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[Staco]

I think jab + bair are overrated, people just cant deal with it.
So Im using it a lot. :D

 

[-LzR-]

I honestly can't see any use for Jab so I don't think such garbage can be overrated.

 

[Player-4]

Lol how can jab and Bair be overrated if they're never used?

 

[Tesh]

Jab is sooooooooo good on Ice. Just do a sliding jab into someone and they get trapped, and u can Dsmash em. Its true.

 

[-LzR-]

Trapped in Jab? Maybe if the hold towards the direction MK is sliding lol.

 

[Kuro~]

fair has like the same horizontal range as bair
bair is actually not longer than fair despite wat u think

Not exactly the same. Bair also has more of complete coverage than fair.

 

[Exdeath]

Bair also has more of complete coverage than fair.

No it doesn't. Bair has holes larger holes before and during. It still has a large hole at the end, too -- I get punished more for using Bair, despite it being safer. For whatever reason, people tend to hesitate more against Fair.

 

[Kuro~]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldJyDJP8mbQ watch this. It has a slightly better vertical range. It has less diagonal cuz fair is 4 circles each hit getting bigger. While bair's last hit is more range than fairs i believe.

 

[Exdeath]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldJyDJP8mbQ watch this. It has a slightly better vertical range. It has less diagonal cuz fair is 4 circles each hit getting bigger. While bair's last hit is more range than fairs i believe.

Look when the hit boxes are present, not for the size of the hit boxes. The difference in range is mostly irrelevant toward my point.

 

[Kuro~]

Naw i don't need to watch again. I see what your getting at with the word holes now. Ya that's true.

 

[Kaffei]

Not exactly the same. Bair also has more of complete coverage than fair.

r u dum

go to my MK hitbox thread and copy paste fair and bair and put them on top of each other
from left to right or right to left they are like the exactly same. i am not talking about holes wtf

 

[Kuro~]

Don't be a ****ing *** man. Geez.

 

[Kaffei]

sry but when ppl dont read what i said for the 1st time i get annoyed lol

 

[Kuro~]

Bleck it's fine. I was going off eyesight anyways and to me it seemed slightly "longer" horizontally. But you obviously did it the best way and know what your saying

 

[Exdeath]

Bleck it's fine. I was going off eyesight anyways and to me it seemed slightly "longer" horizontally. But you obviously did it the best way and know what your saying

It's a very common misconception that is recited more than it should be.

 

[Kuro~]

It's a very common misconception that is recited more than it should be.

So i heard your really good at the ditto from jeff. We should play at Gfest. I want to learn the ditto

 

[Exdeath]

B-Reversal Up-B is amazing.

 

[Max Ketchum]

Are you talking about just regular reverse up B, or can MK actually momentum shift with it?

 

[Exdeath]

Are you talking about just regular reverse up B, or can MK actually momentum shift with it?

Momentum shifting it. It's relatively difficult, but I'm pretty sure that the average player can do it just fine.

 

[FireFly]

Any videos of it used in tournaments?

 

[Cook]

So there's this thing you can do where you're running forward, then you turn around and slide backwards while charging f-smash (backwards meaning the direction you were running from). Is this something you peeps know about already? Because it seems like a useful mindgame for when the bad guy is wanting to land and he thinks he'll just land behind you because you're running forward, but I've never seen anyone else do it before. I would show you a video, but I'm a dumb and idk how to do that.

 

[Seagull Joe]

So there's this thing you can do where you're running forward, then you turn around and slide backwards while charging f-smash (backwards meaning the direction you were running from). Is this something you peeps know about already? Because it seems like a useful mindgame for when the bad guy is wanting to land and he thinks he'll just land behind you because you're running forward, but I've never seen anyone else do it before. I would show you a video, but I'm a dumb and idk how to do that.

It's pivot smashing. Been done since 08. I call it The Sanoscy since he was the first I saw use it a lot.

 

[Cook]

NO. It's brand new and it's called Cooking and everyone is gonna do it and it'll make MK the best character!

 

[TSM ZeRo]

Momentum shifting it. It's relatively difficult, but I'm pretty sure that the average player can do it just fine.

Any videos of it used in tournaments?

Yes, I would love to see some videos of Momentum Shifting with Shuttle Loop. Does Meta Knight gain any significant momentum or "boost" from it?

NO. It's brand new and it's called Cooking and everyone is gonna do it and it'll make MK the best character!

