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I miss Melee...

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Stuhddabahkz

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furyberserk said:
The only way for people who dislike brawl and quit to continue playing melee would be to have both melee and brawl tourneys. I don't mind either one, but melee was and still is better until peopl forget about it...which will likely be about a few years. I still have melee, but just to keep it as a reminder of the past...I guess.
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Why, exactly, do we have to quit Melee?
 
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Excellent trivia!

Can someone clue me in on what the longest one-syllable word is? I can't think of anything longer than "thoughts."
 
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The King said:
Man, it's a good thing that so many people are actually giving Brawl a chance to grow and evolve.

And by giving it a chance, I mean: actually learning and studying the game, how to improve the speed, mobility, execution and combos their respective characters, and how to punish different offensive/defensive playstyles. Sadly, instead everyone has been "playing to win" from day 1 ( and with the only tactic people instinctually know how to use from the beginning when they suck at a game --- camping, in fear and timidity, as far away from their opponent as possible) without spending any time at all analyzing brawl and working on their game.

Also, I don't know where the hell are these random absolute generalities are coming from:
"Combos don't exist"
"Edgeguards are impossible"
"It's nothing but campy hit & run tactics everywhere"
"There's zero depth to this game"
"Gimp kills are a thing of the past"
"This game requires no spacing, mindgames or skill to succeed at it"

But they're ****ing everywhere right now. And whether you're the person saying them or just agreeing with them in stride...well, as far as trying to learn a brand new game, way to just give in, keel over and ****ing die. I don't know what scrubtacular game the rest of you are limiting yourselves to, but the people I play with see and experience Brawl in a completely different light than all this. It just "might" have something to do with us collaborating with each other, and experimenting with all the different aspects of this game.

Melee is a better game than Brawl? I don't know which avenue of logic i should probe first to find out how anyone has come to this conclusion after only 2 god**** months.

Is it because people are angry that not every single solitary tactic survived the transition between melee and brawl? Last I checked, a lot of SSB's physics engine didn't survive the switch either. That's because it iddn't NEED to for the next game to be competitive. So many people I've seen are trying to keep the same pace and flow of movement & attack that they utilized in melee, to be successful in Brawl. It just isn't going to happen; you need to adapt your pace slightly to compensate for the new physics, and realize that huge combos are still possible - they just require different transitions now, and aren't quite so automatic as in Melee. And as far as gimp kills go... I don't see how being able to remove entire stocks with just a few button inputs because your opponent literally had no other option of escape available to him, or being able to mindlessly destroy an opponent's recovery simply by pressing L/R and utilizing over a full SECOND of invincibility frames to hold a ledge while you aren't even on it anymore, qualifies as positive qualities for a game.

I'll also repeat the statement said by many, and fallen on so many more deaf ears, that this game has been out for 2 MONTHS. Most of which have been spent with players doing nothing to advance the metagame more than just camping one side of a stage. Melee has been out for what? 7 (SEVEN) YEARS. About 88 MONTHS now. It's just unbelievable that anybody would hold a grudge against Brawl for not appearing as deep as Melee. If anyone is reading this who actually doesn't suck balls at Melee, do you remember what it took to be amazing at melee, or what it took for the game to evolve as amazing as it did? It took an entire community dedicated to dissecting every minute aspect of the game YEARS to get Melee to its pinnacle.

From all I've seen, Brawl has every bit as much potential as Melee to be a terrific competitive game. This game has the combos, the speed, the pressure game, and the evasive maneuverability options to make it one hell of a show. But it isn't going to get there any time soon if people either don't try to study this game and learn how to play it effectively. It also isn't going to get there if people just ****ing give up on it because they're garbage at it when they've only had it a month, and wait to play it until the rest of the Brawl community puts forth the time and effort into evolving this game into something extraordinary. With a mindset like that, SSBM would still be nothing more than just another Mario Party game.

King Out
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^ This. 100% this.
 
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I've only recently had the ability to go to tournaments in the area, one melee and one brawl, so I probably dont have much say. But even though I was getting totally owned at UCLA 5 I had way more fun there then at the brawl tournament.
I think the thing was even when I lost bad at melee there, it just made me practice more to get better. I thought maybe if brawl moved on it could fill this new liking for tournaments but the level of fun I had at the brawl tournament was nowhere near as good.
 
