Jaxel, 8WayRun, comments on APEX

[Deleted member]

I lied in saying that would be my last post, but Pound 5 was very, very well run. Despite the obvious scandal/ money/ scumminess(?), it was about 50x better ran than Apex

of course, the huge money scandal will make a lot of people disagree about which tournament is better or worse. Personally, to me it's like talking about if you prefer rank *** diarrhea or doggy doo. They both suck and in different ways

 

[Ryan-K]

about my previous crass posts:

i have nothing to say for myself. I'm sorry. I was going to edit them out but I got banned. Long story short, I will indeed stop posting here.

I will drop some pennies though before I leave:

I don't see why Melee and Brawl should hold hands and get along. Afterall, 95% of the Brawl community makes me sick both literally and figuratively (they smell like absolutely dookie at tournaments, thank god for split rooms)

as opposed to 95% of the melee community being cool. There are some cool Brawl players I have met though, but they are very few and beyond.

This has nothing to do with the actual game of Brawl btw, but just based on the community alone makes me wish people stop asking Melee and Brawl to band together.

In a similar vein, I understand, but don't agree with people wishing Melee (and smash overall I GUESS... SIGH...) got validation from the Fighting Game Community (which is a very lame generic term, like despite the FGC being 5-6 different games they are all apparently 1 homogenized entity that all like ****ty 2d/3d fighters (mvc2/sf3 are AMAZING, however... but they are sadly pretty much long gone in America)

why want to be acknowledged and included in a group that loves playing mediocre at best games ? lol...


whatever. Bye. sorry for my needlessly rude comments. Hope Drexel understands that Apex was possibly one of the worst national tournaments by Melee standards. Being 3 hours late isn't good at all if runners decide to sacrifice quality for time

I honestly agree with this. Neither community wants to be a part of each other so why force it? It's getting annoying. If you wanna go to a melee tournament, go to a melee tournament. If you wanna go to a brawl tournament, go to a brawl tournament. If you wanna go to an Sf4 tournament, go to an sf4 tournament. If you wanna go a mvc3 tournament, go to an mvc3 tournament.

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[fkacyan]

I honestly agree with this. Neither community wants to be a part of each other so why force it? It's getting annoying. If you wanna go to a melee tournament, go to a melee tournament. If you wanna go to a brawl tournament, go to a brawl tournament. If you wanna go to an Sf4 tournament, go to an sf4 tournament. If you wanna go a mvc3 tournament, go to an mvc3 tournament.

[easybutton.jpg]

That's not the impression I get from most of the Brawl community, actually.

ironically the people who are most resistant to Brawl is a group mostly made up of people who arent very good at Melee either

 

[Ryan-K]

That's not the impression I get from most of the Brawl community, actually.

except my post wasn't primarily about "brawl vs. melee" which is why i included sf4 and marvel as examples at well. maybe you should try reading a little better before you try your cute little passive-aggressive jabs such as this

ironically the people who are most resistant to Brawl is a group mostly made up of people who arent very good at Melee either

as if I'm supposed to care who you are as if you know me or something? funny guy.

i didn't even imply being "resistant to Brawl" but rather there's no point in forcing people to come together if they're just going to be at each other's throats ANYWAY. but hey whatever gives you an excuse to be an ******* over the internet i suppose.

 

[Zankoku]

I don't often see Melee and Brawl communities "at each other's throats" come national tournament time, so either it's typical Internet anonymity that keeps them hostile to each other online or the Melee vs Brawl hate is very much an insignificant issue.

 

[fkacyan]

cute little passive-aggressive

Im not sure this means what you think it means.

 

[Deleted member]

edit: RUDENESS TAKEN OUT FORGIVE ME

 

[twizzlerj]

about my previous crass posts:

i have nothing to say for myself. I'm sorry. I was going to edit them out but I got banned. Long story short, I will indeed stop posting here.

I will drop some pennies though before I leave:

I don't see why Melee and Brawl should hold hands and get along. Afterall, 95% of the Brawl community makes me sick both literally and figuratively (they smell like absolutely dookie at tournaments, thank god for split rooms)

as opposed to 95% of the melee community being cool. There are some cool Brawl players I have met though, but they are very few and beyond.

This has nothing to do with the actual game of Brawl btw, but just based on the community alone makes me wish people stop asking Melee and Brawl to band together.

