Ike vs Marth

[Mandalore]

I believe Ike will be in the game, replacing Marth and Roy. Roy was just an ad with little other reason to be included in Melee. Marth has a legitimate reason, being the protagonist of the first Fire Emblem game; however, not many American and European gamers would recognize Marth's game. Ike is fresh out of the box from Fire Emblem's newest installment and will help bolster sale of the upcoming Goddess of Dawn. Of course, he would also be considered an advert; he'll probably be removed once the next Smash and Fire Emblem come along.

 

[Wyvern]

I've yet to play a Fire Emblem game (I really need to get around to trying them one of these days...I typically love tactics-style games), but I'm voting for Ike. I'm pretty sure there's no turning back on my eternal loathing of Marth, even after they nerf the forward smash. And using a similar but internationally popular character just seems like a good idea.

I've got nothing against Marth in terms of aesthetics, though. In fact, I'd say that I like his look better than Ike's...

Ultimately, though, since I don't know a whole lot about specific Fire Emblem characters, the most important thing for me is this: if there are multiple FE characters in Brawl (and I assume there will be), there's no excuse for giving them the same weapon proficiency. Isn't the entire basis of the FE attack system a rock-paper-scissors arrangement between the sword, axe, and spear? I die a little inside every time someone mentions a roster with three swordsmen.

 

[DonkeyPirate]

Yeah, I'll take Ike simply because he doesn't wear a tiara

 

[metroid1117]

Ike for the win. It would be sweet if you can unleash Aether as the Final Smash ....

Anyway, I think that the only people that would go for Marth over Ike are people with an emulator or die-hard Japanese Fire Emblem fans because they are the only people that have actually used Marth as a character in Fire Emblem.

 

[rayecho]

Ike vs. Marth

ike wins only because marth wears a tiara.

 

[SGX]

Tiara owns.

You don't remove top tier characters.

 

[chiyo-chan' dad]

I have't played Fire Emblem, but I say Ike looks cooler, and he's new, but Marth still look good.

 

[Cenedar]

Crap, what is it with you people and tiaras? So Marth looks a little feminine, it's really not a huge deal. I know it's just your personal preferences and I'm down with that. But think about it, do you honestly think Sakurai will be sitting in his studio as his crew is working on the game, and think...

"You know what, I'm going to scrap Marth. That tiara always bugged me." XD Sorry, I'll stop being odd now...

On topic: I know this is probably an oddity on this thread, but I have never played a FE game before. However, looking through this thread and taking a look at both characters, I'll say this.

I'm cool with Marth returning, he and Roy (okay... probably mostly Marth XD) were largely responsible for us in the US of A finding out about FE in the first place. And he did have a nice move set, I know it was fast, but I don't think it was overpowered, not to mention the small sweetspot on his sword, as mentioned before, kept him from being broken.

HOWEVER...

I am intrigued by Ike as well. I'd love it if they were both in, but if I had to choose one, it would have to be Ike if solely because of personal interest and preference in character design. Like I said, I haven't played a FE game before. So that's that.

P.S. Oh yeah, and I'm all for the Black Knight being in Brawl too. Ganondorf should use his sword, but he also needs magic. BK could be a heavy sole-sword character.

Not to mention I'd love to run around with the BK in Brawl yelling, "Come on, you pansy!" and "Tis but a scratch!"

 

[Dotcom]

I VOTED FOR HECTOR
HECTOR FTW!
joking.
I do like Ike over Marth.
Even knowing Marth is the first main charcter, Brawl should help FE step towards the future with Ike.
Main character for Path Of Radiance, and a main character for Godess Of Dawn(?).
So I think Ike would be the better choice.

 

[Shuma]

I believe Ike is also the main Char in Godess of Dawn, and the Bk also appears in that game so yeah.... i hope both of them get in.

 

[RBinator]

As much as I like the Black Knight, I rather avoid talking about what I think about him showing up in Brawl, since there's already quite a bit going on here and not to mention his own topic is lying around somewhere.

I'm not saying Marth and Roy should be cut becuase of their role in brining FE worldwide. If anything, that is the only legitament reason why they should return. What I was trying to say is that this reason alone is not enough to justify a return appearance.

We CAN have both, sure. But given the limited number of slots that will be given to FE characters, I would rather have characters who are popular to BOTH Japanese FE fan and non-Japanese FE fans.

As for Roy, I really don't see him having great chances at remaining at all, since he was basically an advertisement for the next Japanese-only FE game and I'm not sure if Japan liked is game that much compared to the others. Not that I really have any basics for that point.

One FE character is pretty pessimistic. Two at the least is what I anticipate.