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King's post is basically one long essay telling us Brawl is not Melee 2.0. It's also pointless to argue with it, because once King makes his post, apparently he just leaves forever.
 
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lol i think i finally know why i nor mango have liked brawl all that much........................there's no D.B.R combo vids >_>
 
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I played melee again after awhile. Hard to argue that it isn't a great game, and I think Im gonna start playing it again with probably a different character. But for me, pika has always been my main, and pikachu is a better character in brawl then in melee. And I don't just mean he matches up better against other characters, I mean he is better than melee giving and taking all mechanics. Chain grabs, more combos (thank you fair and uair), a different (possibly better) style of edguarding, etc. The QAC alone makes him a faster and deeper character then he was in melee, and he wasnt exactly slow in melee to begin with. I guess the change in the general mechanics of brawl is to much to compensate for with certain character specific improvements in depth (if any for some) or whatever, but that's not the case with Pikachu. Even camping isnt a problem for pikachu thanks (to God) to the QAC.
 
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wow kings post makes me sad =/


Ok since this game **** sucks BALLS AT THE MOMENT

Ill just do what i did in melee

wait till everything is discovered ( which i doubt )

Pick kings character

and just play gayer then him

C U GUYS IN 5 YEars

<3
 
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Dude look at this crazy exploit they just discovered. This is going to be game breaking; I seriously can't believe no one has ever thought of it before.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU

p.s. I am actually considering doing what Mango did. Just wait it out and come do **** when the metagame is discovered. Oh wait, it already has! (just kidding. Not entirely though.)
 
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xyouxarexuglyx2 said:
Dude look at this crazy exploit they just discovered. This is going to be game breaking; I seriously can't believe no one has ever thought of it before.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7[b]ZuuiU[/b]

p.s. I am actually considering doing what Mango did. Just wait it out and come do **** when the metagame is discovered. Oh wait, it already has! (just kidding. Not entirely though.)
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Remember that URL folks.
 
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You know.. there's more than one Rickroll video on YouTube. That one's probably the most used though.. I like it because the account name is YouGotRickRolled.
 
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I'm going to wait until the metagame of Brawl evolves as well (if it actually does), then jump back in.

So, see you guys until then.
 
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I need a BS combo video. that shows some 14 year old kid doing the same combo on like 4 different characters over the span of two good songs. Also it needs to be made by masterwumpus whoever that is.
 
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Mikes right, Melee was more fun! It was like a challenge that could be taken down, I felt like I could prove to the world link didnt suck!
 
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Well hello guys. Commenting on Mike HAZE's intial argument (seems like the last few pages just went off topic :p)

Hey, at least you had your fun with Melee. I.... missed out on all of it. Don't get me wrong, I started playing Melee as soon as it came out for the GC. I just didn't know about any ATs for the first three-four years because, well I just played it with a close group of friends. But man we played the game every single weekend like a religion. Great fun. However my friends started moving on to new games and I was forced to follow.

A few years went by without any Melee action. I go to college (UCSD woop de doo). Started watching those Ken and PC vids and realize "ZOMFG what are these cool things that these people are doing?" I drag out a very old GC and start playing with a friend of mine. Plays casually and masters the wave dash. "Wow this opens a huge window on a lot more things to do. Now what is this SHFFL that everyone is talking about?" And I was hooked, like no other. Every weekend. Friend's apartment. Great matches till the wee hours of the morning.

"Hey I'm getting somewhat decent (as much of a no tourney exp noob would get). What? Smashboards? Tournies? whoa!"
Then Brawl comes out a few weeks later... and I was **cked over. And I still lament over this.

People say Brawl should be given time. But why would I go back to a game where the initial impression was so bad? I loved Melee from the very moment I started playing it (without the ATs) and I loved it even more after the ATs. What Brawl supporters are saying is that you should date some girl you really don't like hoping to find something good about her. Just because some ATs get discovered in Brawl won't change the fact that it's slower, has a lot less combos (f'in hitstun I swear), and auto sweet spotting.

So yeah um ignore the starving kids in Africa. Help a noob out. Tell me how to navigate this sea of tourny threads to find me a Melee tourney (gawd I'm such a forum noob). Or better yet, I would enjoy friendlies. Anyone from the San Diego or Torrance area?
 
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