K. Rool's Kremling Kutthroats: PM BKupa666 for an Invite to the New K. Rool Thread

[BKupa666]

At the same time, a standard Returns or Tropical Freeze stage wouldn't really have any bearing on K. Rool, IMO. I'm definitely expecting one of those regardless of whether or not the Gangplank Galleon shows up, what with new games having a definite impact on new stages and all.

 

[Xzsmmc]

DK could easily get two stages again, especially given it's recent revival. I expect a stage based on Returns, though I'm not 100% on a Tropical Freeze one. With how recent it is, it could go the way Mario Galaxy did in Brawl.

If we do end up seeing a Gangplank Galleon stage, I'll be cautiously hyped. It would be promising, but ultimately meaningless until K. Rool is actually confirmed.

 

[Sehnsucht]

DK could easily get two stages again, especially given it's recent revival. I expect a stage based on Returns, though I'm not 100% on a Tropical Freeze one. With how recent it is, it could go the way Mario Galaxy did in Brawl.

If we do end up seeing a Gangplank Galleon stage, I'll be cautiously hyped. It would be promising, but ultimately meaningless until K. Rool is actually confirmed.

I can't fathom why they would include Gangplank without K Rool. It's specific to his character, and his alone (as it was the final boss stage in DKC).

You might make a similar argument for Rosalina, but the Galaxy games had Mario as the protagonist (and Bowser as the antagonist). Pyrosphere is a different case also, as it isn't nearly as tied to Ridley as Gangplank is to K Rool (all of this assuming Pyrosphere is Ridley's home stage).

Stages serve to represent the breadth of games and locales in a series. If they aren't interested in giving K Rool his dues as a playable character, why bother representing that aspect of the DK franchise by including what is arguably the location with the most ties to the character?

 

[Xzsmmc]

I suppose it's because of the whole Ridley thing. We know he has ties to the Pyrosphere, and we know from Sakurai's comment that he'll make some sort of appearance in the game, but we don't know to what degree. For all we know, if GG does make it as a stage, K. Rool could be relegated to being in the background, causing a shower of cannonballs.

For the record, if GG is shown as a stage, I'll still consider it a large boost to his chances, but won't jump to any real conclusions.

 

[Sehnsucht]

I suppose it's because of the whole Ridley thing. We know he has ties to the Pyrosphere, and we know from Sakurai's comment that he'll make some sort of appearance in the game, but we don't know to what degree. For all we know, if GG does make it as a stage, K. Rool could be relegated to being in the background, causing a shower of cannonballs.

For the record, if GG is shown as a stage, I'll still consider it a large boost to his chances, but won't jump to any real conclusions.

I think the difference is that Ridley hasn't fallen into unused obscurity, and that Other M is a recent game.

Including GG as a stage is to reach back into DK's history - and in so doing, acknowledging the King, whether they like it or not.

And we also have to consider everything else going on with K Rool - particularly his very high popularity and fan demand. There's no way that Sakurai isn't aware of his immense popularity. If, despite all this, they still don't want to include K Rool as a playable fighter, including GG anyway would be rather insulting toward that demographic, even if it wasn't intended as such.

 

[Welshy91]

I think Kremcroc Industries has been poorly represented. Fear Factory second best OST period.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

No mention of Arena Ferox?

Yeah, I know I missed it, I was actually on my way to edit my post right now

But yeah, count in Ferox too.

 

[BowserK.Rool]

with all the talk of K. Rool and the DK franchise, I thought I'd post one last game cover theme. By the way, I don't know why, but I can actually see part of this metal theme for gangplank galleon being used for K. Rool's ship in SSB4 id they decide to have it, starting. at 4:42. Hey, if they can add some cool metal and rock remixes for Samus's, Mega Man's, and Sonic's stages, why not the good'ol King's?

 

[Welshy91]

with all the talk of K. Rool and the DK franchise, I thought I'd post one last game cover theme. By the way, I don't know why, but I can actually see part of this metal theme for gangplank galleon being used for K. Rool's ship in SSB4 id they decide to have it, starting. at 4:42. Hey, if they can add some cool metal and rock remixes for Samus's, Mega Man's, and Sonic's stages, why not the good'ol King's?

They butchered the hell out of it D=
What makes Gangplank Galleon so great is the transition from jolly pirate tune to rock. If it leads in heavy then the transition means nothing.

 

[Deleted member]

Mm yeah, you shouldn't mess with the structure of that song. It means to start off all whimsical and fun, then become serious as K. Rool starts to become threatening in the fight. I always loved that little touch along with the fake kredits. If K. Rool gets in, maybe they'll add something to his single-player credits to acknowledge the fake out.

