Ike Boards General/Q&A Thread

[Ussi]

Finally found the sig Bored's talking about and I have also watched the whole anime. It's not even that bad, calm down.

Oh no, girls in bikinis dancing.

its underage girls dancing in bikinis. Their 14 :|

 

[Senliten]

its underage girls dancing in bikinis. Their 14 :|

Their delicious *licks his lips and laughs his pain off*
@Bored: Just chill mang, nothing wrong with fictional lil girls in bikini's. Something would be wrong if they weren't however, but I'd question why that user would still be able to post moreso than eyerape the content.

 

[theeboredone]

Finally found the sig Bored's talking about and I have also watched the whole anime. It's not even that bad, calm down.

Oh no, girls in bikinis dancing.

I could care less if the anime isn't that bad, but the fact is, that dude took a particular scene that emphasizes underage girls and their ***, and decided to sig it.

Their delicious *licks his lips and laughs his pain off*
@Bored: Just chill mang, nothing wrong with fictional lil girls in bikini's. Something would be wrong if they weren't however, but I'd question why that user would still be able to post moreso than eyerape the content.

Really? Thats your defense? Because it's "fictional" we can shrug it off? The reason porn is not allowed on here is because we're afraid minors will see it. So what's to stop a minor from questioning the difference between a real underage girl's *** being shaken vs a cartoon?

Really, that's a double standard you're taking. Does this mean I can have a sig of someone's head getting cut off from an anime, and it's A-Okay, but if it were real life, it would be wrong? Is there a difference if no blood comes out, or even better...fairy dust?

To me, that sig falls under "inappropriate content" and "sexually explicit material." There's no way you can defend that and say that is NOT inappropriate content.

Seriously, one thing I hated about AiB was so many people would get away with posting sexually suggestive loli images or even grown woman suggestive anime images, but if it were a real person...NOPE!

@Ussi: Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. I suck at reading lips, so I had no idea what the hell Kobe was saying. I still find it funny it took them 6+ months to finally give me a warning. Maybe other mods didn't care as well.

 

[Berserker Swordsman]

That's sexually explicit? I think you're mixing up suggestive themes and sexually explicit material. They're dancing for a line of fashion products since they're teen models. I can understand if you personally think that's wrong, but there's nothing sexually explicit about it at all. That would be like saying Victoria's Secret models are porn stars because of their job.

 

[Senliten]

That's sexually explicit? I think you're mixing up suggestive themes and sexually explicit material. They're dancing for a line of fashion products since they're teen models. I can understand if you personally think that's wrong, but there's nothing sexually explicit about it at all. That would be like saying Victoria's Secret models are porn stars because of their job.

blast... ninja'd

 

[theeboredone]

That's sexually explicit? I think you're mixing up suggestive themes and sexually explicit material. They're dancing for a line of fashion products since they're teen models. I can understand if you personally think that's wrong, but there's nothing sexually explicit about it at all. That would be like saying Victoria's Secret models are porn stars because of their job.

Reddit was recently criticized for having a jail bait thread where people were posting underage girls in limited clothing. No nudity, but lawyers on various news sites said that can still be prosecuted under law for sexually explicit material/child pornography. So unless SWF sees "sexually explicit" and "inappropriate content" as two different things from US law, then what you're saying is a moot point. I've already stated I see no difference between anime and real life. A minor can take influence the same way from either one.

And that still doesn't bypass the rule of "inappropriate content." It's stupid how a sig of someone apparently lipping "****" is more inappropriate than some loli shaking her *** in a bikini. In fact, I don't see how a curse word being lipped is more inappropriate than ANY GIRL shaking her *** in a bikini.

 

[Teh Brettster]

Honestly I am wanting to make a petition to do away with INSTANT PERMA-bans.

I think Permabans should only be used for repeat offenders. I'm okay with an instant ban, but not an instant perma-ban. Something about it just... really gets to me.

 

[theeboredone]

I'll agree with that too. Even if a insta-ban lasts 2 months or so...I think it's a good enough lesson learned. I like the point system, but for serious offenses, an insta-ban for a long period of time works as well.

Too bad we don't have a mod on the Ike boards to talk to, who can take it up with the admins

 

[Ussi]

What if Denti isn't a first time offender? But I agree with the instant perma-ban thing.