Marth is Japanese only where it counts - his series of origin. All characters should be judged first and foremost on thier importance in their franchise, and in my view Marth is longer worthy to represent Fire Emblem. He hasn't starred in a FE game in over a decade and most of the Earth's population have been unable to purchase either of his games without importing.

Marth and Roy are fine characters, and they will no doubt be fondly rememered if and when they are cut - however, there are more than enough characters in the universally popular PoR and it's upcoming sequel that we no longer need the characters.

Again, this is just my opinion. For all I know, Sakurai feels as you do.

And don't worry, I'll not bring up the Ness/Lucas debate here.

One thing to add is that Marth doesn't seem likely to ever show up again in a FE game, at least not around Brawl's release. The difference between him and characters like Pit is that FE games are still coming out and don't have the same retro factor like Pit's games.

I do admit that Ike seems very likely to show up in Brawl in some shape or form, even replacing Marth in the process. As for Sakurai, the only thing I seem to know for sure is he's aiming for more unique characters rather then just the most popular ones, but that still doesn't look like it would stop Ike from showing up. Who knows, Marth may get downgraded to AT status. The same may happen to many FE characters since out of all the series that show up in Melee, they have more character requests then others, but then again, that's going beyond the scope of Marth and Ike here.

Modifying an old moveset for a new character is justifiable if the replacement character is a significantly more worthy addition to the roster, as Ike is. I would aslo argue that having two characters two characters who are as similar as Ike and Marth is unnecessary given that there are far more unique characters from the series that couold be included instead if they wanted to include two characters with unique movesets.

As long as Ike gotten the Luigi treatment and his moves were similar, but different even from Marth's, I would agree with it more.

Well, there is one thing that could be done. Ever heard of the outfit idea brought up by many people? For characters that are very similar in style, shape, and size, they could do that in this case, kinda like how some other fighters (Tekken is the only one I can think of at the moment) do. It would be yet another way to please the fans kinda like ATs, but since their so similar, they could share the spot light. Come to think of it, I seriously hope they do this, but their pretty smart and go out of their way to please the fans (like with ATs), so something like it may happen. Here's hoping.

 

[Dark Sonic]

Just because Ike has a better chance (nearly 100%), doesn't mean that Marth shouldn't be in it. I said Marth was a strong second and I still support him being in Brawl.

 

[Wiseguy]

Crap, what is it with you people and tiaras? So Marth looks a little feminine, it's really not a huge deal. I know it's just your personal preferences and I'm down with that. But think about it, do you honestly think Sakurai will be sitting in his studio as his crew is working on the game, and think...

"You know what, I'm going to scrap Marth. That tiara always bugged me." XD Sorry, I'll stop being odd now...

The people have spoken, Sakurai. Tiaras are a no. I love democracy.

On topic: I know this is probably an oddity on this thread, but I have never played a FE game before. However, looking through this thread and taking a look at both characters, I'll say this.

I'm cool with Marth returning, he and Roy (okay... probably mostly Marth XD) were largely responsible for us in the US of A finding out about FE in the first place. And he did have a nice move set, I know it was fast, but I don't think it was overpowered, not to mention the small sweetspot on his sword, as mentioned before, kept him from being broken.

Well, it's all relative. Compared to Fox and Falco, Marth is the poster boy for balance. Compared to to Mario, Kirby and Donkey Kong? Meh, not so much. Marth isn't as unbalanced as some would lead you to believe, but he could be more balanced.

HOWEVER...

I am intrigued by Ike as well. I'd love it if they were both in, but if I had to choose one, it would have to be Ike if solely because of personal interest and preference in character design. Like I said, I haven't played a FE game before. So that's that.

P.S. Oh yeah, and I'm all for the Black Knight being in Brawl too. Ganondorf should use his sword, but he also needs magic. BK could be a heavy sole-sword character.

Not to mention I'd love to run around with the BK in Brawl yelling, "Come on, you pansy!" and "Tis but a scratch!"

"None shall pass."

Monty Python jokes never get old.

As much as I like the Black Knight, I rather avoid talking about what I think about him showing up in Brawl, since there's already quite a bit going on here and not to mention his own topic is lying around somewhere.

Come on down to KidSmash's Black Knight thread. I've been struggling to keep it alive...

As for Roy, I really don't see him having great chances at remaining at all, since he was basically an advertisement for the next Japanese-only FE game and I'm not sure if Japan liked is game that much compared to the others. Not that I really have any basics for that point.

Agreed. Roy may have TEH PHIRE, but he is out for sure.

