Jigglypuff Frame Data

[Veril]

D-tilt is absolutely terrible.

"Gasp"

Surprise surprise...

Illinialex is a god. Frame data is on the Jigglypuff boards.

 

[illinialex24]

"Gasp"

Surprise surprise...

Illinialex is a god. Frame data is on the Jigglypuff boards.

Oh yeah and I forgot one thing. Y'all owe me

 

[M-WUZ-H3R3]

Oh yeah and I forgot one thing. Y'all owe me

*gives a jumbo bag of cookies*

I hope you don't mind, I had one. They just looked so good.

Are you putting the D-tilt GIF.? You really should, just so we can all kill an hour watching it's lag frame by frame on a perfect sheild.

 

[illinialex24]

Added gifs for Up Tilt and Down Tilt. Getting Front Smash and other Smash data, then I will get dash attack and then roll/dodge/airdodge data

 

[PND]

Haha, I told you all that ftilt was bad.

Everytime you can ftilt, grab instead. I've been saying it for as long as I've been here.

 

[illinialex24]

Haha, I told you all that ftilt was bad.

Everytime you can ftilt, grab instead. I've been saying it for as long as I've been here.

So have I lol. U-tilt is much better as well and has a fairly solid hitbox. I'm gonna get the epic images soon so I can do the hitbox pictures MrEh was asking for.

 

[illinialex24]

Updated for Front Smash. You can see how poorly Sakurai added the start animation to the move, you can see that she starts getting ready, goes back to neutral, and does it at the original speed. He really just added around 11 frames to the start.

Front Smash is very powerful but also punishable, its knockback shows how early it will kill but also how much time there is to punish it if shielded. Its very punishable if shielded.

 

[rinoH]

f-smash:wow hits on frame 16 and has 13 for blockhitlag its not a move we should use alot especially to punish never knew it was that many frames of uselessness for fsmash

 

[illinialex24]

f-smash:wow hits on frame 16 and has 13 for blockhitlag its not a move we should use alot especially to punish never knew it was that many frames of uselessness for fsmash

Yeah, but blockhitlag isn't necessarily bad. The blockstun is the issue. We want the blockstun to be high but it isn't. I'll calculate the frames to punish later.

 

[M-WUZ-H3R3]

Wow, this is going fast.

Ouch, f-smash lag. It's a very punishable move, but it's a fairly reliable kill move. Surprisingly, it's not that hard to land in the right situation.

 

[MrEh]

I'm gonna get the epic images soon so I can do the hitbox pictures MrEh was asking for.

As soon as you get the images, I'll being the testing. (Which will probably be super tedious, but I don't mind. I like testing things. )


By the way, the Fsmash has a -40 frame advantage. That's bad. VERY BAD. Let me explain how punishable that is...

To put it simply, if Ike or Bowser shield your Fsmash, they can Fsmash you right back. And they don't even have to perfect shield it either, they have enough time to do it with a normal shield. ><

So yeah, beware.

 

[M-WUZ-H3R3]

So have I lol. U-tilt is much better as well and has a fairly solid hitbox. I'm gonna get the epic images soon so I can do the hitbox pictures MrEh was asking for.

wait..... I said I was working on a hitbox thread.

When did he ask for hitbox data?

 

[illinialex24]

wait..... I said I was working on a hitbox thread.

When did he ask for hitbox data?

A long time ago. I got pictures for him for perfect hitbox data.

 

[illinialex24]

Frame data but no pictures are up for Up Smash and Down Smash.

It turns out U-tilt has more knockback than U-Smash until like 150% on Mario, which means its a better kill move.

 

[MrEh]

Usmash has a -39 frame advantage. The Dsmash has a -44.

So yeah, it's pretty bad. Don't miss. That's all I'm going to say.

 

[Divine_Haze]

PND Here:
I killed a Martha tonight with Dsmash. It was hilarious, opposite side of Battlefield. I would have won, but I tripped into a tipper. ****.

HOW DOES JIGGS TRIP? SHE'S ALWAYS IN THE AIR!!

Arrrgh.

PND: Changing people's opinions on the puff. One playa at a time.