Real or not, loli is a loli by US law and you can't have it legally. That's why loli mangas and animes don't get licensed.

In fact, a man got arrested for having loli images.

 

[Senliten]

What if Denti isn't a first time offender? But I agree with the instant perma-ban thing.

Real or not, loli is a loli by US law and you can't have it legally. That's why loli mangas and animes don't get licensed.

In fact, a man got arrested for having loli images.

Which I find absurd, everyone knows fiction is perfection.

As for the guy being arrested, dude ended up with a bad DA, i mean, they didn't even use statistics of how said manga proved effective to keep most people from actually committing an act on an actual child.

Lots of other variables prove that it could benefit moreso than turn people into such atrocities, but the religious nut jobs seem to be more loud with their mouths and have a way with throwing fake tears to the court and saying "think of the children".

Meh, gonna shutup here. Just make myself more sick if I keep going lol

 

[Ussi]

I'm just stating facts, I have no opinion on whether fictional images that represent pre-pubescent girls should be legal or not. Because honestly... if you can't draw a line between fiction and reality then there is something wrong with you already.

 

[theeboredone]

Which I find absurd, everyone knows fiction is perfection.

As for the guy being arrested, dude ended up with a bad DA, i mean, they didn't even use statistics of how said manga proved effective to keep most people from actually committing an act on an actual child.

Lots of other variables prove that it could benefit moreso than turn people into such atrocities, but the religious nut jobs seem to be more loud with their mouths and have a way with throwing fake tears to the court and saying "think of the children".

Meh, gonna shutup here. Just make myself more sick if I keep going lol

There is no where near enough research to make a 100% accurate statement that loli porn or whatever that dude got charged with reduces pedophilia. Every situation has to be treated unique. Just because violent video games don't cause violent behavior does not mean it can be the same for child pornography = to actual pedophilia.

The best we have for now are case studies, but there are generally so many other variables that they can easily be dissolved in an argument. That's a big reason why violent video games never get equated to violent behavior.

 

[jamlosingthegame]

Is it the whole sig or the *** shaking specifically that Bored doesn't like? Just curious. I would consider just the *** shaking as sexual/suggestive images.

 

[Blubolouis]

Guys, help with the peach MU?

 

[Ussi]

Counterpick RC

 

[san.]

Peach? Spam bair and other aerials.

 

[Ussi]

Translation: use well placed aerials constantly, mainly bair

 

[Zatchiel]

Peach's airdodge is pretty abysmal, take advantage of this for landing KO moves. I spam Nair and Bair a load, jabs when I can, grabs when the situation presents itself.
Peach's Dair, the end. All of her aerials have their uses, but Dair is pretty convinient. The slaps also aren't something to take lightly. Turnips can be dealt with effeciently, and provide use for you if you play your cards right. Worst case scenario is you getting gimped by one.

 

[Berserker Swordsman]

Reddit was recently criticized for having a jail bait thread where people were posting underage girls in limited clothing. No nudity, but lawyers on various news sites said that can still be prosecuted under law for sexually explicit material/child pornography. So unless SWF sees "sexually explicit" and "inappropriate content" as two different things from US law, then what you're saying is a moot point. I've already stated I see no difference between anime and real life. A minor can take influence the same way from either one.

And that still doesn't bypass the rule of "inappropriate content." It's stupid how a sig of someone apparently lipping "****" is more inappropriate than some loli shaking her *** in a bikini. In fact, I don't see how a curse word being lipped is more inappropriate than ANY GIRL shaking her *** in a bikini.

I'm not gonna get into societal laws because if you disagree with them, you might as well just live elsewhere. I also don't know what the nature of those pictures were, as something like a loli about to pull down her underwear while looking back at you with puppy eyes is a completely different context than the sig. Taking this at face value for what it is, they are girls doing their job that they get paid for. You can interpret it whatever way you want, and take it with your own perceived context since you haven't seen the anime, but that's the cold, hard fact. It's not like they're posing for a dirty magazine or whatever. They aren't even wearing bikinis that expose more than any other ones would, as if they were ripped or being worn loosely.

I've always thought of "inappropriate content" as a touchy subject that has no objective line to be drawn for it, but if something like that sig should get modded, that's overreacting to 15 frames of animation to me. There's no emphasis within the entire animation on their backsides, so no one should have to think that they should be focused on that part of the sig.