 

[Welshy91]

I'd be more interested in a Smash Bros remake of Crocodile Cacophony.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I always did associate K. Rool more so with the song Crocodile Cacophony then Gangplank Galleon.

Probably because the song Crocodile Cacophony has more of a threatening tone to it, which seems more fitting for a character with no remorse like K. Rool.

 

[Welshy91]

Gangplank Galleon is more representative of the Kremlings as a whole. I think Crocodile Cacophony is more associated with K. Rool himself because DKC2 is the more popular boss fight and it seems to be more in line with his character.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I feel Crocodile Cacophony should be used for his hypothetical trailer.

 

[Deleted member]

I can honestly see Gangplank Galleon get heard first during his trailer and then it could later transition into Crocodile Cacophony.
I'm still trying to get an idea of what his trailer could be like…

 

[Welshy91]

I feel Crocodile Cacophony should be used for his hypothetical trailer.

As much as I would like that, I think they'd go with Galleon because it goes with his king persona better.

 

[Arcanir]

Personally I feel Crocodile Cacophony actually would be a better choice, Gangplank Galleon is a good song but it kind of feels a bit too soft for a trailer unless they play up the intensity. The former has that tone that I could hear in a trailer showcasing the character, and also for the reasons Xenoblaze gave.

 

[Welshy91]

I imagine his reveal trailer having something to do with his ship. It would be odd to be playing Crocodile Cacophony on Gangplank Galleon.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I could also imagine some sort of variation of the song K. Rool Returns in his debut trailer.

 

[Xzsmmc]

I agree that Crocodile Cacophony should be used in his trailer. Fits his villainous nature better than Gangplank Galleon. The interlude that occurs around 30 seconds in is just begging to be synced up with what's happening in the trailer.

Another reason a K. Rool reveal would make me so happy is because it would kill just about every single 'leak' out there.

 

[BowserK.Rool]

They butchered the hell out of it D=
What makes Gangplank Galleon so great is the transition from jolly pirate tune to rock. If it leads in heavy then the transition means nothing.

I know, it could start out with the jolly pirate tune, then jump to something like that. Two each their own but I thought that was awesome.

I'd be cool with a crocodile cacophony remix theme as well. They should have it as an alt. theme though.

 

[foolssigma]

This was likely discussed a while back, but I just finished Tropical Freeze. The villain basically screamed K Rool not only in terms of appearance, but also in terms of his attacks. It was a great game and all, however I felt as though the guy was going to rip off his skin and be K Rool or something.

 

[Zynux]

I agree with the general consensus that Crocodile Cacophony would be much more fitting for a hype reveal trailer, since the song itself is much more suspenseful and menacing. Though ideally I would like a little bit of Gang-Plank Galleon to be incorporated into the music somehow, since the song is so iconic.

If Gang-Plank Galleon does become a stage, I would hope there will be more to the stage then just a generic, vast ocean. Perhaps maybe the entirety of Crocodile Isle should be the background of the stage, with hopefully an accurate depiction of the many worlds on the island (or better yet, possibly a traveling stage where you visits different parts of the island, including a docked Gang-Plank galleon?)

While it is highly unlikely that The Flying Krock would be used for K. Rool instead (Gang-Plank Galleon is much more iconic), I don't think I would mind at all, as The Flying Krock would be pretty impressive as a stage visually.

 

[BowserK.Rool]

They should just have all of K. Rool's stages in the game, The Flying Krock and the Mad Scientist lab could be unlockables.

 

[Welshy91]

I think the difference is that Ridley hasn't fallen into unused obscurity, and that Other M is a recent game.

Including GG as a stage is to reach back into DK's history - and in so doing, acknowledging the King, whether they like it or not.

And we also have to consider everything else going on with K Rool - particularly his very high popularity and fan demand. There's no way that Sakurai isn't aware of his immense popularity. If, despite all this, they still don't want to include K Rool as a playable fighter, including GG anyway would be rather insulting toward that demographic, even if it wasn't intended as such.

This response has nothing to do with what you just said. I like to browse this thread at night and your avatar makes that difficult for me.

 

[BKupa666]

I'd be perfectly fine hearing either Gangplank Galleon or Crocodile Cacophony as K. Rool's reveal trailer music, although I'd prefer a more hardcore remix of Gangplank Galleon than Brawl's version if the former happened. I do think that Gangplank Galleon is the more likely choice, just since it's so synonymous with the character at this point, to the point where it's even listed as "K. Rool's Theme" in its translated Japanese track on the OST.

