K. Rool's Kremling Kutthroats: PM BKupa666 for an Invite to the New K. Rool Thread

[Sehnsucht]

Yeah I agree that wtf should never have been added to the roster ( who I have pretty much everything against I might add

I would never have considered her, but after seeing her in action, I very much appreciate her inclusion; to this day, she remains the most interesting of the five confirmed Newcomers, and I intend to use her plentifully.

So long as there is a K Rool (or two) for every Wii Fit Trainer, I think the SSB4 roster will be well-rounded.

 

[BlitznBurst]

I'm hopefully optimistic for K. Rool being in the third Retro DKC, regardless of Smash. One of Tanabe's quotes from around E3 stands out in stark contrast to the "Does he really need to come back? *laughs" quotes from after Returns' reveal. Tanabe responds when asked about the Kremlings (side note: people are still asking about them to the developers' faces!), claiming that "There aren't any crocodiles this time."

This time.

"This time" as in "unlike previous times." I wouldn't look too far into it, honestly

 

[BKupa666]

I think the inclusion of one of both of Ridley and K. Rool is a strong barometer as far as how extensively Sakurai listens to his fans. Those characters are the ones in the "Dedede-Diddy-Wario" position this time around, where they're the obvious next most important and wanted newcomer choices left to add. Little Mac and Mega Man are good signs for those two so far. However, my personal opinion is that Palutena and Mewtwo, the other remaining big names, don't mean much at all.

I think Palutena was a lock the moment it was confirmed that Sakurai was returning to direct, since Brawl made him notorious for his handling of the characters with whom he's closely connected, and Mewtwo was planned for every Smash game so far and is a big star in the latest Pokemon games, where being the latest star actually matters. Little Mac and Mega Man didn't have those sorts of built-in advantages, though, and neither do our two favorite heavyweight villains. Time will tell how they fare in comparison.

 

[Kickback]

I would never have considered her, but after seeing her in action, I very much appreciate her inclusion; to this day, she remains the most interesting of the five confirmed Newcomers, and I intend to use her plentifully.

So long as there is a K Rool (or two) for every Wii Fit Trainer, I think the SSB4 roster will be well-rounded.

Its not that she hasent been given a good move set I agree her moves looks good but I feel she is undeserveing as a charecter

 

[Sehnsucht]

Its not that she hasent been given a good move set I agree her moves looks good but I feel she is undeserveing as a charecter

She probably is undeserving, if we define deserving as being a Nintendo All-Star and a representative of Nintendo's gaming history and library.

But I do think that it's a pretty brilliant inclusion nonetheless, precisely because she has zero merits in that regard. She has gotten in purely because of moveset/playstyle potential (and perhaps the fact that the Wii Fit games have sold very well). That fact that she would be utterly unexpected may also have been a factor in her inclusion.

She clearly represents an exception to the rule. I can thus accept Wii Fit Trainer (and perhaps one more similar kind of character), so long as that category of characters remains constrained to 1-2 fighters.

To keep this post on-topic, I'd be very interested in seeing K Rool VS WFT. XD

 

[UltimateWario]

but I feel she is undeserveing as a charecter

Referring to deserving-ness when we have Solid Snake of all people in Smash, even before characters like Ridley and K. Rool?

looooool

 

[BKupa666]

"This time" as in "unlike previous times." I wouldn't look too far into it, honestly

That counterpoint does merit consideration, yes. However, my thinking is that, after the Tikis in Returns, the consensus shouldn't have been an expectations for the Kremlings to be back as usual next game (hopes =/= expectations). As such, I interpreted it as "they're not there this time, but could maybe be there other times."

 

[Kickback]

Referring to deserving-ness when we have Solid Snake of all people in Smash, even before characters like Ridley and K. Rool?

looooool

Well he has played a inportent part in gaming history granted not much on Nintendo console's ( also always thought he was way to realistic looking to be part of brawl) but the same can be said about Sonic

 

[RadRedi]

Well he has played a inportent part in gaming history granted not much on Nintendo console's ( also always thought he was way to realistic looking to be part of brawl) but the same can be said about Sonic

He is a legendary character, yes, but calling him a Nintendo All-Star would be dead wrong. Even some of the characters that actually represent Nintendo are a stretch to call All-Stars without quoting their Smash inclusion. Taking that into consideration, as well as how the Wii Fit series has printed money for Nintendo, I think it's safe to say that WFT is deserving of her role. People were thinking "I didn't expect that" when she was revealed, but they weren't thinking "who is that?!".