One thing to add is that Marth doesn't seem likely to ever show up again in a FE game, at least not around Brawl's release. The difference between him and characters like Pit is that FE games are still coming out and don't have the same retro factor like Pit's games.

Yeah, you're right. Though I would like to see Marth's games on Virtual console. Heck, if his games saw worldwide release via VC, I would have no problem at all with his inclusion (except for him looking like a sissified Ike, but we've been over that...)

I do admit that Ike seems very likely to show up in Brawl in some shape or form, even replacing Marth in the process. As for Sakurai, the only thing I seem to know for sure is he's aiming for more unique characters rather then just the most popular ones, but that still doesn't look like it would stop Ike from showing up. Who knows, Marth may get downgraded to AT status. The same may happen to many FE characters since out of all the series that show up in Melee, they have more character requests then others, but then again, that's going beyond the scope of Marth and Ike here.

Too many possibilities.... ANYTHING could happen, it seems. Hopefully, the E3 trailer will clear some things up.

As long as Ike gotten the Luigi treatment and his moves were similar, but different even from Marth's, I would agree with it more.

Well, there is one thing that could be done. Ever heard of the outfit idea brought up by many people? For characters that are very similar in style, shape, and size, they could do that in this case, kinda like how some other fighters (Tekken is the only one I can think of at the moment) do. It would be yet another way to please the fans kinda like ATs, but since their so similar, they could share the spot light. Come to think of it, I seriously hope they do this, but their pretty smart and go out of their way to please the fans (like with ATs), so something like it may happen. Here's hoping.

Marth as an alternate costume? Meh, I don't know. We're not talking about Ike with a different colour scheme - Marth is a completely different individual. If it comes to that, just go the Dr. Mario route and keeps all his moves pretty much the same and give him his own spot on the roster.

Just because Ike has a better chance (nearly 100%), doesn't mean that Marth shouldn't be in it. I said Marth was a strong second and I still support him being in Brawl.

Yeah, that appears to be the consensus.

I wouldn't be shocked if Marth appeared, I just think people overestimate his chances.

 

[Chickenboy666]

Wii need Bishounen, Wii need Marth back!!!

I go for Marth!!! ^_^

 

[FrozenRoy]

I say Marth, but Ike would be awesome.

Still, Black Knight would be the most awesome of them all. Why?

Because "'TIS BUT A FLESH WOUND!"

 

[ClarkJables]

i have just starting playing FEOR and i am loving it, ike should most definetly be in brawl

 

[capt.falcon4life]

Ike has my vote on this one

 

[OnyxVulpine]

Hehe, I don't know who Ike is and I've only learned of Marth through Melee...

Ike sounds like a cooler name... And since both of them sort of look alike... I don't really have any good reasons to choose one over the other.... Except for the fact I like having new characters in games... So I'm going to have to go with Ike.

 

[goodkid]

Ike, I've seen enough of Marth

 

[Zeela12]

Marth is the first lord, he started the whole Fire emblem series, he's much more important than Ike. plus, Ike is overrated.

 

[Circus]

I'm not a Fire Emblem player.

All I know about Marth and Ike is based off of what's been posted in this thread. And I've come to a sound decision.

I choose Ike because Marth's hair is funny.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

Ike is way too over rated.Marth,actually plays some importance in the franchise.

Even though they're both great characters,one shouldn't be removed just because some people have opinions on his sexual preferances.They should both be in.

Those who are arguing about the Tiara,this is what I have to say:

You're all retarted,period.And i'm very serious.

 

[Shuma]

So now we're ******** for having our Opinion?

So you're saying "You Think Marth Sucks because of his Tiara? STFU" "i think Marth Rocks, that's my opinion so STFU about that too"?

Also Marth has appeared in 2 games, big deal, Ike has also appeared in 2 games.

 

[OnyxVulpine]

Well you have to respect peoples opinions... But some of them and a lot of them ARE in fact stupid.. Mostly because of having... well no knowledge of the topic.

I haven't played Fire Emblem and I don't know what roles they have in the game.

I don't care either way if Marth or Ike is put in I'm neutral. Just as much as most of the other characters being nominated.

 

[alpha n00b]

The fact that Ike is winning is total bullcrap.

 

[gnosis]

In all honesty, I never got Marth or Roy. Nothing about them was attractive, as characters, and I stayed away from both of them until I started playing competitively, when I picked up Marth (along with most everyone else).

Even though I picked up Marth because of his excellent moveset, for me, these arguments about previous movesets being good or bad, i.e, a character's relevance in the tournament scene, carry no weight. Mewtwo shouldn't be axed because he's bottom; thus I don't think Marth should be immune because he's top.

