K. Rool's Kremling Kutthroats: PM BKupa666 for an Invite to the New K. Rool Thread

[Deleted member]

Humanity's always been making nudes and porn of things.

But let's look at a cute thing now.

"Hey K. Rool! Imma boop your nose! *Boop* LOL!"

 

[Snagrio]

What's with the weird, disturbing twists and turns in this thread? It's also like this in the Ridley thread. Though I guess that's what happens whenever anything becomes popular. Just look at WFT...

 

[Deleted member]

I second that, this thread is going some bad places.

To give my two cents on the reasons why K. Rool is likely, MasterWarlord's post was great, I'd just add one thing: K. Rool represents Rareware's games. He's their archetypal villain. Conker's had a similar villain for much of the game, Gruntilda is likewise a memorable one, and Battle Toads to an extent too. K. Rool is very much a Rareware creation more than any of the Kongs. It's not a big reason why but it's something I feel Sakurai will consider.

 

[BKupa666]

Ridley and K. Rool supporters relationship always fascinated me. From what I've seen on this site, it's almost unanimous: if you support K. Rool, you most likely support Ridley, and vice-versa. Very interesting, I wonder why this is the case.

At the same time, K. Rool and Dixie supporters non-intimacy saddens me, but is unavoidable: while DK is a popular enough franchise to get 4 reps, only one new rep will be probably be added. Dixie is by far my favorite Kong, but even then I still don't believe she tops the King, who's by far more important to the Donkey Kong franchise as a whole. However it is undeniable that Dixie does have a high chance, especially now with her revival in Tropical Freeze.

Getting both Dixie and K. Rool would just be perfect for everybody, but unfortunately, we don't live in an ideal world.

I think you can chalk the similarities and differences between the fanbases up to the rationales members have for supporting all of the characters. A lot of K. Rool and Ridley fans, for example, have wanted their character playable since Melee because of them being a major, awesome series villains, and are able to bond over their shared desires, as well as the hordes of stupid detractors they face (Ridley moreso, but yeah). The very few I've seen that only want one or the other are either Anthony Higgs-supporting outliers or "K. Rool is ugly" people who turn around and deem Ridley a big, beautiful xenomorph.

By the same token, numerous DKC fans want a "Third DKC Rep" in the game no matter what, and for that reason, support both K. Rool and Dixie. That being said, the cores of the fanbases differ because plenty of others outright prefer K. Rool as a unique character (most of the non-DKC fans seem to fall into this category, although plenty of fans do as well), or think Dixie is 100% happening because of Cut Brawl Duo + Female + New Games, and that is that *Tumblr GIF here*. I do think that, if one or the other becomes confirmed, the DKC fans will surge into the fanbase of the remaining character and bolster its numbers, although the general consensus will probably end up becoming "Well, that's our 'DK Rep,' now let's focus giving 'Rep Welfare' to some more C-Listers as opposed to someone people actually give a damn about."

 

[UltimateWario]

Isn't Dixie's revival a non-issue? I mean, her "revival" wasn't even a thing back when the roster was being planned. It seems silly to me that people use Tropical Freeze as an indicator of Dixie's chances.

Besides that, it seems fairly silly to not choose the near-unanimously more popular character (who also happens to be a villain and an incredibly unique one, at that) simply because the other option appeared in a game more recently.

oh wait mewtwo

 

[Xzsmmc]

Isn't Dixie's revival a non-issue? I mean, her "revival" wasn't even a thing back when the roster was being planned. It seems silly to me that people use Tropical Freeze as an indicator of Dixie's chances.

Besides, it seems fairly silly to not choose the near-unanimously more popular character (who also happens to be a villain and an incredibly unique one, at that) simply because the other option appeared in a game more recently.

oh wait mewtwo

To play devil's advocate, Sakurai may have known about Tropical Freeze when deciding the roster. It's possible that it wasn't even a concept yet, but there's just no way to know unless someone asks Retro. Speaking of Retro, they could have specifically asked him to include Dixie. Doubtful, but it's a possibility.

With all that said though, I still say K. Rool has a very good chance. As I said in a previous post, he has literally nothing going against him. There is absolutely no reason for him not to be included. He has all the right criteria and tools to get into this game.

 

[UltimateWario]

I'm not sure Retro has that sort of pull, but everything else is entirely possible.

 

[Starcutter]

I still like Dixie.


Probably having to do with the fact she was one of my favorite as a kid.

 

[Xzsmmc]

I still like Dixie.


Probably having to do with the fact she was one of my favorite as a kid.

