Into The New World :: Generation V Competitive Metagame Discussion

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Rain is as good as ever. This is the same team I used when the 5th gen simulator was first released, and it still rocks.

 

[xLeafybug =D]

I've been looking up some stuff on Gen V Dream World without actually playing it. this is the first thing that I thought of.

Feraligatr @ Life Orb
Jolly(Adamant?) / Encourage
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Dragon Dance/Claw Sharpen
Waterfall
Crunch
Rock Slide/Aqua Jet/Filler

Dear ****ING God. I know it's DW, but OMFG.

EDIT: For those of you who don't know, Encourage/Brute Force removes Life Orb recoil, as well as multiplies the damage of all attacks with a secondary effect (With a success rate of <100%) by 1.3x. That means that a +1 Adamant Feraligatr in the rain will have 662 Attack, as well as a 156 Attack Waterfall (234 Attack factoring STAB). Politoed's BFF right here. Did I mention that it removes LO recoil?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I don't think Aqua Jet gets the Encourage boost, does it? I believe that was a drawback to Encourage Feraligatr.

 

[xLeafybug =D]

I don't think Aqua Jet gets the Encourage boost, does it? I believe that was a drawback to Encourage Feraligatr.

I'm pretty sure of that too, I wasn't really thinking too much of it. The focus on that set is an amazing Waterfall. You could probably put Return in there and have near perfect coverage, only being resisted by Empoleon and Dialga I think?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I'm pretty sure of that too, I wasn't really thinking too much of it. The focus on that set is an amazing Waterfall. You could probably put Return in there and have near perfect coverage, only being resisted by Empoleon and Dialga I think?

Don't forget Shedinja. Anyway. I actually thought of something looking at that. Encourage doesn't boost Aqua Jet. On the other hand, Life Orb boosts all moves, but the recoil is negated by Encourage. Does this mean Feraligatr runs around with a +30% Aqua Jet with no recoil? That's definitely something I like to see and use, the more I think about it.

 

[UltiMario]

Nattorei resists Water/Normal BTW.

Something that can actually KO you in return, too.

 

[xLeafybug =D]

Shedinja is 0HKO'd by Crunch.

****, forgot Nattorei, still thinking Gen IV. But you could lose the encourage boost from Crunch, and replace it with Brick Break, which hits Empoleon, Dialga, and Nattorei for SE damage. But you're walled by Shedinja LOLOLOL

What's the coverage like on Waterfall/Rock Slide/Brick Break?

Tery, Aqua Jet is illegal with Dragon Dance, but you can use a SD variant of this and do serious damage really easy.

 

[UltiMario]

Well, on the other hand...

Stealth Rock. Nutters is pretty **** good on rain teams, so it'd be easy to get it up with him.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Shedinja is 0HKO'd by Crunch.

****, forgot Nattorei, still thinking Gen IV. But you could lose the encourage boost from Crunch, and replace it with Brick Break, which hits Empoleon, Dialga, and Nattorei for SE damage. But you're walled by Shedinja LOLOLOL

What's the coverage like on Waterfall/Rock Slide/Brick Break?

Tery, Aqua Jet is illegal with Dragon Dance, but you can use a SD variant of this and do serious damage really easy.

I was thinking along the lines of.

Feraligatr @ Life Orb
Torrent / Adamant
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
~ Swords Dance
~ Aqua Jet / Waterfall
~ Ice Punch
~ Rock Slide / Superpower

But I'll keep toying with settings to see how things go.

 

[xLeafybug =D]

Anybody know how Victini learns V-Generate? Victini is gonna be insane the moment that move is released.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Zapdos @ Leftovers
Pressure / Bold
248 HP / 240 Def / 20 Sp. Atk.
~ Thunderbolt
~ Roost
~ Toxic / Heat Wave / Thunder Wave
~ Toxic / Heat Wave / Thunder Wave

Zuruzukin @ Leftovers
Intimidate / Impish
252 HP / 32 Def / 228 Sp. Def.
~ Toxic / Bulk Up
~ Rest
~ Drain Punch
~ Payback / Crunch

