K. Rool's Kremling Kutthroats: PM BKupa666 for an Invite to the New K. Rool Thread

[FlareHabanero]

@ APC99 summed it up pretty nicely.

Lately, in browsing the forums, I've noticed users here and there talking about how, "If K. Rool doesn't get in this time, his fanbase is DONE. KAPUT. OVER. SYNONYMS." or "Cranky is going to take K. Rool's place as the most wanted newcomer worldwide next game if K. Rool misses out!" Just watching over how many new users come into this thread and make first posts about K. Rool being their most wanted, and how they've grown up enjoying the character, and they have XYZ connection to him, lets me know that this is definitely not going to be the case, should the worst case scenario occur.

Like, most fans' enjoyment of the character extends so far and away beyond "I can make online flash games of him where he takes his top off and diddles my OC" or "he's the actual best character in existence because beams," it's not even funny. As such, I can't imagine the Kutthroats experiencing the same sort of complete desolation that, ah, certain other Brawl fanbases did. There's also that K. Rool has an actual legitimate shot at reappearing in his franchise, with or without Smash backing him up.

Like I mentioned before, a strong long lasting fanbase is one that is associated with the character in question. It sounds weird saying that at first, but a good sort of support comes from being passionate, not from being obligatory. When there is a crowd that wants something, like legitimately wants to play as the character, it will create a fanbase that will endure through hardships. Even if the character fails to make it in, that won't stop people from trying, because the fans want to play as the character regardless of whether or not it's likely. This is why some fanbases collapse, and other thrive. We have the Ridley fanbase for example enduring for over 10 years, despite the character failing to appear in Brawl, but still people are really persistent with the character and really hope that the character will finally show up on the roster in Super smash Bros. for Wii U/3DS. Palutena while being still fresh may also endure for a long time too.

With how King K. Rool is being treated at the moment, I have a hunch that even if the character fails to make into this game, his popularity will still endure until his finest hour comes into fruition.

 

[BridgesWithTurtles]

Much like @False Sense, I actually have no real personal connection to the character, and I support him primarily because whether or not I like him (and I do like him), he deserves to be included, no question about it. When I started supporting K. Rool, I hadn't ever even faced him in a boss battle, but despite that lack of experience, I knew who he was. I knew about him and his importance to the Donkey Kong franchise. I'd known K. Rool as a character my entire life, despite having never actually seen him on-screen in any of the Donkey Kong games. That's how much of a Nintendo all-star he is. His exposure was massive in the 90s, and he was certainly on par with other Nintendo big bads (Bowser, Ganon) during that time. To be able to put K. Rool in the spotlight with Nintendo's other big names, even if just one more time, is a dream that I can't be more enthusiastic about becoming a reality with Smash 4.

 

[BowserK.Rool]

*Honks multiple times*

 

[RadRedi]

...So, does that make me one of the few supporters here that has no personal connection with K. Rool?

You're not the only one. The only exposure I had to K. Rool until I was sixteen were trophies in Melee and Brawl. My best friend eventually got a SNES and introduced me to the DKC trilogy, but I was probably seventeen at this point, so, while I knew who the character was, I can hardly say he was a part of my childhood. I eventually became a fan of the character, but I didn't become a legitimate "for Smash" fan until a few months ago.

 

[woopyfrood]

Patterns are in K. Rool's favor.

Representation priority for a series tends to go: Protagonist, Protagonist's counterpart/sidekick/friendly rival, Most Notable Antagonist/Antagonistic Rival

For instance, Mario & Luigi were added in the same game, then Bowser was added in Melee along with Peach. Fox was in 64, Falco in Melee, and Wolf in Brawl. Link was in 64, then Young Link and Ganondorf were added in Melee. Donkey Kong and Diddy are already in, so K. Rool is the next logical step for the DK series. Considering all the attention DK is getting in recent years, he seems perfectly eligible for another slot.

Furthermore, there is usually at least one super-heavyweight character added each game, and after 64 there have always been villain newcomers. K. Rool would fill both quotas nicely.

 

[Snagrio]

Patterns are in K. Rool's favor.