As others have said above me, though, Little Mac and Mega Man are a testament to Sakurai listening to the fans. I don't think we have a lot to worry about with K. Rool.

 

[Xzsmmc]

She probably is undeserving, if we define deserving as being a Nintendo All-Star and a representative of Nintendo's gaming history and library.

But I do think that it's a pretty brilliant inclusion nonetheless, precisely because she has zero merits in that regard. She has gotten in purely because of moveset/playstyle potential (and perhaps the fact that the Wii Fit games have sold very well). That fact that she would be utterly unexpected may also have been a factor in her inclusion.

She clearly represents an exception to the rule. I can thus accept Wii Fit Trainer (and perhaps one more similar kind of character), so long as that category of characters remains constrained to 1-2 fighters.

To keep this post on-topic, I'd be very interested in seeing K Rool VS WFT. XD

Fat vs. fit? Although K. Rool and Wario are pretty fit despite their weight. K. Rool can leap clear across Gangplank Galleon, and his strength is on par with Bowser or Petey Piranha. Wario can do multiple flips, run very fast, and can suplex a huge dinosaur. I don't think WFT would have much to complain about.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

I won't mind WFT as long as they add some of the most requested characters.

If we end up having Mii, Villager, Wii Fit Trainer and so on without any of the fan favorites that will be frustrating, and it's possible Sakurai may go in that direction. Little Mac was a sign he does listen to fans though, especially on the international level.

I didn't mind WFT initially, and I could easily accept Villager as it's obvious that if not for Sakurai shooting him down post-Brawl he'd be a very popular choice. The moment I began getting a little worried about the newcomer pool was with Rosalina though. Mario didn't really need another playable character, and out of all the choices they chose Rosalina over the likes of Toad and Bowser Jr. Yes, I see that her potential payed off, but I really can't accept if she's in over either K. Rool or Ridley who are both much more recognized faces in the Nintendo fanbase and have potential to be at least just as unique. I mean, if we consider the likely leaked characters to be in, that being Palutena, Mii and Pac-Man, that leaves us at 8 newcomers. Then there's the highly speculated retro newcomer, which seems to be a given due to Sakurai's early comments on having plans to revive another franchise. Whoopi doo, we're already at 9 newcomers, unless we of course count Mewtwo, in which case we're at 10. I really hope there aren't any more left-field reveals like a potential Zelda newcomer, in which case we'll probably have to cross out either K. Rool, Ridley or an FE newcomer. Heck, maybe we're forced to do so already, we don't know if going over 10 is crossing the line, and I'm not willing to let anyone of those three go just to have a fitness lady and a space babysitter.

Little Mac's reveal made me more hopeful though, otherwise the reveals thus far seems to be very targeted towards a mainstream crowd, which I'm not sure benefits us as a hardcore Smash fanbase.

It's probably worth noting that while I might sound a bit pessimistic with this post, I do in fact still have high hopes for both Ridley and K. Rool. This is just me thinking out the worst case scenario though.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Taking that into consideration, as well as how the Wii Fit series has printed money for Nintendo, I think it's safe to say that WFT is deserving of her role. People were thinking "I didn't expect that" when she was revealed, but they weren't thinking "who is that?!".

Well, actually no, I was confused that Wii Fit Trainer was actually a thing.

Despite be having a copy of Wii Fit, I never knew it actually had a character of any sort. Then again I only played it once for the varies minigames.

 

[BKupa666]

The WFT qualifies as an All-Star, but I still hate the fact that it's in the game, since there could have been so many different shock characters who contribute more than just "Ha ha, exercise joke! Ha ha, unfunny Miiverse pic!" For example, a Hunting Dog where you control the crosshair and manipulate the Dog's attacks correspondingly.

Had I been around during E3 2006, I probably would have hated Snake's friendship-based inclusion as well, but now that he's in Brawl, I want him back for SSB4, simply because it's yet another big fan request that no characters be cut if at all possible.

Also, we're toeing the line between on and off topic here.

