thread has FIFTEEN PAGES in only 5 hours (40 posts per page)
HOLY CRAP