Is This What You Call Entertainment And Fair Play?

[DAlegendarysamus]

yup Spam Is Right And Where Have You Been At Lol? Sf4 Has Real Combos And Yea You Can Turtle, But No One Can Run Forever.... You Eventually Will Hit A Corner. Melee Took Alot More Skill Than Brawl. I Like Brawl Cause Of The Characters And The Stages. I'm Not Mad At Anyone. I Just Don't Like How Ya Bash Brawl Plus When It's Not Even At Tip Top Shape And It's Still Alot Better Than Brawl Crawl. It's Not Cause You Can Do Combos Or It's More Flashy..... But It Don't Make Sense When Mk Does A 1000 Mph Tornado And Doesn't Have Bad After Lag. In Every Fighting Game If You Spin Like Yoshmistu Or Dk And Bowser Or Rufus In Sf4 Or Zang Most People Can Duck Under His [spinning] Lariat, You Have Either Lag Or You Are Vunerable In Some Kind Of Way. In Brawl Plus Mk Has Alot More Lag Than In Brawl Crawl Which Makes More Sense. Up B Doesn't Kill Fast Anymore From Him Either.

Ya All Complain About Sakurai Messing Up And Ya Was Quitting... But Now That Ya Are Making Money.... Ya Want To Keep This Version Of This Game Alive Lol. I Bet When Ya Start Losing Money In Months Ya Will Be Like ****.... Bum Was Right.

Not Only **** Bum Was Right But Da Was Right Also Lol Cause Remember Bum We Was Telling U In The Very Beginining About Mk And Cgs Lol

 

[crismas]

It's also about keeping the community alive. I know some people don't care, but I don't think there's any reason this communities competitive spirit should die. Who cares, whether it's Brawl/Brawl+/Melee/64...At Apex, regional crews were free, it also showed that people cared about "who was better than who", I think that's healthy. I think you people get too caught up in the stuff that doesn't matter. It's good to argue or debate, but bashing doesn't solve anything (cliche but true). I feel like there's certain points that should be addressed, but in the end if you're gonna keep comparing this game to all the other traditional fighters than you're just better playing what you love more. And there's no reason why certain people shouldn't keep alive, what they want to keep alive, same for the Melee as well, you know?

 

[DAlegendarysamus]

True But........

It's also about keeping the community alive. I know some people don't care, but I don't think there's any reason this communities competitive spirit should die. Who cares, whether it's Brawl/Brawl+/Melee/64...At Apex, regional crews were free, it also showed that people cared about "who was better than who", I think that's healthy. I think you people get too caught up in the stuff that doesn't matter. It's good to argue or debate, but bashing doesn't solve anything (cliche but true). I feel like there's certain points that should be addressed, but in the end if you're gonna keep comparing this game to all the other traditional fighters than you're just better playing what you love more. And there's no reason why certain people shouldn't keep alive, what they want to keep alive, same for the Melee as well, you know?

TRUE BUT the community will die with those rules that are in

 

[R3N0]

hahahahah plank vs wes is TOO FUNNY LOL GOLDEN **** SHOE LOLOLOLOL
btw sf4 is > brawl any day forever.. its coming close to being > melee lol
its easier on the hands too :-p.

its tough having to practice sf4 from scratch though :'(

 

[BUM163]

i agree with you crimas. i'm not trying to bash brawl cause i honestly like the game...... but at the end of the day, it's broken. their needs to be changed or something. not to talk about our match in sf4, but when i played reno.... he did not beat me once and he had sagat. in brawl and we all know it's true, pros from noobs is not that far away which sucks. someone can beat you most of the time and i seen that tripping was on in these tournament matches..... like serious how can you say this game is competitve lol.

you can be winning and lose cause you trip into a DDD FOWARD SMASH, DK PUNCH, LUIGI UP B, WARIO FART OR ANYTHING O.D STRONG. i want to stay in this community, but if things further like this i will leave it completely and not ever come back. at least take out tripping lol in tournaments.

 

[Rykoshet]

Well said wes. ryko**** cause now thats what i'm going to call you... yo i heard about you yesterday. you went to wes house got own and left 20 mins after you got there complaining how bad brawl is.