ALSO: Counterpick Yoshis island against Pit. That is all.

 

[MrEh]

ALSO: Counterpick Yoshis island against Pit. That is all.

Drop down, and Nair.

WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW PIT?!?!?!

 

[Veril]

Drop down, and Nair.

WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW PIT?!?!?!

Hahaha YES

I don't think Pit is a problem for Jiggs at all. Playing lots of Pit makes you really good at power shielding.


Also, I love the forward smash. Its a great move to use after a power shield.

 

[Spoonbob]

Drop down, and Nair.

WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW PIT?!?!?!

Roflmfao.

To make some sort of contribution...uh, thanks for the frame data? It's awesome.

 

[rinoH]

thanks for dsmash and lol at utilt being a better killer than usmash

 

[Phampy]

Wow, I always saw this thread but never bothered checking it. Didn't think it' d be so detailed. Fantasic job Alex.

 

[illinialex24]

Wow, I always saw this thread but never bothered checking it. Didn't think it' d be so detailed. Fantasic job Alex.

Thank you.

Oh and I tested the stuff. In kill ranges for most characters, Jigglypuff's U-tilt has a better ability to kill than U-smash. The cutoff percent for Mario is 125 on which kills better. And on most stages, U-tilt will kill before 125. However, it is a lot lot safer.

 

[illinialex24]

Uploaded the animations for every Smash. Working on dash attack now. Then I will do dodge and the other data.

 

[Veril]

sweet.

you labeled d-smash "forward smash" FYI. Might confuse people.

 

[illinialex24]

sweet.

you labeled d-smash "forward smash" FYI. Might confuse people.

Fixed. Thanks.

 

[Little England]

How did I miss this thread?! And what is THIS?! Jiggly boards actually being PRODUCTIVE

no srsly this is good stuff

 

[illinialex24]

How did I miss this thread?! And what is THIS?! Jiggly boards actually being PRODUCTIVE

no srsly this is good stuff

Thank you. Oh and I'm remaking the stage guide.

 

[Tarmogoyf]

It turns out U-tilt has more knockback than U-Smash until like 150% on Mario, which means its a better kill move.

Lol. It's Dacus only.

This is so immensley helpful, I can't even describe it. Once we can get to the aerials, we will be able to fully judge our ability to wop our opponents by challenging their aerials. Too good.

 

[SR-71]

i opened this thread and had to pick my eyes up off the floor
srsly awesome. i wonder if the creators of this game expected for such analysis to happen

 

[Veril]

When the dodge data comes in I'm gonna go nuts.

 

[Meow n Stuff]

up tilt is better then i thought.

thanks for taking the time to do this. really good stuff.
LOL at dtilt.

 

[Veril]

yeah, the frame data + hitbox info seem to suggest that up-tilt doesn't suck. I can't lie... did not expect that at all.

 

[Metatitan]

yeah, the frame data + hitbox info seem to suggest that up-tilt doesn't suck. I can't lie... did not expect that at all.

Too bad u cant rest with it

 

[illinialex24]

Dash attack is up and spot dodge is going up as we speak.

 

[Veril]

ah the spot dodge that I almost never use. Not hard to see how sh***y it is.

Its probably the single thing that makes it most difficult for me to play other characters well... spotdodge aversion.

 

[Metatitan]

ah the spot dodge that I almost never use. Not hard to see how sh***y it is.

Its probably the single thing that makes it most difficult for me to play other characters well... spotdodge aversion.

spotdodge rest

 

[Veril]

spotdodge rest

I'll rest through someone else's spotdodge thank you very much!

There's a reason I've listed spotdodge rest as an option so few times.


Also, Dash attack out on frame 4 WHAT!?

 

[Metatitan]

I'll rest through someone else's spotdodge thank you very much!

There's a reason I've listed spotdodge rest as an option so few times.


Also, Dash attack out on frame 4 WHAT!?

if only we could dacus with rest instead of up smash

 

[Metatitan]

btw veril go in the chat dyz is at work

 

[illinialex24]

if only we could dacus with rest instead of up smash

Now that'd be epic. And the issue with the frame 4 is you have to already be running.