Representation priority for a series tends to go: Protagonist, Protagonist's counterpart/sidekick/friendly rival, Most Notable Antagonist/Antagonistic Rival

For instance, Mario & Luigi were added in the same game, then Bowser was added in Melee along with Peach. Fox was in 64, Falco in Melee, and Wolf in Brawl. Link was in 64, then Young Link and Ganondorf were added in Melee. Donkey Kong and Diddy are already in, so K. Rool is the next logical step for the DK series. Considering all the attention DK is getting in recent years, he seems perfectly eligible for another slot.

Furthermore, there is usually at least one super-heavyweight character added each game, and after 64 there have always been villain newcomers. K. Rool would fill both quotas nicely.

Better yet, we could have two heavyweight villains (aka Ridley).

 

[MasterWarlord]

All of these people who are just supporting K. Rool because he’s deserving, bah. Gaming hadn’t really entered my life until the SNES era had already past, but I wanted and got Land 2 on the Gameboy because of seeing another kid play it. From there, I got DK64 as my first N64 game, and got a SNES from a yardsale with DKC1 and 3 for a mere $20. I was still only around 12 or 13, so yeah, I’ll qualify that as “childhood”.

K. Rool is the best main villain in Nintendo’s library. While I think that Bowser has the best design of them, he’s pretty much the poster boy for incompetency and is only very enjoyable when he’s not even antagonizing the player (RPGs). Bowser’s the one that could use a long rest like K. Rool has had, really, the Kremling’s the one that needs to show up again. K. Rool’s competency goes through the roof for a character from a franchise like his, requiring at least two, if not five, protagonists to defeat him. He also has the most difficult and actually memorable boss battles.

The fact that DK has been shunned in Smash Bros is nothing short of insulting. DK should’ve had Diddy or K. Rool with him in 64, no questions asked, when it was coming off the rich Snes era with all 3 DKC games. The fact he still had nothing in Melee is a slap to the face. Quite honestly, K. Rool should already be in the game by now, he’s long overdue. He’s an actual Nintendo all-star, unlike Rosalina or WFT. I have to wonder if the Rare buyout had to do with Diddy’s exclusion from Melee, as it’s quite bizarre that he had no trophy in Melee when K. Rool and Dixie did, as if he was planned.

I'm buying the game used if he doesn't make it.

 

[Davidreamcatcha]

^ He also had a K. Rool costume as a kid! That's dedication.

 

[cephalopod17]

I really did not get into video games until the Gamecube/PS2 era, but one of my close friends had a N64 and a SNES. We played those systems all the time. Our favorite games were the Donkey Kong ones. I have particularly strong memories of playing DK 64 with my friend. I always though K. Rool was a more serious threat than Bowser, but yet still remained a goofy likeable villain. During Brawl, I followed Smash Speculation a little and I really wanted K. Rool. Those strong childhood memories (In addition to the uniqueness) is why I support K. Rool.

Also somewhat off topic, but I recently took the Club Nintendo Post Play survey for Tropical Freeze, and I made it clear that the game would be perfect if K. Rool appeared as the main antagonist and I also stated that he needs to return for the next game.

 

[Welshy91]

I demand K. Rool's k.o. sound be that loud honk noise he makes when you hit him.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I demand K. Rool's k.o. sound be that loud honk noise he makes when you hit him.

You mean that grunt noise?

"UGH!!"

 

[BowserK.Rool]

I think he should be a second or final boss in adventure mode if they still have it for ssb4.

 

[Welshy91]

You mean that grunt noise?

"UGH!!"

Yeah that. It always made me laugh as a toddler. And suddenly I am beset by fond memories.

 

[BowserK.Rool]

Yeah that. It always made me laugh as a toddler. And suddenly I am beset by fond memories.

In that case, here's a little treat for ya.

 

[Welshy91]

In that case, here's a little treat for ya.

Oh god nostalgia. I need to have another DK race with a friend.

 

[BKupa666]

You mean that grunt noise?

"UGH!!"

 

[woopyfrood]

If K. Rool gets in, I think it would be hilarious for him to have a voice similar to the one his DKC TV show counterpart had.

It was rather high pitched and melodramatic and somehow it just fit in a comical sort of way.

"WHYYYYYY NOOOOOOOT?!"

 

[Deleted member]

Looking up the K. Rool voice actor, apparently he's the grandchild of a sir and a dame. Huh.

Sadly he doesn't seem to have been in the voice acting business since 2007, so I doubt they'd be able to get him on staff.