This pair. Seriously. First off, they've both got great defenses on either spectrum, but this tunes Zapdos to the physical side while Zuruzukin is to the special side. Zapdos and Zuruzukin share perfect synergy. Zuruzukin takes the Ice- and Rock-type attacks thrown at Zapdos whilst Zapdos laughs at Flying-, Fighting-, and Bug-type damage. Both Pokemon have reliable recover - Zapdos in Roost and Zuruzukin in Rest. Shed Skin could be used in place of Intimidate to get better odds during recovery but Intimidate helps soften physical blows on the switch-in. Zapdos provides the status support, crippling targets with Toxic or Thunder Wave, while Zuruzukin can either whittle away at the opponent's HP with his STAB or start setting up with Bulk Up. These two really work smoothly and are great and help out the team in terms of defense while providing awesome team support.

 

[kirbyraeg]

Does anybody like using Aaekosu?

I noticed it gets stab Head Smash off of 140 atk, with 110 speed. D:

Even with its ability that's quite a lot of power, might be difficult for most things to deal with.

 

[Kofu]

My guess is that the best moveset would be something along the lines of Acrobat, Head Smash, Earthquake, and U-Turn with Sitrus Berry would be fairly effective.

 

[Wave⁂]

Zangoose @ Toxic Orb
Adamant / Poison Rampage
252 Atk / 252 Speed / 4 HP
Swords Dance
Facade
Shadow Claw
Close Combat

Shaderaa @ Life Orb
Timid / Shadow Tag
252 SpAtk / 252 Speed / 4 HP
Calm Mind
Substitute
Shadow Ball
Fire Blast / Flamethrower


Zangoose can kind of be replaced by lots of things, but the idea is to lure a Ditto to lock itself into a Normal- or Fighting-type move.

 

[Hobobloke]

Rain is as good as ever. This is the same team I used when the 5th gen simulator was first released, and it still rocks.

Tell me about it, I'm sitting about ten spots behind you and my rain team really isn't even that good.

 

[UltiMario]

Anybody know how Victini learns V-Generate? Victini is gonna be insane the moment that move is released.

It doesn't.

No, it just doesn't. It's like Icicle Spear in R/S. It just doesn't exist yet.

 

[Wave⁂]

It doesn't.

Actually, Victini does learn V-Generate.

 

[kirbyraeg]

Choice Band Victini?

 

[Zook]

I don't understand why everyone is using Scarfed Dittos when you could just give him Quick Powder and not be locked into a move.

Unless Ditto is no longer considered Ditto after he transforms or something.

 

[kirbyraeg]

That's the only reason nobody uses Quick/Metal Powder ditto, it only affects him while he's not transformed.

 

[Circa]

So Delibird's Dream World ability is Insomnia.

It already has Vital Spirit.

What the ****.

 

[kirbyraeg]

Maybe they figured somebody with delibird didn't want to run into more wild pokemon while staying awake handing out presents to people.

 

[Kofu]

So Delibird's Dream World ability is Insomnia.

It already has Vital Spirit.

What the ****.

Though I realized that I mixed up the abilities.

 

[Gates]

Yo dawg, we heard you like old memes so all your base are belong to us.

 

[kirbyraeg]

Why couldn't it get Pure Power.

 

[ss118]

Because it has the superior Hustle

 

[PowerBomb]

I've been running an SD Birijion, and it hits pretty hard despite its base 90 Attack. One SD and you hit everything hard Stone Edge, Leaf Blade, or Close Combat. Resisting Tyranitar's STAB moves, especially Crunch, makes it that much more useful.

 

[Circa]

Because it has the superior Hustle

In all honesty I've always wanted to use a Hustle set with something, but I swear everything that has it sucks.

I guess Aianto could maybe, possibly use it. Claw Sharpen set chyeahhhh. But it's forced to use either Dig or Thunder Fang to get any hit on Steels, which is just ********.

I've been running an SD Birijion, and it hits pretty hard despite its base 90 Attack. One SD and you hit everything hard Stone Edge, Leaf Blade, or Close Combat. Resisting Tyranitar's STAB moves, especially Crunch, makes it that much more useful.