I basically went even with wes's diddy playing for about an hour and a half (about 25 minutes after d1 got there, nevermind the fact that I did better with a FAR worse character), said I was annoyed with the game right now, and yes, went home because I was on the phone with rookie. But news flash, I'm usually discontent with something when it comes to the game. Next time instead of trying to throw ad-hominem at an argument because someone can articulate their point FAR FAR better than you can you can do yourself a favor and just not say anything.

If you couldn't actually read half of that: "ur rong"

Now right now you sound like an hippercrite because yesterday we was playing and u said it your self you dont enjoy Brawl(REGULAR BRAWL) winning or losing.

First, the word is hypocrite. Yes, I'm annoyed with the game regardless of result but if you remember even HALF of the conversation I had with d1 you'd also realize that I stated I didn't have a problem with the game's engine, just that I wasn't big on playing right now because my attitude was letting every little thing annoy me. How are you gonna sit there and act like I was angry at the gayness of characters when I went ike for the first dozen or so matches and won most of them? My snake had a harder time with diddy than my ike did, which is why I ended up breaking basically even by the end of the matches.

RYKO**** COMPLAINING ABOUT BRAWL PLUS AND IT'S MINDLESS AGGRESSION LOL. SO I GUESS IN BOXING THERE IS MINDLESS AGGRESSION AND IN FOOTBALL IT IS MINDLESS AGGRESSION WHEN YOU ARE TRYING TO RUN WITH THE FOOTBALL TO SCORE A TOUCHDOWN....... this is how half the community is.... they bash brawl crawl and then when they see pros like oh this is why this game is great, they want to bend down and start the sucking.

My point was that yes's loss was due to his mindless aggression and acting before thinking costing him his last stock in 2 matches (which could have been circumvented had he just chosen a different flat stage) and that if I WERE as narrow-sighted as you I'd base the whole game on that. BUT I didn't so surprise, it was rhetoric. I was saying such a line of thinking was logically unsound and as a result one would be better off not doing it.

My point was that you threw in an essay and a half of unreadable crap to **** talk something you didn't even go to, get over yourself.

 

[DAlegendarysamus]

i Agree With You Crimas. I'm Not Trying To Bash Brawl Cause I Honestly Like The Game...... But At The End Of The Day, It's Broken. Their Needs To Be Changed Or Something. Not To Talk About Our Match In Sf4, But When I Played Reno.... He Did Not Beat Me Once And He Had Sagat. In Brawl And We All Know It's True, Pros From Noobs Is Not That Far Away Which Sucks. Someone Can Beat You Most Of The Time And I Seen That Tripping Was On In These Tournament Matches..... Like Serious How Can You Say This Game Is Competitve Lol.

You Can Be Winning And Lose Cause You Trip Into A Ddd Foward Smash, Dk Punch, Luigi Up B, Wario Fart Or Anything O.d Strong. I Want To Stay In This Community, But If Things Further Like This I Will Leave It Completely And Not Ever Come Back. At Least Take Out Tripping Lol In Tournaments.

No Take Out Cgs And Infinities!!

 

[BUM163]

you right i didn't go to it, i went to a gurl house and she live in jersey [perth amboy]..... while you gave your money to people and you probably try to use cheap characters. get over myself? while you struggle in this game to be somebody.... i can comeback and whip your a55 and half the people that play this game..... oh wait i remember you , you was like bum, don't get mad that i'm going to counter pick you with ddd..... and you got your **** rocked fool...badly, so bad i had your soul in my pocket lol.

I don't even know why i waste my typing on you ryko****. keep struggling playboy. i'll be going to wes tomorrow to train in sf4 and brawl. come over so i can make you leave in 2 mins lolllllllll.

 

[Rykoshet]

While you gave your money to people and you probably try to use cheap characters.

Again, wrong. If you're going to go into an argument assuming stuff you're right, you're wasting your time typing.

I'm not questioning your ability to play the game, at no point did I do any such thing. I frankly don't care if someone can beat me because it doesn't change whether or not they have ****ty points. I have yet to beat Inui and I call him out on his bad arguments all the time, your ability to press buttons in one game doesn't mean you're good at pressing keys to make your point, **** doesn't work that way. If I did show up tomorrow and you beat me it wouldn't make your point any less dumb. Don't miss an event then write a bible and a half as to why you did. You missed it for your own reasons, if anyone cared they'd ask you personally instead of your huge *** soapbox rants that barely make sense.