 

[Deleted member]

I didn't mind WFT initially, and I could easily accept Villager as it's obvious that if not for Sakurai shooting him down post-Brawl he'd be a very popular choice. The moment I began getting a little worried about the newcomer pool was with Rosalina though. Mario didn't really need another playable character, and out of all the choices they chose Rosalina over the likes of Toad and Bowser Jr. Yes, I see that her potential payed off, but I really can't accept if she's in over either K. Rool or Ridley who are both much more recognized faces in the Nintendo fanbase and have potential to be at least just as unique. I mean, if we consider the likely leaked characters to be in, that being Palutena, Mii and Pac-Man, that leaves us at 8 newcomers. Then there's the highly speculated retro newcomer, which seems to be a given due to Sakurai's early comments on having plans to revive another franchise. Whoopi doo, we're already at 9 newcomers, unless we of course count Mewtwo, in which case we're at 10. I really hope there aren't any more left-field reveals like a potential Zelda newcomer, in which case we'll probably have to cross out either K. Rool, Ridley or an FE newcomer. Heck, maybe we're forced to do so already, we don't know if going over 10 is crossing the line, and I'm not willing to let anyone of those three go just to have a fitness lady and a space babysitter.

Little Mac's reveal made me more hopeful though, otherwise the reveals thus far seems to be very targeted towards a mainstream crowd, which I'm not sure benefits us as a hardcore Smash fanbase.

It's probably worth noting that while I might sound a bit pessimistic with this post, I do in fact still have high hopes for both Ridley and K. Rool. This is just me thinking out the worst case scenario though.

These are exactly my thoughts, and it's not pessimistic, it's a possible outcome. Sakurai's comment on pulling out his hair trying to figure out the roster will have more significance if we end up being denied a huge newcomer like Ridley (no pun intended) or King K. Rool. However at this rate, if we follow the process of elimination, we're getting down into some nasty looking numbers.

Where I feel we are good, though, is that DK is a big franchise. Bigger now than it has been since the first Super Smash Bros. If there is a new DK rep, it would make sense for it to be K. Rool. If they do deny DK a rep I can see the worst happening.

It's all up in the air until we know for sure. You simply have to hold onto the belief that Sakurai knows what he's doing and will do what makes the most sense. If he's acting illogically, we'd never be able to predict or impact the outcome, making the speculation worthless. On the bright side, Little Mac was a fan favorite.

I think Sakurai will make room both for characters like Villager, Rosalina and Wii Fit Trainer who are mostly random, to keep us on our toes, but will add just as many popular characters like MegaMan or Little Mac. I think he's mostly just thinking of reps that stand for entirely different concepts as reps themselves on top of what the fans want. Although that will end up being idiotic if he really doesn't add the obvious reps.

Sorry if this is getting off-topic. Didn't see that until I'd already posted, whoops.

 

[Sxips]

Isn't our mighty King loved by smash players around the world even in japan. Sakurai has noted he has strong amount of fans as shown in his melee trophy and that was even before Brawl. King K Rool is going through what Diddy went through out pre-Brawl such as making him irrelevant as he wasn't included in Jungle Beat (Yes i do know he was in Mario Spinoffs, etc around that time). Despite Brawl representing elements from Jungle Beat such as Rumble Falls, Diddy still got in the game. Our King shouldn't worry about not being included. Hell I wouldn't even mind if he was back as trophy or a stage hazard for that matter. As long as he shows up in way, It can show at least Nintendo haven't forgotten about him. King K Rool would bring so much unique potential in his move set. So please Sakurai don't screw this up I don't want this Bad Ass King to become Wart 2.0

 

[GreenKirby]

Strong new releases helped sales of Wii U software and Nintendo 3DS software in February increase by more than 180 percent and more than 25 percent, respectively, over the same month last year. Wii U software sales were driven by the Feb. 21 launch of Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, which sold more than 130,000 combined physical and digital units in its first eight days on the market. This helped sales of Wii U hardware increase by nearly 25 percent over the same month last year.

Suck it, Neogaf

 

[Pacack]

Bravely Default outsold Awakening? I was expecting it to do well, but better than Awakening?

 

[Johnknight1]

It's in the game, I think it's in World 4-1. I'm certain I passed by it now that the image refreshed my memory, but later I could go on through the level again to make sure.

Alright, thanks for confirming this to me!

I just wanted to make sure I didn't rely on some internet article for facts!

 

[andimidna]

Can somebody convince me that I should add K Rool to my roster?
So far I'm not convinced....

 

[Mr. Mumbles]

Can somebody convince me that I should add K Rool to my roster?
So far I'm not convinced....

Do you like fun? That's all that needs to be said really.