In a similar vein, I understand, but don't agree with people wishing Melee (and smash overall I GUESS... SIGH...) got validation from the Fighting Game Community (which is a very lame generic term, like despite the FGC being 5-6 different games they are all apparently 1 homogenized entity that all like ****ty 2d/3d fighters (mvc2/sf3 are AMAZING, however... but they are sadly pretty much long gone in America)

why want to be acknowledged and included in a group that loves playing mediocre at best games ? lol...


whatever. Bye. sorry for my needlessly rude comments. Hope Drexel understands that Apex was possibly one of the worst national tournaments by Melee standards. Being 3 hours late isn't good at all if runners decide to sacrifice quality for time

Someone had to say it thank you S2J.

 

[Roller]

It was by Brawl standards as well. And Pound V was actually ran really well. 'til the whole no payout thing happened.

I had more fun at Pound V than Apex.

^ I think most people who went would agree.

And about S2J's post regarding seeding in what not. I was given a 4th seed in my pool. I double two stocked the first seed. That is complete and utter bull****. The 4th seed should not even have a snowball's chance in HELL at beating the 1st seed.

I saw something like twenty pools end in 3 way ties for 1st/2nd, half of which were perfect ties which resulted in pools needing to be replayed. That is the sure fired sign of a baboon doing the seeding.

 

[Plairnkk]

edit: RUDENESS TAKEN OUT FORGIVE ME

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

about my previous crass posts:

i have nothing to say for myself. I'm sorry. I was going to edit them out but I got banned. Long story short, I will indeed stop posting here.

I will drop some pennies though before I leave:

I don't see why Melee and Brawl should hold hands and get along.

This is acceptable and commendable. Adding something like "I don't particularly like the brawl community", while somewhat xenophobic, is reasonable. This?

Afterall, 95% of the Brawl community makes me sick both literally and figuratively (they smell like absolutely dookie at tournaments, thank god for split rooms)

as opposed to 95% of the melee community being cool. There are some cool Brawl players I have met though, but they are very few and beyond.

How the **** is this ever acceptable? It's like going on the Blizzard forums and saying that everyone who plays lives off unemployment and probably haven't left their bedroom since '08. Look, I get it. You don't like Brawl, and you don't like the brawl community. But statements like "they make me sick" should be reserved for people who are, you know, really ****ed in the head. Neo-nazis, serial killers, pedophiles, young earth creationists. Not a gamer community that you, for whatever reason, do not like.

Seriously guys, this has got to stop. And yes, I mean both sides, as little as I see this from the brawl community. I get that most Brawl and Melee players see the games as having about as much in common as Street Fighter and Starcraft... But it's more like the difference between SF4 and Third Strike, and for that reason, we're gonna be stuck together for internationals, due to reasons that should be painfully obvious. I don't like it either - I personally see large swathes of the melee community as arrogant *******s, considering themselves instantly better than any other smashers because they play Melee. But I try to keep that to myself, and ignore those people, in order to still promote an attitude of acceptance and friendliness. On a similar note:

why want to be acknowledged and included in a group that loves playing mediocre at best games ? lol...

I'd really like to know how much money Fuudo won at EVO last year. Why we should be included in that group? Because they have very real, very serious sponsors, internationals of a ridiculous scale, and prize money for single tournaments far beyond the scope of what we have. Remember MLG? Imagine that times ten.

I honestly agree with this. Neither community wants to be a part of each other so why force it? It's getting annoying. If you wanna go to a melee tournament, go to a melee tournament. If you wanna go to a brawl tournament, go to a brawl tournament. If you wanna go to an Sf4 tournament, go to an sf4 tournament. If you wanna go a mvc3 tournament, go to an mvc3 tournament.

[easybutton.jpg]

Because we're stuck together through practical terms due to TOs and location sizes, and because sharing leads to growth of communities. What's the number of people who registered for both Brawl and Melee at APEX? Or Genesis? Or any other major tournament? How many people who play Street Fighter or Marvel became interested in Brawl or Melee due to the tournament? Don't get me wrong, I'd rather have a brawl-only tournament than a tournament that has to share stream time with four other games, and I'd much rather have gotten to see Mr R or Leon play on the APEX stream, but would I sacrifice the overall success of the tournament for it? No, and I don't think anyone should want that.

 

[Zankoku]

I'd really like to know how much money Fuudo won at EVO last year. Why we should be included in that group? Because they have very real, very serious sponsors, internationals of a ridiculous scale, and prize money for single tournaments far beyond the scope of what we have. Remember MLG? Imagine that times ten.