 

[DAlegendarysamus]

Hold The Phone

I basically went even with wes's diddy playing for about an hour and a half (about 25 minutes after d1 got there, nevermind the fact that I did better with a FAR worse character), said I was annoyed with the game right now, and yes, went home because I was on the phone with rookie. But news flash, I'm usually discontent with something when it comes to the game. Next time instead of trying to throw ad-hominem at an argument because someone can articulate their point FAR FAR better than you can you can do yourself a favor and just not say anything.

If you couldn't actually read half of that: "ur rong"



First, the word is hypocrite. Yes, I'm annoyed with the game regardless of result but if you remember even HALF of the conversation I had with d1 you'd also realize that I stated I didn't have a problem with the game's engine, just that I wasn't big on playing right now because my attitude was letting every little thing annoy me. How are you gonna sit there and act like I was angry at the gayness of characters when I went ike for the first dozen or so matches and won most of them? My snake had a harder time with diddy than my ike did, which is why I ended up breaking basically even by the end of the matches.



My point was that yes's loss was due to his mindless aggression and acting before thinking costing him his last stock in 2 matches (which could have been circumvented had he just chosen a different flat stage) and that if I WERE as narrow-sighted as you I'd base the whole game on that. BUT I didn't so surprise, it was rhetoric. I was saying such a line of thinking was logically unsound and as a result one would be better off not doing it.

My point was that you threw in an essay and a half of unreadable crap to **** talk something you didn't even go to, get over yourself.

well if this is towards me dude i told bum dont really post it up about the session we had last night but you only got mad when i was winning and we didnt go even not tryign to talk trash. I won most of the matches and i love it when people try to correct my grammar when most of the time when i post im doing other things not caring how i spell things. If my posts were so unreadable then why are u and many able to respond based on the post that i made lol. SORRY TO ALL I DONT TAKE THE TIME OUT TO TYPE NOT UNLESS IM WRITING AN ESSSAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!! AND DUDE I WILL ALWAYS BE PROUD OF MYSELF I WILL NEVER GET OVER MYSELF IF PEOPLE THINK THAT I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD LOVE THEIRSELF.

 

[Rykoshet]

Only the middle part was addressed to you wes, the rest was to bum. We did essentially go even, it wasn't even 6:4 your wins to mine, hell I had won the last 2 games before the one when d1 finally said "okay so this begins the set", you won the next 2 and that was it. Next time just keep count if you're really that hard up to discuss what was at most a 2 game difference if even that because it's not a point to try to trash talk either because I called myself on my less than exceptional moments.

you can tell who I'm responding to by just checking what text I quote before the response, if you didn't say the first or the third line, then it's rather obvious I wasn't responding to you.

 

[BUM163]

i can miss an event as many times as i want. i been in the smash scene and enter alot more tournaments than you. I have way more experience and plus that is why there is videos. I'm judging based on videos RYKO****. I don't have to be there to watch videos. Don't be stupid. I make a great point and if you doing bad in the game.... thats cause you still didn't grasp on how to play the game.... so how can you talk on a situation that you can't even grasp lol.

The game is ******** and i know wes bust your a55, cause when i played you..... you got 3 stocked ddd vs dk in the first match and then picked ike in great sea. This is not to diss you, but just to tell you that you have alot to learn in brawl. How can you talk about a game and not even understand your flaws and what is going on?

 

[Rykoshet]

Do you really only read half of a sentence that you respond to? You missing the tournament wasn't the problem but rather your acting like you missed the tournament BECAUSE of a single match where something ****ty happened to someone that wasn't even you. You based an ENTIRE tournament not off of videos but ONE video of a single match when, as stated, a LARGE number of amazing matches went on. It's a single instance where one character got ****** out for playing poorly, **** happens. Again, it's silly to do, but I'm not about to talk in circles.

If I played you 20 times tomorrow and you 3 stocked me EVERY time your point would still be ****ty, chest beating does not make a point valid. Note that I didn't bring up game mechanics, just your inability to make logical segues.