As for K. Rool, you all are probably right. I just have a bad feeling about this. Please Sakurai, do not let us down.

 

[andimidna]

Do you like fun? That's all that needs to be said really.

As for K. Rool, you all are probably right. I just have a bad feeling about this. Please Sakurai, do not let us down.

Well, sure, he's fun.
Well, I've never played as him, so I don't completely know that.
But Cranky and Dixie are very fun Tropical Freeze.
Why is K Rool likely?

 

[Johnknight1]

Can somebody convince me that I should add K Rool to my roster?
So far I'm not convinced....

"Imp Midna, Rosalina, Palutena, Tiki, Chrom & Lucina, Dixie Kong, Anna, Bayonetta, Ghirahim, Mewtwo, Ganon, Impa, Shulk, Krystal, Takamaru, Lip, Ridley, Isaac, Saki, Megaman, Greninja, Delphox, Chesnaught, Little Mac, Cranky Kong, Villager, Isabelle, King Boo, Medusa, Pac-Man, Daitoryo, and Sheriff 4 Smash!"

Because he's better than all those characters in terms of moveset, playstyle, and skillset potential, maybe sans Isaac, Mewtwo (previously playable so doesn't count), Shulk, Mega Man (confirmed so doesn't count), Rosalina (confirmed so she doesn't count), Little Mac (confirmed so doesn't count) and Bayonetta.

 

[bellboy64]

Can somebody convince me that I should add K Rool to my roster?
So far I'm not convinced....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S86XCXalbSE
This puts my argument into words better than I could...

Because he's better than all those characters in terms of moveset, playstyle, and skillset potential, maybe sans Isaac, Mewtwo (previously playable so doesn't count), Shulk, Mega Man (confirmed so doesn't count), Rosalina (confirmed so she doesn't count), Little Mac (confirmed so doesn't count) and Bayonetta.

I say I only want K. Rool but I would be over the frickin' moon if mah boi Shulk got some Smash action. Xenoblade was one of the Wii's greatest games and one of the best RPGs I've owned/played.

 

[Welshy91]

Can somebody convince me that I should add K Rool to my roster?
So far I'm not convinced....

K. Rool doesn't need your approval or acceptance.

 

[andimidna]

K. Rool doesn't need your approval or acceptance.

I didn't say it affect K Rool, it affects me.
I currently have Dixie as the 3rd rep on my roster, and always have,
And when I put a 4th, it's recently been Cranky.
I'll be back after watching the video the actually helpful person has already linked to me.
Nevermind, not helpful at all.
EDIT:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S86XCXalbSE
This puts my argument into words better than I could...

That was very... odd.
Was I supposed to like that? o.o
It clearly means nothing to Smash Bros.
And was awful.

"Imp Midna, Rosalina, Palutena, Tiki, Chrom & Lucina, Dixie Kong, Anna, Bayonetta, Ghirahim, Mewtwo, Ganon, Impa, Shulk, Krystal, Takamaru, Lip, Ridley, Isaac, Saki, Megaman, Greninja, Delphox, Chesnaught, Little Mac, Cranky Kong, Villager, Isabelle, King Boo, Medusa, Pac-Man, Daitoryo, and Sheriff 4 Smash!"

Because he's better than all those characters in terms of moveset, playstyle, and skillset potential, maybe sans Isaac, Mewtwo (previously playable so doesn't count), Shulk, Mega Man (confirmed so doesn't count), Rosalina (confirmed so she doesn't count), Little Mac (confirmed so doesn't count) and Bayonetta.

Hahahahahaha... oh... that's too good.
Too bad it's the exact opposite of what I asked for and just makes me dislike his fanbase more. And isn't very accurate, nor does it affect his chances.
Well, I'd actually say being able to be unique does add something, but so could everybody else listed plus hundreds of other characters.
You don't understand the possibilities of most of the surprise characters I support.

From my time on here, it's seems like there is next to nothing to consider him likely. And he is riding solely on fanbase, which has failed multiple characters in the past.
I saw some people here talking about the rocks supposedly looking like K Rool after it was deconfirmed, I saw some people here talking about how the leader of the Snowmads MUST have relation to KRool after it was confirmed to not be him.
Really?
This is the thread of denial.
Hate me for saying this, or prove me wrong peacefully with actual reasoning.
If he's got a good shot I want to know it, because I haven't changed my roster in a while.

