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How would you all incorporate the other personas of K. Rool into Smash Bros, if at all? I think it'd be great to put moves from each persona on the king, that would allow for a very eccentric, eclectic set befitting K. Rool, plus allow for the unique moveset that Sakurai always wanted. At the same time, applying all the various props and attacks from each form would take a large chunk of development time, the king persona alone can have a good set.

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We also have to take into context how many DK titles have been released since the Kremlings last appeared. It's only been two games if you don't count the Mario vs DK Mini games in which they were never going to appear in anyways. While the time may have been awhile, they really haven't been gone from the DK titles for too long.
 

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How would you all incorporate the other personas of K. Rool into Smash Bros, if at all? I think it'd be great to put moves from each persona on the king, that would allow for a very eccentric, eclectic set befitting K. Rool, plus allow for the unique moveset that Sakurai always wanted.
I agree with this. I do like dk64kingkrool's moveset idea, making him an interesting style of heavyweight zoning character.
 

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Question: if Gangplank Galleon was revealed as a stage, what bearing do you think this would have on K. Rool's chances?
 

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Question: if Gangplank Galleon was revealed as a stage, what bearing do you think this would have on K. Rool's chances?
It would certainly be something to consider, though I still wouldn't weight too much thought on it and go all " K. Rool is confirmed, people!" Considering how very likely I see him being in this game, it wouldn't really matter that much.
 

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Question: if Gangplank Galleon was revealed as a stage, what bearing do you think this would have on K. Rool's chances?
They will skyrock, as long as the text isn't something like "An enemy of Donkey Kong's past may appear any second".
 
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Question: if Gangplank Galleon was revealed as a stage, what bearing do you think this would have on K. Rool's chances?
His chances would definitely skyrocket, especially if it gets revealed before a potential DKCR or Tropical Freeze stage.
 

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To be fair, those two were made for DK.
K. Rool and the Kremlings were made for Battletoads and became DK characters instead.
While they were intended for Battletoads, they still ended up being DK characters. Regardless of their intended origin, they were never used for Battletoads nor have any connection outside of that, and thus they shouldn't have any legal problems as there's no strong ties that bind them to that series.

On top of that, when Rare was bought out I'd assume Nintendo made the distinction of which characters they own to avoid such legal trouble even if that was the case.
 
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The big part of why I don't really support this theory is because of a certain space dragon.
You and I both agree that he would be the next Metroid character, right? Problem is....should the theory be accurate, we would have to get somebody like Anthony Higgs or Rundas first, since Zero Suit Samus wouldn't really be counted.
Technically seeing as how Sakurai has payed even less attention to the Metroid franchise, Zero Suit Samus was probably the 2nd Metroid rep in Sakurais eyes...after making a big deal about her being a newcomer in Brawl. So if Ridley does get in, hed be the 3rd rep, BUT only bcuz of laziness, imo.

...Meta Knight is no way more obvious or famous than Dedede.
DDD is more of an evil character which gives the villain status directly to him. Its like in Pokemon Blue/Red..some people get confused and think that Gary is the villain...when he is the Rival only. Him being the last person you fight doesn't make him the villain. Giovanni was the main villain in Red/Blue.
 
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Question: if Gangplank Galleon was revealed as a stage, what bearing do you think this would have on K. Rool's chances?
I'd try to avoid jumping to conclusions, but I'd also have a hard time not thinking of K. Rool as confirmed in that case. More than pretty much any stage so far, the Gangplank Galleon is blatantly a homestage for K. Rool; if they've dug back into the classic trilogy for that specific stage, rather than, say, making the stage a generic Returns pirate ship commandeered by crabs, it'd make absolute sense that they'd bring back K. Rool along with it. It'd be like showing off a Bowser's Castle stage on the Melee DOJO before showing off Bowser himself, pretty much (that stage needs to happen this time as well).

As far as the costumes go, the route that seems pretty agreed-upon at this point is to have K. Rool take weapons from each persona and use them as specials. There's also the intriguing possibility of him being a stance character who swaps costumes and a few attacks with Down Special, which could really fulfill Sakurai's "must do something no one else can" even better than he already does.