I like Dixie too. I just like K. Rool more.

 

[Starcutter]

I like Dixie too. I just like K. Rool more.

I like both more

 

[BKupa666]

Isn't Dixie's revival a non-issue? I mean, her "revival" wasn't even a thing back when the roster was being planned. It seems silly to me that people use Tropical Freeze as an indicator of Dixie's chances.

I think Sakurai definitely will have known she exists in Tropical Freeze, but that's literally it. He doesn't know how her revival will be received by the fans, or probably more than a general idea of what role Dixie will play in Tropical Freeze or what new ("new") moves she'll use, he just knows she exists in that game. And also, that Cranky exists in that game with exactly as much prominence as a partner.

 

[False Sense]

I like both more

I don't think that's technically possible...

 

[Sehnsucht]

I don't think that's technically possible...

That's the King J. Oke.

 

[Zynux]

I do think that, if one or the other becomes confirmed, the DKC fans will surge into the fanbase of the remaining character and bolster its numbers, although the general consensus will probably end up becoming "Well, that's our 'DK Rep,' now let's focus giving 'Rep Welfare' to some more C-Listers as opposed to someone people actually give a damn about."

I was just thinking about this last night, despite how divided Dixie and K. Rool fans are, I'm pretty confident if one gets confirm many will probably start supporting the other.

I like Dixie too. I just like K. Rool more.

I don't really like one much more then the other (I guess I slightly like K. Rool more?), but K. Rool is far more important to the franchise. When I think "Donkey Kong Country," I think of Donkey Kong, Diddy, and the Kremlings every time. Even when I wasn't a DKC fan, I still knew who Donkey Kong, Diddy, and K. Rool were and how iconic they were. Funny enough, I didn't even know or care about Dixie until I played DKC 2 a year ago.

 

[Cobalsh]

I think you can chalk the similarities and differences between the fanbases up to the rationales members have for supporting all of the characters. A lot of K. Rool and Ridley fans, for example, have wanted their character playable since Melee because of them being a major, awesome series villains, and are able to bond over their shared desires, as well as the hordes of stupid detractors they face (Ridley moreso, but yeah). The very few I've seen that only want one or the other are either Anthony Higgs-supporting outliers or "K. Rool is ugly" people who turn around and deem Ridley a big, beautiful xenomorph.

By the same token, numerous DKC fans want a "Third DKC Rep" in the game no matter what, and for that reason, support both K. Rool and Dixie. That being said, the cores of the fanbases differ because plenty of others outright prefer K. Rool as a unique character (most of the non-DKC fans seem to fall into this category, although plenty of fans do as well), or think Dixie is 100% happening because of Cut Brawl Duo + Female + New Games, and that is that *Tumblr GIF here*. I do think that, if one or the other becomes confirmed, the DKC fans will surge into the fanbase of the remaining character and bolster its numbers, although the general consensus will probably end up becoming "Well, that's our 'DK Rep,' now let's focus giving 'Rep Welfare' to some more C-Listers as opposed to someone people actually give a damn about."

You must be the God of message boards.

 

[Starcutter]

That's the King J. Oke.

No, it's not a joke. I'd rather have both.

 

[BlitznBurst]

I don't think that's technically possible...

Not with that attitude

 

[Davidreamcatcha]

How annoyed would people feel if DK didn't get a third rep at all and both K. Rool and Dixie received nothing outside the obligatory trophy mention?

I'd be pretty pissed.

 

[Deleted member]

How annoyed would people feel if DK didn't get a third rep at all and both K. Rool and Dixie received nothing outside the obligatory trophy mention?

I'd be pretty pissed.

That would be awful, especially when there is a great demand for a third DK character.
I would feel pretty ticked off. Donkey Kong deserves another rep or two.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

How annoyed would people feel if DK didn't get a third rep at all and both K. Rool and Dixie received nothing outside the obligatory trophy mention?

I'd be pretty pissed.

Donkey Kong is one of the franchises who needs a new rep the most, especially after its recent surge in popularity. I'd be pretty pissed if DK didn't get one but Mario already did. Plus, it'd be a huge waste of potential just flat out ignoring a universe with such interesting characters.

 

[FalKoopa]

How annoyed would people feel if DK didn't get a third rep at all and both K. Rool and Dixie received nothing outside the obligatory trophy mention?

I'd be pretty pissed.

To be honest, that is an incredibly unlikely situation if I do say so myself.

