Inactivity: Jigglypuff's Anime Club

[Grim Tuesday]

The last few posts on this page made me feel things.

 

[Mr. game and watch]

What kind of things?

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Things .

 

[Mr. game and watch]

http://memegenerator.net/instance/27554952

 

[SoulPech]

better be a good kind of things

 

[Jigglymaster]

Hey there, you Butterfree up your schedule cause ima Bedrilling you tonight. Zapdos clothes off and I promise to Squirtle all over you. So what do you say? Will you Rhydon it? ;3

Ayo girl.

Let me squirtle on them jigglypuffs.

I machamp in the bedroom gurlllllll

lemme whip out my my arbok real quickkkkk

I was trying to keep this pg 13, but nooooooooooooooo TEC ruined it. Now I gotta step up my game:

Aye girl, Wanna Rhydon my Weedle?

Aye girl, I start my lovins like I start my Pokemon battles:
Sleep Powder, Pound, String Shot.

Aye girl, I'd like to Slowpoke your Cloyster.

Aye girl, I can make your jigglypuffs Sing.


Okay done for now (beer)(flex)(glasses)

It's not really stepping up your game if you guys are just copying from existing memes =P

I still think the best one is "I pray to I'm a Muslim" lol

After reading all of this, I just simply have to show alll of you this.
http://comments.deviantart.com/4/5668954/2537212202

 

[Mr. game and watch]

I got 7th/13 in a tourney today. Coulda done better but Oli is broken

I only used Puff 25% of my matches tho :/

 

[Kanbem]

Hey, I'm a Jigglypuff main, and I just came across the 'How to Play Jigglypuff' video on YouTube. It was good, but the main problem I have is with the emphasis on such ATs like Jiggs' Jab Lock and DACUS when in reality these ATs are almost completely worthless in competitive play. Honestly, the only ATs that a Jiggs main should use are Drill Rest/Grab, Rising/Falling Pound (if even considered AT), and proper execution of WoP in Brawl (it exists).

 

[Grim Tuesday]

That video was made near the start of Brawl's lifespan when everyone thought that ATs were the bees knees, I wouldn't pay it much heed

 

[dettadeus]

just because you don't use them doesn't make them worthless

jab lock is quite a bit of free percent with a guaranteed followup (generally less percent if the person knows how to SDI it though, also depends on where on the stage you start it). although you might only get a chance to use it once every 50 matches, it makes that one match that much easier.

dacus isn't that great but nobody ever sees it coming

as for wall of pain... you can usually airdodge through it so it requires better spacing/timing and harder reading to do anything with it, and even then it won't gimp most high/top tiers because they have ridiculous recoveries.

also what grim said, they were probably a lot nicer-looking options in the earlier metagame

 

[Grim Tuesday]

well jab lock is pretty worthless unless you play against bad people

I've never found DACUS useful, but I'm a very conservative player when it comes to risk/reward, so...

When I make my video guide I'm going to dedicate a section to her strings; not listing different moves for different DI/%/weights or anything dumb like that, but just trying to give new Puff players an idea of how that aspect of her gameplay works - she can't "WoP", but yeah

 

[dettadeus]

uair > rest better be the first string you list in that guide

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Hahaha

Nah it'll be more like "Uair will hit them somewhere in this range, if they go here you can cover their options with x", etc...

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

I didn't read the majority of this.

But honestly, jab locks win me matches.

and DACUS's are useful as ****.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

How do you reliably get jab locks? Genuinely curious.

 

[Mr. game and watch]

I didn't read the majority of this.

But honestly, jab locks win me matches.

and DACUS's are useful as ****.

I agree with mink.
I can't consistently get jab locks, but I really want to start. It's so useful~

And I use DACUS a lot.

 

[SoulPech]

Jab Locks are pretty useful. Like, if you have rising platforms and you force a hit and they fall off, there's a tiny change they fall on the ground or don't tech it. I actually did that on Near, as well as a couple players. Granted, you shouldn't always rely on it, but it can help.

 

[dettadeus]

FH Nair can knock people off the BF platforms into a jab-lock situation (and only a few characters are able to tech it or act before hitting the ground), similarly to how Icies can do it with SH Nair. I think they need to be a lot closer to the edge though.