Funny, I'm reminded of some of the old anti-K. Rool arguments in talking about his personas; oftentimes, the ignorant will claim "Oh, K. Rool has no personality, he's just a generic evil boss," then, when his character arc of descent into schizophrenia and madness is brought up, it's "Durr, of course he has to change clothes to be interesting." Oy vey.
 

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It's an absolute crime that I haven't posted here yet, seeing as K. Rool is in my Top 3 most wanted.
The King needs to make a comeback, and Smash 4 would be the prime time to do it!
 
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Where is the source for this data?
Source is Melee itself.

The Debug menu has the clones in order in which they were added (the non-clones are in alphabetical order except for Sheik).
-Falco
-Young Link
-Dr. Mario
-Roy
-Pichu
-Ganondorf

Then there's the fact Sakurai said on Ganondorf's page on the Japenese Melee site that Ganondorf was "lucky" to be included.
 

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I'd try to avoid jumping to conclusions, but I'd also have a hard time not thinking of K. Rool as confirmed in that case. More than pretty much any stage so far, the Gangplank Galleon is blatantly a homestage for K. Rool; if they've dug back into the classic trilogy for that specific stage, rather than, say, making the stage a generic Returns pirate ship commandeered by crabs, it'd make absolute sense that they'd bring back K. Rool along with it. It'd be like showing off a Bowser's Castle stage on the Melee DOJO before showing off Bowser himself, pretty much (that stage needs to happen this time as well).

As far as the costumes go, the route that seems pretty agreed-upon at this point is to have K. Rool take weapons from each persona and use them as specials. There's also the intriguing possibility of him being a stance character who swaps costumes and a few attacks with Down Special, which could really fulfill Sakurai's "must do something no one else can" even better than he already does.

Funny, I'm reminded of some of the old anti-K. Rool arguments in talking about his personas; oftentimes, the ignorant will claim "Oh, K. Rool has no personality, he's just a generic evil boss," then, when his character arc of descent into schizophrenia and madness is brought up, it's "Durr, of course he has to change clothes to be interesting." Oy vey.
Of course they need to give him a personality to stop him from being boring because he has no personality. How predictable.
 

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How would you all incorporate the other personas of K. Rool into Smash Bros, if at all? I think it'd be great to put moves from each persona on the king, that would allow for a very eccentric, eclectic set befitting K. Rool, plus allow for the unique moveset that Sakurai always wanted. At the same time, applying all the various props and attacks from each form would take a large chunk of development time, the king persona alone can have a good set.

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I'd prefer if he had all his moves from all his personas as just one character. As far as his persona appearances go, I'd say just have them as alternate costumes.
Question: if Gangplank Galleon was revealed as a stage, what bearing do you think this would have on K. Rool's chances?
I'd say he's defintley already in it.
 

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How would you all incorporate the other personas of K. Rool into Smash Bros, if at all? I think it'd be great to put moves from each persona on the king, that would allow for a very eccentric, eclectic set befitting K. Rool, plus allow for the unique moveset that Sakurai always wanted. At the same time, applying all the various props and attacks from each form would take a large chunk of development time, the king persona alone can have a good set.

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My opinion is that his down special should alternate between his King costume and his kaptain costume ( seeing as those are the most iconic costumes) I feel that haveing one of his personality's useing the other's moves and gaget is a bit wrong and kinda waters down his insanety. Ofcourse my dream scenario would be both the king and kaptain beeing separate charecters in ssb4 but the likely hood of that happening is like close to zero.
 

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I'd prefer if he had all his moves from all his personas as just one character. As far as his persona appearances go, I'd say just have them as alternate costumes.

I'd say he's defintley already in it.
My problem with that is his krown toss is likely to be a special and it'd be a lot of extra work to code in the different headgear for the different personas.
 