While DK was quite low profile in the period between Melee and Brawl, it has (almost) reached it's former glory from the SNES days with DKCR and TF. (As an example, Donkey Kong was shown off in the E3 trailer this time, but wasn't in Brawl's reveal trailer.)

Moreover, as BKupa had stated earlier in this thread, Nintendo intends to treat it as an AAA franchise, which means a lot.

And, if the impossible did happen, I wouldn't really know how to react. It would mean Nintendo/Sakurai is intentionally turning a blind eye to fan demand, something they really can't afford to do with the current state of the Wii U.

 

[BKupa666]

How annoyed would people feel if DK didn't get a third rep at all and both K. Rool and Dixie received nothing outside the obligatory trophy mention?

I'd be pretty pissed.

The only remote form of satisfaction I'd have from that is that it leaves the window open for K. Rool to become the third character in the series, since if Sakurai really blows it and adds nothing, despite two excellent new titles coming out and at least one more inevitably coming before the release of the next Smash, demand for the series' characters will skyrocket, even more than it has since Brawl. In contrast, if K. Rool doesn't get in and some other Kong does, there may end up being a large amount of whining that "DK doesn't need a Fourth Congressional Rep," despite his qualifications as a newcomer remaining top-notch.

But yeah, for the most part, I'll echo the responses thus far in that it'd be awful and a surprise...if not a DK character, who else? Beyond Pacman and maaaybe Ridley (not in Japan), there aren't any more recognizable characters leftover besides those from DK (who have a reasonable chance at entering, at least, otherwise, may as well just let in the rest of the Mario Sports cast).

 

[Swamp Sensei]

But yeah, for the most part, I'll echo the responses thus far in that it'd be awful and a surprise...if not a DK character, who else? Beyond Pacman and maaaybe Ridley (not in Japan), there aren't any more recognizable characters leftover besides those from DK (who have a reasonable chance at entering, at least, otherwise, may as well just let in the rest of the Mario Sports cast).

I'd put Miis and Mewtwo in that group as well.

 

[Deleted member]

It'd be very strange if Nintendo didn't give something to Donkey Kong. It's one of their premier exclusive franchises right now, it's bound to get a tonne of content for Returns and likely Tropical Freeze in the form of stages and trophies.

When you look at the representation in Brawl, Donkey Kong is the most obviously under-represented. What has convinced me lately that a DK newcomer is practically guaranteed is that Mario has a newcomer, a fairly random one at that and both DK veterans have been revealed. Metroid hasn't even revealed Zero Suit Samus yet, nor have they revealed Ganondorf or Sheik for Zelda. I just can't see us getting all the way to Smash 4's release without any big Donkey Kong news and it's obvious that only a character really does it.

The only way I can see it not happening is if Sakurai didn't take fan requests into account nealy as much this time, and we already got MegaMan. The only real argument to be had here, in my opinion, is who the DK newcomer will be, K. Rool or Dixie. But I'm pretty sure it's K. Rool.

I feel a better question is when. It'd be cool if someone collected a bunch of important DK dates for a reveal if it's not E3.

 

[UltimateWario]

Getting real sick of this "conspiracies" people keep cooking up, where "X company hates K. Rool". Both fans and detractors are guilty of it and it's annoying as hell.

 

[BKupa666]

I'd put Miis and Mewtwo in that group as well.

I meant as newcomer choices, since Mewtwo would be a veteran, and I don't consider the Mii to be a character, because it's not, though as a concept, it's more well-known.

As far as dates go, the anniversary of the original Donkey Kong is sometime in July, while DKC's anniversary is sometime in November.

 

[Deleted member]

Getting real sick of this "conspiracies" people keep cooking up, where "X company hates K. Rool". Both fans and detractors are guilty of it and it's annoying as hell.

I get the feeling that for K. Rool, the sentiment originates in comments that Miyamoto made on the country series a decade ago and then the removal of kremlings for tikis in Returns. It may give the sense of white-washing, but what Retro has actually said is that they simply wanted to go in their own direction with enemies and villains. Sakurai always considers fan requests for Smash Bros very important, as has already been proven in MegaMan, who was added solely on the back of fan requests and he visited Capcom HQ personally to get their approval. It is stupid to conflate a design change by Retro with Sakurai actively looking for the most popular newcomer for Donkey Kong.

Thanks for the dates. I imagine if we get the game this year, we'll likely see K. Rool at E3, in July or at the game's release. Although I would imagine it'd be E3. If they want hype, the only other characters I can see outdoing a K. Rool reveal, as far as hardcore fans go, are Ridley or maybe Mewtwo.