 

[theeboredone]

Is it the whole sig or the *** shaking specifically that Bored doesn't like? Just curious. I would consider just the *** shaking as sexual/suggestive images.

Just the last bit when they zoom in on the ***.

I'm not gonna get into societal laws because if you disagree with them, you might as well just live elsewhere. I also don't know what the nature of those pictures were, as something like a loli about to pull down her underwear while looking back at you with puppy eyes is a completely different context than the sig.

So wait...a loli about to pull down her underwear constitutes to you as inappropriate, but zooming on some lolis shaking their ***, one in particular wearing a bikini is fine? Okay.

 

[Ussi]

Lolis dancing in bikinis is one thing...

ZOOMED IN on the *** is another :\

 

[theeboredone]

I just emphasized the one in bikini, because she obviously has more "skin" vs the others.

 

[Berserker Swordsman]

You missed the part about context.

 

[theeboredone]

No, I didn't. Like I said, the fact they had to zoom up on their ***** is more than enough "context" for me to know what the intent was.

 

[Ussi]

BS, context of that anime is about loli incest :\ at least that's the running theme. Granted it doesn't happen, but that's what the story revolves around.

 

[Mr. Doom]

GP, are you up for some more salt today after 12PM my time? That would be 6PM your time.

 

[Teh Brettster]

Peach MU-- hold shield until she stops. Get a REALLY good feel for this. Now. Never let up your shield earlier than this.

 

[Ussi]

Don't forget to tilt your shield up

 

[Blubolouis]

She -they- never stop x_x I have to roll away in the end.

How do I deal with float cancel fair? I use bair a lot, our fair easily outrange it, but they have to be retreating. And in the end I end up being cornered near the edge, except in this match-up I feel there's no easy way to regain stage control.

I'm just bad at the m-u, I'll ask for a critique against another peach player real soon. Hopefully someone else than Nys (RIP for now D will critique it.

 

[Ussi]

fair takes 18 frames to come out, learn the animation for it :\ its basically like hitting someone with our fair but a shorter range and it has an advantage on block :s

 

[Mr. Doom]

That's not what prack-sis said (when I was still in the BBR). Apparently Peach still has frame advantage, though no one has ever been able to jab me. And his response was that the players weren't auto-canceling the f-airs correctly. Perhaps your math is wrong, buddy, or perhaps every peach player sucks. Take your pick.

Also, they think they have the advantage in the match-up. I had fun times arguing against that case. >_>

 

[Ussi]

Peach's toad can be ledge teched and you can punish with aether, for you pros.

I dunno, i've had Peachs fair > jab me and I just punished after the jab. Its like doing a FF fair with Ike and having him land with his longest range hitbox out. All i know is their fair has the quickest landing lag of all their aerials. Scratch that, think of nair and having less landing lag the sooner you land from hitting with it.

 

[Berserker Swordsman]

Dunno how much you can take away from this vid, but this is my match against SSRenan at /hope 3 over the summer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJLwvMETjgg

 

[Teh Brettster]

I dunno, i've had Peachs fair > jab me and I just punished after the jab.

This. Just keep the shield up until they jab. Only keep in mind that if they jab your shield, they may try to grab instead of doing jab2. In which case, you just jab earlier. Or spot dodge, but I don't like spot dodging against Peach in general.

 

[Ussi]

Just don't spot dodge the fair, that's one of the dumbest things to do in the MU. In fact, never spot dodge an aerial.

 

[theeboredone]

I mean, I feel like Peach's only kill move vs Ike is f-air and up-tilt/up-smash at higher percents? Of course, if she plucks a bomb, that's another situation.

 

[Ussi]

Peach always pulls a stitch face on me :\ I'm so unlucky

 

[Heartstring]

i have no idea how i rate the ike peach matchup. because its so dependent on playstyle. id probably go with 50-50. possible 55-45 to them, but mostly 50/50

 

[Ussi]

Ussi 2,272
theeboredone 1,678
Golden-psyco 1,000
san. 860
Teh Brettster 821
Berserker Swordsman 775
jamlosingthegame 615
Nysyarc 606
Senliten 554


congrats GP, welcome to the 1k club

 

[Heartstring]

awesome

this kinda outlines that i havent had a life for a good part of the past 4 months :L