And as for importance to their series... well, when I get right down to it, all I really care about in a newcomer is if they're appealing or not. Who would I rather be fighting as? Who do I think would bring a more enjoyable, unique experience to the game? Which, yes, relates to movesets, but in a different way than from above. In other words, which character I'd prefer, not necessarily which character I'd predict.

That being the case, and the fact that I have always been indifferent towards Marth as a character, my vote goes to Ike.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

i like them both but ike over all
just 1 thing i want it from sakuai if he want to put ike i hope he will put him in his vanguard form
evry 1 will see how ike diffrent in god

 

[dinoneil]

I'd rather see Ike because I just favor him over Marth.

 

[Creo]

Ike anyday cause Marth looks very gay.

PS- I love the first post! It reminds me of Guilty Gear.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

So now we're ******** for having our Opinion?

So you're saying "You Think Marth Sucks because of his Tiara? STFU" "i think Marth Rocks, that's my opinion so STFU about that too"?

Also Marth has appeared in 2 games, big deal, Ike has also appeared in 2 games.

It's not about the games,it's about the character.And I wasn't saying you can't have your opinion,I just can't stand arguments like....

Ike anyday cause Marth looks very gay.

This...

 

[Wiseguy]

Ike is way too over rated.Marth,actually plays some importance in the franchise.

Even though they're both great characters,one shouldn't be removed just because some people have opinions on his sexual preferances.They should both be in.

Those who are arguing about the Tiara,this is what I have to say:

You're all retarted,period.And i'm very serious.

Actually, Ike is just as important to the franchise (if not more) since both star in two Fire Emblem games. The difference being that Ike's games are popular in both Japan and the West (where the majority of FE games are sold) wheras Marth's games are only popular in Japan, since they never saw worldwide release.

That, and Ike is cooler in every possible way.

 

[Pieman0920]

Just to state, I voted Ike, but I'd rather have both in.

Hmm I wonder if Ike was indeed in, I wonder if it would be his younger or older version. If he was his GoD incarnation, he'd look even more different than Marth, so they could both hopefully be in.

 

[DonkeyPirate]

Marth looking gay may not be a legitimate arguement, but Marth wearing a tiara definitely is. Ike FTW

 

[Shuma]

I don't really think MArth would leave Brawl, he is an important character, but i can assure you that Ike will be in the game. And if Ike is in, that opens the door for the Black Knight, in this game or the next, and that's good.

 

[ClarkJables]

i also think ike would be a better swordsman then marth

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

ike rule overall ike my favorite fire emblem lord ever

ok let's see difrences between ike and marth(ifi was wrong in spelling forgive because im not english man ^^)

marth:

1.he is myromidon in lord name

2.he use light swords

3.he don't have spacial move in his game

4.he appeared in 2 game fire emblem 1and fire emblem 3

5.his look is bit girly

6.japan only -.-"(sure he is lonley
ike:

1.have 4 costumes :

1.Ranger costume

2.lord costume

3.Hero costume
link:http://youtube.com/watch?v=V2_H9KZWZeA
vanguard costume:
link 1:http://youtube.com/watch?v=NvfhL1BfByA
link 2:http:http://youtube.com/watch?v=9mtPtNTLdh8
Final smash:http:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DdI10VedxM

2.stared in 2 games Fire emblem: por and Fir emblem: God

3.have a nice fighting style

4.he is the lord who opened the door of 3d fire emblem

5.he use Swords and axes

6.rank SS on swords and A on axes

7.he is to tough and strong

8.have a nice stats in str,speed,skill

9.Worldwide ^^ HAHAHAHAHA!!!(maniac lugh)

10.Aether skill

Aether in Fire emblem: por : http:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4CsnIdq2U8Ike crit

Aether Vs Ashnard:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofufOvDZsaAbest 1in my opinion

Aether in Fire emblem: God :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DdI10VedxM
finally he is the perfect choice for SSBB ^^ ​

 

[Pyroloserkid]

I've never played a Fire Emblem game, but I'd rather have someone new than a returning character who I rarely play as, so I vote IKE.

 

[bloodvayne]

I don't like either, but I hate Marth

so Ike it is.

 

[PSIguy89]

I like Marth better because even though hes in japan-only games hes the ORIGINAL fire emblem lord who has STARRED in 2 games where as Ike isn't the star in GOD. Now i'm not saying he shouldn't be in, by all means he SHOULD be in but replacing Roy and fighting along side Marth

 

[GenG]

I vote Ike, he deserves a chance. Marth should and is going to be, but if I were going to die and choose one, he'll be Ike.