MLG consisted of 5 events, the first four paying out $2500 to first and the last one paying $12500, for a total of $22500 for first place alone.

EVO is a single annual event that paid $20000 for first place in SSF4:AE.

So, no, multiplying MLG by ten does not give us EVO, but adding $2500 would make EVO's first place prize match up to MLG's total reward.

 

[Deleted member]

This is acceptable and commendable. Adding something like "I don't particularly like the brawl community", while somewhat xenophobic, is reasonable. This?



How the **** is this ever acceptable? It's like going on the Blizzard forums and saying that everyone who plays lives off unemployment and probably haven't left their bedroom since '08. Look, I get it. You don't like Brawl, and you don't like the brawl community. But statements like "they make me sick" should be reserved for people who are, you know, really ****ed in the head. Neo-nazis, serial killers, pedophiles, young earth creationists. Not a gamer community that you, for whatever reason, do not like.

Seriously guys, this has got to stop. And yes, I mean both sides, as little as I see this from the brawl community. I get that most Brawl and Melee players see the games as having about as much in common as Street Fighter and Starcraft... But it's more like the difference between SF4 and Third Strike, and for that reason, we're gonna be stuck together for internationals, due to reasons that should be painfully obvious. I don't like it either - I personally see large swathes of the melee community as arrogant *******s, considering themselves instantly better than any other smashers because they play Melee. But I try to keep that to myself, and ignore those people, in order to still promote an attitude of acceptance and friendliness. On a similar note:



I'd really like to know how much money Fuudo won at EVO last year. Why we should be included in that group? Because they have very real, very serious sponsors, internationals of a ridiculous scale, and prize money for single tournaments far beyond the scope of what we have. Remember MLG? Imagine that times ten.



Because we're stuck together through practical terms due to TOs and location sizes, and because sharing leads to growth of communities. What's the number of people who registered for both Brawl and Melee at APEX? Or Genesis? Or any other major tournament? How many people who play Street Fighter or Marvel became interested in Brawl or Melee due to the tournament? Don't get me wrong, I'd rather have a brawl-only tournament than a tournament that has to share stream time with four other games, and I'd much rather have gotten to see Mr R or Leon play on the APEX stream, but would I sacrifice the overall success of the tournament for it? No, and I don't think anyone should want that.

fair enough, maybe all the brawlers i personally meet suck, and I am not kidding about how bad they tend to smell. Jesus Christ

once again though, i have never seriously tried brawl enough to give a judgment about it. Watching good players like MikeHAZE/ DEHF face each other is actually pretty interesting, even though I know nothing about the game
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64 is god awful in every way possible. There are perhaps 4-5 cool people hidden in there somewhere. It is also, competitively, HORRIBLE. Most likely worse than Brawl in terms of 'ghey'ness.

it's fun though when people mess around, do cool stuff, and not play to win. that's just my opinion. **** 64
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money is definitely an incentive to get included in the FGC guttertrash because ****** sponsors support subpar games (yes i know its cuz they are popular but seriously those games kinda blow)

I'd honestly prefer to keep my dignity though, unless someone in my family gets sick and i need money or some **** like that

 

[AlphaZealot]

MLG in 2010 gave out $63,000 in prizes + ~$20,000 in travel stipends alone. Once-a-year EVO doesn't even compare money-wise. What was EVO's total payout for top 8? MLG Dallas paid out $35,000.

 

[Spelt]

64 is god awful in every way possible. There are perhaps 4-5 cool people hidden in there somewhere. It is also, competitively, HORRIBLE. Most likely worse than Brawl in terms of 'ghey'ness.

I love when people say things like this.
Are you being serious? Did you not see Apex melee GFs?

There is as much if not more proof of how gay(/uncompetitive/whatever else you want to call it) melee can be yet very rarely will anybody actually admit to it.

It's amazing how unequivocally yet completely ignorantly biased people can be sometimes.

 

[G U R U]

I love when people say things like this.
Are you being serious? Did you not see Apex melee GFs?

There is as much if not more proof of how gay(/uncompetitive/whatever else you want to call it) melee can be yet very rarely will anybody actually admit to it.

It's amazing how unequivocally yet completely ignorantly biased people can be sometimes.