But he's already the best character in Brawl .

 

[Eaon]

Grab > D-Throw > Nair.
B > B > B > B > B > B, infinite B.
Dash Attack > 3 U-Airs > Nair > Shuttle Loop(Up-B)

 

[Kaffei]

Everyone knows those

 

[TKD]

airjump dair > fastfall airdodge crossup > turn around grab
tribute to '10 m2k...or was it '09? '08? LOL. still works

 

[Joaco]

airjump dair > fastfall airdodge crossup > turn around grab
tribute to '10 m2k...or was it '09? '08? LOL. still works

Nice, I'll give it a try

 

[Orion*]

airjump dair > fastfall airdodge crossup > turn around grab
tribute to '10 m2k...or was it '09? '08? LOL. still works

full hop or sh?
I assume you mean FH dair but...

SH works to, especially if you mixup with nair after behind their block but MKs horizontal air mobility just makes it lack utility, and I find there aren't a lot of situations to do it in.

 

[ぱみゅ]

full hop or sh?
I assume you mean FH dair but...

SH works to, especially if you mixup with nair after behind their block but MKs horizontal air mobility just makes it lack utility, and I find there aren't a lot of situations to do it in.

I think he meant Airjump, so you have to be already in the air (is it slightly shorter than SH?).

 

[Orion*]

My fault misread. Just daircamping lololol

 

[ぱみゅ]

I don't know if this has already been mentioned, or even if this is the most correct thing to do. I'll post it anyway. At the very least, this board may get revived.
This is how I've been playing recently (at least, until my region banned MK), it started becoming pretty effective by that time, but as our MK metagame stopped, I couldn't tell if it was because we lacked of experience or it was something worth look into.

-For certain matchups, those where you rely on gimping the opponent character (like Snake, Marth or Diddy), don't hesitate on punish everything with Dmash and/or GSL. Don't mind if they get stalled, what you want is to built some damage fast, get them offstage, and increase your chances to gimp.

-Some light characters (Jiggs, Pika, Kirby...) can suffer if you build damage with Dsmashes/GSL/GlideAttack, start mixing your attacks at mid-percentages so they get refreshed, and when they get at high damages, be patient to get the finishing move.

Just my two cents...

 

[C.J.]

I wouldn't necessarily add Marth into the first category. Marth's recovery is more difficult to gimp than it appears to be. I usually get killed/see kills from dsmash and nair (esp when MK grabs the ledge and I have to DS onto the stage- so annoying).

 

[Orion*]

I wouldn't necessarily add Marth into the first category. Marth's recovery is more difficult to gimp than it appears to be. I usually get killed/see kills from dsmash and nair (esp when MK grabs the ledge and I have to DS onto the stage- so annoying).

this

and dont stale out SL TO MUCH vs snake
you want that to kill when he's on the cypher....
and overkill would mean that it's not gonna hit him off the cypher at all (cost me a set once, I had a gimp at the blast zone I died at zero he lived at 80%)

honestly just proper followups will get people offstage. I tend to not think about move usage but more option usage if that makes sense
the second you start thinking i have to use xyz moves it makes you obvious

 

[ぱみゅ]

Doe ASL and GSL share stale rate?

 

[Kaffei]

Doe ASL and GSL share stale rate?

Yes
just go test it it's simple to test

 

[Exdeath]

When you're Uair walling Snake and he wavebounces Neutral B to avoid you, space Down-B on reaction and hit the back of his head. It kills at solid percents and at mid % and above it's safe on hit.

 

[Demna]

This thread has been dead for a couple of months now. For the current Metagame, what are the best combo/strings and at what percentage should they be used?

 

[ぱみゅ]

>current metagame
>combos
Current metagame is still very simplistic, just very fast-paced. When pressuring the opponent, if he's close enough so you can attack him, you just do it even if it's not a guaranteed combo, that's how people are expected to build damage.

 

[Pheta Ray]

I personally like using the combo Dtilt>DA>Dtilt>DA, or replace Dtilt with a good Dsmash at low percents. For some reason it just keeps people on the ground if you buffer the DA fast enough.

Another good combo I actually love using is GSL>cancel>Nado>(optional platform drop-thru)>GSL>Glide attack. I've used this on Battlefield and Yoshi's Island, maybe I just play exceptionally bad people because for some reason this attack just doesn't seem like it should work at all.