 

[BUM163]

NO you are not understanding. Brawl is played like that majority of the times. they did have live feeds up and there was tents in almost every live stream. EVEN so what i am saying is that it's a bad game. This is not even an opinion... then of course you be like but it is.... and then i will say all the bad things in the game that doesn't make sense such as samus turning into zss and her power goes up dramatically or getting hit by a dk punch at 100 percent and then gnw does bucket cancel to completely stop himself in the air or how metaknight on every air move is extremely fast and hard to punish or how luigi up b kills dk at 50-60 percent. The game is ********. i only said like 5 percent of the bad stuff in brawl. just say i'm wrong so i can bring up another 5 percent which would be another 20 negative things about brawl.

 

[TheTantalus]

Lol this topic

I think that you should play the game as its made, and if you don't like it pick something else.

Comparing SF4 to Brawl is dumb, because they are both campy as hell. SF3 and Melee are way better/faster/etc. Ideally whoever attacks first is going to lose in SF4 and Brawl. But in melee, there are ways to attack (same in SF3) without punishing yourself if you are smart.

I loved the match, I was actually sitting next to them watching it live. In essence to me it was more of a karma match against DaPuffster because of what happened to Gonzo and Turbo at COT4. That's all it was to me.

 

[BUM163]

Na in sf4 whoever attacks first doesn't mean you going to win lmao..... you must not play sf4 competitvely to say such a dumb statement. Brawl also doesn't really go by that either, but sf has alot more characters that can be used. Someone used E.honda in a tournament recently and got second place. brawl has alot more characters than sf4 and less are used lol. WANT TO BE PROVEN WRONG? GO TO SHROYUKEN.COM AND LOOK AT PLACINGS. CRIMAS SHOWN THE RESULTS AND ONLY THREE CHARACTERS WERE SHOWN AND THOSE CHARACTERS ARE NASTY. OF COURSE IT'S ABOUT THE PERSON BEHIND THE CONTROLLER, BUT IN THIS GAME...... THE CHARACTER DOES ALOT OF THE WORK.

 

[BleachigoZX]

I thought SF4 emphasized being campy and smart, up until you get in. I also though nothing was safe in that game, 'cept Sagat. **** Sagat. It's all poking and camping. Unless you jump in a spam 623-Weak Punches (Weak DP's scrubs who read this and are like "lolwtfizdat")with Ken.

I don't know why I'm posting I don't even own SF4, just 3rd Strike. But I do feel both sides should know that both of these "Fighters" are different kinds of fighters. They really shouldn't be compared. I can go on all day on how hard GG craps on other fighters and stuff but, who gives a ****.

Bum if you hate the game and current community why do you continue to post here? Unfortunately you are not going to "One-Man-Revolution" the community into wanting to play Brawl+, SF4, Guilty Gear, or Arcana Hearts (1).


But then again I'm BleachigoZX, who cares, right?

 

[Rykoshet]

NO you are not understanding. Brawl is played like that majority of the times. they did have live feeds up and there was tents in almost every live stream.

What matches? Ksizzle vs ally wasnt the case, nor was ksizzle vs atomsk. Anti vs anyone didn't have that happen and homie camps with snake like he's a boy scout, m2k vs ally? No, Lain vs Ally? No, Lain vs M2k? No. Razer's matches? No. I honestly don't know what you were watching, or if you were watching at all.

 

[Tec0+9]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BxxfynW8dM

That match was stupid this one is more interesting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNPidpBA5_4&feature=related

 

[Rykoshet]

Also, did you really start complaining about dk getting ****** out? I mained ike for a year, dude. Like I said, you wish you knew half the gay **** an Ike has to deal with.

 

[Turbo Ether]

I have observed and participated in numerous gaming communities. I have yet to find a community where 100% of the players were unanimously content with the game. SFIV has been referenced numerous times in this thread. Is SFIV competitive? Yes. Is SFIV balanced? Debatable. Is SFIV perfect? No. Is the entire SFIV community completely satisfied with the game? Nope, there are Street Fighter die-hards that bicker about SFIV's flaws, just as people have been doing with Brawl for over a year now.

Bottom line; every competitive game has something that someone can gripe about, so when it comes down to it, just play what you like and keep it moving, man.