 

[dimensionsword64]

Perhaps. But that doesn't make your support any less legitimate or whatever. Nor does it mean you're some goldfish who's just swimming between the threads of whatever characters you've deemed most unique over the past few seconds.

Like, I can understand concern about chances or odds or whatever, but if someone would be legitimately happy to see any given character in a game, why they'd no longer feel legitimately happy to see that character if that character didn't appear in one game is beyond me.

Side note, I glanced down at the 'users viewing thread' section a few minutes ago...10 users and 20 guests. Not even for any special occasion, just on a normal night of speculation and support. That's pretty awesome.

I've never played any Donkey Kong games, except Tropical Freeze, but I just love the character so much.

 

[Snagrio]

If K. Rool gets in, I think it would be hilarious for him to have a voice similar to the one his DKC TV show counterpart had.

It was rather high pitched and melodramatic and somehow it just fit in a comical sort of way.

"WHYYYYYY NOOOOOOOT?!"

To further hammer in the point.

 

[AncientTobacco]

"WHYYYYYY NOOOOOOOT?!"

Because it sounds terrible.

I wouldn't find it "hilarious" at all. It'd be like Mario having his stupid voice from Hotel Mario ("ALL TOASTERS TOAST TOAST").

 

[BlitznBurst]

Because it sounds terrible.

I wouldn't find it "hilarious" at all. It'd be like Mario having his stupid voice from Hotel Mario ("ALL TOASTERS TOAST TOAST").

Well, excuuuse me, princess

 

[Welshy91]

That video lacks the sinister laugh he does when you get a game over. It kinda creeps me out.

 

[FalKoopa]

The Kremling voices/grunts from DKC2 always make me laugh. I wouldn't mind if K. Rool used grunts similar to those.

 

[BowserK.Rool]

L.p. q ll

Because it sounds terrible.

I wouldn't find it "hilarious" at all. It'd be like Mario having his stupid voice from Hotel Mario ("ALL TOASTERS TOAST TOAST").

I thought it was fine.

That video lacks the sinister laugh he does when you get a game over. It kinda creeps me out.

Or when he does his evil laugh before you enter a boss battle or can no longer use a certain power up in a certain area and automatically change back.

 

[Welshy91]

I have an idea if things get slow around here. I will challenge you all to a DK contest to see who can beat them the fastest. Hopefully things won't get slow enough to warrant that, but it would be somewhat interesting.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

@ APC99 summed it up pretty nicely.

Lately, in browsing the forums, I've noticed users here and there talking about how, "If K. Rool doesn't get in this time, his fanbase is DONE. KAPUT. OVER. SYNONYMS." or "Cranky is going to take K. Rool's place as the most wanted newcomer worldwide next game if K. Rool misses out!"

If anything, the only way I can see that happen is if both K. Rool and Dixie makes it into this game.

 

[Snagrio]

Wait, what if K. Rool had the voice of Eric Idle?

...

I'll throw myself out the door...

 

[Welshy91]

Or when he does his evil laugh before you enter a boss battle or can no longer use a certain power up in a certain area and automatically change back.

Ooh yeah that one was rather offsetting as well.

 

[Dropkick JD]

I swear, if Sakurai doesn't put K.Rool in but puts in Dixie, I'm done.

I mean, I'll still buy the game. But he'd be PURPOSELY ignoring one of the bigger fanbases. I just don't see it with Dixie. There's been an uproar for King K Rool for awhile now. Since Melee. It's bigger than ever now. I don't know what the issue is, but it neeeds to be addressed.

 

[Xzsmmc]

I swear, if Sakurai doesn't put K.Rool in but puts in Dixie, I'm done.

I mean, I'll still buy the game. But he'd be PURPOSELY ignoring one of the bigger fanbases. I just don't see it with Dixie. There's been an uproar for King K Rool for awhile now. Since Melee. It's bigger than ever now. I don't know what the issue is, but it neeeds to be addressed.

Same. I respect Sakurai a great deal (despite some of his more questionable decisions), but to completely ignore one of the most (if not THE most) requested characters would be inexcusable. Especially if he does indeed include Dixie over him. I've got nothing against Dixie, but if Sakurai really is shooting for uniqueness this time around, passing over K. Rool for her would be ridiculous. To say nothing of what will happen if he ignores both K. Rool and Ridley.

 

[Deleted member]

I swear, if Sakurai doesn't put K.Rool in but puts in Dixie, I'm done.