If you're expecting to see a combo video in grand finals, then gtfo. When people play to win, they play as gay and safe as possible.

 

[L__]

I love when people say things like this.
Are you being serious? Did you not see Apex melee GFs?

There is as much if not more proof of how gay(/uncompetitive/whatever else you want to call it) melee can be yet very rarely will anybody actually admit to it.

It's amazing how unequivocally yet completely ignorantly biased people can be sometimes.

this post is hilarious

i'm dying

holy ****

 

[Deleted member]

I love when people say things like this.
Are you being serious? Did you not see Apex melee GFs?

There is as much if not more proof of how gay(/uncompetitive/whatever else you want to call it) melee can be yet very rarely will anybody actually admit to it.

It's amazing how unequivocally yet completely ignorantly biased people can be sometimes.

i used to be one of the best at 64, i've seen competitive 64 face to face, and I was in the horrific online community since 2006, that's why I made this smashboards account initally.

Or perhaps for the 3 years I played smash 64 I am delusional? Peruvian vids of insane camping/ superboomfan still camping? Falcon taking close to 0 skill in 64? It impresses me with how bad people are when they play the game for years when the game is EASY.

 

[Spelt]

If you're expecting to see a combo video in grand finals, then gtfo. When people play to win, they play as gay and safe as possible.

i used to be one of the best at 64, i've seen competitive 64 face to face, and I was in the horrific online community since 2006, that's why I made this smashboards account initally.

Or perhaps for the 3 years I played smash 64 I am delusional? Peruvian vids of insane camping/ superboomfan still camping? Falcon taking close to 0 skill in 64? It impresses me with how bad people are when they play the game for years when the game is EASY.

Neither of these posts have anything to do with what I said ... at all.

 

[Deleted member]

oh

my bad

 

[Strong Badam]

MLG in 2010 gave out $63,000 in prizes + ~$20,000 in travel stipends alone. Once-a-year EVO doesn't even compare money-wise. What was EVO's total payout for top 8? MLG Dallas paid out $35,000.

that's cool and all but MLG dropped brawl in 2011 so yeaaa

 

[AlphaZealot]

Yeap, it was in 2010, and EVO probably won't have paid the equivalent in prizes until 2013.

 

[Zankoku]

I think EVO's total payout roughly matches MLG Dallas 2010.

 

[Tesh]

lol @ pound 5 being well run despite.

I'm sure Apex would have been better if Alex had overspent all the entry fees until there was nothing left you guys would have had all the things you wanted during the tournament. Could have dozens more setups, way more staff and professional commentary.

Then again, the ****ty things about Pound 5 affected like 50 people instead of 1000 right?

 

[Max?]

Smash 64 is pretty whack when played competitively imo. How long can you and your opponent run away and hang out in the **** tent before someone gets bored and decides to walk into a preprogrammed/rehearsed endlessly 0-death with 0 creativity. Watching Falcon in that game makes me sick.

I think we need to stop hosting nationals that have both melee and brawl. This has nothing to do with either game being better than the other, nor am I trying to slander the Brawl community. Having both just eats away at precious time, and setups. As Apex GF's were starting and it was clear we were in for a 75 minute campfest, I started looking for my stuff and found my TV hooked up to a Brawl setup. My GC was in the other room not being used at all and all my wires were missing as well as my memory card (which is btw really ****ing fake to whoever took that stuff, but I don't really need the Cube anymore so w'e). There were almost no Melee setups Days 2 and 3 of Apex, and while I understand that they were needed so that Brawl players could time each other out every game of Pools and Bracket, I felt like the money I spent at this tournament was squandered. So many **** people I've always wanted to meet and play... and my **** is being used for another game and not for what it's intended purpose was.

TL;DR:

Nationals should focus on one game and one game only

and 64 sucks.

 

[Black Mantis]

The ignorance of the melee community astounds me.

 

[Tesh]

Smash 64 is pretty whack when played competitively imo. How long can you and your opponent run away and hang out in the **** tent before someone gets bored and decides to walk into a preprogrammed/rehearsed endlessly 0-death with 0 creativity. Watching Falcon in that game makes me sick.