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Pardon the ridiculousness of this tangent, but for some reason I'd really love to see a wedding bride persona for K. Rool. Imagine him wearing a white gown too small for him and fighting the Kongs by running around, crying hysterically and throwing bouquets.
Like a certain Big Lipped Alligator from All Dogs Go to Heaven? :troll:
 

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How would you all incorporate the other personas of K. Rool into Smash Bros, if at all? I think it'd be great to put moves from each persona on the king, that would allow for a very eccentric, eclectic set befitting K. Rool, plus allow for the unique moveset that Sakurai always wanted. At the same time, applying all the various props and attacks from each form would take a large chunk of development time, the king persona alone can have a good set.

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Excellent Idea. Or they could be just alternate costumes but keep the krown jejjeje.
 

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My problem with that is his krown toss is likely to be a special and it'd be a lot of extra work to code in the different headgear for the different personas.
True but maybe the pirate hat can have a sharp razor edge around it when he tosses it. And the frankenstein head cap could have a sharp point when he takes it off to toss it as well.
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Excellent Idea. Or they could be just alternate costumes but keep the krown jejjeje.
That would work too, he could maybe take it out of his pocket when he's in pirate and scientist form.
 

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How would you all incorporate the other personas of K. Rool into Smash Bros, if at all? I think it'd be great to put moves from each persona on the king, that would allow for a very eccentric, eclectic set befitting K. Rool, plus allow for the unique moveset that Sakurai always wanted. At the same time, applying all the various props and attacks from each form would take a large chunk of development time, the king persona alone can have a good set.

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Seems obvious.

Honestly, it shouldn't be hard at all. Neutral b attack being a crown throw, in air up b could be the propeller, final Smash could be him pulling out the blunder buss for one hit cannon shots.
 
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I actually thought a good up smash would be using the blunderbuss to shoot up into the sky and have the cannonballs fall back down in a Thunderbolt-like attack. If you put all the various moves from his three final boss fights on one set, you can easily fill up all 20+ inputs with really creative, awesome moves.
 

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K. Rool could have one special to represent each personality - Krown Toss for Neutral B, Propeller for Up B, and Blunderbuss for his Side B.

Maybe a powerful horizontal leap for his Down B? Or a chomping attack?
 

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K. Rool could have one special to represent each personality - Krown Toss for Neutral B, Propeller for Up B, and Blunderbuss for his Side B.

Maybe a powerful horizontal leap for his Down B? Or a chomping attack?
Down B could be butt shockwaves from DK64.
 

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I haven't played DK64, though i felt he could have a ground-pound like move. I didn't mention it because Bowser has a similar Down B.
K. Rool's is different than Bowser's. Rather then jumping into the air and slamming down, he bounces off the ground to produce the shockwaves. Said waves are the main danger from it, which could be easily translated into Smash Bros. Maybe they could trip up anyone who hits them?

Almost every K. Rool moveset I've ever seen has the crown, blunderbuss, propeller pack, and shockwave slam as his special moves. He's an absolute no brainer to make a moveset for. Here's hoping Sakurai sees that.
 
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A special to represent each DKC/64 game would be marvelous. Although if this were all on the King persona, we may have to lose the propeller for a more generic Dedede style jump, that feels the most right. Although not as right as a playing dead taunt on down taunt.
 

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Question: if Gangplank Galleon was revealed as a stage, what bearing do you think this would have on K. Rool's chances?
It would do the same for K. Rool that Pyrosphere/Palutena's Arena/The Boxing Ring/Find Mii have done for their respective characters, aka I'd consider K. Rool's chances to be boosted up even further than his already high chances already are.
 
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It would do the same for K. Rool that Pyrosphere/Palutena's Arena/The Boxing Ring/Find Mii have done for their respective characters, aka I'd consider K. Rool's chances to be boosted up even further than his already high chances already are.
No mention of Arena Ferox?
 
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That DK TV show, it's so terrible yet oddly charming.
Question: if Gangplank Galleon was revealed as a stage, what bearing do you think this would have on K. Rool's chances?
An enemy from the Kong's past may appear at any moment
Jokes aside, It'll definitely have a more positive impact on his chances because of how fitting it is.
 
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