Also, of note, GoNintendo got ahold of that "K. Rool is referenced on a rock in Tropical Freeze" thing and some Retro guy commented on it on Twitter, saying that it was a reach. Nothing surprising, just something to note.

http://www.gonintendo.com/s/223909-...-kong-country-tropical-freeze-retro-denies-it

 

[Deleted member]

I don't believe that guy from Retro.
I guess he wants us to come up with our own interpretation, but that rock formation is obviously King K. Rool. I have no idea as to who else it would be.
They had to have King K. Rool on their minds during the development of Tropical Freeze… (especially when the final boss is basically King K. Rool)

 

[CyberWolfBia]

Nah.. even it's a abstract reference, they'll deny it... I bet they would deny about the Rare's logo reference in DKC Returns as well

 

[BKupa666]

I don't believe that guy from Retro.
I guess he wants us to come up with our own interpretation, but that rock formation is obviously King K. Rool. I have no idea as to who else it would be.
They had to have King K. Rool on their minds during the development of Tropical Freeze… (especially when the final boss is basically King K. Rool)

I agree, beyond the final boss similarities. I think that rock sits right on the line between being coincidentally similar and being an obvious reference, since an eye-shaped rock and a banana crown (those are the rare 10-banana collectibles from Retro's games, not the standard 5-banana bunches) don't just accidentally align so as to resemble the guy most fans have wanted back for a while now.

People are quick to dismiss this as a "Ridley in the clouds" thing, but looking back...we never actually found out whether those clouds were designed that way on purpose. Bowser, Ganondorf, Ridley, and Master Hand all appeared prominently within the clouds and within the SSE, just with the latter two not being playable.

 

[andimidna]

How is that K Rool? I must not be looking at it right...
Looks more like Jabba the Hut to me.

 

[Deleted member]

What makes it hard to dismiss for me is the colour of the rocks. When you add up the ten-banana crown, the formation of teeth, the eye and the green colour of the rocks, Retro simply has to be pulling GoNintendo's leg on that one.

It's probably just a meaningless, albeit respectful little reference like the one CyberWolf pointed out, but it's good to know that Retro and Nintendo haven't forgotten about King K. Rool.

 

[BowserK.Rool]

Thank god. That' s the face of a villain who no one could forget.

 

[BlitznBurst]

Yeah guys let's just ignore the people who worked on the game. What would they know about the reference they supposedly put in the game.

 

[Mysteltainn]

....sneaky Retro.

Very interesting find; I didn't notice this on my play through. I don't think it helps King K. Rool much for Smash, but I do believe we're getting an Easter Egg that could potentially lead to the krock coming back to Donkey Kong at least.

 

[FalKoopa]

I think it was said earlier, but the thread name should be changed to "Obsessed with rocks and formations" Seriously.

 

[bellboy64]

Hey there. New member long-time lurker. Decided to sign up to Smashboards mainly because of this thread as I'm a borderline obsessive very enthusiastic K. Rool fan.

So hi! And could I please be added to the Kutthroats list? I want to stand up and be counted!! :D

(And also I'm gonna be working on a King K. Rool Smash thing and I'll link/post it when I'm done. I've got ideas for Smash 4 and I want to get them of my chest-- and hopefully help silence any who actively decry his legitimacy as a cool character...)

I imagine his reveal trailer having something to do with his ship. It would be odd to be playing Crocodile Cacophony on Gangplank Galleon.

Yeah me too. I picture it starting with a general fight set-up on Gangplank Galleon with Donkey and Diddy on the playfield. (And it's *got* to be the two of them! DKC represent!) And in a similar vein of the original fight you have the Kongs on one end and then a figure BANG! into frame on the other end. Extreme close-up of various features then finally a good look.
"KING K. ROOL YADDA YADDA!"
DK and Diddy scowl and K. Rool grins evilly. Montage go!

The more I think about it the more the thought of DK and Diddy being pre-revealed makes sense. For that one idea.

 

[BKupa666]

Happy to have you here, @ bellboy64 ! I'll add you to the list when I update the OP, hopefully this weekend.

This is also a not-so-subtle bump so our new thread title can be seen and appreciated.

 

[Sehnsucht]

Happy to have you here, @ bellboy64 ! I'll add you to the list when I update the OP, hopefully this weekend.

This is also a not-so-subtle bump so our new thread title can be seen and appreciated.

Yeah, I just noticed the update. Very nice.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm liking the new title! It's a pretty clever pun!

 

[Nautilus]

Definitely support this guy.