 

[Spazzy_D]

Isn't Dixie's revival a non-issue? I mean, her "revival" wasn't even a thing back when the roster was being planned. It seems silly to me that people use Tropical Freeze as an indicator of Dixie's chances.

Besides that, it seems fairly silly to not choose the near-unanimously more popular character (who also happens to be a villain and an incredibly unique one, at that) simply because the other option appeared in a game more recently.

oh wait mewtwo

It's because K. Rool, unlike Dixie, can't be a last minute Diddy clone.

.....

I'll only accept K. Rool if he has a tail. Tailess K. Rool is just a Wart wannabe.

 

[UltimateWario]

I'm gonna reveal my glowing, red, weak-point-esque stupidity and ask...

Does K. Rool have a tail or not? Because I've seen him with and without one.

 

[Deleted member]

Yes, K. Rool has a tail. He's a crocodile.

You don't see it much in the first three DKC games due to it being obscured. I imagine Sakurai would go for that classic look, so I doubt we'd see it in Smash.

Sadly he likely won't have Mewtwo's Project M back aerial.

 

[AustarusIV]

Ridley and K. Rool supporters relationship always fascinated me. From what I've seen on this site, it's almost unanimous: if you support K. Rool, you most likely support Ridley, and vice-versa. Very interesting, I wonder why this is the case.

At the same time, K. Rool and Dixie supporters non-intimacy saddens me, but is unavoidable: while DK is a popular enough franchise to get 4 reps, only one new rep will be probably be added. Dixie is by far my favorite Kong, but even then I still don't believe she tops the King, who's by far more important to the Donkey Kong franchise as a whole. However it is undeniable that Dixie does have a high chance, especially now with her revival in Tropical Freeze.

Getting both Dixie and K. Rool would just be perfect for everybody, but unfortunately, we don't live in an ideal world.

It's unfortunate that the same thing could be said for Ridley fans and other "minor character" fans in the Metroid fan base. Of all the detractors Ridley fans seem to get, the ones in the Metroid fan base seem to be the most venomous regarding his inclusion and will refuse to even consider the possibility of him being playable.

K. Rool is lucky in that even though Dixie Kong fans might dismiss him as being unlikely, the moment she's revealed to be a newcomer will be the day that many of them will come to support him.

 

[UltimateWario]

Sadly he likely won't have Mewtwo's Project M back aerial.

King K. Float for Smash.

 

[BKupa666]

If the Metroid "fans" traded franchises...

"K. Rool is too big! He can only truly be 'done justice' as psychotic and comedic as a boss! What about making a Kritter playable instead???"

 

[Deleted member]

King K. Rool's comedy is too high brow for Smash Bros. Too high!

 

[UltimateWario]

If the Metroid "fans" traded franchises...

"K. Rool is too big! He can only truly be 'done justice' as psychotic and comedic as a boss! What about making a Kritter playable instead???"

"Why do people ask for K. Rool when there are so many better choices?! You're completely ignoring Sumo Kong, Ninja Kong, Karate Kong...all way more important and cooler than K. Rool!"

 

[Shaking//very]

king k. rool can't be playable because donkey kong is a franchise about being with only two apes

 

[RadRedi]

"Why do people ask for K. Rool when there are so many better choices?! You're completely ignoring Sumo Kong, Ninja Kong, Karate Kong...all way more important and cooler than K. Rool!"

Totally forgot a Tiki. Tikis have been in one game. That's totally more than zero. And they're so cool. Tikis are better than K. Rool cuz K. Rool's too fat. K. Rool's too big for SSB.

 

[Kon]

king k. rool can't be playable because donkey kong is a franchise about being with only two apes

So we can't get a third ape in (Dixie or Cranky) ;D This would even increase the chances of King K.Rool. Especially as DKC1-3+DK64 were the story of two apes beating K.Rool. We have two apes and we only need K.Rool yet.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

If the Metroid "fans" traded franchises...

"K. Rool is too big! He can only truly be 'done justice' as psychotic and comedic as a boss! What about making a Kritter playable instead???"

"K. Rool is way too scary for a kids friendly game like Smash Bros. Have you seen his big eye? There's some serious infection going on there. His fat form symbolizes gluttony, can't have our children learn about that now can we?"

 

[AustarusIV]

Ooh, let me try.

"I just don't see the potential in K. Rool. He's just this obscenely huge, fat crocodile who goes around bellowing like a madman. He'd probably be a really awkward character to program, and would either be OP or the worst character in the game."