I think we need to stop hosting nationals that have both melee and brawl. This has nothing to do with either game being better than the other, nor am I trying to slander the Brawl community. Having both just eats away at precious time, and setups. As Apex GF's were starting and it was clear we were in for a 75 minute campfest, I started looking for my stuff and found my TV hooked up to a Brawl setup. My GC was in the other room not being used at all and all my wires were missing as well as my memory card (which is btw really ****ing fake to whoever took that stuff, but I don't really need the Cube anymore so w'e). There were almost no Melee setups Days 2 and 3 of Apex, and while I understand that they were needed so that Brawl players could time each other out every game of Pools and Bracket, I felt like the money I spent at this tournament was squandered. So many **** people I've always wanted to meet and play... and my **** is being used for another game and not for what it's intended purpose was.

TL;DR:

Nationals should focus on one game and one game only

and 64 sucks.

But hosting Melee is the only way Brawl Nationals can get stickied without running Unity.

 

[Max?]

I have no idea what that means, nor do I care.

 

[crush]

64 reminds me a lot of wheelchair basketball, except the players grow legs and throw away the wheelchair occasionally

 

[Gea]

My GC was in the other room not being used at all and all my wires were missing as well as my memory card (which is btw really ****ing fake to whoever took that stuff, but I don't really need the Cube anymore so w'e). There were almost no Melee setups Days 2 and 3 of Apex, and while I understand that they were needed so that Brawl players could time each other out every game of Pools and Bracket, I felt like the money I spent at this tournament was squandered. So many **** people I've always wanted to meet and play... and my **** is being used for another game and not for what it's intended purpose was.

TL;DR:

Nationals should focus on one game and one game only

and 64 sucks.

I've had Melee people steal my Melee disc before. Version 1.0 as well. ****ers. And I was helping TO at the event, too. Both communities have *******s that will disrespect your belongings and it makes me very wary to take setups to events. Most people in either community are extremely nice and helpful but I've also seen lots of petty theft and even people not paying for their meals if everyone goes out to eat after the tournament. Someone ends up footing way more than their portion of the bill.

Anyways that is a bit off topic. There is enough overlap between the two communities that it seems silly not to hold events with both-- but they don't need to share setups and if they do it should only be at the consent of whoever brought the setup.

Let's face it, even if you love Brawl it takes up a lot of time and space to run, and you're right in that it should not impact Melee. So while I don't think there is anything wrong with having events with one game, I also don't think running both at an event is necessarily bad as long as the TO(s) have their **** together and understand the overlap, but also that you can't impede on one game for the other just because they may happen to use the same console (at least if you brought a Wii).

There are lots of things that can drastically improve the performance of events that TOs don't do well enough, even at singular events. Then again, it's hard to push blame 100% on the TOs because they are stepping up and putting in time and money into running things to make other people happy. Usually they don't even get to play because of it.

So yeah. I don't think it's fair to say that a national with both or even all three of the games is a bad thing at all, but it needs to be run properly with the understanding that the communities may be related in a lot of ways, but they are not the same and so they must be treated separately.

 

[Melomaniacal]

I've actually only had something stolen at a Brawl tournament.
But **** gets stolen at every tournament, and it sucks. Some people just have no respect.

 

[Atlus8]

EVO is a single annual event that paid $20000 for first place in SSF4:AE

I remember reading an interview about Fuudo and he said that he won $10000 for first place at EVO where as Daigo made $20000 the previous year!

 

[TheCrimsonBlur]

I like how Jaxel never came back to read my wall of text and now its buried under a pile of Brawl v. Melee ****.

Stay classy smashboards. Stay classy.

 

[Spelt]

This thread was partly about brawl vs melee from the very beginning.

This thread is terrible. There's nothing worth replying to that he hasn't already. Not like it would change his or our opinions anyway.

 

[Ussi]

The lack of set ups hurt both brawl and melee.

Apex 2010, i got to play the japanese. This year, I didn't :\ I didn't do much friendlies, I just was chilling with Ike mains most of the time.

 

[theONEjanitor]

i agree with everything Jaxel said. Brawl community is exceptionally scrubby. Due in part to the fact that we play a stupid game with a very low introductory learning curve. (i play both games, and like both equally, so i will not be accused of hating on brawl over melee)
and if he thinks Smash runs efficient tournaments, then FGC must run some super ****ed up tournaments lol

also, the only reason we say friendlies instead of casuals, is because we use the term 'casuals" for something else. (i.e non-competive players. It wouldn't make sense for FGC to use the term this way because all their games are designed to be competitive, so all players are ostensibly competitive players) much like how they say "recovery" when we say stuff like "lag", because we use 'recovery' to mean something else.