 

[Kanbem]

WoP does exist in Brawl. The difference is in Melee you would juggle them to an eventual kill, but in Brawl you must solely rely on pressuring them off the ledge.

Also, another gripe I had was about the coverage of staling fair. Any Jiggs knows that staling your most reliable kill move can lose you the match, but he should have went into more detail about when you should stop using fair. I use fair up until my opponent reaches 50%, and don't start again until around 110%. Oh yeah, and some emphasis should have been put on how important it is to space with Jiggly and Pound's usefulness. I understand this was early in the metagame, but in the new one we should include these things. Also, the video said Jiggly should be higher on the tier list. Jiggly is horrible. The only reason I use her is because I'm a character loyalist, and she's fun.

Also, make sure that ALL of Jiggly's kill moves are listed. Fsmash, ultit, ftilt, bair, nair, etc. If Rollout is listed, so should they.

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

Jab locks are easy to link out of Fair/bair and nair.
Plus, if you know them off a platform, use a stale nair to start the lock.

Like i did on M@v

 

[Mr. game and watch]

As in

Fair the shield on plat > falling nair opponent when they land >jabjabjabjabjab?

 

[dettadeus]

weak nair would reset, but it'd probably be safer and easier to just FF, land and do jab after whatever knocked them off the platform so you don't have to worry about extra landing lag from a missed autocancel

 

[Desu~]

Also, make sure that ALL of Jiggly's kill moves are listed. Fsmash, ultit, ftilt, bair, nair, etc.

What? ftilt does not kill.

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

Ftilt doesn't kill.

And actually Sour spot nair reset is really simple lol.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Jab locks are easy to link out of Fair/bair and nair.
Plus, if you know them off a platform, use a stale nair to start the lock.

Like i did on M@v

Well sure if they don't tech... I don't know anyone who wouldn't tech that 99% of the time haha

But the platform stuff is somewhat legit I guess

Also ftilt is a really good move it's like... you know how you can use up tilt/pivot up tilt when it's really close quarter combat and you bait them jumping at you?

Ftilt handles that as well, but with less risk (and less reward) if you read wrong.
Very useful, but yeah, doesn't KO.

 

[dettadeus]

there are some characters who flat-out can't tech being pushed off the BF platform

MK is one example

 

[Grim Tuesday]

If only MK needed to shield on the BF platform haha

god **** that match-up

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

Most characters can't tech it.

And the jab lock is situational out of fair or sweet spot nair, but it still happens, and it gets a free kill.

 

[Jigglymaster]

Somebody wailing on mah HtP videos I see

I would update it but I'm rusty and I don't really care enough tbh

 

[Mr. game and watch]

Yeah like, the videos as old as brawl.
That's almost when people thought "I think puff got slightly buffed in brawl!"

 

[SoulPech]

Wait..
wait.
wait.wait.wait.


She didn't get a buff in Brawl?

 

[Z'zgashi]

Puff definitely did get some small buffs, its just the hitstun loss ***** her.

 

[Mr. game and watch]

Actually, she was buffed pretty nicely.

But, like Z'z said, it's not enough to make her good, because of the change in hitstun and physics of brawl. If brawl puff lived in melee, she'd be better than fox.

 

[dettadeus]

Except rest wouldn't kill spacies at 10-20%...

or anyone for that matter.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Brawl Puff would be awful in Melee, she'd lose to dash-dance camping from every character.

 

[Desu~]

Jiggs was waaaay faster in melee, that's for sure.
Brawl Jiggs would NEVER keep up with melee's speed.

 

[T-block]

yeah wtf are the buffs you're talking about

b-air sound effect got MASSIVELY nerfed, for one

 

[Mr. game and watch]

True.

You can jump after rollout finishes off stage.
Rest is almost always a star KO(unless its like a stage spike rest but that's suicide anyway.)
She has more kill moves.

If she lived in melee(with melee speed/physics, of course) she'd be really good. The problem is that brawl doesn't have combos and stuff so she's bad now

 

[SoulPech]

yeah wtf are the buffs you're talking about

b-air sound effect got MASSIVELY nerfed, for one

I was trolling.

xD

 

[Mr. game and watch]

I wasn't!