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With the airdodge and shield system and with Lucario's AS speed, I don't think you'll be keeping Ike at long range forever.
The person was talking about his powerful move, though, from what I can tell which all are very slow. His less powerful moves -- ftilt, dash attack, fair, nair, etc. -- don't really present an issue with the aura scenario.
Rolling behind Ike when he tries to jab is also a very poor idea...The Halloween Captain said:
Ike can punch my uncharged AS's all he wants. Sure, maybe he'll stop a good 90% of them, but that 10% that get by are free damage with no safety consequences. He's also forced to approach through them if he wants to attack, and Lucario's defensive game is better than his offensive game. Just seems to me that its putting Lucario in every good position he can get.
A good Ike won't be missing the timing that easily. I mean, his jab is only 4 frames, it's not THAT slow, and Ike can force an approach if he can stop all the spheres.
I was going more along the lines of 75:25 or even 80:20, but that sounds good also.
^^truth
Anyone could beat the CPU that easily. CPUs are nothing like human opponents.
I'd say the match is definitely in Lucario's favor, but Lucario is in no way a hard counter to Ike. An uphill battle certainly, so I'm more inclined to say 6-4.
Believe it or not, Ike isn't as terrible as everyone makes him out to believe (let's face it, when characters like Jigglypuff and Ganondorf consider a character their best match-up, you KNOW they've got a bad rep they don't deserve). A good Ike has an uphill battle, but is still capable of winning. The fact most of his attacks are slow doesn't mean much when he uses his 4 fast ones the majority of the time.
I have. >.>
I have played Ikes that are orders of magnitude better than the posters in this thread. Our opinions of good are very different. A good Lucario might lose to a good Ike once in ten matches.
Ganon isn't that bad? That's correct, he's terrible.
Didn't you say "we don't need to play good ike's to realize what an accurate match-up comparison is"? That's being pretty ridiculously closed-minded.
Watch sliq. 'Nuff said.
Didn't you say 'ike vs lucario is neutral'? That's being pretty ridiculously closed-minded.
What were their names? I'm sure they will be recognizable if they're good (seeing as how the Ike boards tend to worship the best Ikes...).
Ike isn't THAT bad. >.>
That's a tribute to his skill as a player more than anything (not unlike Gimpy being good with Boozer in Melee despite the Koopa King sucking pretty badly). It doesn't change that Ganondorf is statistically Ike's best matchup (Ike too slow? Ganny is even WORSE).
I suppose saying it was "probably a neutral match" might have been me just going a bit overboard. I don't particularly want to debate the number aspect of it, but I will bring Lucario up into the Ike Match-up Guide soon, so we'll just continue it there.
LMAO! Hilarious!
Ike isnt going to kill Lucario that early. He has no way to limit the options that Lucario has except off of the stage, and he really isnt too effective in that regard either. Having a projectile Lucario can easily control the momentum of the match more effectively than Ike. Furthermore because of his great air game, Lucario can kill Ike at far lower percents than Ike can do to Lucario by just gimping him. All you have to do is force him to come closer to the edges and then its just a battle of skill to get the other guy off the stage, if Ike ends up being the one tossed off this is very bad, if Lucario is the one to be sent flying he still has plenty of options for recovery.
So Lucario won't die at ~80% from an f-tilt or eruption?
A projectile Ike can cancel with his jab if not charged.
You guys go on and on about how easy Ike is to gimp... How do you gimp him, exactly? Keeping in mind no good Ike will attempt a Quick Draw when gimping is a threat, as they're going to get in close enough to aether in such a case.
I see Extremespeed or ES->Wall cling for Lucario's recovery while Ike has aether. I don't see how he has so many more reliable options.
Lucario's projectile won't work against a good Ike unless he charges it enough that the fist can't cancel it. Just because a character has a projectile doesn't mean they have an advantage over one that doesn't, otherwise Fox would have the advantage over Ike.
Agreed 100%.
You Ikes are worse than the Sonics. Your character is garbage and doesn't have any chance at all of beating a skillful Lucario. Stop trying to boost up how good everyone thinks your character is. We're seeking truth, not ******** bias.
Not you too......
My point isnt that Lucario cant die at low percentages to Ike, but rather that its not likely, because Ike has I would say three moves that can effectively kill Lucario (based moreso on the actual chance of it landing, so lets just say I dont count f-smash). He can use u-tilt, u-air, and b-air. The rest are much too easy to avoid to be truly effective killers. And I would say that u-tilt and u-air are pretty easy to avoid as well. Other killers I feel require too much setup to effectively land against a character like Lucario, who has little cooldown time on a multitude of effective attacks.
Explain yourself.
That said Lucario probably has enough options to be able to successfully approach Ike anyways.