 

[Welshy91]

I didn't say it affect K Rool, it affects me.
I currently have Dixie as the 3rd rep on my roster, and always have,
And when I put a 4th, it's recently been Cranky.
I'll be back after watching the video the actually helpful person has already linked to me.

so srs

Seriously though, lighten up, It's a K. Rool thread.

 

[bellboy64]

so srs

Seriously though, lighten up, It's a K. Rool thread.

Yeah. That escalated quickly... And what do you mean I'm not helpful? Did that mean nothing to Smash Bros. or did it mean EVERYTHING to Smash Bros. ...?!

 

[BKupa666]

Can somebody convince me that I should add K Rool to my roster?
So far I'm not convinced....

I think the OP does an alright job of laying out why he'd be a solid roster choice. Have you checked it out?

 

[andimidna]

I think the OP does an alright job of laying out why he'd be a solid roster choice. Have you checked it out?

Actually just was.
I think I just had to play DK back when he was in the series to love him.
I'll always prefer Dixie, but I am definitely considering removing Cranky for K Rool.

I see he has the most fans, and will always be a Nintendo DK character.
I see Dixie getting revealed receiving some backlash, but Cranky's would probably be a slap in the face to the taste of the majority.
I find it easy to get caught in the hype of all of the requests, but when I take a step back, I see him unlikely for some reason.
I'll have to think about this one for a while... I'm not sure what's going to happen with the DK roster...
I'll probably come back to this thread after more thought in a few days.

 

[BridgesWithTurtles]

To keep this post on-topic, I'd be very interested in seeing K Rool VS WFT. XD

 

[UltimateWario]

I think the OP does an alright job of laying out why he'd be a solid roster choice. Have you checked it out?

Thank you for introducing me to those hilarious "K. Rool for Smash" banners.

The K. Brool one destroyed my sides.

 

[BowserK.Rool]

Bowser=Mario
Ganondorf=Link
King Dedede=Kirby

What do they have in common? they're all long time archenemies and are well known and loved by fans around the world. K. Rool is Donkey Kong's equivelant to all of those. He also has an awesome moveset as well. That's why he should be in SSB4.

 

[Snagrio]

Bowser=Mario
Ganondorf=Link
King Dedede=Kirby
Ridley=Samus

What do they have in common? they're all long time archenemies and are well known and loved by fans around the world. K. Rool is Donkey Kong's equivelant to all of those. He also has an awesome moveset as well. That's why he should be in SSB4.

Fixed.

 

[BlitznBurst]

Fixed.

Ridley isn't in Smash Bros. tho

Also the "around the world" part is debatable since Metroid is almost unheard of in Japan

 

[UltimateWario]

Ridley isn't in Smash Bros. tho

Also the "around the world" part is debatable since Metroid is almost unheard of in Japan

Zelda isn't really that popular in Japan, either -cough****tastecough-, though Ganon is in Smash.

I don't think his fix was too ridiculous.

 

[BlitznBurst]

Zelda isn't really that popular in Japan, either -cough****tastecough-, though Ganon is in Smash.

I don't think his fix was too ridiculous.

fair enough i guess

 

[bellboy64]

This has likely been discussed already but what's the opinion of the King using his "girth" and weight as a major method of attacking? It's one of my favourite characteristics of him: that he's really fat... *ahem* shapely and yet somehow has muscle.
He's a brute but he ate all the pies.

I see him doing a body slam as his Dair. It could kind of work like Sonic's Dair in that it has it's own propulsion. And that thought could carry over into the Down throw. If Bowser wasn't using his maneuver I'd suggest that but I suppose he just jump/sit on the opponent instead.
But yeah if they went that route it'd be brilliant. I see him as a dirty fighter in a sense or maybe like Hakan from SSF4.

...ugh... K. Rool and oil... that's an image and a half...

 

[UltimateWario]

I don't see much of this over here, but seeing how K. Rool has the second biggest thread on the board, I figured you guys should get the luxury treatment.

-ahem, clears throat-

king krool is so stupid and old and ugly hes not going to get in ive never even played any of his games

 

[BKupa666]

king krool is so stupid and old and ugly hes not going to get in ive never even played any of his games

lol dude i played his games and still think hes generic, that means u have to take me serious

he shud be replace by mario because hes totes not generic at all

 

[Aurora Jenny]

So we totally failed on Yoshi. What does that mean for us? Are we going to have two random veterans this time?