I mean, I'll still buy the game. But he'd be PURPOSELY ignoring one of the bigger fanbases. I just don't see it with Dixie. There's been an uproar for King K Rool for awhile now. Since Melee. It's bigger than ever now. I don't know what the issue is, but it neeeds to be addressed.

It'd be outright confusing if Dixie got in over K. Rool, considering all the references and secondary content dedicated to the character in every Smash game so far plus his popularity. If all it takes is to be in the latest game, then a lot of armchair speculators are going to have a field day predicting the other newcomers.

 

[BowserK.Rool]

I swear, if Sakurai doesn't put K.Rool in but puts in Dixie, I'm done.

I mean, I'll still buy the game. But he'd be PURPOSELY ignoring one of the bigger fanbases. I just don't see it with Dixie. There's been an uproar for King K Rool for awhile now. Since Melee. It's bigger than ever now. I don't know what the issue is, but it neeeds to be addressed.

Agreed. I think an actual chatacter who's moveset is totally different is defintley better than a clone of another character. Not that I'm hating on Dixie of course. Hopefully Sakurai will do the right thing and put him in it. SSB4 could use another heavyweight as well as another villain for a certain character.

 

[mynameisBlade]

I swear, if Sakurai doesn't put K.Rool in but puts in Dixie, I'm done.

I mean, I'll still buy the game. But he'd be PURPOSELY ignoring one of the bigger fanbases. I just don't see it with Dixie. There's been an uproar for King K Rool for awhile now. Since Melee. It's bigger than ever now. I don't know what the issue is, but it neeeds to be addressed.

THIS IS EXACTLY HOW I FEEL...The King has been ignored for FAR TOO LONG!!!


HAIL TO THE KING!!!!!

 

[Deleted member]

It'd be outright confusing if Dixie got in over K. Rool, considering all the references and secondary content dedicated to the character in every Smash game so far plus his popularity. If all it takes is to be in the latest game, then a lot of armchair speculators are going to have a field day predicting the other newcomers.

While I agree that K. Rool > Dixie, this doesn't make sense to me.
What really puts K. Rool over Dixie in terms of "references and secondary content" in Smash?

 

[Deleted member]

While I agree that K. Rool > Dixie, this doesn't make sense to me.
What really puts K. Rool over Dixie in terms of "references and secondary content" in Smash?

Well he's got all kinds of trophies, stage references, stickers, and so on. I don't think Dixie has nearly as many linked to her. This is also taking kremlings as part of K. Rool, though, so it's a bit inflated, but he is their ruler.

 

[Dropkick JD]

Same. I respect Sakurai a great deal (despite some of his more questionable decisions), but to completely ignore one of the most (if not THE most) requested characters would be inexcusable. Especially if he does indeed include Dixie over him. I've got nothing against Dixie, but if Sakurai really is shooting for uniqueness this time around, passing over K. Rool for her would be ridiculous. To say nothing of what will happen if he ignores both K. Rool and Ridley.

He already bit the "uniqueness" argument in the ass when he brought back Toon Link.

Yeah, to be fair? Windwaker is probably my favorite Zelda game.

However, he's a clone.

 

[Snagrio]

He already bit the "uniqueness" argument in the *** when he brought back Toon Link.

Yeah, to be fair? Windwaker is probably my favorite Zelda game.

However, he's a clone.

At the same time, TL is a veteran. Every newcomer we've gotten so far has been unique in their own right. Yet if we do see a newcomer with clone-like properties later down the road...

 

[APC99]

Well, let's end this debate quickly.

King K. Rool has a trophy in Melee.

He also has a trophy and a sticker in Brawl. KROOL is one of the random names for a stage.

Dixie also had a trophy in Melee.

As well as a trophy and a sticker in Brawl.

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By comparison, Cranky's also had a trophy and a sticker, and is a stage cameo in Jungle Japes and, technically, 75m.

 

[BKupa666]

I'm going to say this in what I believe is the least objectionable way possible. No tears, please.

Sakurai not including K. Rool while including Dixie while simultaneously talking up how he listens to the fans and looks for unique characters would be the equivalent of a restaurant's head chef talking up its quality of service and the nuance of its food, then, instead of serving filet mignon to diners, throwing single chicken nuggets at their faces as hard as possible.