 

[Tec0+9]

I have observed and participated in numerous gaming communities. I have yet to find a community where 100% of the players were unanimously content with the game. SFIV has been referenced numerous times in this thread. Is SFIV competitive? Yes. Is SFIV balanced? Debatable. Is SFIV perfect? No. Is the entire SFIV community completely satisfied with the game? Nope, there are Street Fighter die-hards that bicker about SFIV's flaws, just as people have been doing with Brawl for over a year now.

Bottom line; every competitive game has something that someone can gripe about, so when it comes down to it, just play what you like and keep it moving, man.

Yeah.... you're gay.

 

[Ryan-K]

Lol at sf4 griping. Yeah ok let's just pretend capcom doesn't have a history of coming out with new versions. All these references on 3s too and people pretend like it's not the third iteration of SF3 lol. Nintendo didn't even change the PAL version of brawl. At least nintendo attempted to fix **** in melee when they came out with pal lol

bum get on AIM

 

[Turbo Ether]

Yeah.... you're gay.

I would be slightly offended if I knew who you were. Maybe. Nah, probably not, but you get the point.

 

[PRiDE]

lmao. Someone called Rykoshet RykoS H I T.. lmao. where do they come up with this. Hilarious.

 

[Tec0+9]

I would be slightly offended if I knew who you were. Maybe. Nah, probably not, but you get the point.

What was that? Johnny got a boner?

 

[Rykoshet]

Probably ripped it from 1998 it's been haunting me forever.

 

[BleachigoZX]

You've probably heard something like that where you teach Am I right?

 

[Deleted member]

sorry jonathan but I think this match was funny as hell. if it were two equally matched opponents I might feel differently but it was very obvious to me that plank was the better player, so it didn't matter to me how he won.

 

[teh_spamerer]

Ksizzle vs ally wasnt the case, nor was ksizzle vs atomsk.

Ksizzle took a lot of damage because he chose to attack vs Atomsk. I don't really remember vs Ally. Not that it really matters because Meta vs Dedede is a terrible matchup for Dedede if Meta doesn't suck at it.

Lain vs M2k?

Did you see M2K run right at Lain? Not really. He sort of attacked the first set when he lost but even then it wasn't that much. The second set was a lot more dair camping and sitting on the moving platform.

If anyone was rewarded for not camping to the point where they won it was because either
A) They were a lot better than their opponent
B) It was a bad matchup for their opponent
C) Their opponent chose not to camp very much
D) The opponent was unfamiliar with the matchup
E) All of the above

If two equally skilled players fight each other in an even matchup, the person who wins will be the one who camped more 9/10 times. This isn't really debatable. I've never lost to anyone because they attacked me and I couldn't handle it except Jason but I had no Meta ditto experience(except vs dm when my strategy was just tornado better than him early in the game's life.) You can like Brawl, you can have fun playing Brawl, but you can't say you can play aggressive and win tournaments from it unless it was for one of those specified reasons.

EDIT:

Also, did you really start complaining about dk getting ****** out? I mained ike for a year, dude. Like I said, you wish you knew half the gay **** an Ike has to deal with.

This is a terrible argument Ryko. It comes down to "Oh, your character didn't get gayed as much as my character so you aren't allowed to complain." With that logic, you're not allowed to complain because you don't main Ganon.

 

[BUM163]

thank you and you know what.... in a recent tournament that wes though, i beat snakee with fox and ness and also won matches with ganon. in other tournaments i went other characters and won. spam said it better than i did. ryko****.... just give it up. you ain't play ike for a year cause it just hit a year 2 months ago and you was using ddd on me way before that lmao. Ya smash people be lieeeeeeing lol. Also sf4 already have properties changed such as zangief lariat and soul calibur 4 had it's properties changed a dozen times.


I am a one man revolution lmao.... na i ain't but i just want people to wake up. I'm honestly not bashing the game. I just feel like it's not evolving and it's been a year. super ryan said a very true statement.

sevenpiecesix: the game hasnt changed AT ALL, like i mean **** man i can watch sf4 matches from december and then sf matches from like april and i dont even play the game but i can see OBVIOUS differences

and that is very true. when i watch brawl.... we been doing the same methods since like summer lol.