I've been considering doing this. It seems like it could be really potent, considering its Speed keeps it from being countered by certain things that have always cursed Breloom. Tornelos will still rip you a new one though...

 

[Kofu]

As someone pointed out, Dig honestly isn't that bad on Aianto. Magnezone is pretty much Aianto's worst opponent, and Dig at least forces it out. And, because it's fast, you can usually use Dig before they hit you. Even if they switch out to something that's immune to Dig, it basically just resets the situation.

Skarmory's still a pain, though, even with Thunder Fang.

 

[kirbyraeg]

I got all excited when I found out Dragonite got Aqua Jet only to find out that it isn't compatible with Extremespeed because they both come from breeding...

 

[Kofu]

Aqua Jet's a level-up move for Dragonite lol
Nevermind, I thought it was.

 

[Wave⁂]

I guess it might be Egg and level-up? Man, unresisted priority, that's pretty scary. Throw on Outrage for Pringles and Fire Blast for Nattorei, 252 HP / 252 Atk, could be useful.

 

[Gates]

Dragonite actually becoming a good dragon?

Gen V is mad wack yo. Fo real.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Dragonite actually becoming a good dragon?

Gen V is mad wack yo. Fo real.

Well now Dragonite lost any chance since Extremespeed and Aqua Jet aren't compatible.

 

[Wave⁂]

Kofu is a dirty liar.

 

[Kofu]

It was me confusing something with Encourage Feraligatr getting both Aqua Jet and Ice Punch from Dragonite, though I don't think that's even possible.

 

[kirbyraeg]

OK, so in the vein of new pokemon getting scary abilities...

Adaptability Crawdaunt. It has Dragon Dance now too, and decent coverage with X-scissor, Superpower, Rock Slide, Brick Break, etc. in addition to Waterfall/Crabhammer and Crunch.

edit: Regeneration Ho-oh? Oh lawd

 

[Gates]

Adaptable Crawdaunt is actually pretty **** good. Payback is one of his best moves since because he's so slow it will almost always do 200 damage after STAB is factored in. The Crabhammer buff helps him a lot too, as does his rather diverse movepool.

Regeneration Ho-Oh is nothing to worry about. You see in Uber's there's this one pokemon with base 150 special attack and a water stab that can pretty much destroy Ho-Oh with or without Stealth Rock. It also outspeeds Ho-Oh that aren't running max speed with a + nature and has an ability that decreases the power of fire attacks, so the only attack Ho-Oh can hit it with is Brave Bird, in which case Ho-Oh himself will either die or get hurt severely by recoil after attacking. This pokemon is also used on half of all teams in Ubers.

I'm talking about Wobbuffet if you haven't figured it out yet.

 

[Kofu]

I'm not sure if you're joking about Wobbuffet, but it would pose a problem for Regeneration.

Kyogre ties Ho-oh in Speed, anyway.

 

[Gates]

They both have the same speed stat, but a lot of Ho-Oh forgo running speed in favor of HP and attack (which is stupid but running Ho-Oh is stupid anyway). Kyogres, however, are almost always Timid and are either Scarfed or Specs'd.

| Kyogre     | Item         | Choice Scarf     |    32.8 |
| Kyogre     | Nature       | Timid            |    43.4 |
| Kyogre     | Speed EV     | Max              |    54.4 |

| Ho-oh      | Item         | Other (4)        | <   9.2 |
| Ho-oh      | Nature       | Adamant          |    79.9 |
| Ho-oh      | Nature       | Jolly            |    11.2 |
| Ho-oh      | Speed EV     | Very Low (<50)   |    57.8 |
| Ho-oh      | Speed EV     | Max              |    25.7 |
| Ho-oh      | Speed EV     | None             |    10.6 |

And I was joking about Wobbuffet having Drizzle and base 150 SpA with water STAB obviously, but Wobbuffet can still be a good switch-in to Ho-Oh. If he catches them on something like Roost or Substitute, he can Encore, put up a Safeguard, and switch out to just about anything. If he catches them on an attacking move, he can Encore and switch to Dialga or Kyogre. Wobbuffet is good against pretty much everything in Ubers except Darkrai and physical Giratina/-O.