 

[Rykoshet]

If anyone was rewarded for not camping to the point where they won it was because either
A) They were a lot better than their opponent
B) It was a bad matchup for their opponent
C) Their opponent chose not to camp very much
D) The opponent was unfamiliar with the matchup
E) All of the above

If two equally skilled players fight each other in an even matchup, the person who wins will be the one who camped more 9/10 times. This isn't really debatable. I've never lost to anyone because they attacked me and I couldn't handle it except Jason but I had no Meta ditto experience(except vs dm when my strategy was just tornado better than him early in the game's life.) You can like Brawl, you can have fun playing Brawl, but you can't say you can play aggressive and win tournaments from it unless it was for one of those specified reasons.

I never stated that being aggressive in brawl was the most effective tactic, just that he was plainly wrong if he saw the same thing in the matches I mentioned, the ones that were streamed, that he saw in plank's match. He said the live stream matches were the same when they were clearly not. That's about as far as it went, I'm not remotely deluded about what's effective and what isn't, I know camping wins.

This is a terrible argument Ryko. It comes down to "Oh, your character didn't get gayed as much as my character so you aren't allowed to complain." With that logic, you're not allowed to complain because you don't main Ganon.

If I'm going to complain about brawl's gayness, I'm not going to bring up that Gdub can up B me out of aether and gimp me for it, I'm not gonna talk about the 50% I have to take against falco just to win a set, I'm not gonna talk about having one of small handful non-autosnapping recoveries in the game and a worthless horizontal one. That's poor single character anecdotal evidence.

 

[Rykoshet]

you ain't play ike for a year cause it just hit a year 2 months ago

Imported, the game came out 2 januaries ago (I'll give it february since it was the last day), that gametable tournament was january tenth. 3 weeks short of a year, you wanna go with semantics? My dedede was obviously new back then too and since then I've played him marginally at best. Step your memory up.

 

[BUM163]

lol you wasn't playing ike a year. stop playing the low tier card. the first virdian city tournament you played ddd also and got rocked. anyway i'm done talking to you. i mained dk in melee and brawl and beat countless pros. dire did better than you with ike in tournament and he barely touch him. stick to the characters that help you take your opponents down to at least one stock.... and you still lose.

 

[Rykoshet]

the first virdian city tournament you played ddd also and got rocked.

I've never BEEN to a viridian city tournament and the first one was literally exactly a year after brawl came out by import, yet again. I get that you're out of ammo son but stop making stuff up.

 

[BUM163]

i'm not good with tournament names or wack people but i know you the fat guy with the short fro..... and i don't need to make anything up. you garbage plain and simple. i haven't touch the game in awhile and you would still get destroyed..... ryko**** lmao. anyway i'm done. You not even worth the typing on this thread to be honest and probably arguing to get noticed...... byeeeee. oh yea also the firsttttt people to have it was me, wes, nl and a few others since day one in japanese. now i'm done lol. Anyway you know where to find me tomorrow. enough talk.

 

[Rykoshet]

A fat guy with a short fro? So I'm EEvisu? Boss? GDX? Your memory sucks, I skipped viridian because it was my best friend's birthday, I didn't go to viridian.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=219187&highlight=viridian

My name ain't there, you're making **** up.

Calendars that hard to use, son?

 

[BUM163]

i don't know the name of the tournament. You don't read either i guess. I just said a name but enough. Go to wes house tomorrow. You not proving anything cause you did not play ike for a year. Stop the acting and yea my memory is bad for nobodies lol. You have my aol name. What is your purpose on repeating the same things over and over? No one really cares for what you have to bring to the table. If so make your own thread.

 

[Rykoshet]

Which would get locked. What's the point in making a topic to **** talk when I'm just responding to stuff. If you've finally finished sticking your foot in your mouth then there's nothing to respond to. What's the point in making a thread if you don't expect someone to disagree with you? If you just want people to pat you on the *** and say good job join a ****ing football team. I don't mind being a nobody, I don't even mind you not remembering me for being a nobody, but don't make 2 ****ing posts swearing up and down that you know exactly who the **** I am, cuz you don't.

 

[BUM163]

you got my aol name. you can talk to me there. plain and simple. i'm not a ****, but you truly think you have good points in which you don't. anyway im on aol. thats it.